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what is Kaiser rom? is it Kaiser Operating System? what benefit will i receive if i change or upgrade my original AT&T kaiser Rom. thank you. once again. please don't be offended, i am a newbie, i have already tried find threads for explaining this basic thing, but i unable to find it, please some expert take 1 minute or so explain to me, thanky you
sepig said:
what is Kaiser rom? is it Kaiser Operating System? what benefit will i receive if i change or upgrade my original AT&T kaiser Rom. thank you. once again. please don't be offended, i am a newbie, i have already tried find threads for explaining this basic thing, but i unable to find it, please some expert take 1 minute or so explain to me, thanky you
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i just read some threads , someone said that HTC rom is better than my ATT rom, where can i download this HTC Rom? go to HTC website, they offer on it's official website ? how to upload HTC to my ATT kaiser phone ? thank you.
sepig said:
i just read some threads , someone said that HTC rom is better than my ATT rom, where can i download this HTC Rom? go to HTC website, they offer on it's official website ? how to upload HTC to my ATT kaiser phone ? thank you.
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Read this first.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser
And then read the site for a month or so. "What is ROM"? Really???????
sepig said:
i just read some threads , someone said that HTC rom is better than my ATT rom, where can i download this HTC Rom? go to HTC website, they offer on it's official website ? how to upload HTC to my ATT kaiser phone ? thank you.
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Seems to me like you're speed reading the WIKI in the same way people read a cheap book..... don't start at the beginning, read every other chapter then (and I'm waiting for this one) complain that the book was crap because you missed something.
20 minutes after your first post asking what a rom is you're suddenly 'expert' enough to discern that the HTC ROM is better than your ATT one. Well yes - you're probably right but how long will it be before you discover that your radio might not work after your upgrade (another 5 minutes) or that you can screw up without hardSPL (sorry missed that one 'cos it was in chapter 2 and I only read odd numbered chapters on Tuesdays).
Go away and come back when you've learned how to read.
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Seems to me like you're speed reading the WIKI in the same way people read a cheap book..... don't start at the beginning, read every other chapter then (and I'm waiting for this one) complain that the book was crap because you missed something.
20 minutes after your first post asking what a rom is you're suddenly 'expert' enough to discern that the HTC ROM is better than your ATT one. Well yes - you're probably right but how long will it be before you discover that your radio might not work after your upgrade (another 5 minutes) or that you can screw up without hardSPL (sorry missed that one 'cos it was in chapter 2 and I only read odd numbered chapters on Tuesdays).
Go away and come back when you've learned how to read.
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LOL! Very true though.
Sepig. People are going to bash you if you don't spend a lot of time reading the wiki and forums before you post questions because you can seriously screw up your device if you don't. From your post, it will be a while before you can upgrade your phone.
Just go here and install this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334679
Once you've install that CORRECTLY, go here for the official kaiser rom:
http://www.zshare.net/download/45579378780722/
That only took me 2 minutes to do. Wiki is your friend. Remember that!
ericc191 said:
Just go here and install this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334679
Once you've install that CORRECTLY, go here for the official kaiser rom:
http://www.zshare.net/download/45579378780722/
That only took me 2 minutes to do. Wiki is your friend. Remember that!
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Thats very positive attitude, instead of bashing ppl like bunch of 7th graders you actually made an effort to provide exactly what the newbie was looking for... VERY NICE, I LIKEE
I totally understand that this is a very basic question but instead of loading your guns you should just point the person in the right direction like ericc191 here. Just think of yourself when you got your 1st pda phone ever...
Thats just my 2 cents..
cheers
farhanali_ said:
Thats very positive attitude, instead of bashing ppl like bunch of 7th graders you actually made an effort to provide exactly what the newbie was looking for... VERY NICE, I LIKEE
I totally understand that this is a very basic question but instead of loading your guns you should just point the person in the right direction like ericc191 here. Just think of yourself when you got your 1st pda phone ever...
Thats just my 2 cents..
cheers
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yes, true... as newbie we just don't know where to start... BUT don't just read for few lines... then open a new thread to ask question... after few minutes more, find more answer and maybe more question... open another new thread...
allright, everybody is a newbie... but being a smart noobie and {whatever} noobie is different thing... try being smart...
farhanali_ said:
Thats very positive attitude, instead of bashing ppl like bunch of 7th graders you actually made an effort to provide exactly what the newbie was looking for... VERY NICE, I LIKEE
I totally understand that this is a very basic question but instead of loading your guns you should just point the person in the right direction like ericc191 here. Just think of yourself when you got your 1st pda phone ever...
Thats just my 2 cents..
cheers
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Have you considered that I might actually be a 7th grader???
Anyway, a bit harsh maybe - but if people fall over backwards to help others who are too lazy or impatient to help themselves then we'll be as inundated with useless posts as the Hermes forums.
And fyi, I don't normally flame noobs if they've done a bit or real work themselves - instead I normally try to help.
Also fyi, I was mildly flamed as a noob - ONCE only. I went away with my tail between my legs and learned to read - once I could read I learned to write.
In a bizarre way, by flaming noobs you do help - 1. because you bump their post. 2. someone always comes along to help. 3. To get the help they have to read through the scorn at their (sometimes) dumb question or attitude so maybe they research better next time.
Besides the above I'd had a beer and a ****ty day
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Have you considered that I might actually be a 7th grader???
Anyway, a bit harsh maybe - but if people fall over backwards to help others who are too lazy or impatient to help themselves then we'll be as inundated with useless posts as the Hermes forums.
And fyi, I don't normally flame noobs if they've done a bit or real work themselves - instead I normally try to help.
Also fyi, I was mildly flamed as a noob - ONCE only. I went away with my tail between my legs and learned to read - once I could read I learned to write.
In a bizarre way, by flaming noobs you do help - 1. because you bump their post. 2. someone always comes along to help. 3. To get the help they have to read through the scorn at their (sometimes) dumb question or attitude so maybe they research better next time.
Besides the above I'd had a beer and a ****ty day
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And the hard work from these cookers is free anyway (donations that is) so just do your home work first before posting. Is that too much to ask - an intelligent question?
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And the hard work from these cookers is free anyway (donations that is) so just do your home work first before posting. Is that too much to ask - an intelligent question?
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Flaming is a bit pointless if done to someone who, as was obviously the case here, comes with a complete blank and probably doesn't even know what a wiki is and what/where to look first.
On the other hand, it's a perfect opportunity to throw one's wisecracks at the noob and entertain the forum. A bit too easy though, don't you think?
There is a difference between helping or spoiling
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yes, true... as newbie we just don't know where to start... BUT don't just read for few lines... then open a new thread to ask question... after few minutes more, find more answer and maybe more question... open another new thread...
allright, everybody is a newbie... but being a smart noobie and {whatever} noobie is different thing... try being smart...
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Totally agree! This forum is not started just a few days ago. There are plenty of info. to solve most problems. Encourage people being lazy is actually not good for them. No need to scold them but just point them to the right place to read. If they don't. Just ignore them. I've been ignored before, but now I am able to cook my own Kaiser ROM.
Spoiling people is not helping.
In fact I would propose there is a black out period like 24hrs to 48hrs that a newbie cannot start any new thread. They may post to ask question but not starting new thread as soon as they register the forum.
Sad but true.
It seems that people are not into reading these days. Such a shame, cause reading makes you intelligent ! *ping*
No but seriously, read the forum starting with the Wiki. After that please remind yourself that you are NOT an IT-geek which makes the whole process probably even more dangerous. After the coscideration that your computerskills utterly -suck- , click cross in the right-upper-corner and have a nice day.
with love!
I see this as a website to go to to find answers.
Similarly to how I would go to Dell.com (or whatever) if I wanted to find a PC to buy to play my latest game I bought.
I don't go reading through the technical manual on how a CPU or GPU works so that I know which one to buy. I look to the people who already have the knowledge to answer the questions I have.
Most of the regular posters on here (I'm guessing) already know a lot about flashing PDAs etc... especially the first guy who flamed the OP. If you don't want to share your knowledge then don't take part in the forum. Yes, there are people who are trying to find an easy way to learn everything that you know and I agree that they should do their research etc... but this guy was abviously wanting a few pointers and got blasted for it. Take it as a compliment that he feels confident in this forum to be able to prvide him with the bit of knowledge he requires to do a flash and then be done. He has never done one before and will never do one again so why does he have to spend weeks reading material that potentially could give him answers that you could write in a line or so?
Please, don't flame the noobs.
I find that more often than not they don't come back.
Look how many times he has replied to this thread since the first guy flamed him... none.
No ill feelings to the original poster, as we were all there one day,
but to see it as a thread headline made me laugh!!! Actually made my day!
No worries, ROM Flashing is easy as hell!!
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I see this as a website to go to to find answers.
Similarly to how I would go to Dell.com (or whatever) if I wanted to find a PC to buy to play my latest game I bought.
I don't go reading through the technical manual on how a CPU or GPU works so that I know which one to buy. I look to the people who already have the knowledge to answer the questions I have.
Most of the regular posters on here (I'm guessing) already know a lot about flashing PDAs etc... especially the first guy who flamed the OP. If you don't want to share your knowledge then don't take part in the forum. Yes, there are people who are trying to find an easy way to learn everything that you know and I agree that they should do their research etc... but this guy was abviously wanting a few pointers and got blasted for it. Take it as a compliment that he feels confident in this forum to be able to prvide him with the bit of knowledge he requires to do a flash and then be done. He has never done one before and will never do one again so why does he have to spend weeks reading material that potentially could give him answers that you could write in a line or so?
Please, don't flame the noobs.
I find that more often than not they don't come back.
Look how many times he has replied to this thread since the first guy flamed him... none.
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Nobody get paid in this forum. You pay Dell for their machine so you may and should entitle some service. If you get some free service AND some free spanking in this forum, that is life, no flesh does not come with blood. Even experienced one may get spanked once a while by asking non-sense question. No need to be too thin-skin.
You may also be the lucky ones who has plenty of money and being pampered and like the noobs who like to ask million dollar question like "Which is the best ROM in this forum?" or "How do I flash my ROM step_by_step with guaranteed no risk?" or "Where do I get free SIM unlock service?" and expect an answer right away.
Many people paid to have their machine unlocked. Getting knowledgeable advice from someone is a service and entitled to get compensation for. Talk to a lawyer for advice, you will fully appreciate all the good folks in this forum and they are the one needed to be pampered and not the noobs.
One will learn and learn by reading this forum. It is more like drugs to me now.
He hasn't replied, that is good, that means he is doing reading and reading and reading..... If he is not, why he want to risk his $600 machine and ended up blaming everyone in this forum for not helping him or prevent him from doing that.
I don't think he was flamed by the #2 or #3 or # .... He is being educated! He is benefiting by this experience! The machine that's saved maybe his!
Please note there is a note in this forum which says:
Reading this Forum (Wiki) may be hazardous to your health!
Hey, I think it may also be hazardous to your family life, your love life, and/or your current job! Not just your machine!
Lets get a bit real here...
The name of this site is XDA-Developers. There is a bit of a clue in the title as to a certain amount of pre-knowledge. This guy asked what a ROM is - he could have got his answer from dictionary.com but instead decided to go to a group of people who are (or were) efectively researching on the forefront of the XDA pda's.
Most noobs (me included) have a lot of experience of computers but at first they don't have any idea of how to translate this into WM5 or WM6. But they learn quick because they already have the pre-knowledge to enter a developers site. This question was nothing like that and there is a greater than 90% chance that we'll be fending off the 'what is the best rom', 'how do I insert the stylus', 'how do you spell brick' type of questions unless he is discouraged from proceeding without some serious reading.
I know there are nice and nasty ways to tell someone what to do, but my experience of these forums is that people who don't read will not read the 'help granny cross the road' style of advice - but they do tend to get the point when flamed a bit (and it could have been worse).
Anyway, I hope he's gone away - keeps reading and then comes back a bit better prepared. And lets face it - anyone can flash a Rom, but not everyone can recover from a bad flash - and bad flashes is what we want to prevent at any cost.
farhanali_ said:
Thats very positive attitude, instead of bashing ppl like bunch of 7th graders you actually made an effort to provide exactly what the newbie was looking for... VERY NICE, I LIKEE
I totally understand that this is a very basic question but instead of loading your guns you should just point the person in the right direction like ericc191 here. Just think of yourself when you got your 1st pda phone ever...
Thats just my 2 cents..
cheers
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Actually, I bricked my first PDA phone on the second day... That's when I found this forum However I managed to unbrick it. Somehow. Can't remember the how.
Ok so I read through some threads and you guys are all a million steps ahead of me..I would like a simple guide on how to put custom roms/modifing the phone..where to get apps for the phone..etc..remember im still learning here lol
by the way im using the Att Tilt on the rogers network..if that means anything lol
just do some reading... there is more literature in these forums than you would probably care to read. Use the search feature to find items related to what you are looking for. Additionally, read the Wiki for Kaiser. It will basically answer most of the questions you'll have.
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I agree with you. i have read lot of this and i am still lost.
I also would like to know if you can connect a tilt through your pc to the internet using a wireless broad band connection over bluetooth.
thanks a lot i shall take a look at the wiki
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Ok so I read through some threads and you guys are all a million steps ahead of me..I would like a simple guide on how to put custom roms/modifing the phone..where to get apps for the phone..etc..remember im still learning here lol
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All you need is in this Wiki, and specificaly you need to look under "Hacks and Tweaks"
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser
By all means read the Wiki. Read the Sticky post at the top of the posts listing.
But, I would not recommend anyone that is still at the stage of getting to know the phone and learning how to install programmes, to be thinking about flashing a new ROM.
I suggest you spend sometime in the regular Kaiser Forum, getting to know what the Kaiser can do/not do and absorbing information. Flashing can go seriously wrong if you do not have a clear view of what to do and in what sequence. The single sticky post in this forum would be your starting point when you have built confidence.(in particular the link to the ROM Flashing FAQ for Noobies.)
Mike
I agree with Mike....get to know the phone and then start small....ie.programs...new theme...etc......then try some of the bigger stuff.
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By all means read the Wiki. Read the Sticky post at the top of the posts listing.
But, I would not recommend anyone that is still at the stage of getting to know the phone and learning how to install programmes, to be thinking about flashing a new ROM.
I suggest you spend sometime in the regular Kaiser Forum, getting to know what the Kaiser can do/not do and absorbing information. Flashing can go seriously wrong if you do not have a clear view of what to do and in what sequence. The single sticky post in this forum would be your starting point when you have built confidence.(in particular the link to the ROM Flashing FAQ for Noobies.)
Mike
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Agreed with Mike, and (although I'm not on as much anymore) PLEASE READ THE TILT SPECIFIC WIKI!!!
It took a while to compile and was made specifically for new user such as yourself. Cheers.
I'm trying to unlock 2 of my kaisers and it seems as though whenever I try to change the radios my screen goes black right after it reboots and won't let me do anything. Maybe I'm just being brain dead and forgetting to do something, but I unlocked my other Kaiser 2 days ago and I'm 99% sure I'm doing the same thing I've beendoing.
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I'm trying to unlock 2 of my kaisers and it seems as though whenever I try to change the radios my screen goes black right after it reboots and won't let me do anything. Maybe I'm just being brain dead and forgetting to do something, but I unlocked my other Kaiser 2 days ago and I'm 99% sure I'm doing the same thing I've beendoing.
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Anyone have any idea?
If this is related to SIM unlocking your phone, please check that thread first. Your question is most likely already answered there.
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If this is related to SIM unlocking your phone, please check that thread first. Your question is most likely already answered there.
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I checked, I didn't see anything describing this problem. I've treid with both different methods, JWC2001's and the stickied. Tried on vista and XP. Neither worked.
JoVa619 said:
I checked, I didn't see anything describing this problem. I've treid with both different methods, JWC2001's and the stickied. Tried on vista and XP. Neither worked.
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You still should be posting there, because even if this thread isn't redundant and you find an answer in this thread, some other person will come along and have a very hard time finding this thread amongst all the other threads that are/were redundant.
There are HUNDREDS of threads that mention radio issues and the relevancy of the thread title not matching the contents of sim unlocking issues will definitely make it hard to find.
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You still should be posting there, because even if this thread isn't redundant and you find an answer in this thread, some other person will come along and have a very hard time finding this thread amongst all the other threads that are/were redundant.
There are HUNDREDS of threads that mention radio issues and the relevancy of the thread title not matching the contents of sim unlocking issues will definitely make it hard to find.
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I tried posting there when I didn't find an answer I had figured might as well make a post on the main boards, my apologies either way. Just frustrated that 2 poeple can't use there cell phones ATM because I'm an idiot.
Just flash any 6.1 rom it will fix it. once your done with that just run step 2 and 3 and you'll be set.
this happened to me too. Try putting on your original radio, that will fix it. Or upgrade to a 6.1 ROM, and put on a 6.1 radio. Its just radio that will not work with your ROM, they all don't work with each other.
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this happened to me too. Try putting on your original radio, that will fix it. Or upgrade to a 6.1 ROM, and put on a 6.1 radio. Its just radio that will not work with your ROM, they all don't work with each other.
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Yeah just make sure you follow the directions closely it will save you alot of headache.
So I've tried reading through some of the introduction threads, but there's so many jargon terms thrown out casually that I have no idea what half the posts are talking about.
I just "exchanged" my old AT&T Tilt for the AT&T Fuze, and I'm loving it. However, I want to update my ROM to windows mobile 6.5, and get into customizing it a bit. I know the first part is the hardest, because you run the risk of bricking the phone.
Since I have no experience doing this, could someone help walk me through the process?
I know I most likely want a 'cooked' ROM, and I've read the tutorial a few times, I'm just not sure I'm understanding it correctly due to some of the terminology. I'm also not entirely sure what ROM I want yet, and was hoping someone might be able to point me towards one that fits my needs.
Again, sorry if I'm asking when I just just be leaping. Will someone please hold my hand and give me some chocolate milk and talk me through changing the ROM? >.<
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=448008
Thanx for your reply, it proves you didn't read my post at all.
well if you had clicked his link you would realize that post is exactly what you were asking for.
also. No one can pick out a ROM for you. Browse through them and test a few out. it only takes a few moments to flash a new ROM to your phone.
What terminology are you having trouble with? if you search for it in the wiki or in the post that was linked above then you will undoubtedly find an explanation.
A good site for general overview, if you can handle the writing style, is blown fuze. I gained a lot of info reading this, even though I don't have a Fuze yet (but would like to get one).
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Thanx for your reply, it proves you didn't read my post at all.
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take the time to click the link and it will provide you all the instructions needed. Everything is explained in full detail even providing the program you need to flash a new rom, so you should really really click before you complain.
trust me, that link on flashing your first gsm rom is as complete as you get, unless you want big pretty pictures or a video.
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take the time to click the link and it will provide you all the instructions needed. Everything is explained in full detail even providing the program you need to flash a new rom, so you should really really click before you complain.
trust me, that link on flashing your first gsm rom is as complete as you get, unless you want big pretty pictures or a video.
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TO THE OP
Having looked at all the stickies first rom flashing looks easier on this than on my old wizard. I found the sim unlocking,cid and super cid unlocking at first but I read everything twice and it worked okay for me
And if it doesnt then there are plenty of people here who can help
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Thanx for your reply, it proves you didn't read my post at all.
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Perhaps flashing is not in your future.
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Having looked at all the stickies first rom flashing looks easier on this than on my old wizard. I found the sim unlocking,cid and super cid unlocking at first but I read everything twice and it worked okay for me
And if it doesnt then there are plenty of people here who can help
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Thank you for actually reading my post, I greatly appreciate it.
To everyone else, I DID click the link, and read it several times before even posting. If you had bothered to read my post, you would have noticed I referenced it several times. I took the time to read before posting, you could at least have the civil decency to do the same.
@ Theoneeye, thank you for the assurance, I tracked down someone who was able to answer some ROM questions for me and help me find a good starting ROM and assist me with the process to make sure I don't brick my phone on my first go at it.
Normally I just try things like this, and if it fails, try again until it works. However, since I read up on this first (even though everyone here seems to think I didn't) I know I run the risk of bricking my phone. Since I've gone through several exchanges already to get this phone for free (long story) I don't wanna be swapping another phone so soon.
To those who still bother to read posts, any input you can provide on your ROM choices, or the other half of my post regarding some things I should look into installing, I would appreciate it.
To anyone else who's going to continue to refer me to that sticky instead of reading, please **** off.
wow. I'm surprised. If you actually read through the link several times and you still did not get it, you were skimming it or you really really do not have a strong grasp on the english language.
Hell, it's even numbered. How much easier would you prefer. If you want suggestions for ROM choices, it is entirely up to you. Every rom has their own unique "style" that they offer and they describe it all in the first post. Energy, NATF, etc all explain their roms in great details and some even provide extra steps.
My blunt suggestion here is that before you tell others to **** off for referring you to where everyone else has use as reference and successfully performed a flash, you should save your rudeness for yourself. Also, if you have any questions on terminology, ask which jargon is throwing you a wrench in your direction following process. That would make it much easier to explain.
P.S: seriously read through that damn sticky, it is as clear as a swarovski crystal. Follow it step by step and don't "do your thing" and you'll have a successful flash.
btw. way to be a jackass to those who have already given you the answers you asked for.
EDIT: TLDR version. Be polite, and follow the directions to the letter. and ROMs are your personal choice since they're all unique and they come in full explanations as to their purpose.
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Thank you for actually reading my post, I greatly appreciate it.
To everyone else, I DID click the link, and read it several times before even posting. If you had bothered to read my post, you would have noticed I referenced it several times. I took the time to read before posting, you could at least have the civil decency to do the same.
@ Theoneeye, thank you for the assurance, I tracked down someone who was able to answer some ROM questions for me and help me find a good starting ROM and assist me with the process to make sure I don't brick my phone on my first go at it.
Normally I just try things like this, and if it fails, try again until it works. However, since I read up on this first (even though everyone here seems to think I didn't) I know I run the risk of bricking my phone. Since I've gone through several exchanges already to get this phone for free (long story) I don't wanna be swapping another phone so soon.
To those who still bother to read posts, any input you can provide on your ROM choices, or the other half of my post regarding some things I should look into installing, I would appreciate it.
To anyone else who's going to continue to refer me to that sticky instead of reading, please **** off.
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I see your arrogance is getting you far
Just getting into this meself and so far it looks like...
- sort out the hardSPL update first to let you do the ROM and other upgrades...
- once it says 1.90.OliNex on the bootloader fetch the new ROM
- reading around and going by most references the Energy 6.5 ROM seems to be worth a shot, think that's what I'll be installing on my TP
- while you're at it search for aerial upgrades and put a newer version on at the same time to sort out GPS and phone performance.
Just make sure you follow the instructions to the letter, don't run anything else on the PC while updates are being done and check, check and triple check the ROMS to make sure they're correct before doing anything
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Just getting into this meself and so far it looks like...
- sort out the hardSPL update first to let you do the ROM and other upgrades...
- once it says 1.90.OliNex on the bootloader fetch the new ROM
- reading around and going by most references the Energy 6.5 ROM seems to be worth a shot, think that's what I'll be installing on my TP
- while you're at it search for aerial upgrades and put a newer version on at the same time to sort out GPS and phone performance.
Just make sure you follow the instructions to the letter, don't run anything else on the PC while updates are being done and check, check and triple check the ROMS to make sure they're correct before doing anything
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Thank you!
It's helpful knowing there's some decent people on these forums who are willing to help out. I was able to get the few basic questions I had regarding installation and some pointers to help me find a ROM that fits my needs. Since then I've done a few flashes and all have gone off without a hitch.
To those of you who continue to think I'm being rude, you seem to fail to realize the ignorance and blatant 'ass hattery' in repeatedly referring someone to read something they already read without providing any additional information. It comes across as very condescending, and isn't helpful at all.
Speaking of "It comes across as very condescending, and isn't helpful at all."
If you want help here this is NOT the way to get it.
This is a community of great minds and mutual respect, not somewhere for someone to start making demands and throwing out general negativity.
No one here thinks you continue to be rude, THEY CAN READ IT FOR THEMSELVES.
Everyone here is willing to help, but you need to help yourself first. You're off to a really great start....
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Thank you!
It's helpful knowing there's some decent people on these forums who are willing to help out.
To those of you who continue to think I'm being rude, you seem to fail to realize the ignorance and blatant 'ass hattery' in repeatedly referring someone to read something they already read without providing any additional information. It comes across as very condescending, and isn't helpful at all.
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To anyone else who's going to continue to refer me to that sticky instead of reading, please **** off.
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Sorry Dracius, i'm with the majority of people here who think you're rude and havent understood the idea of this site - its a community developement site, not a one-stop download & personal tech support center.
The instructions in the flashing guide are exactly what you need to start you off in the world of flashing roms. It has a "before you start" backup part - with a link to free backup software.
It then goes on to explain exactly and in detail how to flash (GSM) hard spl - including a link and instructions to ensure you have a GSM phone. It also tells you to ensure you dont have any other programs running / screen saver etc which might throw a spanner in the works.
Following that, it says - if you want to - how to sim & security unlock the phone, including the required link.
Next it details how to flash a rom, including a very helpful line
1. Download your prefered Rom from the Raphael Rom Develpoment Page and unzip/unrar it to your computer
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Your prefered rom - remember this is a guide on how to flash - not what to flash. To decide that, read the details in the rom forum, read other users feedback - and then when it doesnt help, do what everyone else does and try half a dozen to see what it is you want your phone to be like.
Finally, the guide tells you how to flash a different radio - and again says this is optional. It then links to a radio thread which explains what the radio does and why you might want to flash it.
If you have a problem with any part of the process (or pretty much anything related to your phone) then (after searching & reading) make a post explaining what your problem is - and what you have done to help yourself (say exactly which threads you have read, and why they dont help you / what you dont understand) - people will generally help.
This isnt what you did.
Oh, welcome to the community.
Well at least he got a welcome
theoneeye said:
Well at least he got a welcome
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No, not really. His attitude is NOT welcome here.
Bruce Inman said:
No, not really. His attitude is NOT welcome here.
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I know mate I was only kidding
theoneeye said:
I know mate I was only kidding
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I know Bro, that's why I welcomed you on your other thread....
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I know Bro, that's why I welcomed you on your other thread....
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I saw that thanks
I am not new here but I am new to the Raphael section
(I had a Blackberry Storm for a year sorry )
OK, i searched, I researched and found so much conflicting information. Some posts in red caps say THIS IS EXPIRED NOW BECAUSE OF UPDATE..
I want to put a custom ROM on my ATT One - X. I'm brand new to this, but fairly computer savy. So, with out getting flamed, could someone PLEASE direct me to the appropriate link that will effectively with out too many headaches, lead me to be able to root my phone, and then install a custom rom?
Thx!
Check the dev section
Sent from my HTC One XL using Tapatalk 2
Depends on what software version your on if it's 2.20 then no you can not root your phone at this time. If it's any other version besides 2,.20 then yes check this thread.
[INDEX] AT&T/ROGERS One X Resources Compilation Roll-Up (Updated 9/17/12)
If your stuck with 2.20 then you can follow the progess for root here
Root 2.20 Think Tank
Depends on what software version your phone is running. For US AT&T phones, if you're running 1.73 or 1.85 then it's rootable. If you're on 2.20, then you're out of luck at the moment. Good luck.
Also - mind the "PLEASE DON'T POST QUESTIONS IN THE GENERAL FORUM" thread. We've got a Q&A sub forum here for that.
Cheers,
-V
I know your pain of all the conflicting and outdated stickies and guides. It took me several hours to try the different methods that might work. I ended up lucking out and getting one with 1.85, and used this method:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1709296
One thing to add is that when you hit the check for updates button, let it sit. It will look like its doing nothing, but hitting it again will start the download. Took my 4 factory resets and several tries, but it finally worked. Then you SuperCID, unlock Boot loader, install TWRP. Those guides were easier and once rooted they all work, its just the rooting that's tricky.
And as mentioned this all goes out the window if it arrives on 2.20.
Good luck.
Sent from my HOCKS
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I know your pain of all the conflicting and outdated stickies and guides. It took me several hours to try the different methods that might work. I ended up lucking out and getting one with 1.85
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Pray tell, which stickies are outdated???
My index thread here is updated at least weekly (sometimes more often, if there is a lot of dev activity). And the date it was last updated is clearly indicated in the thread title.
This index thread clearly lists the working root methods; and what firmware the method applies to is clearly stated, either in the thread title, or I've made a note to indicate it.
You asked ...
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Pray tell, which stickies are outdated???
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1673110
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1673111
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671237 (for the reasons below)
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This index thread clearly lists the working root methods; and what firmware the method applies to is clearly stated, either in the thread title, or I've made a note to indicate it.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1709424
As stated in the first line of the thread this method no longer works, but I wouldn't know that until I went to the thread. "ACT NOW" Why is this still in the guide as a viable option? Why isn't it noted that this no longer works?
Note to add to guide: This method no longer works and is only in the guide for reference purposes
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1633071
Bootloader must be unlocked first. How do you unlock the bootloader? Root. Wait, what? Round and round we go. Why not note this method only works for phones with the BL already unlocked?
Note to add to guide: This method only works for non-AT&T branded phones that can have the Bootloader unlocked. BL must be unlocked before rooting, see thread for details.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1684382
None of those methods worked when I tried them.
Note to add to guide: Reports of this method not working for phones shipped on 1.85.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1709296
Only method that worked with my phone. I am not used to ADB, so I tried EVERY other method several times first. And as I stated, this guide could use some additional steps to help avoid some scary situation where you are in the middle of downloading the udate you fear and have no idea how to stop it. Hint: Reboot doesn't work, you must factory reset again to stop the download.
This is why it took me almost 4 hours to root my device.
The guide could flow something like this:
Do you have an AT&T branded version?
- No --> Unlock the BL [here], and root [here] or [here]
- Yes --> proceed
What firmware are you on?
- 2.20 --> STOP you cannot root
- 1.85 --> Try the ONE method the works [here] (for reference [this] method used to work)
- 1.73 --> Try one of these methods [here][here][etc]
The rest of the sticky is fine. But everything hinges on rooting your device, and it is so confusing to try to figure that out for a new user to the phone. I appreciate the guides that do exist, that is why I don't complain in the guides, just try to assist the other people new to the device by explaining my experiences just last week. I imagine the only way to test the method is to get a brand new phone, and try it. Something that is not reasonable. But, just by reading the OP and the last page of each thread I could make the above observations that would help the guide.
Not trying to be dis-respectful at all, but you asked what was outdated. It is very confusing for a new person to this phone without all the history of the last 6 months.
I wonder which is clogging up the forum more. People who "aren't searching properly" or the ones who reapeatedly post over and over again complaining about it. Jeez..
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Pray tell, which stickies are outdated???
My index thread here is updated at least weekly (sometimes more often, if there is a lot of dev activity). And the date it was last updated is clearly indicated in the thread title.
This index thread clearly lists the working root methods; and what firmware the method applies to is clearly stated, either in the thread title, or I've made a note to indicate it.
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You asked ...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1673110
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1673111
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Seriously? Those are warnings not to post questions in those forums. There aren't meant to be up to date root guides!
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Not trying to be dis-respectful at all, but you asked what was outdated.
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I'll agree that my index can use some updates as you suggest (although some of your comments are a bit too nitpicky for my taste). But you're talking about a few lines of a rather extensive index. To dismiss it all as "outdated" is an insult to many hours I've taken to create and continually maintain the thread. Your tone may not be disrespectful, but it certainly sounds ungrateful.
If you had issues with the index, you should have replied on that thread with your suggestions or PMed me when you found the updated items, just like I ask in the intro to the index. Complaining about it in another thread is the wrong way to have gone about it.
With respect to you, and not realizing it is your thread, I can understand you being frustrated with all the work you put in to it. So, I'm reply basically to say thanks for the work that you do.
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Seriously? Those are warnings not to post questions in those forums. There aren't meant to be up to date root guides!
I'll agree that my index can use some updates as you suggest (although some of your comments are a bit too nitpicky for my taste). But you're talking about a few lines of a rather extensive index. To dismiss it all as "outdated" is an insult to many hours I've taken to create and maintain the thread. Your tone may not be disrespectful, but it certainly sounds ungrateful.
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I wonder which is clogging up the forum more. People who "aren't searching properly" or the ones who reapeatedly post over and over again complaining about it. Jeez..
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I've spent a lot of time and effort to create and maintain the index thread for people to use. Its a sticky at the top of Development, no searching is required, and it lists most any resource you will need for this phone. Tons have people have gotten themselves into serious trouble soft or hard bricking their phones, or otherwise wasting a lot of time, when they could just used the index, and avoided all that.
I'm sorry I'm "clogging up the forum" with my index. With post like this, I sometimes wonder why I fricking bother.
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With respect to you, and not realizing it is your thread, I can understand you being frustrated with all the work you put in to it. So, I'm reply basically to say thanks for the work that you do.
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I think we were typing are responses at the same time. Thanks for the retraction. I was pretty pissed off by your earlier comment!
My apologies... I got frustrated because I've read so many people complaining about using search lately, that it seems more prevalent than the people not using search. I tried to delete the post after I wrote it, but since I'm new I had to wait 5 minutes. I replied after that post saying thanks for your work. Again, please accept my apologies and my gratitude for doing what you do.
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I've spent a lot of time and effort to create and maintain the index thread for people to use. Its a sticky at the top of Development, no searching is required, and it lists most any resource you will need for this phone. Tons have people have gotten themselves into serious trouble soft or hard bricking their phones, or otherwise wasting a lot of time, when they could just used the index, and avoided all that.
I'm sorry I'm "clogging up the forum" with my index. With post like this, I sometimes wonder why I fricking bother.
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My apologies... I got frustrated because I've read so many people complaining about using search lately, that it seems more prevalent than the people not using search. I tried to delete the post after I wrote it, but since I'm new I had to wait 5 minutes. I replied after that post saying thanks for your work. Again, please accept my apologies and my gratitude for doing what you do.
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Heh, were are getting good at cross posting with each other! See the second part of post #11 above (posted the same exact minute as your post!). I saw your post above (#10), thanks for the subsequent retraction/apology.
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Seriously? Those are warnings not to post questions in those forums. There aren't meant to be up to date root guides!
I'll agree that my index can use some updates as you suggest (although some of your comments are a bit too nitpicky for my taste). But you're talking about a few lines of a rather extensive index. To dismiss it all as "outdated" is an insult to many hours I've taken to create and continually maintain the thread. Your tone may not be disrespectful, but it certainly sounds ungrateful.
If you had issues with the index, you should have replied on that thread with your suggestions or PMed me when you found the updated items, just like I ask in the intro to the index. Complaining about it in another thread is the wrong way to have gone about it.
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Both of those stickies link to root methods that do not work. They are in the General and Q&A sections, and are titled for N00Bs to start there. As a N00b to this device that is where I started. That is the only sticky in the Q&A section, and my first question was "How do I root this phone?" In the Samsung forums these types of guides are in the General section.
As I said I do not mean to be ungreatful or disrespectful. That is why I did not complain it's outdated in the thread. Something that is taboo on XDA. Lowly members are flamed for challenging RCs, Devs, or Mods. I understand you put a lot of time into that thread. I can imagine the countless hours you put into compiling it. I think that rooting the phone is the most important part of that guide because nothing else in the guide is possible without root, and as such it should be accurate and clear. It's also the most confusing part of the guide, and the One X forum in general. I do appreciate the time and effort you put into your guide, and if I thought suggestions on the thread would be have been received peacefully I would have commented there, I apologize for bringing my issues up in a way that offended you. The Samsung forums have a total different feel and unwritten procedure, I am still getting used to the One X forum.
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As I said I do not mean to be ungreatful or disrespectful. That is why I did not complain it's outdated in the thread. Something that is taboo on XDA. Lowly members are flamed for challenging RCs, Devs, or Mods. I understand you put a lot of time into that thread. I can imagine the countless hours you put into compiling it. I think that rooting the phone is the most important part of that guide because nothing else in the guide is possible without root, and as such it should be accurate and clear. It's also the most confusing part of the guide, and the One X forum in general. I do appreciate the time and effort you put into your guide, and if I thought suggestions on the thread would be have been received peacefully I would have commented there, I apologize for bringing my issues up in a way that offended you. The Samsung forums have a total different feel and unwritten procedure, I am still getting used to the One X forum.
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I've been around here for 5 years, over the course of 5 devices, and I've never seen anyone flamed for suggesting to correct/revise a guide. Asking for ETA on a ROM update is the closest I've seen to what you are saying (usually not a good idea). But people who have written guides, indexes, etc. are typically very open to comments on how to improve their thread and keep it up to date. They made the thread to help people, and want nothing more than to have it do so effectively. If they don't update it, its usually because they don't have the time.
Also keep in mind that my index is meant to be a listing of resources, not a guide, per se. I've tried to add some additional info in the index to help folks along. But I can't claim to be an expert on every link (or anything close to an expert). For instance, when it come to root, I rooted way back on 1.73. So I've never even tried any subsequent root methods. Therefore I can't personally validate them, I can only try to comment on what I've read others post.
Not being a developer, the index is the one thing I give back to this community (along with random posts trying to help others). I'm completely open to suggestions to make the index better, and more up to date. I've already incorporated the suggestions you made earlier.
Cheers.