Related
Hi guys!
Well, after suffering for a few years with the pains of a Windows-based phone (I haven't used WM6.1, yet. Only 6), I bought an iPhone yesterday.
And you know what?
It reallllly sucks, as compared to a Windows Mobile device.
Yes, the user interface is gorgeous and all, but oh my, I miss so many of my HTC's features, it's not even funny!
So, the iPhone is on Craigslist now!
Now, here is a question for you, if I may............
As a big fan of the 8125, and a bigger fan of the 8525...
...what would you say is the new state-of-the-art device now for me?
Is the 8925/TyTn II the way to go?
That was the "in" device about 6 months ago, last time I checked.
Perhaps I am a bit behind the times.
I always trust fellow XDA Windows Mobile device users for their input...
...so, before I start reading all the various websites out there...
I am asking you guys for some quick pointers in the right direction.
BOY this iPhone is a TOY, next to my 8525!!!!
Thanks!!!
M
I went from a tytn to a motorola q9, and I was missing so many PPC things.... so I got a Tytn II and I used it for about 3 months, its a great phone, but I really liked the thinnes of the moto, so I got the diamond and I am really happy with it so far... IMHO the qwerty keyboard on the diamond is much better than the iphone since you have to press more(you can travel between keys without lifting your finger)
Interesting.
I realllly think that a keyboard is important to me.
Put a VGA screen.. THAT is something interesting to me.
The 8925 (I don't think) has a VGA screen. Too bad.
With a slide out keyboard... is there anything more advanced than the 8925??
The Touch Pro, which is waiting for release any day now. I feel that winmo7 is just months away to maybe 1/2 a year away, and that it will prob. require new hardware, can you deal with your 8525 until then?
The Touch Pro is coming very soon (next few months)
http://wmpoweruser.com/?tag=htc-touch-pro
Surur
yeah, the touch pro will be the way to go...the 8525 can handle things till then!!!
WOW!
VERY nice!
That Touch Pro is gonna cost a pretty penny, isn't it?
Keyboard... VGA screen... The works!
Yup, I think that will be my next PPC.
The 8525 can wait until then. I'm just a bit bored.
I am eager to install 6.1, but it's been so long since I did the firmware and a full re-install, that it's going to take me a full day to start re-reading the wikis, finding the best ROM, and so forth.
It's just a shame to do this, when I know a new one is around the corner.
But it does look like the Touch Pro is the one to get!
So, I will hang on for now!
UNLESS the 8925's are really cheap!
Thanks guys!
Sorry to waist a post but man I haven't been this impressed with a device since I got my iPAQ hx4700 a few years ago. I gave up VGA to go to a good phone device (TyTN) and then I ugraded to the TyTN II to get built-in GPS last year. This phone is rediculous!!! I finally have it all!!!
rdtce said:
Sorry to waist a post but man I haven't been this impressed with a device since I got my iPAQ hx4700 a few years ago. I gave up VGA to go to a good phone device (TyTN) and then I ugraded to the TyTN II to get built-in GPS last year. This phone is rediculous!!! I finally have it all!!!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Congratulations!!
rdtce said:
Sorry to waist a post but man I haven't been this impressed with a device since I got my iPAQ hx4700 a few years ago. I gave up VGA to go to a good phone device (TyTN) and then I ugraded to the TyTN II to get built-in GPS last year. This phone is rediculous!!! I finally have it all!!!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is how i felt when i got my phone! Only difference is i've never been this impressed with a phone and i've had the wizard, tytn, tytn II, motorola mpx 200, motorola mpx220, htc vox, and the qtek 8310(which had an excellent screen). The touch pro is fast, pretty, and finger friendly. I LOVE IT
*MAD*
How dare you doing this to me.... ????
Now I really get impatient on getting my hands on a Touch Pro... still waiting for the localized device here in Germany to be released....
You are soooooooooooooooooo mean... I hate you!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
...just cannot wait any longer ...
Jorlin said:
*MAD*
How dare you doing this to me.... ????
Now I really get impatient on getting my hands on a Touch Pro... still waiting for the localized device here in Germany to be released....
You are soooooooooooooooooo mean... I hate you!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
...just cannot wait any longer ...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You haven't got one Jorlin? Please change your avatar
PGLion said:
You haven't got one Jorlin? Please change your avatar
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I won't
You didn't waist a post, and you didn't waste a post either
Hey Jorlin,
same with me: I am still waiting for tghis device to come to Germany with a German OS and hardware keyboard ... O2 said it would last until 2nd week of September (!) and the news about the unbranded HTC device aren't that much better ... Hope the Xperia won't drop in between, or else I might get confused again wether to go for HTC or to SE ... Anyway, lucky you, that have the Touch Pro yet!!!
Eriol
I felt the same. I 've never been this much impressed with a WM device before. And I was never a fan of keyboard, up until I got Touch Pro. I had iPAQ 3850, HP2700, Trinity, TyTn II, Touch Cruise and even Diamond (which will be up for sale shortly). I liked the diamond's size, but couldn't live with short battery life, poor signal reception and to some extent lack of microSD. Therefore, bough HTC Touch PRO and even though it is heavier and thicker than diamond, it beats diamond hands down on every aspect, except size ofcouse. Keyboard is a pleasure to use and brilliant. I will not have a device again without keyboard again .....
dr_s said:
I felt the same. I 've never been this much impressed with a WM device before. And I was never a fan of keyboard, up until I got Touch Pro. I had iPAQ 3850, HP2700, Trinity, TyTn II, Touch Cruise and even Diamond (which will be up for sale shortly). I liked the diamond's size, but couldn't live with short battery life, poor signal reception and to some extent lack of microSD. Therefore, bough HTC Touch PRO and even though it is heavier and thicker than diamond, it beats diamond hands down on every aspect, except size ofcouse. Keyboard is a pleasure to use and brilliant. I will not have a device again without keyboard again .....
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Glad to hear that selling my Tytn II for a T PRO was a smart choice. I had a IPAQ 6955 (slowest PDA phone ever), Eten X500+ (was alright but no keyboard), and a Tytn II. I couldn't even use the IPAQ for phone calls cause the device took so long to wake up when a call was coming through.
According to FedEX, I should have my T PRO before 12 PM tomorrow!
Mine has just arrived in the post . Been playing with it a little. Had a problem with the screen protector, got the sticky side dirty . Almost impossible to clean.
Other than that though... WOW. I love this thing. No tweaks or anything, and so far very responsive and so many things to do with it (im new to WM ).
10/10 so far. I hope its stays a 10/10 with long term use
Jiggs1337 said:
I hope its stays a 10/10 with long term use
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah... let us know how it turns out. From my experience you will learn to live very well will shortcomings since often you will realize that the sum of advantages still outruns other devices... I hope it is that way with the PRO
Well I have extensive experience with WM and you are starting out with a great device. You will never appreciate what some of us went though wihtout a "touch friendly" environment. LOL, enjoy my friend
mallman said:
Well I have extensive experience with WM and you are starting out with a great device. You will never appreciate what some of us went though wihtout a "touch friendly" environment. LOL, enjoy my friend
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Mallman is speaking the truth!!!!!! WM has never been touch friendly at all and now i never even need the stylus and i have chubby fingers.
I currently have an 8525 and am due to upgrade in a couple months. I admit I am very dissapointed that att isn't picking up the diamond. I like it. Moreover, I like how the site is full of cleaned up roms!! I never really liked my phone until I flashed my first rom and it sped up incredibly.
So, my question is this. I was looking at the LG insight and I kinda liked it. Does anyone know if there is a site for that phone that has roms?
I got over them not getting the diamond. I held hope for the Omnia. Now im just pissed. I think the Incite was a bad choice and I can only conclude they must have gotten it cheap compared to the omnia or diamond. I heard the GPS may not be working well too, I would have to confirm that.
The diamond or omnia are just so much better yet ATT goes with the incite? sigh.
I would google some reviews before you make a decesion.
I ended up with a treo pro in the end anyway. Its a compromise, keyboard but small screen.
AT&T got the raphael, bold, and the iphone. i'd say that's about as good a lineup you could ask for. just ask my fellow friends at tmobile and we'll say you're a bunch lucky ducks
Insights on the Incite
papageoff said:
. . . So, my question is this. I was looking at the LG insight and I kinda liked it. Does anyone know if there is a site for that phone that has roms?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
kapster said:
. . . I think the Incite was a bad choice and I can only conclude they must have gotten it cheap compared to the omnia or diamond. I heard the GPS may not be working well too, I would have to confirm that. . .
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have an Incite. My observations:
1) screen is beautiful for a device that's not VGA - much sharper than the Tilt, and the Incite Today Screen plugin looks quite nice.
2) The jogwheel on the side is a nice feature.
3) I don't like the vibrate-touch feature, but it can be turned off.
4) Pandora is awesome, but AT&T wants to stick you for $8.95/mo on the Incite, where it is free on iPhone. Unfortunately, the Pandora.exe file won't display properly on either a Tilt or a Fuze, which brings up:
5) Many programs of standard dimensions (240x320), especially games, won't display properly. For instance, Battery Status options can't all be accessed.
6) GPS will not communicate with the iGuidance GPS software I use, although GPSTest works.
7) Using the landscape keyboard is nearly impossible because it takes up so much of the screen that only one line of type is visible. The Portrait SureType-style keyboard is fine.
8) The dialer is very good looking and easy to use.
All in all, a pretty good first WinMo offering from LG, IMHO, but not cutting-edge.
You could get an Unlocked Diamond and put your at&t sim card in it...
or just get the touch pro the thickness really isnt an issue
i came from an 8525 so much better and smaller
Hi guys!
Well, after four FUZE's.... for me, my partner, and two employees, it seems like it's time for an upgrade.
I've a blast with NATF's 4 series ROMS, and after about a year, I'm looking for a new device.
I noticed that the Touch Pro has the same CPU as our trusty Raphs, so I am not thrilled with that.
I find my device rather sluggish. It's not terrible, but... well... you know how it is!
So... Does anyone have any experience with a newer device? Maybe the Touch Pro 2 IS a big improvement (better resolution / tilt keyboard...), but it doesn't appear that way.
Thoughts are most definitely welcome.
I need to order another device, and right now, I just can't think of anything beyond yet another Fuze.
I'd love to hear what you guys have to say! I'm itching for a new device!
Thanks!
Mike
i don't find it that sluggish...
iPhone now? or the Palm Pre?
If your TP is sluggish, are you running the rom that came with the phone?
Mine was, until I discovered the cooked 6.5 roms back in May. I've flashed mine dozens of times. The 2303x builds are LIGHTNING fast, and depending on who you get it from, 99% of them are rock stable.
Pop over to the rom section, read the "flashing guide for Newbies" and then check out some of the great roms. These guys put in a LOT of time making the WM software better, and NO CARRIER BLOATWARE.
Michael_514 said:
Hi guys!
Well, after four FUZE's.... for me, my partner, and two employees, it seems like it's time for an upgrade.
I've a blast with NATF's 4 series ROMS, and after about a year, I'm looking for a new device.
I noticed that the Touch Pro has the same CPU as our trusty Raphs, so I am not thrilled with that.
I find my device rather sluggish. It's not terrible, but... well... you know how it is!
So... Does anyone have any experience with a newer device? Maybe the Touch Pro 2 IS a big improvement (better resolution / tilt keyboard...), but it doesn't appear that way.
Thoughts are most definitely welcome.
I need to order another device, and right now, I just can't think of anything beyond yet another Fuze.
I'd love to hear what you guys have to say! I'm itching for a new device!
Thanks!
Mike
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Get an iPhone. Duh!
On a serious note, it depends on whether you want to stay on the Windows Mobile platform or not, and whether you still want a physical keyboard or not. If you don't mind giving all touch-screen a try, then consider getting the Touch Pro HD (HTC Blackstone). I've heard great things about it, and it looks absolutely lovely. Otherwise, the only real upgrade path that I can think of is getting the Touch Pro 2 or similar.
It's really hard to upgrade when you're pretty much at the upper limit for smartphones. The Raphael is one of HTC's fastest devices, so keep that in mind.
My friend went from a Sprint Touch Pro (CDMA) to an Iphone 3G S 32GB... and he is a computer science grad student and a tech nerd... and he is blown away by the iphone. Yes Iphone OS is not like WM in functionality, but what the OS lacks, the apps make up for it. The Iphone is very stable, doesn't overheat (his doesn't), and is incredibly snappy. Plus its got a great screen, a built in ipod, etc. Just no insurance! =X And Apple control...
Hi guys!
First of all, allow me to clarify... I would 100% like to stay with a Windows Mobile phone, and second of all, I DEFINITELY need a slide out QWERTY keyboard.
And FYI.. I should have clarified... I am not a newbie! I have been hacking these phones and updating my ROMS for years now.
As I thought I mentioned, I have been flashing NATF's ROMS.
I started out with the CASIO BOSS in 1986, and as of late, I've had around six HTC phones, from the SX-66 to the 8125 to the 8525 to the FUZE, and so forth.
I don't know much about the iPhone 3GS, but I wrote a lengthy review of the 3G, and it just didn't suit my needs.
And like it or not, the FUZE is sluggish on my levels, even with the best ROMS. I don't think it's TERRIBLE, not at all, but let's face it... It's more like the feeling I get working off my modest Tablet PC on battery, than off my 4 monitored desktop's Quad Core Q9450 64Bit CPU, with 8 GB of RAM and 4TB on the hard drive.
There is just that little bit of 2008/2009 sluggishness that is making me a little eager and power hungry for a mind-blowing 2009/2010 device.
So, yeah, all this to say, I am not looking for an iPhone(!)
I am looking for a kick-ass Windows Mobile device that is the "next generation". The 8525 was an excellent jump from the 8125, which was an excellent jump from the SX66.
I am just looking for an equivalent jump, even if it's not made by HTC.
The FUZE/Touch Pro was THE must-have phone for all Hermes users.
I just needed a little guidance for the next one.
I am still looking for your suggestions! Thanks!
The TP2 has the best keyboard I've ever used on a phone. I've had the 8525, Tilt and Touch Pro (and a few others along the way). In fact, if I spend a few more days with it I may be faster with it than a desktop...it's really that good. As for performance, the AT&T version is excepted to come with 6.5 and 6.5 does run a lot better than 6.1 does in terms of speed but it's also a lot smoother overall and easier to use. It's probably 45 days off though if the rumors are right. The screen (a huge WVGA) feels a lot more sensitive. As far as speed, it is the same chipset and I've used both a Touch HD and a TP2 and it does feel faster but I think it's partially due to a mroe sensitive screen and people confuse that with the response time because the taps are easier to register. using TF3D you get your occasional hiccup. For my 2 cents I think when 6.5 comes out TF3D may not be as necessary but it's a personal preference. I hope TF3D 2.5 runs lighter since as a program it is pretty heavy in v2.1. All of this plays into 'speed'. In short though, the TP2 does feel like a pretty big upgrade over the TP(1). Again,t he screen size lets you see so much more that it simply puts it into another class. You can easily one hand emails with the onscreen keyboard and that works great for short responses but for large emails just open the keyboard and you feel like you have a minicomputer.
I've just purchased a TP2 to replace my TP1.
Same familiar WinMo, same massive repoistory of software, bigger screen, better keyboard. And it's not a piece of fruit
Thanks guys!
Very interesting praise for the TP2.
I had no idea the AT&T version was just around the corner. Good news.
bugsy, that is quite the glowing review. I was quite surprised to hear it had the same processor as the TP. I was hoping for a little boost!
Thanks again!
I just ordered one on ebay!
I know it's a little late, but have you considered symbian?
Nokia's got some really cool smart phones. The N97's bad ass!
Acer m900 until the USA compatible Omnia Pro shows up. Everything on the Acer is snappier than the Touch Pro, and probably what the older Wizard was like. Glad to be off the candy toy-phone the HTC made the Touch Pro into. Couldn't even do handwriting, nor using the VGA proper on a screen of that tiny size and the Qualcomm lag...
Both (m900, OmniaPro) still half as fast as the iPhone 3GS, but waiting for the 3GS to gain either cheap unlocked, or Palm Pre to go GSM. Nokia is still in some ditch thinking crap cpus can get them far.
Let us know how it turns out.
hi there,
i have xda exec with wm5 on i would like to upgrade it how can i do it?
and what version of firmware can i put on it?
cybercypher said:
hi there,
i have xda exec with wm5 on i would like to upgrade it how can i do it?
and what version of firmware can i put on it?
current version is os5.1.795 build 14847.2.0.0
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You could start by reading Wiki section for Universal, aka XDA Exec, it's an excellent, well written resource and has all the information you could possibly need and all the answers to the questions you could possibly have.
The ROMs you might be interested in can be found in their corresponding sections on this forum, each will have a description and list of things included, as well as comments by other members on performance, problems encountered and solutions.
enigma1nz said:
You could start by reading Wiki section for Universal, aka XDA Exec, it's an excellent, well written resource and has all the information you could possibly need and all the answers to the questions you could possibly have.
The ROMs you might be interested in can be found in their corresponding sections on this forum, each will have a description and list of things included, as well as comments by other members on performance, problems encountered and solutions.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hi Enigma1nz,
I was just wondering the other day if you had left us, coz ive not heard of you for a while. Did you get a 128 upgrade?
Regards
Jay
responderman said:
Hi Enigma1nz,
I was just wondering the other day if you had left us, coz ive not heard of you for a while. Did you get a 128 upgrade?
Regards
Jay
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I am here, of course, where else would I be, hehe. I had my 128Mb for a while, just nothing new came out lately and I resorted to the best combination of ROM+SPB MS3.5+Opera10b and other bits and pieces, the trick was to find the combo where everything worked. Besides, I purchased a semi-broken LG KS20 running WM6.1 and played with that for a while - not bad, especially considering 128/256, but still a far cry from Uni.
Not sure where the Uni is heading now, but it is starting to fade out a bit. I renewed my contract with t-mobile last year and I took a G1 the andriod based machine. Well its good but.......just not got that something that makes a great machine. its got all the features to make it a great machine, and it does as its told, but it spends more time on the side than with a sim card in it. which Rom have you settled with in the end? I liked tomals 8.71, its well finished and it all works. its a shame SRS wow doesn't work on it, coz I like that prog a lot.
Regards
Jay
responderman said:
Not sure where the Uni is heading now, but it is starting to fade out a bit. I renewed my contract with t-mobile last year and I took a G1 the andriod based machine. Well its good but.......just not got that something that makes a great machine. its got all the features to make it a great machine, and it does as its told, but it spends more time on the side than with a sim card in it. which Rom have you settled with in the end? I liked tomals 8.71, its well finished and it all works. its a shame SRS wow doesn't work on it, coz I like that prog a lot.
Regards
Jay
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The thing about SPB MS, as I mentioned more times than I care to be reminded ofmad, is that it removed the necessity for a flash looking ROM, so pretty much any Vanilla is fine, even WM5, if one is keen to keep VC. I had a great time with Tomal's 8-series, in particular 8.2, 8.5 and 8.9, but there were other conflicts, especially with Opera betas, I really liked the look of 10 and it appeared to be somewhat less problematic compatibility-wise than 9.5 and I didn't like 9.7. So once the Opera issue was settled - the rest was a smooth sailing.
As far as SRS WOW is concerned - Tomal's 8.2 was the last version it was running on i think...(have to check on that, not 100%), for other ROMs there is a patched Tomal's version.
I would dearly love for HTC to reconsider the return of the same form factor and size (funny, how so many people were against it in the first place) with updated specs to handle the pressure. Would be a winner for me. These days I tell everyone I have a MINI NETBOOK!!!! with touch screen/pad fold/phone capabilities and they want to cry with envy. All it needs is Shift's specs.
The unfortunate news for those keen on WM7 is that the platform will not support anything made for its predecessors, rendering pretty much everything done so far obsolete within a very short period of time. Only limited support for 6.5 will be offered by Microsoft.
enigma1nz said:
I would dearly love for HTC to reconsider the return of the same form factor and size (funny, how so many people were against it in the first place) with updated specs to handle the pressure. Would be a winner for me. These days I tell everyone I have a MINI NETBOOK!!!! with touch screen/pad fold/phone capabilities and they want to cry with envy. All it needs is Shift's specs.
The unfortunate news for those keen on WM7 is that the platform will not support anything made for its predecessors, rendering pretty much everything done so far obsolete within a very short period of time. Only limited support for 6.5 will be offered by Microsoft.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Its funny how a different discription will sell an object. I was a joiner for my main job, and I was fitting a lady's window and she didn't want me to secure it with screws. she wanted it nailing in (lord knows why) anyway I told her I would secure it with threaded steel dowls (screws) and she was over the moon. so your mini notebook idea doesn't supprise me at all.
I gave up on spb ms as it eats a 64 mb memory to much, but I have plans to upgrade the memory so will go back to it. I recon HTC are following fashon with their phones, they all are the same thing, and one day we may end up with a return to the notebook style. I once bought a wvga tosheba 900, it was the worst pda I have ever owned. It wouldn't even play a video well, so I got a refund. So here I stay with my Uni and my Athena (now that is a big PDA) I seem to remember not having much joy with the srs wow patch, it did funny things to the camera and sound.
Regards
Jay
responderman said:
Its funny how a different discription will sell an object. I was a joiner for my main job, and I was fitting a lady's window and she didn't want me to secure it with screws. she wanted it nailing in (lord knows why) anyway I told her I would secure it with threaded steel dowls (screws) and she was over the moon. so your mini notebook idea doesn't supprise me at all.
I gave up on spb ms as it eats a 64 mb memory to much, but I have plans to upgrade the memory so will go back to it. I recon HTC are following fashon with their phones, they all are the same thing, and one day we may end up with a return to the notebook style. I once bought a wvga tosheba 900, it was the worst pda I have ever owned. It wouldn't even play a video well, so I got a refund. So here I stay with my Uni and my Athena (now that is a big PDA) I seem to remember not having much joy with the srs wow patch, it did funny things to the camera and sound.
Regards
Jay
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
True, I gave up on SRS WOW altogether, actually, the best ROM that worked with EVERYTHING was Tomal's 8.2, can't remember now why I wanted to move to 8.9 so much. Yep, with 128Mb SPB MS is a beauty and if my Uni didn't get enough attention from my friends, it sure does now with all the touch movements and screens shifting, haha. I got it fitted with an iPhone screen protector, took a bit of cutting to size, it's very glossy, so looks very close to those modern netbook screens, the protector is something like $1.20 for a pack of 3 and I don't peel the outer layer off right away, so use it for a few weeks until it gets mucked up, then peel it off to reveal the proper smooth protector underneath, that one lasts for ages and you can't even see it on.
P.S. Would love to lay my hands on Athena... Might advertise for a broken one, always wanted a Shift or similar, don't care about the size, just can't afford the price.
Forgot to mention. HTC is in the middle of court case. Apple is suing for partial Android copyright infringements. Should've gone after Google, really, but HTC is a much easier and smaller target.
enigma1nz said:
Forgot to mention. HTC is in the middle of court case. Apple is suing for partial Android copyright infringements. Should've gone after Google, really, but HTC is a much easier and smaller target.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That is interesting news, I will watch out for that one.
I bought my Athena off Ebay in one of those rash moments, and once I bid I had that "oh ****, what have I done" moments. I remember all day I was wishing to be out bid, but fat chance. but they are dropping in price like a stone now. They are the dogs do-dah's of PDA's and spoil you for screen size, so now the Universal looks quite small screened to me now. The BIG problem with them is the phone, you cant use them to the ear coz they only work on speaker and if anyone is near then they hear the lot, so its bluetooth all the way. most of us use the LG style-I. Its a pen size thing that looks and works like a tiny phone, and leve the Athena in its large pocket or bag. Another great thing is you can plug into the telly, and with a bluetooth keyboard surf the net or watch your films on the big screen. Even the mighty Athena is getting old hat now though, but its down to what you need at the end of the day.
Jay