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I think its a good idea, Posted in these forums as its this development one i think it should be done on.
If this was done then i reckon there will be less bricking going on!
How hard is it to Read [Rom] ( 32b or 32a )
Plus, I make a few that is 32a roms with 32b, I'm not going to waste my time to manage 2 different threads, sorry that's how I feel.
I think as long as it is required for ROM posting threads to be clearly labeled [32A] OR [32B], that is good enough.
Isn't the only thing that can permanently brick your device the SPL? So we just need to split that to avoid confusion
yah... well
n00bs are n00bs and if your too dumb to read you deserve a bricked phone
that being said i think it would declutter forums slightly
i mean
theres split forums for cdma and gsm versions of devices
you think that different motherboards would be a big enough difference to split the forums ?
i dont care either way it would just make it less cluttered i think
Well you guys who have experience may not think its a good idea but what about people who want to learn and end up breaking phones? or like myself break a phone then get too scared to try again!
I am (was) new to this whole smartphone thing not so long ago, did my reading and research, SPL flash, ROM stuff, all went perfectly smoothly. Coming from another large tech forum with hundreds of new members daily, you will always get people who don't bother reading the stickies/guides/whatever. It's furstrating but that's just the way it is, not everyone have used an online forum before.
Perhaps a better idea would be for someone to volunteer to put together a complete guide as I often find information rather scattered around here. Yes there is a sapphire hacking wiki, but the threads it links to doesn't really explain stuff any better either. I managed to figure my way through though.
If you are willing to flash ur phone then you should be willing to read. and you should be reading the whole first post or two depending on how many the dev that opened the thread is using. Its just spreading out information. Already have to go back and fourth to dream and sapphire to make sure that we dont miss anything.
eugene373 said:
How hard is it to Read [Rom] ( 32b or 32a )
Plus, I make a few that is 32a roms with 32b, I'm not going to waste my time to manage 2 different threads, sorry that's how I feel.
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so can we not have a simple way of doing a title
cause this is what we get
[ROM] eViL HeRo v3.0 COMPLETE BFS 32B +/-A2SD [10/12/09-UPDATED]
[ROM](32A / 32B) Hero3G UNI Final w/ Theme Flavors 10/20/09
[ROM][32a] CyanogenMod 32a Port 4.1.9999 [update Oct 19] [Now with BFS 304!]
[Updated 10/17/09][ROM][32B/MT3G] OTPA Hero - v.1.4.1
[ROM] [32A & 32B] [10-Oct-2009] RAv1.6.2 - DONUT
[ROM][G1/MAGIC:32B] Hero by Maxisma v1.8 [13/OKT]
[Rom] [32b] Blur for MyTouch / G1 with Working BlueTooth 10/19/09
[ROM] KiNgxKxROM Version 1.9 "Not My Goodies" <10/17/09> 8:30pm PST
its a bit daunting for noobs
[ROM 32B] [ROM 32A] or [ROM](for either)
release name+system then version+date
so
it could look like this
[ROM] eViL HeRo v3.0 (10/12/09)
[ROM] Hero3G UNI Final (10/20/09)
[ROM32a] CyanogenMod 4.1.9999 (10/19/09)
[ROM32b]OTPA HERO v1.4.1 (10/17/09)
[ROM] RA DONUT v1.6.2 (10-Oct-2009)
[ROM] Maxisma Hero v1.81 (10/13/09)
[Rom32b] Blur for (10/19/09)
[ROM] KiNgxKxROM Hero v1.9 (10/17/09)
and all the new bits and stuff inside the post
we could split the whole Sapphire android development part into 2
1. working roms
2.dev roms beta roms and everything else
just an idea
I think this issue could be properly resolved simply by ensuring the threads are explicit. This means having the thread accurately titled, but also ensuring that the content (downloads) is explicitly labeled and maintained. Often times the title indicates both a 32a and 32b version available, but the actual content (the correct content) can be difficult to find in the posts.
personally id like split forums for ease of reading.
Its not that i cant get the correct rom it would be 10x easier if i knew a section would be devoted to 32A only.
That way i can scroll through all threads knowing these roms are available.
It would save time and im all for that =)
I completely agree with this. It'll prevent bricked phones. Its that simple.
Zarboz said:
yah... well
n00bs are n00bs and if your too dumb to read you deserve a bricked phone
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You might want to consider that it's not always a question of whether or not ppl are n00bs, but I'm sure there are 'more than 1' that have english as a second or maybe even third language...
Although english isn't difficult for me (as a second language), I have been reluctant to try a ROM here and there due to not quite catching if it was A or B.
Splitting the forum in A and B would be helpfull for the ones that aren't that skilled in the english language, but I'm sure 'tagging' the title of a ROM thread to ensure if it's A or B, like some already do would suffice
No!
i think myself and a alot of others have no issue in reading 32A 32B. alot of roms posted on here anyway are clearly labelled so i dont see what the issue is?
For those people who dont have their roms clearly labelled they should take note
It's been asked before, the same result came out of the poll as seems to be the case at the time of writing - but the request still got a blank.
Personally, I think there'd be more logic in making the existing Sapphire board a 32A board only, and merging the 32B area with the Dream area. ROM-wise, all you need to turn a Dream ROM into a dual Dream/32B ROM is to copy init.trout.rc to init.sapphire.rc. Job done. Basically the Dream is a Sapphire 32B with less internal storage plus a keyboard. Whereas the 32A is a rather different animal.
I say no
Their are ROMS that supports both and as long as the developer has whether it is a 32A or 32B is good enough. SPL's should be separated though.
Making the case for NAY
NOTE: I am brand new to smartphones, and recently had to go through the learning curve of how to fix the SPL, root and load new firmware. Not new to tech though.
It does not really matter what the users, especially the noobs want as it is mostly a development forum. Why should the devs have to got out of their way to cross post, monitor multiple forums and jump through hoops to help out someone who can't parse 32a or 32b out of a subject line. If someone cannot figure out how to do something to a fairly expensive, easily bricked, bit of electronics kit, then perhaps they should not be doing it.
It is reasonable to expect people to have a certain baseline of knowledge, or to do their homework (ie google for it) before doing something as complex as overwriting the firmware on a portable computer (which a smartphone most assuredly is).
Speaking as someone who has done support, run large support organizations, and been involved in tech for almost 40 years, it does not matter how tidily and nicely you present the info and how much you hand hold and spoon feed, people will continue to amaze you with stupid (as in the answer is in the title, let alone the body of the message) questions and new and novel ways to really mess up. You cannot find a way to presenting the info so people will not misunderstand or make mistakes. It is impossible to make things fool proof since fools are so good at what they do. Please lets not go down that rabbit hole...
If the site decides to put a bunch of posting rules in place to try and force posters to follow some rigid subject line and content standards, the doers (devs and senior folks who answer most of the questions) will just go somewhere else. They are doing this as a hobby.... and are sharing their work and unpaid support time because they enjoy it. Expecting them to adhere to your idea of "the right way of doing things", and especially to change what fundamentally is their dev forum is rather selfish and somewhat foolish... and doomed to failure.
I have watched a number or forums, newsgroups and BBSs (told you I was old) grow, become popular and then self destruct as latecomers decided to impose their vision of "how things should be done" or the signal to noise ratio just became to horrible as the demands for hand holding and help overwhelmed those trying to help and contribute.
bjtheone said:
NOTE: I am brand new to smartphones, and recently had to go through the learning curve of how to fix the SPL, root and load new firmware. Not new to tech though.
It does not really matter what the users, especially the noobs want as it is mostly a development forum. Why should the devs have to got out of their way to cross post, monitor multiple forums and jump through hoops to help out someone who can't parse 32a or 32b out of a subject line. If someone cannot figure out how to do something to a fairly expensive, easily bricked, bit of electronics kit, then perhaps they should not be doing it.
It is reasonable to expect people to have a certain baseline of knowledge, or to do their homework (ie google for it) before doing something as complex as overwriting the firmware on a portable computer (which a smartphone most assuredly is).
Speaking as someone who has done support, run large support organizations, and been involved in tech for almost 40 years, it does not matter how tidily and nicely you present the info and how much you hand hold and spoon feed, people will continue to amaze you with stupid (as in the answer is in the title, let alone the body of the message) questions and new and novel ways to really mess up. You cannot find a way to presenting the info so people will not misunderstand or make mistakes. It is impossible to make things fool proof since fools are so good at what they do. Please lets not go down that rabbit hole...
If the site decides to put a bunch of posting rules in place to try and force posters to follow some rigid subject line and content standards, the doers (devs and senior folks who answer most of the questions) will just go somewhere else. They are doing this as a hobby.... and are sharing their work and unpaid support time because they enjoy it. Expecting them to adhere to your idea of "the right way of doing things", and especially to change what fundamentally is their dev forum is rather selfish and somewhat foolish... and doomed to failure.
I have watched a number or forums, newsgroups and BBSs (told you I was old) grow, become popular and then self destruct as latecomers decided to impose their vision of "how things should be done" or the signal to noise ratio just became to horrible as the demands for hand holding and help overwhelmed those trying to help and contribute.
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You should def get the nobel peace prize for this one lol
Well I voted YES but so far the thread titles have been pretty good at stating what the ROM/content is meant for.
Maybe be just a standard or template for thread titles and first post is all we need?
I think it's a good idea to have 2 forums for different roms...
But it could be to something like:
[ROM][32B] blablabla (Date)
It would be a lot more easy to know when a rom was updated and for what system is 32B or 32A...
Like the thread title says,
why would SOME people insist on making something more complicated if there's no need.,
why can't there be separate forums for 32a and 32b phones?
because a lot of things are in common between the 2 and it was a stupid idea. If someone can't take the time to read whether a Rom is 32a or 32b in the title then they have no business modding their phone.
Wasn't there an existing thread on this subject??
Closed.
Dave
Here is the deal, i just got the my touch 3g. Its a BAMF phone with a lot of potential held back by factory BS and apps slowing the phone down. What is the best 32B rom that is pretty much a shell version of the Android OS with nothing special to it but has the cpu Mhz unlocked and as much RAM free'd up as possible?
I am also somewhat new to the whole rooting process. Can anyone shed some light on me on how to root and load the rom. I'm sure i can figure out how to root the phone from the step by step guides, its rom loading i am not to sure about.
If anyone could shed some light on me it would be much appreciated, i have searched quite a bit and couldn't find much in lamen terms. The only lamen rooting process has exceeded its bandwidth. I found the relentless rooter plus but that seems to be for the stock HTC MAGIC not the touch3g.
thx!
Cyanogen or Dwang
FirstNoobToBrickHisPhone said:
Cyanogen or Dwang
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Now that i've gotten that anything specific i should know this is what my phone reads from that skateboard screen.
SAPPHIRE PVT 32B SHIP S-ON G
HBOOT-1.33.0006 (SAPP30000)
CLPD-10
RADIO-2.22.19.26I
MAY 27 2009 19 06 41
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Now that i've gotten that anything specific i should know this is what my phone reads from that skateboard screen.
SAPPHIRE PVT 32B SHIP S-ON G
HBOOT-1.33.0006 (SAPP30000)
CLPD-10
RADIO-2.22.19.26I
MAY 27 2009 19 06 41
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That SPL (1.33.0006) is a "perfect" one, which you will need to change so you can access fastboot, and then a custom recovery, before you go about flashing a ROM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=548218
There is a how-to guide, although I think in some cases it is possible to do without a goldcard, but I'm not 100% sure on methods etc as I've never needed to personally.
What the f*** is this thread doing here and why does people even answer it ??
Threads like this is reason that some developers are leaving so please don't reply them. If people doesn't read the rules and follow them don't help!
ronni.rasmussen said:
What the f*** is this thread doing here and why does people even answer it ??
Threads like this is reason that some developers are leaving so please don't reply them. If people doesn't read the rules and follow them don't help!
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to the Dev's sorry i posted here, mods feel free to delete or move this thread.
to ronni, you're post is about as worthless as you and this post is. You realize posting your nonsense and garbage does absolutely nothing but add fuel to the fire.
Devs don't leave because of posts like this, they leave because forums have ass hats and waste of space like yourself. Forum/e-fighting bashing doesn't make your manhood bigger, so stop.
jdedeaux said:
to the Dev's sorry i posted here, mods feel free to delete or move this thread.
to ronni, you're post is about as worthless as you and this post is. You realize posting your nonsense and garbage does absolutely nothing but add fuel to the fire.
Devs don't leave because of posts like this, they leave because forums have ass hats and waste of space like yourself. Forum/e-fighting bashing doesn't make your manhood bigger, so stop.
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missing something here???
you say sorry and then say his post is worthless
explain?
why say sorry if the post had no meaning to you
also if you read the title
[SOFTWARE]Relentless Rooter for Magic/Mytouch perfected SPLs and donuts ITS HERE
i'm sure it says mytouch
sitimber said:
missing something here???
you say sorry and then say his post is worthless
explain?
why say sorry if the post had no meaning to you
also if you read the title
[SOFTWARE]Relentless Rooter for Magic/Mytouch perfected SPLs and donuts ITS HERE
i'm sure it says mytouch
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/endflamewar
Thanks for that link although I have it bookmarked already, im awaiting the OPs return to re upload the software to another server as the one it currently resides on has exceeded its bandwidth.
Ive done my homework i was just getting some users input in the wrong section
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/endflamewar
Thanks for that link although I have it bookmarked already, im awaiting the OPs return to re upload the software to another server as the one it currently resides on has exceeded its bandwidth.
Ive done my homework i was just getting some users input in the wrong section
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just keep up the reading and testing and you'll get where you want to be
good luck bro
jdedeaux said:
to the Dev's sorry i posted here, mods feel free to delete or move this thread.
to ronni, you're post is about as worthless as you and this post is. You realize posting your nonsense and garbage does absolutely nothing but add fuel to the fire.
Devs don't leave because of posts like this, they leave because forums have ass hats and waste of space like yourself. Forum/e-fighting bashing doesn't make your manhood bigger, so stop.
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What ever! Just read the rules and when you've been here long enough you might undestand my reaction. We get post's like this daily in this section and if you did your homework you would probably already found the answers to your questions!!!
Anyway just try out the different rom's made for your model and find the one there fits your needs the most.
Closed thread due to it becoming a flame war, plus the fact that its posted in wrong section.
Hi Guys
Could we perhaps create a sub-board where the actual ROMs are listed, and there is no threads on asking for help, or anything else, etc ... it's so hard to keep track of which threads are ROMs you can download because they aren't sticked?
I think it would be useful to have something like for the other phone boards as well?
As a side note, what do you guys think is the best ROM for a 32A magic at the moment ... Cyanogen, Eclair, etc?
Regards
Itai
http://db.androidspin.com/android_build_information.asp
Cool ... thanks for that ... definitely a help ... although they only have 1 ROM listed for the Magic 32A and 1 ROM for the Magic 32B if you search by phone
I still think it would be awesome to have a sub-forum here ... although I do realise I'm a new member with no influence ... but just an idea
You'll get used to it lol. It'd also help if you posted this in the right section. Not trying to sound too rude, but because of members like you, it's harder to see all the Roms in the Dev section.
KAwAtA said:
You'll get used to it lol. It'd also help if you posted this in the right section. Not trying to sound too rude, but because of members like you, it's harder to see all the Roms in the Dev section.
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Lol ... I think I put it in the right section seeing as my comment was directly related to the contents of this section
Can someone help me by noting some good 32B roms? All I see in the forums is mostly related to 32a
Popular 32B choices:
- St0kes AOSP 2.1 (I use this.)
- Cyanogen AOSP 2.1 (I haven't tried this.)
mate thanks for 2 roms links. well i will just say that there are many 32A roms. as compared to 32B so is it possible to port and use 32A roms in 32B by modifying something.?
ruk_design said:
mate thanks for 2 roms links. well i will just say that there are many 32A roms. as compared to 32B so is it possible to port and use 32A roms in 32B by modifying something.?
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why you can find all the 32b roms hiding in plain sight
it seems every month someone opens another thread asking this same redundant question - you obviously have not searched at all
alan090 said:
why you can find all the 32b roms hiding in plain sight
it seems every month someone opens another thread asking this same redundant question - you obviously have not searched at all
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well mate. thanks for your reply.. but why we use to get magic roms in G1 section. if there are some then they must be released in magic section too. so thats why i asked..
well thanks i will try to find...
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well mate. thanks for your reply.. but why we use to get magic roms in G1 section. if there are some then they must be released in magic section too. so thats why i asked..
well thanks i will try to find...
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because the MT3G and The dream are both the same hardware....
The reason you find 32a roms here is because we have different hardware for the better magics with more memory and some have the 3.5mm jack
if you have a 32b its because your provider would rather save money than give you a better phone
im not gonna rag on you man because i use not to know what the difference was but the g1 is 32b so if you got an old school mytouch like me just mostly stay on there. all those roms are for the first mytouch also this area is mostly for 32a mytouches (the one with the headphone jack). hope it helps!
then they should add mt3g to the g1 section and take it away from here. maybe say mt3g 1.2 or some **** like that
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then they should add mt3g to the g1 section and take it away from here. maybe say mt3g 1.2 or some **** like that
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Yeah, I don't think you can blame anyone for being confused about that. Until yesterday, all I knew was that I had a 32B, and also wondered where all the ROMs were for me. For all the people that are "sick of the same redundant question", a little switch in the title or a sticky in this section might help.
agreed.
this problem would go away if the forum description was changed.
nowhere in the G1 forum description does it mention HTC Magic.
you know where it does mention the HTC magic? that's right, in this very forum.
the fact that they are the same hardware (in some cases) is irrelevant.
the forum description tells members to come in here for all of their HTC Magic development needs. it makes no mention of the different hardware types.
i don't think anyone, particularly new members, should be blamed for making that mistake.
I think it should be also mentioned that this forum is for the HTC Sapphire in all it's forms, be it Magic or mytouch, and that moving anything to the Dream section is just going to cause more confusion. Should I really have to look in a totally different forum just because I have a 32B? Next you'll be trying to tell me to look elsewhere coz my Magic is pink. Seriously guys, there's being elitist, and there there's being plain stupid. The OP just needed to maybe learn a little bit more before posting a question, and many many many people are guilty of that.
ya mate thats true. because this confusion will always remain. so we request XDA to please add some little description about that little issue. and all rom cookers of G1 that they must use Magic or whatever with 32B support too if G1 roms are usable for Magic devices too. So no one will make this confusion again. Thats a simple issue which can be solved with little info and description.
i am so sorry if someone mind about my post. and also sorry for my bad english.
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ya mate thats true. because this confusion will always remain. so we request XDA to please add some little description about that little issue. and all rom cookers of G1 that they must use Magic or whatever with 32B support too if G1 roms are usable for Magic devices too. So no one will make this confusion again. Thats a simple issue which can be solved with little info and description.
i am so sorry if someone mind about my post. and also sorry for my bad english.
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I'm not the brightest girl at the best of times, but I managed to work it out, so did a lot of other people.
Nothing needs to be changed, people just need to learn to use the search function and read before they post a question.