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Which Dutty Rom to Choose?

Currently using the Last tilt specific beta and it works well.
What current dutty rom is 1) most stable
2) most likely not to need a keyboard fix
3) most like the one currently using
4) which radio to us if in United states or is this just trial and eror?
I have done the reading, but don't know which to try next. This is my work phone and I can't be down for the count if I screw things up.
Any advice would be appreciated. If I am not going to gain much from upgrading, please advise.

afavre said:
Currently using the Last tilt specific beta and it works well.
What current dutty rom is 1) most stable
2) most likely not to need a keyboard fix
3) most like the one currently using
4) which radio to us if in United states or is this just trial and eror?
I have done the reading, but don't know which to try next. This is my work phone and I can't be down for the count if I screw things up.
Any advice would be appreciated. If I am not going to gain much from upgrading, please advise.
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Why is everyone flooding this forum with questions like these?
1) You have to find out yourself, but V3 (will be released soon) seems to be stable
2) Tilt will always need Keyboard fix, cause of the different keyboard layout
3) The most like your current ROM?? Hmmm.... Maybe one without changes??
4) There is a thread (sticky) about Radio ROMs. Read that thread, and when you download a ROM just see what Radio ROMs are compatible.

1. N/A because I don't run any of them for over 24 hours. His ROM factory has a good production.
2. All of them need a keyboard fix unless you flash a mentioned at&t version. To my expriences, always keep the keyboardfix cab handy in card.
3. N/A. Flashing a different ROM is highly addictive action.
4. x.xx.xx.11, .17 or .32 is fine. .09 for at&t specified ROMs only.

afavre said:
Currently using the Last tilt specific beta and it works well.
What current dutty rom is 1) most stable
2) most likely not to need a keyboard fix
3) most like the one currently using
4) which radio to us if in United states or is this just trial and eror?
I have done the reading, but don't know which to try next. This is my work phone and I can't be down for the count if I screw things up.
Any advice would be appreciated. If I am not going to gain much from upgrading, please advise.
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I've got a tilt as well and I'm running Dutty's DualTouch V.2 Medium...
As for what's most stable? They're all pretty stable. try a couple and decide for yourself.
The keyboard fix is unfortunately a necessity for any rom originally designed for an HTC branded Kaiser. The Cingular/AT&T tilt has a slightly different keyboard setup than the HTC branded Kaiser. HOWEVER... I wouldn't worry about it. there are several SUPER easy ways to fix it, the most popular seem to be a cab file available from Dutty's download site in his signiture and a utility called Advance Config 1.1
If you're looking for something like your original AT&T rom... Look elsewhere... Dutty has done a good job of modifying this rom with ALOT of different packages. Most of the familiar apps are there but you may be able to access them in different ways. Also he has tweaked and tuned things to work better than originally.
As for the radio there is a sticky that gives a real good overview of the different radios. But most of it is trial and error based on a) the rom you are using and b) the configuration of the network you are using. I live in an area that is JUST getting 3G and has NO HSPDA So most of the roms seem to work about the same (ugh...) But others have reported that one works better or has better battery life... it's often a give and take and seems to be ALOT of subjectivity. but one thing... the "AT&T" 14.09 radio doesn't work with most Kaiser based ROMs. So unless the rom your using is specifically built for it (most of Dutty's aren't) don't bother you'll have problems with no sound and other things.
Hope this helps! but my best advice... READ READ READ... there's ALOT of info out there. And realize that like most threads, questions that people feel are already answered will bring about some rather curt posts from people. So try to be sure your question hasn't already been answered somewhere else.

thank all for the advice. May make the switch over to a dual touch rom over a holiday when I don't need the phone.
You all have been much more patient than most with some semi newb questions that I have had. I know I don't add much to the "development" discussion, but I sure as hell can break some things and make people feel smart when the tell me how to fix it (or "f" off and search the forums, newb).
The radio install is the only sort of "out there" portion of this whole thing and I will do my homework before my next flash.

radio
I have tested both .17 and .32 and I like .17 better I notice little diff. in battery life but service seems better and the internet is much better. I'm in the mid west and I have HSDPA service mostly.

All the Roms - Which Do What

Hi,
I have tried the Hero Rom on my Magic (vodafone UK) which was intersting, but have reverted back to the ION one now for stability.
Could someone please sumarise which roms are available, what the difference are, and how stable each is?
A little pinned thread for this would be very useful in order to see the status of each?

moa77 said:
Hi,
I have tried the Hero Rom on my Magic (vodafone UK) which was intersting, but have reverted back to the ION one now for stability.
Could someone please sumarise which roms are available, what the difference are, and how stable each is?
A little pinned thread for this would be very useful in order to see the status of each?
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I agree,
to noobs like myself on Android (better on WM) it is difficult to understand what the different names are mean have included. etc etc etc
I currently have nk02's ION Multilanguage installed. It seems fairly responsive. I am however not sure what I am missing out on.
Any help from the experts would be brilliant
Cheers in advance

Advice for a n00b please - best ROM for UK Vodafone Magic?

Hi all - subject line says it all.
I have a shiny UK Vodafone Magic turning up tomorrow and, hoping to save a bit of time, wanted to canvas the guys on here regarding their opinions of the best ROM to use on it, before I start experimenting. Have browsed the boards and it seems that the main issue with Hero ROMs is performance on the smaller RAM size. I would like as decent a UI experience as possible, but would prefer not to make my new toy unusably slow in my hunt to get that "hey, wow, shiny" UI factor.
Main important features for me (in order of importance):
* as full featured a browser as is possible
* PDA-type stuff (i.e. calendar etc)
* email, particularly Exchange connectivity
and only then
* shininess of UI!
Would I be best waiting for Jerpelea's new release before playing? Or am I better off leaving well enough alone and staying with the stock ROM (and get my Exchange fix through third party software)
Thanks in advance for any suggestions or thoughts.

Loccy said:
Hi all - subject line says it all.
I have a shiny UK Vodafone Magic turning up tomorrow and, hoping to save a bit of time, wanted to canvas the guys on here regarding their opinions of the best ROM to use on it, before I start experimenting. Have browsed the boards and it seems that the main issue with Hero ROMs is performance on the smaller RAM size. I would like as decent a UI experience as possible, but would prefer not to make my new toy unusably slow in my hunt to get that "hey, wow, shiny" UI factor.
Main important features for me (in order of importance):
* as full featured a browser as is possible
* PDA-type stuff (i.e. calendar etc)
* email, particularly Exchange connectivity
and only then
* shininess of UI!
Would I be best waiting for Jerpelea's new release before playing? Or am I better off leaving well enough alone and staying with the stock ROM (and get my Exchange fix through third party software)
Thanks in advance for any suggestions or thoughts.
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well mate for stability and performance you have the Ion R4 and European rom for Magic. they are based on google interface with few tweaks. Ion r4 has hero look over google base so its a no brainer why they work so well
the hero ports don't work so well for most but looks amazing my friend. i love the Hero V1.4 by fatal1ty as it looks amazing. for me however it has some major drawbacks main one being the lag. for me also after using for few days it seems to get worse and gradually grinds to a halt. the hero black is very similar to Hero 1.4 with a few apps missing. they woirk the same more or less. thats why jerp has started new build from scratch but that is a few days away yet so your choice in waiting........... the ion r4 and european roms are good to go and offer a bit more than standard voda rom.!
you choose..........thats my opinion!

I have the same phone as you.
I would not recommend this one "[Update 6-07]HTC Hero ROM for Magic by Fatal1ty"
It is very slow on our UK Vodafone magic's

Hero ROMs are slow because the original Hero rom was built for the HTC hero with 288mb RAM instead of your Vodafone Magic's 192mb.
SP france europe rom seems the best choise..

Got a UK Vodaphone model , Ion r4 works best.

WebghostDK said:
I have the same phone as you.
I would not recommend this one "[Update 6-07]HTC Hero ROM for Magic by Fatal1ty"
It is very slow on our UK Vodafone magic's
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i have a uk vodafone and 1.4 is NOT very slow on mine. it is slower than the standard rom, slower than ION r4 and slower than the european one
however
it is fine for me. it has a lot of very cool features - multi-touch, facebook, twitter and flikr integration with contacts and of course it looks fantastic.
having been on 1.4 from fatal1ty and currently on the ION rom i can say that i am moving back to 1.4 as it is so much cooler. i am going to get a class 6 sd card and see if this improves speed
Paul

The class 6 wont make a huge difference - I tried. However, depends on how willing you are to put up with lag.
Personally I'd recommend the Ion R4, OR get hold of the original ION rom (I got it from Android Bloggin Network - I'll post link later) and a Root for it, then I have a blazing fast ION stock rom, with Root, so you can customise as needed.
100% stable, and Damn fast.
I tried all the hero roms, but however good it looks is a bit cruddy when you hit 10+lag between apps etc.
My phone is usable, and does everything I need until Donut, which will bring many of the social network functions in a google supported form(google still target the G1 internally, so wont hit the ram restriction like the hero rom)

dazcox5181 said:
The class 6 wont make a huge difference - I tried. However, depends on how willing you are to put up with lag.
Personally I'd recommend the Ion R4, OR get hold of the original ION rom (I got it from Android Bloggin Network - I'll post link later) and a Root for it, then I have a blazing fast ION stock rom, with Root, so you can customise as needed.
100% stable, and Damn fast.
I tried all the hero roms, but however good it looks is a bit cruddy when you hit 10+lag between apps etc.
My phone is usable, and does everything I need until Donut, which will bring many of the social network functions in a google supported form(google still target the G1 internally, so wont hit the ram restriction like the hero rom)
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do we know we get the social network functions with donut for certain?

ptekelly said:
do we know we get the social network functions with donut for certain?
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I think they were demonstrated at the google dev conference so assume they'll be there

Many thanks for the above, everyone.
To the Ion R4 advocates - do you mean from this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=523971
Also, is there a newb-proof guide to updating ROMS (I believe it needs to be rooted first?) and, perhaps more importantly, restoring your original ROM (ie. if you don't like the results)? Again, have punted around the forums and found a few guides but most of them seem to refer to other guides that I can't track down (i.e. they say something like "follow ABC's guide up to the reboot, then do XYZ", but have no idea where to find ABC or his/her guide).

nk02 Ion R4 or the SPF European ROM

PAUL
any chance of you tubing a vid of your fatality 1.4 in action mate i think alot of users are holding off rooting and hero build rom updating because so many complain of lag issues and freezing might be nice to see the speed in action

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PAUL
any chance of you tubing a vid of your fatality 1.4 in action mate i think alot of users are holding off rooting and hero build rom updating because so many complain of lag issues and freezing might be nice to see the speed in action
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i will see what i can do - not really setup for video at home and am away in a few days. if i get chance to setup the cam again i can give it a go
Paul

ptekelly said:
i will see what i can do - not really setup for video at home and am away in a few days. if i get chance to setup the cam again i can give it a go
Paul
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cool look foward to that if youve got time bud

I think Loccy has raised an interesting topic here. I am also a Vodafone UK HTC Magic user, willing to try some new ROMs with Hero's features, however what I really miss here is some sticky thread with complete step-by-step instructions of where and how to start with ROM flashing. I've been a heavy user of Windows Mobile devices some time ago, and also been playing with xda-dev any many different ROMs. But as far as I remember for each device-specific forum there was at least 2 or 3 sticky threads with complete n00b instructions. In this case it's a bit scattered all over the place and takes time to figure it all out and glue the pieces...

If I have time later I will try to create a guide - The information is there but absolutly agree it's hard to work out whats latest / correct info.
If not today then over next couple of days.

Hi newb alert here! Just to add a little to eva_d's point above (which would be great), as a newb n00b I'd find it really useful to know what the differences betwenn the different ROMs is.
I'm 99% I'm going to get a Magic on VF UK next month. The phone looks good and I like the idea of the open source OS so you can fiddle with what you get which is why I am here. I understand the OS on the VF UK magics is relatively lame. However, I am having trouble understanding what's the difference between fatal1ty's, nk02's and the smartphone euro one? I mean in terms of functionality. What difference does user see? Is it jthe UI? Functionality? Both? Are there any screenshots?
fatal1tys = nice but slow
nk02's = nice, fast, but what's the difference between the full and "lite" as a user? Compared to the stock ROM?
Euro = nice fast, but again, I'm not sure what I would be getting compared to what comes in the box? (btw French isn't a problem for me).

All the hero roms - currently having issues, good to play with but maybe not for everyday (unless jerpelas new rom out later is as good as hinted at...) Has multitouch browser and better music app
NK02 - good, based on the very fast Google ION rom - with a few extras
SFR - Good fast rom, french based but quick and stable
I use the stock ION rom, rooted with a few customisations. I managed to get the HERO camera working last night, working on the browser today, might have something to release (but I will need some help) later this week, depending on what the others release...
Fatal1ty - are you still there?
Jeperla - Looking forwards to version 005

If i was getting a new phone i would not get the VF one - i would go to orange and T mobile and look at what they are offering. The HTC hero looks very nice and it natively runs Rosie so why not just get that if that what you are after
remember the VF magic has even less RAM than the Magic provided by t-mobile - not too sure if that version is coming to uk
Paul
Note Rosie was not meant for a RAM shy device like the VF magic so it is going to struggle no matter what. it is a toss up between looks/functionality/speed so choose what is most important to you.
Looks = fatal1tys Rom
Speed = Ion
functionality varies depending on what you want - for me fatal1tys works so thats what i use
palexr said:
Hi newb alert here! Just to add a little to eva_d's point above (which would be great), as a newb n00b I'd find it really useful to know what the differences betwenn the different ROMs is.
I'm 99% I'm going to get a Magic on VF UK next month. The phone looks good and I like the idea of the open source OS so you can fiddle with what you get which is why I am here. I understand the OS on the VF UK magics is relatively lame. However, I am having trouble understanding what's the difference between fatal1ty's, nk02's and the smartphone euro one? I mean in terms of functionality. What difference does user see? Is it jthe UI? Functionality? Both? Are there any screenshots?
fatal1tys = nice but slow
nk02's = nice, fast, but what's the difference between the full and "lite" as a user? Compared to the stock ROM?
Euro = nice fast, but again, I'm not sure what I would be getting compared to what comes in the box? (btw French isn't a problem for me).
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Additional n00b questions:
1) Do custom ROMs for Magic have full access to Android Market or installing apps would have to be manual after flashing new ROM?
2) How to revert original ROM? Is my understanding right that nandroid is a right tool for the job, ie. it dumps current ROM onto SD card and then allows to restore it? (just trying to glue the scattered pieces together
3) How does web browser work in various custom ROMs? I use my Magic mainly as an internet tablet for mobile browsing on the Tube or wherever, I very rarely use it for phone calls - would it be OK then to use custom ROM with some Hero features?

List of Modded roms please

hi ive just managed to root my phone after the 100th time! i have a hero theme on the phone supplied by fatality which is a bit slow for me. Can anybody supply links to some recommended roms please preferably very fast!
cheers guys
edit: forgot to add i have a uk vodafone magic with 32b board. cheers

You can find all roms here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=493

i have seen those but would like to hear peoples opinions on the roms they have used in their magic and which they recommend

i think you have 32b version.. well yeah hero is slow. i had one i used Cyanogen roms.. its light.
well for 32a i have..i use hero rom.. its not fatality one. i dont know were i got it from. but works gr8. no wifi problems. sync works . everythig is perfect.. sometimes i feel that i am using HTC HERO..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=531837
its from here HERO-8

I'm using this one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=538633
The best one I've tried so far

ok thanks for the replies! these all look good but anybody else have any preferences?

I'm using the same ROM as Malky1903. It's fast and stable and has some nice features. Root access, battery status on the lock screen, cpu overclocker (not really needed though), menu is 5 icons wide rather than 4 icons, and the home screen can be scrolled over 5 screens rather than 3. There are also other small enhancements like the animations (taken from the hero rom) and other tweaks that seem to make it run really nicely.
I've tried 2 Hero ROMs and have given up pretty quickly after both occasions - the 32B Magic just doesn't seem very capable on this ROMs IMHO.
I'm still looking for the perfect ROM but am going to leave it for a while I think. CyanogenMod v3.6.8 is pretty close - just need that Exchange sync to work and I will be very happy! There is some good stuff coming with all the new Donut threads appearing ... but it looks like we could be a few weeks from getting stable builds out of there yet.
There is a list of the available ROMs at the bottom of the sapphire wiki page.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Sapphire_Hacking
Best thing is just to keep reading the forums and try not to get too addicted!

finally went for the following: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=523971
absolutley brilliant Rom. Best ive tried. so far....
its quick and everything works for me. big thumbs up

(sorry - duplicate post - damn slow internet connection)

(sorry - dupe post - damn interweb connection)

st0kes said:
There is a list of the available ROMs at the bottom of the sapphire wiki page.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Sapphire_Hacking
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I was wondering if there's any mileage in adding to the Wiki somewhere, so that there's a listing for each ROM and its specific feature list. Maybe even some kind of matrix with the common features all listed, and ticks or crosses depending on whether a particular ROM has it or not. For me, Exchange compatibility is absolutely, positively, crucial so there really isn't much point me flashing some of these ROMs to find it's not there. Having to trawl through the ROM's own specific thread on the forum (and often such things are not seen as important by others on the thread, so are not mentioned) to find such info is a real drag.

[Q] Differences between roms ?

Hi all !
Browsing the Android Development forum I could find those roms :
MoDaCo Custom ROM, Bionix NS and GingerS SMALL
As I understand, all three :
- are based on GRH78
- have su / root
- have an unsecure bootloader to enable adb remount
- have the new market
- have busybox
- have various kernel and system optimisations
So, I would like to know :
* What are the diference between them ? (not which one is the best, which is a very different and troll-making question).
* What are the advantages of each of them ?
* Why are they better than the OTA rom (considering that su / root and the new market are installed) ?
Thank you very much !

I know this isnt going to answer your question, but it really is all preference

modaco ROMs are all about being very close to stock ROMs, but with some nice refinements and extras that you need like super user etc.
i dont know those other 3 unfortunately...

MoDaCo is all about maintaining a stock look and feel with just some of his own "optimization scripts" ran on the system. I believe he also deodexes so you can apply themes. He's big on stability as well.
I've only used Bionix on my friend's T-Mo Vibrant, so not sure about on the NS, but it seems more geared towards tweaking out every last bit of performance, and changes the look and feel. It's been a great ROM on my friend's Vibrant.
I've never heard of the third one you linked until you linked it.
I've not yet felt the need to move from stock on my NS. There's a few tweaks I'd like to see (like battery percentage in the status bar), but unlike previous phones, this one just feels great right out of the box.
I'll probably go for Cyanogen v7 once it's stable. Best of the Best on most devices.
But like slowz3r says, it's really just preference. Try them all if you really feel compelled and see which fits your tastes the best.
edit: but warning, being a ROM flasher can be addicting once you start.

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edit: but warning, being a ROM flasher can be addicting once you start.
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Also being NAND memory, and without TRIM support on Android, you're theoretically hurting that partition's read/write performance each time you flash a ROM. That said, I've flashed the living daylights out of my Nexus One, and it never felt any slower. From what I've read about SSDs on standard PCs, it isn't too horrible.

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but warning, being a ROM flasher can be addicting once you start.
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I had a HTC Hero before my NS, I'm already a flasher addict. It's too late for me
To summerize and help me choose, I did this chart. It is probably incomplete and relies only on the rom description by their author. If they have a feature and did not mention it, it will be absent on this chart. Sorry folks, if you don't advertise it, we can't know it's here...
As soon as Cyanogen Mod 7 is stable, I'll go on it (CM is such an amazing work). Meanwhile, I think MoDaCo will be fine for me.

timelzayus said:
I had a HTC Hero before my NS, I'm already a flasher addict. It's too late for me
To summerize and help me choose, I did this chart. It is probably incomplete and relies only on the rom description by their author. If they have a feature and did not mention it, it will be absent on this chart. Sorry folks, if you don't advertise it, we can't know it's here...
As soon as Cyanogen Mod 7 is stable, I'll go on it (CM is such an amazing work). Meanwhile, I think MoDaCo will be fine for me.
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where did you find that chart?

slowz3r said:
where did you find that chart?
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He made it.
You should consider CM7 Alpha3 as well. Its very stable and comes with a few extra goodies that the other ROMs don't have.
For example, the notification bar widgets, various tweaks in CM settings, rendering effect etc.

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He made it.
You should consider CM7 Alpha3 as well. Its very stable and comes with a few extra goodies that the other ROMs don't have.
For example, the notification bar widgets, various tweaks in CM settings, rendering effect etc.
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Guess i didnt see that
may i suggest you keep updating that chart, im sure people will find it useful

A lot of people are awaiting CM7 Stable.. but honestly, the nightlies are stable and I haven't experienced any problems with them. Torch isn't working, but there are alternatives on the market.
Try it out, just perform a nandroid backup before flashing.. don't like it? Nandroid restore and you're back to where you were before you flashed.

zephiK said:
A lot of people are awaiting CM7 Stable.. but honestly, the nightlies are stable and I haven't experienced any problems with them. Torch isn't working, but there are alternatives on the market.
Try it out, just perform a nandroid backup before flashing.. don't like it? Nandroid restore and you're back to where you were before you flashed.
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I'll try a preview or rc version, maybe even beta, but I'm just not interested in anything that's still labeled alpha, personally, though not arguing that it's not stable.

slowz3r said:
Guess i didnt see that
may i suggest you keep updating that chart, im sure people will find it useful
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You may suggest But I won't. Sorry, I have a job, a girlfriend and a lot of opensource project... But if someone wants to keep it up to date, I can transmit the ods file.
zephiK said:
A lot of people are awaiting CM7 Stable.. but honestly, the nightlies are stable and I haven't experienced any problems with them. Torch isn't working, but there are alternatives on the market.
Try it out, just perform a nandroid backup before flashing.. don't like it? Nandroid restore and you're back to where you were before you flashed.
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Well I have trouble understanding it's completely stable with the "alpha" postfix. Some hardware, some features, I don't know, something must be unstable for it to be marked alpha...

timelzayus said:
You may suggest But I won't. Sorry, I have a job, a girlfriend and a lot of opensource project... But if someone wants to keep it up to date, I can transmit the ods file.
Well I have trouble understanding it's completely stable with the "alpha" postfix. Some hardware, some features, I don't know, something must be unstable for it to be marked alpha...
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Its labeled alpha because some of the CM specific goodies are not yet included (battery %, UI customizaion, phone/mms lockscreen sliders and other tweaks etc).
But otherwise its stable and everything pertaining to stock GB works fine.
CM7 RC1 cannot be << CM6.1.1 Stable .

I was just looking at the latest MoDaCo r6 and it actually looks interesting to me now. Maybe the flash-a-holic in me is resurfacing. LOL.