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Fatal downgrade...

Hi there,
My currently installed Rom was RUU-Prophet-G4-AKU2.2-2.20-2.47.21-Jester-r1.exe. (thank you jester for you good job)
Nevertheless, this ROM is in English and I wanted to downgrade to a French One before the selling of my device.
I have tried to install the downgrade kit detailed in this topic : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=267344
The first step went OK but while trying to make the secnd step, my qtek is blocked at the boot splash screen showing the Jesterz picture and red information about the SPL and so on on the upper left corner... without starting... The USB connexion is not detected so I can't do anything... While trying to install any ROM, the USB connection is not detected ang I get an error message...
Did I kill my phone ?
Please help ! Tell me that it's not dead....

Don't worry, its nowhere close to being dead. If you have superCid, then use the SD card image to restore in bootloader mode. However, if the Cid is locked, then you would need a utility that can unlock Cid without Activesync mode (coz in your case, you would not be able to get an Activesync connection). imei-check.co.uk has a utility ($38 i guess) that unlocks Cid in bootloader.--- else show it to a professional. (in my country, I would have to shell out around $20 to get such a problem fixed at a mobile repair shop)

illanz said:
... The USB connexion is not detected so I can't do anything... While trying to install any ROM, the USB connection is not detected ang I get an error message...
Did I kill my phone ?
Please help ! Tell me that it's not dead....
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Just take out the battery for about 10 minutes and re-insert. If it does not re-start, do a soft resert with the stylus and hopefully you should be fine

Hy,please help!
after downgrade, it doesnt work anymore.... i mean... i cant start the mobile!
after the downgrade i disable the USB data cable and now the mobile is dead... it doesnt starts from the ON/OFF Button and even if i connect the USB cable it makes nothing! No Led on... nothing! absolutly DEAD!!!

I have tried to put off the battery all night long with no result.. but I have achieved to reach the bootloader mode by pressing the camera button while soft reseting and keeping the camera button pushed...
OMG, I have been so scared ! ! !

Try this in order to reach the bootloader:
Hold down the camera button and reset the device. (Boot Loader Mode is: Press Camara + Soft Reset, then release soft reset and KEEP PRESSING camara button till appear the Boot Loader.)

it doesnt work

I seem to have a simular problem. this is my post in another topic. It seems to fit better here.
This is what I tired so far:....
I used the RUU_Prophet_2151327_21513121_021921_DOP_ASIA_WWE_S hip-NoVendorID and it often hangs and was slow with Push Email over GPRS.
I tried to find a way to downgrade but hadn't had time sofar. When I logged on XDA Developers Site I saw there was a new Image.
So I thought Great I dont need to find how to downgrade.
I don't know what G4 and G3 is so as everybody let's try the higest best one.
I uploaded the RUU-Prophet-G4-AKU3.3-Jester-b1
Wrong...
Now as previously stated I get to the multicolor screen with IPL 2.09 and the SPL 2.20..0001 on the screen and that's it.
I can get to the bootloader and load the same image again and get the same result.
I can load another image on and it loads to 80 Percent and says error [326] Invalid Command This NBF cannot be used with your PDA Phone. Please check your NBF file.
If I try an older Version it tells me upgrad only
And when I try to upload the G3 version it tells me error[300] invalid upgrade tool. This upgrade utility canot be used for your PDA Phone. Please get newer Upgrade utility.
Trying to use the nf.nbf or the G3 with the ROMUpdateUtility_NoID of the G4 doesn't work either.
If I would like to do the downgrade tool I need a Active Sync connection which I don't have.
I have no more thoughts. Please Help.

If you would have just read the forums better you would have known if your device is a G3 or a G4. (read this!).
Now it appears you have tried both for an update. Which may possibly have bricked your phone.
But... first things first. Can you get into the bootloader? (read wiki HERE on how to do that).
If you can still get into the bootloader then there is still a possibility for updating.
Try upgrading with the latest Qtek rom (note: this is an official rom, this one works for both G3 and G4! And since it's the latest you should be able to upgrade to this one).
Instructions quoted from another post of me:
You could try the 2.20 qtek rom which seems to be working well for quite some people (found here).
Although you have to make sure you read that thread good and use the ROMUpdateUtility_NoID.exe (found here ) to upgrade.
Update instructions:
1: With the qtek 2.20 rom you need to extract the zip and the exe file in the zip with WinRAR.
2: Then there is one folder called 'OutputFile' and a folder called 'RUU_TOOLS'.
Inside the RUU_TOOLS there is prophet and in that one WWE, when you go through them and in the WWE folder you see a bunch of files (readme.doc, enterbootloader.exe etc etc).
You need to copy ROMUpdateUtility_NoID.exe to the WWE folder with all the files. And you also need to copy the 'nk.nbf' file to the WWE folder (from the 'OutputFile' folder).
3: And then you need to put your phone in bootloader mode and run ROMUpdateUtility_NoID.exe to upgrade, which should work nicely then.
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This should give you a good enough idea of what to do. This should work (new rom combined with no NoID updater).
However, if it's impossible to get yourself into the bootloader your options of upgrading your device are getting smaller.
Downgrading of a complete rom is only possible on a CID unlocked G3 (when it's CID unlocked you would know! because you would have done that yourself) and not on a G4 device.
Flasing a G3 device with a G4 rom or G4 device with a G3 rom might possibly turn your phone into a brick. This can easily be avoided by reading the forums properly and know what you are doing.
If anything (even if it's a small thing) is not completely clear to you about upgrading/downgrading your device I'd recommend not doing so.
edit: oh yeah... if you have a G4 device (which you should know by now) you cannot downgrade from this rom (well, only via a payed online service). And when you have a G3 device you could try and CID unlock it (read wiki + forums) before you want to downgrade, or don't downgrade at all.
But whatever you do, don't try to downgrade it without doing any of those things because you'll get into trouble. (to put it down bluntly)

illanz said:
I have tried to put off the battery all night long with no result.. but I have achieved to reach the bootloader mode by pressing the camera button while soft reseting and keeping the camera button pushed...
OMG, I have been so scared ! ! !
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If you have reached the bootloader screen, just run my installer (or any official ROM) to get your phone working again.

My Prophet Died
I need help, to restore my Prophet, i upgrade wrong rom, i need will try the SD Backup, where can i see this process ?
Sorry my Inglish is too bad.

I've merged a couple of threads under this one, as they are all about the same problem (mostly)
Opening a new thread for the same problem isnt very useful

Hi RaptorRVL
Thank you very much for your patience in resuming all this for me.
I do try to read the forum but it isn't like a manual where you find the procedure stepby step. Like the G3 and G4 version I have newer come across until now. Sorry.
I tried the image you metioned and I have the result that at 80% it tells me error [326] Invalid Command This NBF cannot be used with your PDA Phone. Please check your NBF file
Any more thoughts?
As you seem to be an expert Can you let me know more about goldcard solution.
Cheers
Mick

From a readme I once found inside an update:
* ERROR [320~328] : INVALID COMMAND
These errors seldom occur. However, if one of these errors occur, it could not be recovered and the device had to be sent back to the customer service center. In this case, you have to flash a new ROM code.
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Doesn't sound too good really. Maybe someone else here on the forums know what to do with this error :/
You did use the ROMUpdateUtility_NoID.exe and not the normal updater right? Can remember someone getting a similar error when using the wrong updater, but I'm not sure about that though...
edit: try doing a search on the prophet forums for "INVALID COMMAND" maybe there is a helpful post in there somewhere...

THANKS!! I was worried b/c i had the same problem today. I've been looking for so many threads abt this problem. Thanks for ur help guys!

same problem
so i have the same problem. I want to downgrade and it break at 95% invalid file. But now XDA is still alive. I can`t go into the bootloader but i tried this file: RUU_Prophet_220734_2207114_024721_NVID.exe
and now my Prophet is still running again. Hope i can help you. Good luck.
peter paul
P.S. sorry for my english, but its good to learn it again

HELP!! Cant use my Wizard anymore

Hi guys i'm pretty new in this scene and i did something stupid...
i've downloaded Win Mobile 6 from usenet and installed it without reading
anything. At 95% of the installation it hangs and when i try to recover it doesnt work. Now i only have the screen with the green red and blue at the background. I've tried a hard reset but that doesnt work either and i tried to search by google and found nothing.
Am i right that i had to remove some kind of G4 lock? And does somebody know how to help me getting things started again.....
thnx in advance.
greetz
JohnGotti

do your carriers flash and let it fully finish. Once thats done, read a little on making sure your device is unlocked and once you get that done, youll be ready to move to the next level.
what your device is g3 or g4?

how do i perform such a flash and how can i see what kind of G3/4 i have??

If you got a G4 or G3 IPL/SPL 2.x:
Try flasing wizard_love rom from the bootloader screen.
If you got IPL/SPL 1.x:
flash button_rom from the bootloader screen.

damn thats a whole mouth full and i dont get it how its intended.....
perhaps you can tell me in dutch or in a language a stupid fool can understand

JohnGotti said:
damn thats a whole mouth full and i dont get it how its intended.....
perhaps you can tell me in dutch or in a language a stupid fool can understand
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See you're private messages!

ok thank you

i have the same problem..and i've tried all versions,RUU_mUn_aRTM_10_2_0_8_WWEx.exe, Wizard_Love_2[1].26.10.2_WWE_Novii_CF2.exe, Molski[1].Biz_AKU3.3_21911_8MB_Crossbow.rar...and now when i open it, shows me for 1 second the bootloader screen, and then it's shutting down himself..what should I do???

ady_uaic said:
i have the same problem..and i've tried all versions,RUU_mUn_aRTM_10_2_0_8_WWEx.exe, Wizard_Love_2[1].26.10.2_WWE_Novii_CF2.exe, Molski[1].Biz_AKU3.3_21911_8MB_Crossbow.rar...and now when i open it, shows me for 1 second the bootloader screen, and then it's shutting down himself..what should I do???
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You should provide more information... What phone model is this? Is it a G3 or G4? What is your IPL / SPL? What did you do before this started happening? Was the battery fully charged before you started this process? Did your PC give you errors when you tried to do teh initial flash that started this process?
The more information you provide the better we can help.
If your phone won't stay turned on when its on the bootloader (rainbow screen) then either your battery is almost dead, or you may have bricked your phone. But we need more details.

this happened to me once, i almost had an heart attack.. but anyway.. what u get there is the bootloader mode, which is you can still save the phone.. when this happened to me, all i did was, i upgraded to original tmobile rom, and from there i ve used shell tool to upgrade to wm6 (my wizard is not unlocked but shelltool takes care of that and u dont have to worry).. its really easy.. let me know what happened.. no worries

Dont worry guys... I think most of us here, faced the same things before, Me included.
Everybody here is quite nice and will help u in any way we can..
Just do some research and fact finding before u flash your rom..
One of the article that I think is very helpful to me is Dr P post on how to unlock and flash your wizard.
If you have any problem or question after reading that, just ask.
Hopefully u can find your answer and your wizard are all healthy..

mfrazzz said:
You should provide more information... What phone model is this? Is it a G3 or G4? What is your IPL / SPL? What did you do before this started happening? Was the battery fully charged before you started this process? Did your PC give you errors when you tried to do teh initial flash that started this process?
The more information you provide the better we can help.
If your phone won't stay turned on when its on the bootloader (rainbow screen) then either your battery is almost dead, or you may have bricked your phone. But we need more details.
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my phone is G4...first, when i tryed to change the rom, on 95% was blocked..and i have wait about 20 minutes, and nothing...the spl is....01...the battery was quite full, but after several tries, i don't know now how it is (i supose to be from the battery, but i still need a very good rom for it)

ok.. here are the steps.. its very easy.. i had the samething..
your phone is probably CID locked and you will need a shelltool to install that ROM.. so what you need to do is just download the original tmobile ROM.. and connect the phone and install the original ROM.. You didnt birck the phone because you get the bootloader screen.. which means, you can still save the phone..
anyway.. connect the phone via usb and install after you install the original wm5, download the shelltool from here and follow the instructions.. and install the ROM via shelltool.. Then you should be good to go with the new
wm6.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...ght=CID+unlock

ok, but where can i get that original rom?

rom
ady_uaic said:
ok, but where can i get that original rom?
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if you cant get the tmobile rom
use the wizard love rom you can get it from here http://rapidshare.com/users/EXGZ7T
flash this rom not using the shell tool once flashed the use the shell tool following all the instructions and it should work

now i've installed RUU_mUn_aRTM_10_2_0_8_WWEx.exe (i've tried and that version also, but same situation) and after reflashing, it shows me windows mobile screen, and then restart the phone...what should I do??? i've tried many roms...could someone please give me an original rom, in english?

ady_uaic said:
now i've installed RUU_mUn_aRTM_10_2_0_8_WWEx.exe (i've tried and that version also, but same situation) and after reflashing, it shows me windows mobile screen, and then restart the phone...what should I do??? i've tried many roms...could someone please give me an original rom, in english?
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Simple: Go to the Wizard Upgrading forum and in the stickies is a post by Dr. Putingham on how to CID Unlock your device. Scroll to the bottom of the first post and there is a direct link to pull the Tmobile 2.26 official ROM.
But as EasyMob suggested (and gave a link to) you may be better off with teh Wizard Love rom since you are a G4 device. Wizard Love ROM is very good at recovering G4 devices.

mfrazzz said:
Simple: Go to the Wizard Upgrading forum and in the stickies is a post by Dr. Putingham on how to CID Unlock your device. Scroll to the bottom of the first post and there is a direct link to pull the Tmobile 2.26 official ROM.
But as EasyMob suggested (and gave a link to) you may be better off with teh Wizard Love rom since you are a G4 device. Wizard Love ROM is very good at recovering G4 devices.
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OK..I'm agree with you, but please understand: I've tried that version too...same situation...please give me the link with the Tmobile 2.26 official ROM

ady_uaic said:
please give me the link with the Tmobile 2.26 official ROM
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If you read my previous post, I gave you exactly how to find the link (Hint, its in the first post of Dr. Putingham's sticky in the Wizard Upgrading forum and the title is about How to CID Unlock your device. Was that too hard?

i believe you, but i can't find it...and about 3 days i'm hopeless, because with any ROM version, the phone is still restarting, after reflashing (i didn't flash it with tmobile original rom)...please please, give me the link of the topic...

Help! I can't flash my beta Kaiser

Hi, I bought an unused Kaiser, but it's a beta testing model. It works fine, aside from a few small annoying hiccups. I tried to flash the rom using the instructions kindly provided on the Wiki. Hard SPL will not work. I get a connection error at the end everytime. I tried running the Factory Shipped ROM form HTC, but an error says that I can't flash using this. Has anyone come across this before? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I didn't know this error but I think every body has get the unlock device using these files in attached.
I hope this will help you to solve this problem.
(Rename the files ".rar")
Ciao.

ribcage said:
Hi, I bought an unused Kaiser, but it's a beta testing model. It works fine, aside from a few small annoying hiccups. I tried to flash the rom using the instructions kindly provided on the Wiki. Hard SPL will not work. I get a connection error at the end everytime. I tried running the Factory Shipped ROM form HTC, but an error says that I can't flash using this. Has anyone come across this before? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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It makes sense to dump your beta SPL before you install hard-SPL
pmemdump 0x8c000000 0x40000 spl-beta.bin
(pmemdump is part of itsme's itsutils, do a search first)

I did a search for pmemdump, but nothing came up...

max.tytn said:
I didn't know this error but I think every body has get the unlock device using these files in attached.
I hope this will help you to solve this problem.
(Rename the files ".rar")
Ciao.
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I tried the files, thanks for posting them. Still no joy. It just won't finish the sequence.

be careful...
Don't forget that you could ruin the device. Unless someone who knows what they're talking about says to do something, I would consider using the device as is or maybe asking HTC direct (even though that might be of zero help)

yi3o8 said:
Don't forget that you could ruin the device. Unless someone who knows what they're talking about says to do something, I would consider using the device as is or maybe asking HTC direct (even though that might be of zero help)
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Wise advice.
I think it was POF who posted the info for the Hermes pre-production units. Maybe wait until he reads this thread. I won't say pm him because I expect he gets thousands of personal requests for help.
This link (for info only) shows how HERMES pre-production units were flashed - basically using the SD card method. It might be worth trying SD card flashing (link here for Kaiser) - but the instructions need you to be hardSPL first.
Let us know if it works out ok.

Many thanks for the helpful responses and the sound warnings. I have contacted HTC directly, but they weren't very helpful. They sent me detailed instructions on how to "soft" and "hard" reset the device. I'll take your advice and let the thread run for a while. The unit is functioning well, with only minor annoyances. I'll certainly post the outcome, and again, thanks.

ribcage said:
I did a search for pmemdump, but nothing came up...
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download itsutils here

yes please dump this...strange you are having problems flashing since most preproduction units are superSPL and arent locked in any sort of way...who did you buy this from who said it was a beta version?

Doug2873 said:
yes please dump this...strange you are having problems flashing since most preproduction units are superSPL and arent locked in any sort of way...who did you buy this from who said it was a beta version?
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I bought the unit on ebay. The seller said it was a beta, but that it functioned perfectly. When it boots up, the opening screen says "IU BUILD TEST ONLY" over the HTC logo. It also said BETA at the botom right of the home screen, but KarhU helped me to get rid of that with reg edit. The unit does work well, but it's slightly unstable and a few functions, like word completion, don't work at all.

regarding goldcard creation

I am deciding to take the plunge and root my phone. what I am curious about is whether or not I can create a goldcard on a 1 gb sc card. I have scoured google and searched the forums and cannot find an explicit answer to this question. If anyone has some insight I would greatly appreciate it

youngalumni said:
I am deciding to take the plunge and root my phone. what I am curious about is whether or not I can create a goldcard on a 1 gb sc card. I have scoured google and searched the forums and cannot find an explicit answer to this question. If anyone has some insight I would greatly appreciate it
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I believe that you can do it on anything upto 4gb? either way I used the 2gb card which came with my phone without a problem

i've created on 512mb
it doesn't matter the size, it must be fat32 formatted...and you have to follow instructions which you can find here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572683

What I don't understand is - what's a goldcard?
Sorry for my stupid question, but I allways see "goldcard here, goldcard there"... but what's it??
Is it an SDCard which is able to self run flashing a particular radio/SPL? Can you use it with a perfected SPL? If yes, why don't all just use this method? And also, in case of brick, can it be used to unbrick it? (Dis)advantages?
Thanks

Excellent!!! I'm doing this today. the only other question I have is whether it would be easier for me to do this on windows 7 or my ubuntu partition?

elegos said:
What I don't understand is - what's a goldcard?
Sorry for my stupid question, but I allways see "goldcard here, goldcard there"... but what's it??
Is it an SDCard which is able to self run flashing a particular radio/SPL? Can you use it with a perfected SPL? If yes, why don't all just use this method? And also, in case of brick, can it be used to unbrick it? (Dis)advantages?
Thanks
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Yep, it is. It doesn't work with every single perfected SPL though
People always use brick incorrectly. If you brick it, your phone is dead, gone, not usable. You effed it up completely and the only way to restore it is to like mess with hardware.
In the case though, where you soft brick it (for example: no ENG spl and you need to flash an RUU or w/e to get it working again) then you'll need a goldcard. Just do what you do and get an ENG SPL in and you won't need a goldcard. With ENG SPL, You can do fastboot commands, which does wonders =)
If it helps, you guys can only really brick your phone if you play with radio and SPL. So while your rooting it, I'll just let you know (This gave me peace of mind..) Don't be nervous, I was the first time! Then I found out you can only brick it if you don't follow instructions and put on the wrong spl/radio.
youngalumni said:
Excellent!!! I'm doing this today. the only other question I have is whether it would be easier for me to do this on windows 7 or my ubuntu partition?
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Hmm.. I remember reading somewhere that windows 7 causes problems. But that may be for RUU stuff, so give it a try! If it doesn't work, move on over to ubuntu. It should work fine in windows 7 though!

yeah I figured out the windows 7 issue with hot sync and the adb...
im past that. the only isue i am having right now is with the goldcard. from the looks of it i am golden i have a serial but when i type the next command in the instructions
Code:
cat sys\class\mmc_host\mmc1\mmc1:*\cid
im getting a file not found error...
do i need to put my formatted sd card in my phone? or is the info i need physically on the phone?

ok sorry about wasting space and time by asking questions that I was able to figure out. but the only issue i have now is that i flashed the fender rom from theunlockr.com it gets to the android boot screen and now its blank. should i try another rom?

done. thank you

Anti break and Downgrade to 1.32 without goldcard and pc connection

Sry for bad English.
this work for all Desire HD devices such as branded device and ect
Now a downgrade method has arrived! After this process, you can use any root (+ S-OFF) method you want. Basically your device will be just like any other Desire HD with older build version.
1- Get stock 1.32 PD98IMG.zip ROM
2- format microSD as FAT32 (I suggest that the mirror can format with Memory Reader)
3- Download the attached file and extract it
4- Put PD98IMG.zip and attached file to your SD card
5- take the phone to boot loader (I suggested at the first turn off the phone battery click here again, in memory instead of its own And hold volume down button and turn on phone) and wait to be installed ROM.

What is this? That text has been copied almost completely from my downgrade guide.

pls put link

It is a sticky here in XDA. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905003

) this works diffrently and you don't need to any goldcard or pc conection.

The link is copied from the original thread.
Don't you need to trick the phone a lower version number if you have 1.72 installed in order to Update to a lower version number? eg. Cable connected from Phone to PC and the steps in the original thread?

That is right, this guide is fake, troll or something like that.

Jenxie said:
The link is copied from the original thread.
Don't you need to trick the phone a lower version number if you have 1.72 installed in order to Update to a lower version number? eg. Cable connected from Phone to PC and the steps in the original thread?
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No. if you have 1.72 or highier you can downgrade easily.

jkoljo said:
That is right, this guide is fake, troll or something like that.
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Why fake?? it's Work very well and it's better than your way. try it

it work great, thanks

WOWWWWW!
You're the man!!!
Incredible, worked like a charm.
So easy, so quick, so perfect..... I don't know why people speak without know about.
Thanks guy!!!
PD: can it be implemented like a new method to flash radio and roms? <- maybe a noob question....

kaotiko said:
You're the man!!!
Incredible, worked like a charm.
So easy, so quick, so perfect..... I don't know why people speak without know about.
Thanks guy!!!
PD: can it be implemented like a new method to flash radio and roms? <- maybe a noob question....
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Haha clearly OP, wow this thread is funny.

may be speaking out of term here, but can anyone else confirm as the only ones to "confirm" this method works all write in the same "style" of english

If i'm on gingerbread (CM7) can I flash this and it'll be me back to stock firmware? (first version released?)

andywright1982 said:
may be speaking out of term here, but can anyone else confirm as the only ones to "confirm" this method works all write in the same "style" of english
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Sorry for my english, I'm from spain ....
I see that you did not tried this method... then .... Why would discredit the work of another person without knowing?
I've tried it and it has worked perfect for me.
I'm not used to write much in the forums, but when i do it i try to know what I'm talking about.
I hope you can understand my poor and maybe ridiculous english.

Alright, I stand corrected, it seems to work for some people. The question is, does it work for people without S-OFF. Because that is what the downgrade is for, and people here just seem to be interested in going from higher custom builds to stock.
So, can someone with branded stock phone confirm this?

Thread close while this gets investigated....
@jkoljo...would you mind PMing this member and try to sort it out? I would get involved if you need me too
Cheers,
M_T_M
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