Does anyone know when HTC will be releasing a snapdragon powered device? My upgrade is due soon and I would love to stick with HTC, but the Toshiba TGO1 has been picked up by Orange in the UK and the specs just look mouthwatering, so right now I am drooling over that. I found a few rumours of HTC releasing snapdragon devices later this year but possibly android powered.
Mmm...
I´m sure I have saw something about this before:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=495830&highlight=snapdragon
or
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=517826&highlight=snapdragon
No specific date is mentioned but if you see the Tosh and HTC roadmaps beginings of next year probably we will see something about it...
Thanks for the interesting links.
Not soon enough...htc needs to get off there big duff!
If you do need Snapdragon (I would - I've tested the TG01 back in February and LOVED the speed), currrently, the Toshi TG01 is the only way to go.
I don't think HTC will release a phone with it in the near future (that is, before next year).
was just looking up new phones, also trying to stick to htc, mainly because of this site
found this:
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1783&c=htc_firestone_100
htc Firestone... apparently sporting a snapdragon QSD8250, though clocked at 600MHz...
Menneisyys said:
If you do need Snapdragon (I would - I've tested the TG01 back in February and LOVED the speed), currrently, the Toshi TG01 is the only way to go.
I don't think HTC will release a phone with it in the near future (that is, before next year).
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How was it for size and build quality? You get to play with all the nice toys! Oh and what did you think of the screen? I know it is huge but the hype claims that it incorpoates all tosh's TV manufactuing skills and that it sets a new standard.
All the up comming snapdragon devices look like a big step for win mo, I hope it pans out well with all the proper drivers and an OS worthy of the device spec.
One worry about the TGO1 is will cooked roms be available? Stock roms are just so unsatisfying!
Have a look into one of the great thread/reports from meneysys, there is one regarding his experience on TG0.
Well as TG0 is not an HTC build I can hardly to see cooked ROM´s here...
I really hope next year HTC will launch somethin for 2010!
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id love to know the reason behind the BUT POSSIBLY ANDROID POWERED, android is going to take over the mobile market with 18 different devices coming out this year alone
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How was it for size and build quality? You get to play with all the nice toys! Oh and what did you think of the screen? I know it is huge but the hype claims that it incorpoates all tosh's TV manufactuing skills and that it sets a new standard.
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It was HUGE. I,personally, wouldn't buy it as it's still resistive. TG02 (to be released later this year), on the other hand, is stated to have a capacitive screen - THAT may become my best WinMo friend and may be able to even beat my iPhone when it comes to Web browsing.
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It was HUGE. I,personally, wouldn't buy it as it's still resistive. TG02 (to be released later this year), on the other hand, is stated to have a capacitive screen - THAT may become my best WinMo friend and may be able to even beat my iPhone when it comes to Web browsing.
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Will TGO2 recognise a stylus though? I suppose it just won't need one but so many win mo apps still need a stylus for some things.
Any way now to go and read through some of Menneisyys's articles.
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Will TGO2 recognise a stylus though?
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I don't think so. Nevertheless, on even my 3.6" iPhone the capacitive touchscreen is, in general, VERY exact. On the considerably larger (IIRC) 4.1" screen of the TG02, I don't think you'll ever need it. Or, hopefully, the Toshi engineers come up with some kind of e.g. 2x or 4x (hardware) magnification for more exact tapping.
I am wondering if it would be possible to combine the two technologies on the same screen. I think that a special electrically charged stylus could be made which would work on a capacitive screen.
Looks like there will be a few other new processors in the pipeline for mobile devices in the not too distant future, the NVidea chip looks promising, but not too sure about atom in a phone. It seems odd that the ARM processor is still going so strong after so long. Wasn't it the power behind such things as the BBC micro and the Acorn Electron in the 80s?
" I think that a special electrically charged stylus could be made which would work on a capacitive screen."
there already are such stylus which work on iphones
but of cause the iphone don't have writing req software as it is now
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there already are such stylus which work on iphones
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There is, but it sucks and is pretty much useless. The only way of implementing this without sacrifying screen quality (that is, without adding a resistive layer) would be adding a radio sensor layer under the screen, just like the one in most Tablet PC's. This, however, may result in huge stili.
HTC late on new hardware
Don't forget that HTC is selling it's services to Toshiba, Sony and so on for developing and manufacturing devices.
And those want exclusive features garantied for a certain amount of time.
If you take a look at the pro 2 it is quite simular to the X1 on the hardware side.
Therefore HTC will probably never will be the first to bring out new hardware - even so they developed the combination. It is sold to the other PDA makers and then followed up by their own device with about the same features - just delayed a couple of month (and with better software .
WM6.5 when?
I'm still pondering the TGO1, but wm6.1 I can live without. I see that orange will but providing an upgrade to wm6.5, but I don't see when. I was wondering if anyone has any insider knowledge or any inkling at all as to when this upgrade might be available? Or just when will MS finally release it? (when xda devs have made it work properly for them for free I expect)
There's a snapdragon-based Xperia rumored to come out later this year in Android flavor, the X3. I'd believe that Xperias are made by HTC, are they not (though branded by Sony Ericsson)?
no, the Xperia was made by HTC, but not the successors.
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Oh my, that makes me want to do a sex wee!
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=46296
I hope we can find something useful in it for our devices.... i realy don't want to buy a new device...
Yes, on the face of it, it seems quite soon after the TC was launched but then I suppose this might take a good few months to turn up in the shops. I presume the VGA screen will mean a lot of the UI widgets won't be usable on the TC, sadly.
Lots more info/video here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/HTC
Unless someone makes them work, but I seriously doubt that HTC will stick to the VGA line...
Yeah I don't want to have to buy another device either. It does suck that it's so soon after the Cruise was released. No microSD memory slot right? I haven't see it mentioned anywhere. 4GB internal memory might be faster but is way too limited.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=389935
here they say microSD but then they also say EGPS where the htc site only say AGPS
so who is to know for sure yet...
being that it's vga it could also mean that if it have a working driver it's hardcoded to the vga res :S
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being that it's vga it could also mean that if it have a working driver it's hardcoded to the vga res :S
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We'll see about that... but until this community gets it's hands on the ROM, we'll see what has Android to offer
Watch this video and submit your comments as to the fluidity of the OS.
Typical of HTC, init?
http://techdigest.tv/2008/05/shiny_video_rev_169.html
When she was actually demoing it, there seemed to be a certain lag when she scrolled whith her finger... Could it be that the diamond also suffers from the "TouchScreen Bug"?
According to Engaget it seems that Diamond has Video acceleration. If it's already implemented by that device, surely it will be available for Touch Cruise soon
chipset is not the same!
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According to Engaget it seems that Diamond has Video acceleration. If it's already implemented by that device, surely it will be available for Touch Cruise soon
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While I do admire their efforts on the Diamond, I feel that the HTC product development process is just way to rushed. In the end they end up coming out with half assed devices. It seems like they make a new model every 2 months these days e.g. Touch, Touch Dual, Touch Cruise, P3470, Sedena, etc. So its no wonder they can't get any one model right.
They really need to take some notes of what Apple has been doing with the iPhone. New products have had more storage space, and they've been focusing on software updates for their current users. This way prospective buyers are happy and current owners are kept happy. HTC on the other hand delivers maybe one update to a device full of bugs its entire product lifetime in the form of an AKU. That's quite pathetic customer service esp. for devices that are nowhere near perfect from the get go.
I would buy a Diamond, or a WM7 phone, but HTC needs to start doing a better job respecting its current customers - seriously, the Kaiser ppl have been waiting practically a year now for some sort of update, and we Polaris ppl have been waiting nearly 6months. Until HTC does something about product support, my Touch Cruise and my HTC loyalty will hold me over just until the next generation iPhone comes along and the Apple SDK/Apple store has apps coming along.
I agree, they are releasing devices way too fast. They really should invest time in releasing a device that has quality design with well thought out hardware, something that can last for awhile and then release software updates to it. The iPhone comparisons though are not very accurate, since apple designed the hardware and the software and ATT has nothing to do with it (mostly). (as opposed to att needing to come out with their own ROMs for the tilt). But I see your point, where is the official WM6.1 release for example for HTC branded devices? End of March promised for some fix, it's now May and nothing, only an announcement for a new phone. Shame...
I really hate to admit it, but Apple does a good job whith their device/update probram, hell even M$ comes out with updates on a regular basis for its OS...
HTC should learn something from them... the sleek design, and user friendly interface may win the looks prize, but nothing else if it's unuseable and the support sucks...
Some people have more qualifications for PDAs then most of the personel at HTC from simple tech support, to development... and this is an open community (maybe that's why HTC tech support sucks, because we're here to sort out their mess)
Diamond pro:
WM 6.1
VGA
Diamond con:
battery capacity
no memory card slot
discutable GPS (real GPS or AGPS)
Just my opinnion, of course...
Diamond announced at O2 Germany
as I have just found out, O2 has already announced the HTC Diamond at their Online shop. At another site I found the rumor, that it will be available in June... we'll see.
http://shop2.o2online.de/nw/produkt...lesChannel=SHOP&articleId=617&categoryId=1120
Bodisson said:
Diamond pro:
WM 6.1
VGA
Diamond con:
battery capacity
no memory card slot
discutable GPS (real GPS or AGPS)
Just my opinnion, of course...
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An the biggest con only 528 Mhz for VGA.
This thing will be slow as hell.
Just look at the E-Ten GloFiish Series with a 500 Mhz cpu.
TDO
TDO said:
An the biggest con only 528 Mhz for VGA.
This thing will be slow as hell.
Just look at the E-Ten GloFiish Series with a 500 Mhz cpu.
TDO
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Ah but it makes full use of the graphics chip to handle that kind of thing.
RE
actually i think this device is pretty cool. since my tytnII ended up in the washmachine i really doubting of buying this device or another tytnII from the insuarrance money...
pros tytn:
-keyboard
-i have 2 accus by then, 2 chargers etc etc...
-memory card slot (though i got 4 gb and it seems enough)
pros diamond:
-size!!! what a beatifull size at all, lighter and thinner then a n95, iphone etc.
-vga screen
-improved chipset and 192mb ram
I just wait till the first real reviews come out and then i decide!
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Ah but it makes full use of the graphics chip to handle that kind of thing.
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It has drivers which use the videocontroller.
But this driver can only accelerate the "drawing" of the graphics and there only specific functions.
The main-cpu has still to handle 4 times the data in comparison to a qvga device.
TDO
WOW BREAKING NEWS
Touch Pro 2 News From engadget.com (http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/htc-touch-pro2-is-awesome-in-ways-the-touch-pro-never-could-be/)
So, how do you make HTC's Touch Pro -- already near the top of the WInMo heap -- an even beefier device? For starters, you can throw out that nasty VGA screen of yesteryear and up it with a 3.6-inch 800 x 400 replacement. Next, add a dedicated touch-sensitive zoom slider that works overtime to take maximum advantage of said screen, then throw in a few key carryovers: 512MB of ROM, 288MB of RAM, microSD expansion, and a 3.2 megapixel cam. Meet the Touch Pro2, the official follow-up to HTC's popular series of QWERTY sliders that introduces so-called "Straight Talk" technology for "seamlessly" transitioning conversations between email, single-line calls, and party calls. It'll also automatically switch to the crazy high-performance, full-duplex speakerphone simply by flipping the phone over, so it's clear that this bad boy was meant for business. It'll launch early in the second quarter in parts of Asia and Europe with other "major global markets" following in early Summer.
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DETAILED INFORMATION HERE: http://www.htc.com/www/press.aspx?id=83956
I just wish it had tv-out or I'd get it (or the diamond2) I guess I'm the one who uses that feature a lot on my omnia.
Edit: My bad... It DOES have tv-out))
awesome..
now i know why peoples selling their phones
Support HTC
The TouchPro 2 seems more like the Tytn II replacement to me,
I LIKE.
The touch pro is more business oriented. . . so it probably wont have alot of media features were hoping it has .
A dump promise
Hopefully, someone will soon get their hands on these units to dump the ROMs and port them to Touch Diamond and Touch Diamond Pro.
1-very nice but the lack of d-pad and other buttons is annoying as hell.
2-lets hope the fix the very very poor performance of the diamond this time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZHYimU-VHM&feature=related
3-also software,themes,apps development forums will be too segmented. diamond ,diamont2,tpro,tpro2, blackstone,x1 are all very similar phones(internally). is there a clean and logical way to combine them.
4-whats the code names of these two devices
very nice. Shame they wont work for more than about 3 minutes before something falls off/a random onboard chip of some random nature starts to malfunction.
HTC, design phones then get someone decent to manufacture them.... you cant manufature for toffe.
"...something falls off". Please explain. I've had the Diamond for 2/3 of a year now and nothing has "fallen off"....
In my opinion, the build quality of HTC products is impeccable.
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very nice. Shame they wont work for more than about 3 minutes before something falls off/a random onboard chip of some random nature starts to malfunction.
HTC, design phones then get someone decent to manufacture them.... you cant manufature for toffe.
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My experience of HTC hardware is far from good. BlueAngel (dead speaker), two TyTN's, one TyTN II and now a TD - all and i mean ALL of them have had at least one warranty repair or replacement. Actually , thats a lie: TD was sent back for a full refund under UK consumer law as "Not Fit For Purpose" as at the time there was no way to play music without the famous skipping/pause issue.
Just fire up google and use terms like "HTC" "hardware" "fault" "Issue" and so on .... you'll soon see what a timebomb of a device you have.
My Toshiba G900 and now Omnia have restored my faith in Smartphones and there reliability.
thats odd....my TyTNII(Kaiser, from USA) has been nothing short of amazing, and it has taken its share of nasty falls!
anyone know what carrier in the U.S will be providing the TP2??
im praying its AT&T, Its almost time for an upgrade, and I think im in love
Perhaps you got some Gremlins
My HTC phones all work like they did on their first day. I didnt have any hardware Problems and the software problems where solved by this nice Community.
Ok, i hve to admit that HTC really doesnt care that much software-wise... I bet they wont release proper drivers for these devices either...
Thats no problem for me though, as i wont buy another arm or qualcom based Smartphone anyway. Im up for atom-powered voice capable MIDs now.
Hmmm. Quite fancy the Pro 2. Shame it doesn't have a slightly beefier processor though. I'm sure these will be replaced by Snapdragon or Tegra devices shortly after I buy one!
i opened a similar thread but it's closed cause i was to slow
now my question again
what's that "zoom bar" supposed to do
but if HTC devices are built so horribly, why use them over and over?
operative1 said:
i opened a similar thread but it's closed cause i was to slow
now my question again
what's that "zoom bar" supposed to do
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my guess its just the touchwheel from diamond and tpro. not that usuful if you ask me since they could have added more usfel buttons with dpad or remove it for the sake of bigger screen or just remove it to make the phone smaller.
Copy from Raphael Thread
My thoughts:
1. First thing I thought was: I wonder if there will be some way to buy this from AT&T without breaking my contract? I mean, what do they do for people who got a 2-year contract with the original iPhone, and then a year later they want the new iPhone?
2. Longer battery life and a bigger screen are very welcome.
3. I hope that keyboard is a mock-up. Also, I can't imagine using a non-Fuze keyboard, let alone one of those 3-row keyboards most phones have, but it's just way too convenient to have all those punctuation marks available top row.
4. I wonder when this phone will reach stateside.
5. I wonder why the phone's specs aren't improved?
6. I wonder why it's not all-black. It better just be a mockup.
7. Almost Touch HD-sized screen, and the TYTTN II tilt *drools*
But really, it took an entire year for the Touch Pro to come out in the states, so who is really banking on this thing coming out by Summer? And what will AT&T do when I'm willing to give them 300 more dollars for the Touch Pro II, and I still have a contract?
Sure, it's not the improvement we'd all have made. Not more RAM, not a better processor, or drivers... but it's still an improvement over the Touch Pro (unless that isn't a mockup keyboard, in which case I may cry over the colour scheme and the fact that there are LESS KEYS on that phone than the existing Touch Pro) and I'll take it. Plus, the front-facing D-Pad is a pain to use anyway that I just open it up and use my Keyboard D-Pad.
Good point...
drama2747 said:
but if HTC devices are built so horribly, why use them over and over?
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When will we see some dedicated forums for these devices...? moderators...?
HANDS ON VIDEOS
I'm fallin' in love... no kiddin
good to see the phone in action...all though i was tempted to mute the sound lol
Hi,
I was looking at the iSuppli figures for the new iPhone 3GS and the Pal Pre and looking at the specifications of those phones it seems like they heavily outweigh even newer devices like touch pro 2 which cost like 30% or more. The Pre and the 3GS have
Much better application processors. ARM Cortex 8 approximately 50-70% faster than the ones in omnia
Separate Applications and Base Band Processors
Capacitive touch screens
16 Million color screens
Higher capacity and quality NAND memory
Considering that these manufacturers are also including costs of R&D for their OS in the phone price as well while manufacturers like HTC, Samsung and Acer just build shells for Windows Mobile which should be a lot cheaper how are the higher prices justified?
Another thing, people from HTC have been complaining for some time now that an 18bit color more would be too much of a hit/not possible in Winmo and are still sticking to 16bit while with the upcoming Omnia pro and Omnia II Samsung is using 24bit and 18bit respectively. The only thing better about Winmo device screens is the higher resolution.
The only thing besides hardware for Windows phone manufacturers is case design and shell development. Do you think that undercutting quality of parts without much justification is ok? I would like to hear what long time users think of it.
PS: Got 3GS and Pre information from http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37945.php
Constructive comments please
Thanks
[QUOTE Do you think that undercutting quality of parts without much justification is ok? [/QUOTE]
I don´t think it´s ok.
I decided to stay in HTC line devices for one great reason that makes the diference: XDA-DEVS!!!!
Without this great site I might turn my interest on Toshiba new devices, even with WM.
I don´t have any good comment respect the others OS...
Perhaps Android in a mid-future term...
They ask as much as possible for a device. Actually that's the reason I'd never really buy the rhodium. HTC always releases devices with a little flaw they fix in the next device (but make a new flaw, like FM radio in rhodium). What we need isn't that much: (F)WVGA, Tegra/Snapdragon/OMAP, 5-8 megapixel camera WITH flash and such others. I hope that Acer F1 is going to rock so I can buy my next device
HTC is a joke. They can only blame themselves and their lousy hardware / drivers for iPhone's being a huge success.
Just heard today the the new iphonie 3gs sold a million units already
Hope HTC gets there sh#t together soon...
to be honest, the only reason i buy htc/winmo devices is this site....and the fact i can get tomtom on it
but now i see tomtom is on the iphone, having used an iphone this week, i can say there are things il ike about it, but its a bit to dumbed down for me i feel, but then, it does just work, and the touchscreen seems to work much better than any htc device i've used
i seriously miss having a flashlight, i mean camera flash on my phone, my old samsung d500 was brilliant in the dark, also miss having a camera that doesn't have wierd blue on it all the time no matter how much i seem to fiddle with it
galaxys said:
Just heard today the the new iphonie 3gs sold a million units already
Hope HTC gets there sh#t together soon...
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Yeah, the iPhone is ****ingly well done... I have tons of WinMo devices but, for most tasks, I use my iPhone 3G. It's, hardware-wise, so much better than those lame resistive screen-based HTC craps...
And yes, as soon as the 3G S arrives here (in July), I'll be among the first to purchase it. I love gaming on these things.
true. i am tired of defending htc with my friends who have iphone. even the new palm pre which i tested today is so sweet. the screen jumps at u. i loved it
when my contract is up next month i am so buying an iphone.
the only reason i stayed so long is XDA and the tweaking i could do. kept me interested but now i dnt have time to be tweaking.
i want a phone that works and does what it needs to do without constant resetting and tweaks from XDA
I believe HTC made the best financial choice for this year. Due to Economical situation they know there will less demand on high end devices. Therefore they have not risk any high R&D and expensive parts. They choose already existing platforms and just add few more spec. I believe that is the best way to keep their profit margins!!!! The sad thing is they do have still advantage over the other hardware manufacturers which makes them too confident.
Beside from the Hardware issues on the WinMO I believe it is the OS that keeps all Hardware manufacturer and also Software makers struggle. Window Mobile OS clearly out aged but Microsoft is not fast enough to come up with something NEW and BETTER. Be frank WinMo 6.5 is just a joke. It has no major changes. Win 7 has delayed few times and besides no one knows what going to come out from that development.
Clearly if MS and HTC continue in such way they sure will be losing huge market which we already started to see!!!!!
I know..many WinMo supporters will say compare to WinMo..Iphone can’t do this... Iphone can’t do that. The fact is that 90% consumer that buy a device for 500-900USD don’t wanted spend their entire time to tweak and modify a expensive device to function a bit better!!! Beside most of those are not technical and therefore the learning curve to handle WinMo is much much longer.
I believe as a long term user of WinMo we become use to the limitation of MS OS and hardware so that we already see those as normal. But I do trust that many of us forget that WE PAYING REALLY 500-900 USD for piece of CRAP!!!
We just NEED to see the falling prices of Notebooks and Netbooks then we know how much we over paying for our HTC devices.
"HTC is a joke. They can only blame themselves and their lousy hardware / drivers for iPhone's being a huge success."
Infuckingdeed.
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HTC is a joke. They can only blame themselves and their lousy hardware / drivers for iPhone's being a huge success.
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I was scared that XDA-Devs is a fanboy site, with no rational thinking allowed. Glad to see this isn't the case.
Let's call a spade is a spade - HTC has ridden way too long on the coattails of cheap design, cheap QVGA screens and crap hardware with no or poor drivers, selling for $649 unlocked.
Why wont u b getting the Touch Pro 2?
I put this in the general category because I wanted to here from all the non owners, users who are going to skip the TP2 as well as the owners who want to complain about the TP2.
I was excited about this phone but I hate to go with a device that does not have a navigation pad. I have issues daily where I tap the screen or drag the screen on my Fuze and do not get the desired result so then I make use of the dpad to do what I need to do with no further problem.
Is there a reason you are going to skip the TP2? Whats it missing for you or what have you chosen over the TP2?
the processor ! or lack of driver support there of.
Because i wanted to have a (relativley) decent camera. So I got the Acer M900 instead of which, i'm VERY happy with it.
(Oh in my experience, HTC's build quality is sh*t)
Acer does have a better camera and probably better drivers too. But when it comes o build quality I dis-agree with your fact. Acer phones usually have cheap plastic finish but HTC makes good casing almost in every phone model of theirs.. They're good at design or hire good designers IMHO.
You cannot disagree with my opinion or indeed my personal experience. You may indeed have a diferent opinion and experience but that does not mean that either of us are right or wrong.
An opinion is just that, a personal opinion.
An experience is fact but that does not mean you will suffer the same.
But, I do very much agree with your OPINION on the design, they are usualy well designed however, in my EXPERIENCE, they are built out of crap and made very poorly.
My biggest issue with the TP2 is the relatively slower processor and lack of a headphone jack. I know it's business phone and all, but still, when other touch screen phones are one-upping you in hardware...
The TD2 has the same issues, but it's cheaper, so the qualms are a bit easier to swallow. I'm gonna have to think carefully and wait and see how much AT&T charges for each.
better processor and wm 7 ... until then htc fuze for me.
I'll quote Anand here.
Anand said:
The second part isn’t what Nokia should be doing on its $500+ smartphone, what is inexcusable is the fact that Nokia is not using ARM’s latest and greatest Cortex A8 on such an expensive phone. It’s the equivalent of Dell shipping a high end PC with a Core 2 Duo instead of a Core i7; after a certain price point, the i7 is just expected.
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Up until this morning, I was 100% committed to getting a HTC Touch Pro 2 (Rhodium).
This afternoon I had a play with the new Toshiba TG01.
Now I'm 50:50 on the TP2 or the TG01.
Quite a few reasons. The first is simply cost -- I don't have a cheap upgrade option currently, and it sure isn't worth the asking price without a carrier subsidy.
Lack of a 3.5mm jack is a big deal for me. While I always intend to keep a seperate PMP (I have a Zune 80 right now and might snag the HD later this year), I want my next phone to at least be a competent media player when I don't have my Zune with me. This is simply impossible without a standard headphone jack, because I won't carry an adapter with me.
The biggest reason is probably the impending release of WM7. I expect 7 to be a BIG upgrade over 6 and really a game changer for the whole WM world. I don't want to be stuck with "old" WM once 7 releases. And if 7 isn't as revolutionary as I expect/hope, I'll seriously consider jumping ship.
typo said:
... the impending release of WM7. ....
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Thanks mate, that made me cry
ZenithUK said:
Up until this morning, I was 100% committed to getting a HTC Touch Pro 2 (Rhodium).
This afternoon I had a play with the new Toshiba TG01.
Now I'm 50:50 on the TP2 or the TG01.
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It matter of decide what you prefer:
Better processor or a nice phisycal keyboard...
Personally I´ll take the keyboard
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Better processor or a...
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initialy i'd agree with you about keyboard v cpu however, you cannot compare processor Mhz across diferent manufacturers. The only test you can compare processors with (and actually indeed, entire devices) is with real world tests such as, opening a complex spreadsheet or running an emulator.
This is why all reviews run comparisons with user software running like Unreal Tournament for example or Call of Duty.
Numbers are an indicator, they are not the entire story.
Monty Burns said:
Because i wanted to have a (relativley) decent camera. So I got the Acer M900 instead of which, i'm VERY happy with it.
(Oh in my experience, HTC's build quality is sh*t)
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Thats pretty nice that the biometric pad doubles as a navigation dpad! Does that work well?
Do you have any issues with the 128 RAM? The videos i have seen show that the screen is slow and a little less responsive. Is this your experiance? Thanks
No, quite the oposite.... its very fast and nippy device, certainly the fastest i've ever owned. Yes the memory numbers are a little low however, as long as you close any apps you dont really need open your fine. I often run Igo and either the FM player or Win Media Player and don't have any issues.
Be warned though, its not a small device. Its not Universal big but, you could easily use it to defend yourself
edit: Oh yeah, and some people have already learn't to edit the partition table which If I understand this correctly, means we will be shortly getting cooked roms that change the storage ratio - could be wrong on this though.
After looking at TPII I can't WOW. Its just another pocketpc with hardly any novelty to offer, Tilt form factor is what gives it an extra look otherwise its no better than TP IMHO
Some reports say the m900 has a 2.5mm jack and some say 3.5, can u say which is true?
So is the screen responsive? Do u have to tap something more than once and does the screen somtimes fail to recognize a gesture? Sorry to ask again but i wasnt sure to which part of my post u were responding to. Im thinking of ordering the m900 in the next few days.
I cant justify to myself paying that sort of money for something that is not all that different to previous htc keyboard offerings. I dont have a problem with the processor its just I am so very bored of wm 6.whatever. If wm7 ever arrives then it will be a different story.
In the meantime I am going to give android and the Hero a go...
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Some reports say the m900 has a 2.5mm jack and some say 3.5, can u say which is true?
So is the screen responsive? Do u have to tap something more than once and does the screen somtimes fail to recognize a gesture? Sorry to ask again but i wasnt sure to which part of my post u were responding to. Im thinking of ordering the m900 in the next few days.
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It has neither. Its a mini 5 pin usb so you need an adapter (£2 from ebay). The screen can be unresponsive at times but Acer are very aware of this and are working with us on www.4winmobile.com. We already know there is a new firmware released and are expecting it to appear on Acers website in the next week or two.
Rather than derail the thread further, it might be an idea to check out 4winmobile and go to the Acer/Eten area.
Thanks Monty
Although, I have seen the announcement about the HTC Trophy several months back with HTC's 2010 roadmap, I haven't seen any news from any reputable source since the extremely nice render that was done of the phone a while back.
Has HTC changed their minds on this device?
Any thoughts?
I hope not because I'm really looking forward to this phone, for me it is the ideal phone to replace my SE P1i! I think the fact that it is already available as a pre-order means that it's coming soon!
http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wir...c&utm_term=HTCTROPHYBKEU&utm_campaign=froogle
That's still a far cry from being picked up and subsidized somewhat by a local carrier though.
Sony Ericsson Aspen looks just as good, if not sleeker! Why not get that phone instead?
The SE Aspen has a lower screenresolution (320x240), so at least for me it's a no-go.
I really don't care about carrier-subsizing as I always buy my cellphones directly and unlocked. My current Palm Treo Pro has a 320x320 screen and I'd really like to "upgrade" to the HTC Trophy, but so far it seems more of an idea than a real product being released anytime soon...
Maybe Q4/2010? ;-)
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The SE Aspen has a lower screenresolution (320x240), so at least for me it's a no-go.
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Exactly, and it has a resistive touch screen!
I really don't care about carrier-subsizing as I always buy my cellphones directly and unlocked.
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Yeah me too!
so Art4 are you going to pre-order it??
No, because as long as there's only a seller that has it on its list without a press release by the manufacturing company (i.e. HTC) I doubt it's a legitimate offer.
I will buy it when I see someone having it in stock... I'm not someone of the Apple-fanatics kind who pre-orders something without the product yet being manufactured / existing. So far, all I've seen is an internal marketing presentation by HTC... and as far as I know and learnt, that doesn't mean much.
Oh and... the ES400 by Motorola seems more interesting to me by now anyway, and judging by the material I've seen so far, it'd be a more serious product anyway.
I'm just not sure how available it will be through the usual sales channels for consumers (i.e. not those that don't buy it for either a large enterprise or from a cellphone carrier.)
PS: Which I don't mean offensive in any way, it's just that... all there is at this point are rumours and an internal marketing presentation; everything else is at best hearsay.
Yeah you're right, I haven't pre-ordered it either! I saw the Motorola ES400 yesterday, it looks fine and meets my demands but the problem is that it has a resistive touch screen! And the trophy looks way more elegant! So now the ES400 is second on my list, I will wait until September, if the Trophy is not out by then, I will buy the ES400 (if it's available for consumers as you specified above) but I hope the Trophy will be out soon!
To be honest:
I want to go back to the old Nokia days, where I could drop my phone on the marble floor or on gravel without having to worry whether or not it's damaged or not, just pick it up and continue with my call.
... which is why the ES400 sounds more interesting to me by now.
The only thing that might convince me to still buy the HTC Trophy is that the ES400 will most probably be less available in Europe and more expensive (due to features like fingerprint reader etc.)
Good points all. It's just that it seems that the Trophy prompted a lot of interest even as it came out. You'd think that would prompt HTC to at least look in that direction. I mean, who does the fake render just because?
maybe it will be a windows phone 7 phone. rememeber how there would be 2 resolutions for wp7? 800x480 and 320x240(i think im not sure the exact numbers) that would make sense
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Good points all. It's just that it seems that the Trophy prompted a lot of interest even as it came out. You'd think that would prompt HTC to at least look in that direction. I mean, who does the fake render just because?
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Most (all?) of the renders you see on google/sites were made by a forum member here. I don't know if htc has actually released a render/photo of the real thing.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5244656&postcount=136
I guessing...
My conclusion is that it's all fiction or cancelled planning at this point. That's too bad.
Found one website that has changed the expected rel date to Sept 2010.. wonder if they know something we don't.
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Most (all?) of the renders you see on google/sites were made by a forum member here.
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Actually the Hi res was a fan render.. the fuzzy one was shown on internal HTC information that leaked.
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Found one website that has changed the expected rel date to Sept 2010.. wonder if they know something we don't.
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I asked a sales rep about the release (or rather shipping date) of the Motorola ES400: they said it'd be September 2010 as well.
I think this is related to the fact that new windows mobile smartphones are to be released at the same time or ideally after the big Windows Phone 7 launch.
Due to the fact that both the HTC Trophy and the Motorola ES400 ship with WM6.5.3 I suppose both are concerned in relation to the WP7 launch rule, either imposed directly by Microsoft (for marketing/launch availability reasons) or by production capacity limits of the factories (and related production contracts & guarantees.)
... that's what I think about that anyway, when I try to extrapolate something from the little available information. ;-)
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The SE Aspen has a lower screenresolution (320x240), so at least for me it's a no-go.
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I do have the SE Aspen and I definitely don't want a higher screen resolution at this form size (screen diagonal is 2,6 inch)!!
Higher screen res would be overkill and put a higher demand on CPU power and battery. There would be no use in it, despite cosmetics. But I prefer battery runtime over eye candy.
I have a VGA PDA with 3.6 inch screen, that is 2.1 x 2.9 inches compared to Aspen's 1.6 x 2.1 inches. At this screen size, you definitely benefit from higher screen res. as you can squeeze more text into the screen.