Crippled GSM Radio in US CDMA TP2's - Touch Pro2 CDMA

Something is breaking the GSM Radio in US CDMA TP2's from being used with US GSM operators. Trying both a ATT and TMo SIM in a Sprint TP2 fails - network search shows no networks available.
Closer inspection shows that while the devices are SIM unlocked, they Ignore/Reject any networks with US MCC's.
Attempting to show networks with MCC 310 and 311 failed, while 334 and 666 showed up just fine.
Running the fieldTest utility (not to be confused with fieldTrial) shows the GSM radio a-flutter with activity, finding and listing UMTS and GSM networks stateside.
I've poured over the registry and nothing sticks out as the culprit for this behavior; I fear that certain MCC's are locked out of the baseband - but I'm not sure how one would go about examining such configurations and removing such limitations.
Thoughts?

Forgive my naivety, but will this benefit people like me who are VZW subscribers? Is there GSM speeds that CDMA can't reach in certain areas, which unlocking the other radios would allow us to automatically latch onto?
I'm just wondering if this discussion is geared more towards those trying to unlock to move to ATT, or if it can benefit us all equally.

fronc said:
Forgive my naivety, but will this benefit people like me who are VZW subscribers? Is there GSM speeds that CDMA can't reach in certain areas, which unlocking the other radios would allow us to automatically latch onto?
I'm just wondering if this discussion is geared more towards those trying to unlock to move to ATT, or if it can benefit us all equally.
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I have accounts with Sprint, Verizon, and ATT. If I can pop in my ATT SIM in my Sprint TP2, and switch service at will (depending on coverage or preference), it would be most excellent.

Maybe I don't get it, but isn't this known? I thought the GSM radios were locked out in the U.S.? It has something to do with FCC compliance?

I believe US GSM frequencies are locked out via software and hardware, either by request of the CDMA carriers and/or the FCC's requirements.

jasonjoo said:
I believe US GSM frequencies are locked out via software and hardware, either by request of the CDMA carriers and/or the FCC's requirements.
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It's an FCC thing, they have not authorized the GSM radio in it for use in the United States, even though it can do 850/1900 GSM. I'm afraid the GSM in these things is strictly for traveling outside the USA. It will show the GSM networks here, as you have found out, but the networks here will not allow it to use them, so no amount of hacks will make it work.

californiarailroader said:
It's an FCC thing, they have not authorized the GSM radio in it for use in the United States, even though it can do 850/1900 GSM. I'm afraid the GSM in these things is strictly for traveling outside the USA. It will show the GSM networks here, as you have found out, but the networks here will not allow it to use them, so no amount of hacks will make it work.
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Are you sure about it being an "FCC thing"?
There have been a few reports of people getting an unlock code, and getting their hybrid TP2 to work domestically...sans 3G connectivity, apparently.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=555067
The cheapest I've found for an unlock code for the TP2 is $20 from here:
http://www.uniquephones.com/
but I don't know what their success rate is like; some companies charge as much as $35 for one.

That's a Canadian version though, I'm sure the models sold there are not subject to US FCC Laws.
Edit-I found this- http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/05/20/htc-passes-cdma-gsm-hybrid-touch-pro2-through-the-fcc/

californiarailroader said:
That's a Canadian version though, I'm sure the models sold there are not subject to US FCC Laws.
Edit-I found this- http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/05/20/htc-passes-cdma-gsm-hybrid-touch-pro2-through-the-fcc/
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Hmm... SIM lock and firmware lock--both "modifiable". I have hope.

I give it a month max till there is a workaround.

californiarailroader said:
That's a Canadian version though, I'm sure the models sold there are not subject to US FCC Laws.
Edit-I found this- http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/05/20/htc-passes-cdma-gsm-hybrid-touch-pro2-through-the-fcc/
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The Verizon version if you get the unlock code, it will work in the US GSM.

Gsm not enabled
Hi does anyone know if there is a work around for this it sounds like a firmware thing and not a hardware limitation also I have installed 6.5 on my GSM TP2 is there an SPL for the cdma version yet sorry to post here on this however im trying to get to the bottom of this
Thanks in advance for any help

I got my Verizon TP2 unlocked (just emailed support and they mailed back the unlock code). Popped in my Orange (UK) SIM, told the phone to use GSM only and was able to TXT/call from it and receive calls/TXT just fine via my UK number. (I'm physically in the US).
So it's not a lock so much on registering with US networks... but it may be a lock on US GSM SIM cards so you can't go toss in your TMobile (US) SIM and dump VZ service.
--Chris

christr said:
I got my Verizon TP2 unlocked (just emailed support and they mailed back the unlock code). Popped in my Orange (UK) SIM, told the phone to use GSM only and was able to TXT/call from it and receive calls/TXT just fine via my UK number. (I'm physically in the US).
So it's not a lock so much on registering with US networks... but it may be a lock on US GSM SIM cards so you can't go toss in your TMobile (US) SIM and dump VZ service.
--Chris
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This is great news! I like to unlock any GSM enabled phone I get for Verizon, just in case I ever decide to leave - so I can take my phone with me
I'll be unlocking mine tomorrow when I get it, if they'll allow it. I've been a customer for over a year, and they allowed it on the Storm and Tour, so this shouldn't be a problem.

I've been with them for several years and as far as I know as long as you're current on your bill they'll give you the unlock code. I had mine for 2 whole days and they gave it to me.
--chris

.mak said:
This is great news! I like to unlock any GSM enabled phone I get for Verizon, just in case I ever decide to leave - so I can take my phone with me
I'll be unlocking mine tomorrow when I get it, if they'll allow it. I've been a customer for over a year, and they allowed it on the Storm and Tour, so this shouldn't be a problem.
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Well thats good news I will see if Sprint allows me to do the same as I have accounts with AT&T and TMO also I would really like to use this on my ATT plan but it appears from reading the previous posts that perhaps US based sims are locked out I will attempt to unlock it tommorow nonetheless and see what happens on the other hand my VZW Storm worked like a charm after getting it unlocked ........... for some reason this seems different though if the FCC notice is read at face value Anyone having any experience with this giving feedback would be much appreciated

christr said:
I've been with them for several years and as far as I know as long as you're current on your bill they'll give you the unlock code. I had mine for 2 whole days and they gave it to me.
--chris
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Are you with VZW OR Sprint

dooglesmail said:
Are you with VZW OR Sprint
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Yes are we talking VZW or Sprint?
I have had my phone two days on VZW. The CSR first said I have to wait 60 days, then checked with T2 and came back and said it is not available. I am sure he doesn't know what I was talking about. I will call again and then a third and if that doesn't work I will just email support as mentioned above. I need an unlock code before November as I will be on the road again overseas and I don't want to pay crazy International VZW rates!

californiarailroader said:
It's an FCC thing, they have not authorized the GSM radio in it for use in the United States, even though it can do 850/1900 GSM. I'm afraid the GSM in these things is strictly for traveling outside the USA. It will show the GSM networks here, as you have found out, but the networks here will not allow it to use them, so no amount of hacks will make it work.
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mmmmmmmm. do i have a fellow railroader on this site besides me??????

unorthodoxx said:
Yes are we talking VZW or Sprint?
I have had my phone two days on VZW. The CSR first said I have to wait 60 days, then checked with T2 and came back and said it is not available. I am sure he doesn't know what I was talking about. I will call again and then a third and if that doesn't work I will just email support as mentioned above. I need an unlock code before November as I will be on the road again overseas and I don't want to pay crazy International VZW rates!
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Hmmm VZW Global support was not given the instructions to SIM unlock this TP2 from HTC. Sounds strange to me, has anyone had any luck getting it unlocked in order to use and overseas SIM while overseas instead of the VZW SIM with access to high rates?
I will contact HTC.

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Verizon

So are all verizon Rhodium phones CDMA with GSM only when out of country?
Which meaning at the moment have no HARD-spl and are able to flash?
I've added some custom apps to my phone which is from verizon and is not flashed. So i was just curious.
Thanks,
Alfredo
SlashX1896 said:
So are all verizon Rhodium phones CDMA with GSM only when out of country?
Which meaning at the moment have no HARD-spl and are able to flash?
I've added some custom apps to my phone which is from verizon and is not flashed. So i was just curious.
Thanks,
Alfredo
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If you call Verizon (and have their service for awhile, in good standing) they will guide you to unlocking the SIM slot 'for use outside of the country'. Once unlocked, it will work with TMobile, AT&T and any other GSM provider in the US that doesn't do IMEI checking, or that allow the TP2 on their network, in which IMEI checking wouldn't be a problem.
Anyways, get the unlock code for your device (specific to your device) from Verizon, scroll to SETTINGS on the homescreen, click ALL SETTINGS, click PERSONAL, click SECURITY and enter the unlock code they gave you and your phone will SIM unlock itself.
As for Hard-SPL, I haven't seen anything about it yet.. but I haven't been searching, since the phone already does what I'd like it to with simple cab installs.
I hope this helps!
-mak
Yeah ive had verizon for a good amount of years now. So i might give that a try. and yeah. I agree about hard SPL.
Are there any other advantages to unlocking the sim card other then being able to change services?
I am still new with all this, and unaware the advantages of unlocking the SIM card.
Curious for In Country and Out of country.
Like what are benefits of it while still in the states?
and what are the benefits if i go to canada? does this mean i don't have to pay extra for the plan while in canada to make phonecalls/texts/data?
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Anyways, get the unlock code for your device (specific to your device) from Verizon, scroll to SETTINGS on the homescreen, click ALL SETTINGS, click PERSONAL, click SECURITY and enter the unlock code they gave you and your phone will SIM unlock itself.
-mak
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I believe you may be incorrect on that, check this out, I have yet to verify this my self but from what I have read here and other places the GSM will be unlocked for use overseas. This way you can use another country's SIM card instead of Verizon's SIM (expensive rates) while overseas for an extended period of time.
There are now several threads in several forums about this.
What people often leave out when they talk about what their phone can do is what carrier they have it on.
With Verizon, when you SIM Unlock the phone you can toss in any SIM and it'll work. I personally have a UK SIM and works fine in the US on my Verizon TP2 unlocked. Others have reported using TMobile (US) or AT&T (US) SIM's just fine in their Verizon TP2's after unlocking.
Sprint TP2's come unlocked but will NOT register at all on US carriers (even with a foreign SIM).
--Chris
Oh so i have to somehow get a hold of another sim card?
nowwww i get it.
so unless i plan on actually going out of country there really is no point in unlocking my phone.
SlashX1896 said:
Oh so i have to somehow get a hold of another sim card?
nowwww i get it.
so unless i plan on actually going out of country there really is no point in unlocking my phone.
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I unlocked mine, just in case I ever decide to leave Verizon to go to Tmobile or AT&T (yeah, right lol).. or for when I upgrade, it makes it more universal when it comes time to sell it.
It costs you nothing if you're a Verizon customer in good standing, I'd unlock it just in case
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Yeah good point. I was more curious on flashing purposes, but TBH i have no use to flash it. Though once the markeplace comes out, im assuming its going to be like the iphones appstore? and hoping in time we find ways to "jailbreak" or something to get them free, thats always fun lol.
Now i do travel to canada a lot. But unlocking it has no use unless i actually pay for the plan and a sim card? I know verizon offers a plan for it, but i dont got that much to where il pay extra for the plan was just curious.
SlashX1896 said:
Now i do travel to canada a lot. But unlocking it has no use unless i actually pay for the plan and a sim card? I know verizon offers a plan for it, but i dont got that much to where il pay extra for the plan was just curious.
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some folks over at PPCGeeks pointed out that in some situations, it might be cheaper to just buy a prepaid sim card when traveling abroad, as the prepaid cards could prove to be a cheaper alternative to verizon's international roaming rates through verizon's sim card, included with the Rhodium.
Alright, thanks i'll look into that.
the problem with going to canada is the sim card has nothing to do with their network. it is still CDMA in canada and while you may have an unlocked phone and different sim card, verizons network will still pick up your phone and charge you accordingly.
gt3dan said:
the problem with going to canada is the sim card has nothing to do with their network. it is still CDMA in canada and while you may have an unlocked phone and different sim card, verizons network will still pick up your phone and charge you accordingly.
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If you have an unlocked phone and a different SIM card in, if you set it to GSM mode Verizon won't/can't charge you for using it in Canada.
Hope thatyour right iamrobk, elsewise im confused.

[Q] Using the Inspire 4G overseas after SIM/IMEI unlock.

Hope you guys can help me.
I will like to buy the Inspire 4G thru amazon and plan to use it in Costa Rica, where we use the same 2G and 3G bands as AT&T (850). Nevertheless I’m not sure if after the SIM/IMEI unlock, it will work with a Costa Rican SIM card? It is very common for us to buy unlocked At&t or T-Mobile phones and use them in Costa Rica.. but I have my concerns.
Last December I bought a Prepaid AT&T Phone (Samsung A107) on a trip to the US, but after doing a SIM/IMEI unlock, the Prepaid phone didn’t recognized my Costa Rican SIM card. And even before that, while still been in the US, I was not even able to use the AT&T SIM card on my unlocked Touch Pro2 (EUR version).
My worst fear is that AT&T is doing some sort of “Hard Sim Lock” to their phones.. and I will kill myself for buying an expensive paperweight.
Your thoughts and comments will be highly appreciated.
Hi, I can't 100% answer your question but I do know why your SIM cards weren't interchangeable. We lock all PUK codes on all prepaid SIM cards to where you can only use that SIM on that phone. If you would've gotten a "regular" SIM you could've used it on another carriers phone. As to why the non AT&T SIM didn't work maybe they scammed you and it never got unlocked.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App
Using Inspire 4G in Costa Rica.
Thanks for your explanation. So basically and after reading other posts regarding unlocking this phone, the Inspire 4G should work overseas without any inconveniences, after inserting the SIM/IMEI unlock code that you buy from any “respected” and “trusted” site (and as long as the 3G Band is 850) ?
I was going to buy the unlocked Desire HD (Eur Version), but regretfully it wouldn’t work with any Latam 3G Band (as it happened with my Touch Pro2, that only works with 3G band 2100+900).
I got an Inspire 4G on Monday, unlocked it, and my existing SIM card from another country (also in latam) worked right away. Been using it since then both in the US and back home.
So unless there is some lock on the SIM card itself, it should work fine, I think.
That’s the answer I was looking for!! You made my day. To be honest, I want to change from Winmo to Android so badly… that this phone seems to be the right deal.
Quick question just before going to amazon and start my order: Which system did you used to get the Unlock code? I have read in other forums, that some folks have been using htcimeiunlock with excellent results (I’m not related to that company by the way). I just like to hear a second opinion.
And once again..Thank you so much for your assistance!!
Got my phone unlocked
Hey
I'm from Venezuela, and I unlocked my HTC Inspire 4G from AT&T at unlockusa.com. I chose them because they're top-rated sellers at eBay and seemed trustworthy. I got my unlock code within 5 minutes, and everything worked as expected.
Hope you enjoy your new phone!
Yes, I used htcimeiunlock.com. Got my unlock code in a few minutes with no problems whatsoever.
maestroburbuja said:
Hey
I'm from Venezuela, and I unlocked my HTC Inspire 4G from AT&T at unlockusa.com. I chose them because they're top-rated sellers at eBay and seemed trustworthy. I got my unlock code within 5 minutes, and everything worked as expected.
Hope you enjoy your new phone!
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trestrepo said:
Yes, I used htcimeiunlock.com. Got my unlock code in a few minutes with no problems whatsoever.
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Hmm 2 new members and advertising new site?
The AT&T Inspire only has North American UMTS radios 850 and 1900 Mhz. It lacks the 2100 radio necessary for 3 and 4G in Europe.
The phone will work on Europe's 2G Edge network. HTC should have put the 2100 Mhz radio in the Inspire but they didn't. This is the real gripe I have with this phone.
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA App
Doesn't the desire hd cover the european market with 2100? I suppose if you are traveling it is an issue but otherwise I see no reason for att to be adding something to this phone that already exists in one of its twins. Also it is not marketed as a "world" phone by at&t either.
Whats the key code / combination on the inspire to check the status of the sim?
I may be new on the forums, but I've been lurking for a while. Heck, I learned about that site from here, and the various threads on the forum on unlocking/rooting were one of the things I kept in mind when deciding to buy the phone.
geogkdam asked if the site worked; all I'm saying is it worked for *me*. I claim no guarantees it would work for anyone else, and frankly, I don't care much either; I'm just happy I was able to unlock the phone I bought on Monday withing a few minutes.
newter55 said:
Doesn't the desire hd cover the european market with 2100? I suppose if you are traveling it is an issue but otherwise I see no reason for att to be adding something to this phone that already exists in one of its twins. Also it is not marketed as a "world" phone by at&t either.
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It'll work on EDGE in Europe, which sucks for data, but at 20 bucks a megabyte while roaming, why would you want to?
I'll be taking my Inspire to London and Paris in a couple months and since I need to be reachable on my own number, I will suck it up and roam, but data will be off, so I couldn't give a crap about whether or not it's EDGE or 3G. It'll just be voice and text, and not much of that. I have an AT&T Nexus One with the 2100 band that I'll be bringing along too, I'll grab a local SIM and use that for data. I'll just have personal hotspot turned on and connect my Inspire to it.
try cellunlocker.net they unlocked it for me
yg17 said:
It'll work on EDGE in Europe, which sucks for data, but at 20 bucks a megabyte while roaming, why would you want to?
I'll be taking my Inspire to London and Paris in a couple months and since I need to be reachable on my own number, I will suck it up and roam, but data will be off, so I couldn't give a crap about whether or not it's EDGE or 3G. It'll just be voice and text, and not much of that. I have an AT&T Nexus One with the 2100 band that I'll be bringing along too, I'll grab a local SIM and use that for data. I'll just have personal hotspot turned on and connect my Inspire to it.
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AT&T also offers packages which would reduce your voice, data and text costs. Have you looked into them? Here's a link
I can't provide a link since I don't have the min. number of posts required to post here but Google "AT&T World" and you'll get the necessary info. The texting deal is a good deal if you plan to text between 20 and 50 texts. If less than 20 just go with the standard .50/text sent from Europe. If between 20&50 opt for the $10 one time charge (which drops your per text rate to .20/text).
I would also assume that free Wi-FI hotspots are plentiful around Europe??? Does anyone have first-hand experience with that?

Can Verizon give me an unlock code for this phone even if I am not a customer?

I was wondering if Verizon would give me an unlock code even if im not a customer because I was thinking of buying a DROID 2 global off of craigslist to use overseas also how well would it work for regular use on gsm??
Let me quote:
The following qualifications must be met for the SIM (Subscriber Identity Module) to be unlocked:
Must be a Verizon Wireless customer.
• The device being unlocked must be active on a Verizon Wireless line of service.
• The line of service must be active at least 60 days.
• The line of service must be in good standing for the past 60 days.
• Only one SIM Unlock per line every 10 months.
• The customer's manufacturer's device warranty is not affected by a SIM unlock as long as the customer remains with Verizon Wireless.
— AntonioC_VZWSupport
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If you're looking to use the phone on GSM I wouldn't recommend buying a D2G that isn't previously unlocked. Unlocking these phones is mostly a matter of luck apparently.
I bought one and got the code straight from Verizon and it still didn't work. I ended up buying it to a friend that was moving to the states and then I got another one on eBay that was already unlocked.
basil.elsh said:
I was wondering if Verizon would give me an unlock code even if im not a customer because I was thinking of buying a DROID 2 global off of craigslist to use overseas also how well would it work for regular use on gsm??
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Simple answer - they can, but they will not. Personal advice: avoid Droid 2 Global if you plan to use it on UMTS networks (GSM(2G) is fine). CDMA is also fine (if you use carrier with compatible CDMA network)
Thanks for all the help guys!! Also i wasn't sure if this one had a clean esn which would have been a problem if it didn't, anyways thanks for all the help
leobg said:
Simple answer - they can, but they will not. Personal advice: avoid Droid 2 Global if you plan to use it on UMTS networks (GSM(2G) is fine).
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What's wrong with UMTS?
I'm using it on a UMTS/HSPA network since June. No issues at all.
I heard the umts performance differs based on which country you are using the phone in
Yep, GY in Japan and another member here on Telstra in Australia report great experience. Others like me in Canada (on pretty. Much all Canadian operators), members from Europe, Central and South America are having issues with 3G.
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I use it in both Japan and Russia by the way (I'm an interpreter for the MOFA, so...), no issues in either country.

[Q] Any chance of activating this phone?

I live in Ontario, Canada and just bought a $30 Sprint CDMA HTC Evo3d from across the border(Buffalo NY) that works perfectly.
Since Rogers acquired Sprint Canada in 2005, I asked on Rogers forum if Rogers can activate this phone for use and they said no as Rogers only bought Sprint "home phone and long distance"...So I guess sprint wireless never even existed in Canada.
Is there any way of activating this phone in Canada with any other carrier, if it is unlocked perhaps? I already got it to s-off...
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Also, I found this list of Sprint international carriers so maybe one of those companies(Canada) I can sign on with, or are these just for roaming coverage??
http://www.sprint.com/popups/pop-gprsCarriers.html#c
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I live in Ontario, Canada and just bought a $30 Sprint CDMA HTC Evo3d from across the border(Buffalo NY) that works perfectly.
Since Rogers acquired Sprint Canada in 2005, I asked on Rogers forum if Rogers can activate this phone for use and they said no as Rogers only bought Sprint "home phone and long distance"...So I guess sprint wireless never even existed in Canada.
Is there any way of activating this phone in Canada with any other carrier, if it is unlocked perhaps? I already got it to s-off...
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Also, I found this list of Sprint international carriers so maybe one of those companies(Canada) I can sign on with, or are these just for roaming coverage??
http://www.sprint.com/popups/pop-gprsCarriers.html#c
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Rogers is GSM right? i dont think it would work since you said its a CDMA device.
Trozzul said:
Rogers is GSM right? i dont think it would work since you said its a CDMA device.
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I spoke with Bell support, they said Sprint can give you a code to unlock it over the phone so it can be used on a different CDMA carrier(such as bell)
otto325 said:
I spoke with Bell support, they said Sprint can give you a code to unlock it over the phone so it can be used on a different carrier
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thats true you could ask them, though be careful what you say, don't just say hey i want to use this on a different carrier.
Trozzul said:
thats true you could ask them, though be careful what you say, don't just say hey i want to use this on a different carrier.
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Turns out you need the MSL password to access the EPST *edit* menu(CDMA frequencies and phone identity info for the new carrier to program in)
MSL can be obtained by ROOT app called "MSL Reader"
hope this helps someone some day

CDMA support

Anyone think the OnePlus 6 will add support for Verizon or Sprint? Would be very wise to do so as Verizon is the largest US carrier.
TechOut said:
Anyone think the OnePlus 6 will add support for Verizon or Sprint? Would be very wise to do so as Verizon is the largest US carrier.
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Verizon is not very friendly towards unlockable bootloaders, so most likely no. The bands might be there, but Verizon wont accept it on their network. Might work on CDMA carriers abroad though. Sprint might accept it on their BYOD plans. Trying not to get too hyped about this device. If I like what I see and hear, I'll be getting the OP6 and handing down my S9+.
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Verizon is not very friendly towards unlockable bootloaders, so most likely no. The bands might be there, but Verizon wont accept it on their network. Might work on CDMA carriers abroad though. Sprint might accept it on their BYOD plans. Trying not to get too hyped about this device. If I like what I see and hear, I'll be getting the OP6 and handing down my S9+.
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I have sprint so I hope CDMA is there for BYOD
According to OnePlus.net ut only supports T-Mobile AT&T and U.S Cellular. Such a shame that they make such a good device at an awesome price and its only compatible with half the major us carriers
The US carriers are to blame here, not oneplus! There is absolutely no reason for them not to make it compatible.
Dabarr said:
The US carriers are to blame here, not oneplus! There is absolutely no reason for them not to make it compatible.
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No it's one pluses fault. They don't want to pay the licensing needed (it's not cheap) for CDMA networks. It's that simple. So it's no one's fault really. It's just business.
zelendel said:
No it's one pluses fault. They don't want to pay the licensing needed (it's not cheap) for CDMA networks. It's that simple. So it's no one's fault really. It's just business.
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You don't need certification to use a phone on Verizon's network. You just need the bands. You just pop a sim in and it works.
Josh LaCelle said:
You don't need certification to use a phone on Verizon's network. You just need the bands. You just pop a sim in and it works.
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You clearly have no idea how these things work. There are tons of things that go into "just popping in a sim card and it works" There are things from the CDMA network that are vastly different. Like the all of the telephone software. Which you have to pay a license to use. Not to mention using the modems on CDMA devices which also costs money.
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You clearly have no idea how these things work. There are tons of things that go into "just popping in a sim card and it works" There are things from the CDMA network that are vastly different. Like the all of the telephone software. Which you have to pay a license to use. Not to mention using the modems on CDMA devices which also costs money.
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You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I am talking about using a non-verizon phone on Verizon's network. I have used non-verizon phones on Verizon's network with no problem at all! You just need the bands you don't need Verizon's certification.
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You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I am talking about using a non-verizon phone on Verizon's network. I have used non-verizon phones on Verizon's network with no problem at all! You just need the bands you don't need Verizon's certification.
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That is a device that is already paying for the licenses. You have to be from the states and still very young. This is why you have no idea about what you are talking about. To sell a device in the states you have to state if the device is a GSM or CDMA device or both. Then you pay the licensing for that. Many smaller companies refuse to pay the fees for CDMA as it is out dated tech. (heck even China stopped using it for the most part. Verizon will soon be completely our of the CDMA network)
Trust me it takes more then just the bands. Even the dialer software is different on a CDMA based device and that software is closed sourced.
This is the main reason smaller OEM dont support CDMA networks. They just dont want to pay for the extra licenses they need (that and they suck lol)
Pater Draco said:
That is a device that is already paying for the licenses. You have to be from the states and still very young. This is why you have no idea about what you are talking about. To sell a device in the states you have to state if the device is a GSM or CDMA device or both. Then you pay the licensing for that. Many smaller companies refuse to pay the fees for CDMA as it is out dated tech. (heck even China stopped using it for the most part. Verizon will soon be completely our of the CDMA network)
Trust me it takes more then just the bands. Even the dialer software is different on a CDMA based device and that software is closed sourced.
This is the main reason smaller OEM dont support CDMA networks. They just dont want to pay for the extra licenses they need (that and they suck lol)
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I don't think you are understanding what I am saying. I am from the states and very young. I am 5 years old.
Anyways, I totally agree with what you are saying. My point is you can run non-verizon phones on Verizon network. They don't need any amount of certification from Verizon at all to do that!
Josh LaCelle said:
I don't think you are understanding what I am saying. I am from the states and very young. I am 5 years old.
Anyways, I totally agree with what you are saying. My point is you can run non-verizon phones on Verizon network. They don't need any amount of certification from Verizon at all to do that!
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What you are getting is that is not always the case. Go ahead and take any device that doesnt support CDMA like many devices from China based OEM and you will find that even with the bands that you can pop a sim card in and nothing will work. ITs not from Verizon that they need the certification. Its from the FCC and the CDMA commission. This happens long before you even know the device is even made.
You can not use your experience as a be all end all here. Users in the states make up about 10% of XDA users and the rules for cell phones are very different in the states then they are in the rest of the world.
Either way it doesnt matter.
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What you are getting is that is not always the case. Go ahead and take any device that doesnt support CDMA like many devices from China based OEM and you will find that even with the bands that you can pop a sim card in and nothing will work. ITs not from Verizon that they need the certification. Its from the FCC and the CDMA commission. This happens long before you even know the device is even made.
You can not use your experience as a be all end all here. Users in the states make up about 10% of XDA users and the rules for cell phones are very different in the states then they are in the rest of the world.
Either way it doesnt matter.
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Obviously you can't read or like to argue with someone.
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You clearly have no idea how these things work. There are tons of things that go into "just popping in a sim card and it works" There are things from the CDMA network that are vastly different. Like the all of the telephone software. Which you have to pay a license to use. Not to mention using the modems on CDMA devices which also costs money.
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It has a CDMA modem it has enough bands for Verizon I used the OnePlus 5 on version you only get 3G if you enable LTE you wont get calls or text. It's a Verizon support issue the hardware is there
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It has a CDMA modem it has enough bands for Verizon I used the OnePlus 5 on version you only get 3G if you enable LTE you wont get calls or text. It's a Verizon support issue the hardware is there
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Not Verizon support. It is missing band 13 which Verizon uses for LTE.
Josh LaCelle said:
Not Verizon support. It is missing band 13 which Verizon uses for LTE.
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Still works though not all bands are required. It may affect signal in some areas but not all
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Not Verizon support. It is missing band 13 which Verizon uses for LTE.
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Nevermind, thinking about Tmobile
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Also it does take more then just popping in a Sim for Verizon especially. There is a certification that needs to be done unless that has changed in the last couple years.
But the OnePlus does include a CDMA radio with all the supported band for Verizon. You can try calling Verizon and see if they will add you IMEI number to their system. But that is a gamble to take. Other then that Verizon would have to accept the OnePlus as a whole to run 4glte on the phones.
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Nevermind, thinking about Tmobile
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Also it does take more then just popping in a Sim for Verizon especially. There is a certification that needs to be done unless that has changed in the last couple years.
But the OnePlus does include a CDMA radio with all the supported band for Verizon. You can try calling Verizon and see if they will add you IMEI number to their system. But that is a gamble to take. Other then that Verizon would have to accept the OnePlus as a whole to run 4glte on the phones.
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Verizon doesn't whitelist IMEIs you can put a sim in and use it on 3G just fine. Verizon does use band 13 but you dont need all bands for it to work. Sprint does whitelist IMEIs so it will not work on sprint period
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What you are getting is that is not always the case. Go ahead and take any device that doesnt support CDMA like many devices from China based OEM and you will find that even with the bands that you can pop a sim card in and nothing will work. ITs not from Verizon that they need the certification. Its from the FCC and the CDMA commission. This happens long before you even know the device is even made.
You can not use your experience as a be all end all here. Users in the states make up about 10% of XDA users and the rules for cell phones are very different in the states then they are in the rest of the world.
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I can't tell if your trolling or if you're genuinely a nasty person....
1. " take any device that DOESN'T support CDMA like many devices from China based OEM" I assume you meant that many Chinese devices DO use CDMA. Because what you said is incorrect. On top of that, not all CDMA bands are the same, so of course Chinese CDMA phones won't register on Verizon's network.
2. You can't dismiss his experiences either, or mine. I use non certified, lacking bands CDMA devices on Verizon's network without any major issues. Granted it's not optimal service, but it's the compromise of not having to carry two phones.
3. Sounds like you have some hate complex for people who live in the US. Only 10% of XDA users? Where'd you find that, and why is it important?
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Also it does take more then just popping in a Sim for Verizon especially. There is a certification that needs to be done unless that has changed in the last couple years.
But the OnePlus does include a CDMA radio with all the supported band for Verizon. You can try calling Verizon and see if they will add you IMEI number to their system. But that is a gamble to take. Other then that Verizon would have to accept the OnePlus as a whole to run 4glte on the phones.
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It has a CDMA modem it has enough bands for Verizon I used the OnePlus 5 on version you only get 3G if you enable LTE you wont get calls or text. It's a Verizon support issue the hardware is there
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I have a 1+3T. It has two of of three Verizon LTE bands: 2,4 but not 13. It also has CDMA band BC0. I have my personal SIM on ATT and my company's is Verizon. That is correct, if you enable LTE, it's slower speed than normal and calls and text don't come through. I leave my ATT on primary data so it works out pretty good. I hate carrying two phones. You don't have to get them to add a IMEI number, just activate the SIM on a Verizon phone and then pop it into the Oneplus.
The 1+6 on the other hands has CDMA bands BC0 and BC1, so hopefully that improves 3G connection. Stupid that they ignore the largest US carrier and not put band 13 in there. In a couple years everything will be on LTE anyways. I'm very curious why LTE disables calls and texts......any ideas?
Just sad to see no CDMA support on such a growing phone I like the Oneplus so much I may go to T-Mobile

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