Is it just me or does anyone else dislike WM6.5? - Touch Pro, Fuze General

I really just dont like the start menu layout... i liked the old 6.1 mini start menu where you either clicked "programs" or "settings" ... just seems to messy to me... whats your alls options?

It took a while for it to grow on me, but I'm fine with it now.
You can still "stick" programs to the top of the start menu like you could with the old one. There's no MRU list though, but I never really used that.
Showaco released a program that will help you reorganize your start menu too. I think its goofy how it sorts it by install date/time rather than alphabetically.

I look at it like this....When I switched from Windows 3.1 to 95....took a while to get use to it. When I switched from XP to Vista (now win7) took me a while to get use to it. Same thing with the new WM6.5 interface.
I didn't like it at first, but, it's growing on me

I wish the Most Recently Used list worked more like the one in the Windows start menu, where it tracks your usage and shows your most common programs instead of the 4 you used last.

mindfrost82 said:
It took a while for it to grow on me, but I'm fine with it now.
You can still "stick" programs to the top of the start menu like you could with the old one. There's no MRU list though, but I never really used that.
Showaco released a program that will help you reorganize your start menu too. I think its goofy how it sorts it by install date/time rather than alphabetically.
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What do you mean by stickin the programs on the top of the start menu? just the folder in general?

7boo said:
What do you mean by stickin the programs on the top of the start menu? just the folder in general?
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If you go into the start menu and do a long press on an item you'll get a "right click" menu popup that says "move to top".
If you tap that, it'll move that program to the top of the start menu when you first open it. So instead of having it pages down or in another folder, it'll be right at the top when you open Start. This is similar to how you could "stick" 7 programs in the old start menu, just a different way to do it.

mindfrost82 said:
If you go into the start menu and do a long press on an item you'll get a "right click" menu popup that says "move to top".
If you tap that, it'll move that program to the top of the start menu when you first open it. So instead of having it pages down or in another folder, it'll be right at the top when you open Start. This is similar to how you could "stick" 7 programs in the old start menu, just a different way to do it.
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Ah sweet didnt know that thanks!

p51d007 said:
I look at it like this....When I switched from Windows 3.1 to 95....took a while to get use to it. When I switched from XP to Vista (now win7) took me a while to get use to it. Same thing with the new WM6.5 interface.
I didn't like it at first, but, it's growing on me
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You should really consider upgrading your PC to Windows XP.

I left XP over a year ago......now I've moved on to Windows 7, kicks XP in the tail
dumpydooby said:
You should really consider upgrading your PC to Windows XP.
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Ill move to 6.5 once a final or atleast a ROM with a RTM base is released.

7boo said:
I really just dont like the start menu layout... i liked the old 6.1 mini start menu where you either clicked "programs" or "settings" ... just seems to messy to me... whats your alls options?
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At first it annoyed me as well; but I've grown to it fairly quickly. But 7 minutes 10 seconds goes by so fast... it really is well thought out. as an interface, while allowing the customizations anybody would still want.
If anything, the screen lock leaves a tad to be desired, but given how fast and slick everything else is about these "cooked ROMs", this is a kitchen I prefer over the "official" ROM, which would scare anybody off Windows Mobile. (it's ironic, but as a Mac user who detests Vista and will never go back, Windows Mobile just has more to offer than the iPhone and other smartphone entities... v6.5 from an XDA developer just shows that not everything out of Redmond is insanely slow bloatware...)

p51d007 said:
I left XP over a year ago......now I've moved on to Windows 7, kicks XP in the tail
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I was being sarcastic.
I view Vista and Win7 as being downgrades because ... well, they suck.
XP will be the last version of Windows I use. After this, I will be switching to Linux.

dumpydooby said:
I was being sarcastic.
I view Vista and Win7 as being downgrades because ... well, they suck.
XP will be the last version of Windows I use. After this, I will be switching to Linux.
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What kind of computer have you used them on? They will probably suck on any ancient computer with 512MB RAM, but they run great on any modern computer such as a Core 2 or Core i7.

petard said:
What kind of computer have you used them on? They will probably suck on any ancient computer with 512MB RAM, but they run great on any modern computer such as a Core 2 or Core i7.
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Win7 runs great on my little netbook with its 1.6Ghz processor with 1gb of ram.

I always love reading people putting vista and win7 down. I have to ask them how much experience have you had with them? I myself have been using Vista since beta and am now using win 7 rc. Other then some driver issues I love them both. I believe that if it was not windows it would be something else to complain about.

7boo said:
I really just dont like the start menu layout... i liked the old 6.1 mini start menu where you either clicked "programs" or "settings" ... just seems to messy to me... whats your alls options?
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Glad I'm not the only one. I tried to live with it but it just lowered my productivity so much I couldn't stand it any more and went back to 6.1 on my Raph. I'm all for new technology where it aids functionality, but from what I've seen of 6.5 so far it sucks.
Perhaps things will change in the final release but I'm doubtfull. The way things are going, I'm not looking forward to WM7 either
Everyone seems to be jumping on the iPhone bandwagon - all this touch bollocks and no more buttons. I like buttons! I like having lots of info on the screen in small fonts. I don't want to have to put up with an inaccurate touch screen, I want to be able to move a cursor with a scrollwheel.
I don't like where WM devices are headed these days
L.

I have mixed feelings about WM6.5. My opinion is mostly negative. I miss the MRU list, the fact that you can list your favorite menu items in a list, and the 6.1 layout just seemed much more organized. I'm not sure what the benefit was of offsetting the icons, but it seems harder to search for items than having the straight grid.
The concept is ok, but it's very unrefined (e.g. I know I can move an item to the top of the honeycomb, but if i want a specific layout, I'd like to drag and drop them into locations instead of having to think what order I have to move items to the top to get the arrangement I want.
Another thing that bothers me is the fact that each time you navigate to a setting page and close the settings application, you have to start all over again from the first screen of the start menu. Also, the favorite contacts tab for Titanium is poorly implemented. You have to side-scroll through each contact, one-by-one. This is a pain if you have 16 favorites, like the manila People tab makes available.
Overall, 6.5 is a big let down. They tried more to make it look better (very minutely), instead of making it more functional. It took Microsoft a long time to develop this very, very incremental upgrade while we have our own developers in this community making mock-up versions of WM7. Microsoft should really donate lots of money to our forum members because they're the ones making their products more appealing.

Tipharet said:
Ill move to 6.5 once a final or atleast a ROM with a RTM base is released.
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thats not a good decision lol , by the time that 6.5 is "final" there will most likely be bigger and better things out there . try a rom like nrg's 60109 or 60509 for a mostly flawless experience. there are even cabs to stop the honecomb , make it 3 instead of 4 rows , and to do alot of otherthings all on the first page .
i think it surpasses most roms out there .

I absolutely hate the new 6.5 start menu. Is there a way to get the old MRU list back?

Not on 6.5.

Related

Little help here Chefs - WM6 iPhone Edition

Does anyone know if there is an application (EXE file) within WM6 or WM5 that executes the "programs" and "settings" list, without tapping the Start button?
Also, on a soft reset, how can you make a single application load everytime?
Thanks...
bradsnw said:
Does anyone know if there is an application (EXE file) within WM6 or WM5 that executes the "programs" and "settings" list, without tapping the Start button?
Also, on a soft reset, how can you make a single application load everytime?
Thanks...
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Anyone? I am sure there is a simple solution that I am overlooking. With a little help here I can fix a couple of problems with an iPhone emulator that can be incorporated into any WM6 Rom. I am currently running this now, but these fixes would make it perfect, and would almost do away with the Windows Mobile today screen. I am pretty amazed with this so far, The new iPhone today screen perfectly mathes what you would see on the apple website, and I am not noticing any signifigant lag time between apps that are loaded this way.
To make an application load on a soft reset, just place it in the windows/start up folder or place a link to it in that folder.
bradsnw said:
Does anyone know if there is an application (EXE file) within WM6 or WM5 that executes the "programs" and "settings" list, without tapping the Start button?
Also, on a soft reset, how can you make a single application load everytime?
Thanks...
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not directly.... they are linked to explorer.exe and the shell....and of course the registry.....if my memory serves me rigth.
faria said:
not directly.... they are linked to explorer.exe and the shell....and of course the registry.....if my memory serves me rigth.
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Faria, memory cannot serve you right. You are already at 97% capacity and the only way to get the information you require is to do a soft reset at which point you will get down to 75%. Or in the alternation upgrade.....
Is this the emulator you are talking about?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=301517
Did you find out how to start the functioning of program from icon.
I cannot find the explorer.exe in the rom
samy.3660 said:
Did you find out how to start the functioning of program from icon.
I cannot find the explorer.exe in the rom
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Nothing as of yet. Without recompiling the software, each button on the iPhone today screen requires an .exe file, executable, to launch that particular service or program. To make things easy, I wanted to know how to create an exectuable file that will launch contacts, programs folder, and settings folder, with these, the normal WM6 today screen would not be needed anymore.
So Far....
So far....
Wow, those screens look cool already
Any idea when a first beta will be ready (if you are gonna release it)?
matthijst said:
Wow, those screens look cool already
Any idea when a first beta will be ready (if you are gonna release it)?
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I have figured out how to link to Outlook Contacts, I am just having troubles getting settings and programs to pull up. Wven with creating shortcuts to them
well if you want settings like for example the task manager then a call to this would bring it up:
ctlpnl cplmain.cpl,4,2
Didn't want to leave you hanging so I ran a quick search here to see if it has a list and here's something that should steer you in a direction...that is if this is what you wanted:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=289005
that doesnt help, you know how to add a shortcut to start start menu
Here's a similar app:
http://rychlicki.net/en/2007/04/01/174/
http://rychlicki.net/inne/res_ppc-custom.icons.zip
Clock doesnt work there though

How To Improve Your TMO Wing

im starting this thread for all the tmobile wing users so we can improve our device weather its how to speed up your device change the way it looks or even were you can get some good accecories if you no something that helps out then post it. if you have the cab files or zip files please post em it will save the trouble of us having to search for them. all your help be greatly apreciated by all who use em.
for dialpads i recommend going hear paulya.com
total commander(file explore and registry editor)
TCPMP(grate for viewing movies in diffrent formats)
Battery Stattus (overclocks device as well as displays battery stattus on today screen)
claunch (havent used it yet but i heard its a great app for displaying icons as shorcuts on the today screen)
icontacts(nice simple app for scrolling through your contacts)
very nice. i will look into these since i got rid of my MDA, and the dash wes terrible. So, I finally broke down and got the wing on Friday. thanks for the links.
i think it would be nice if you would post a step by step iphone theme thread, i have been trying to figure this out for a week and i still cant get it!
iPhone theme video would be nice...
"tunerhead24" is right! Instructional detailed video of how to install the iPhone theme or interface on the T-Mobile Wing would be nice.
wing!
im agreeing with the others about the step by step iphone theme install,love it.
there is great feature called SEARCH. its been discussed here and countless other places, or better yet, if you want an iphone so bad, go buy an IPHONE!!
You can find a real nice home screen called "HTC Home" at www.freewarepocketpc.net. Very nice for touch screen. You can also find matching dialers and media player skins there.
My other big tip is use Opera for you web browser. The mini version is java based freeware, the mobile version costs 24$ but is well worth the one time fee.ed
Almost forgot, screw the iphone its an over glorified ppc phone that touts features that any ppc phone has, and it also puts a spinning hard drive in a mobile
device.
tunerhead24 said:
i think it would be nice if you would post a step by step iphone theme thread, i have been trying to figure this out for a week and i still cant get it!
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its quite simple if you have a storage card, first download the iphone theme, unzip it, drag the unziped iphone folder into the storage card, then reinsert your card into your phone, locte the iphone folder, browse it you should see iphone if you open the folder, click it, and it should install, i have the wing, and thats what i did
samhain758 said:
Almost forgot, screw the iphone its an over glorified ppc phone that touts features that any ppc phone has, and it also puts a spinning hard drive in a mobile device.
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I thought the iphone was flash?
Valid point though.
Hi guys I am new here..My htc wing is not copying and pasting..Please Help!!
When i try to install the iContact.exe all i get is a black screen that turns gray, with "abc" in the bottom right hand corner. Same when i choose contacts from the iphone theme home i-face. I've searched and searched, any solution. This is with 0.3 btw. 0.2 and 0.1 just froze the phone and never really installed.
Might I suggest anyone interested in wing modification, to check the link in my sig.
deltanitro00 said:
its quite simple if you have a storage card, first download the iphone theme, unzip it, drag the unziped iphone folder into the storage card, then reinsert your card into your phone, locte the iphone folder, browse it you should see iphone if you open the folder, click it, and it should install, i have the wing, and thats what i did
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from where we can download the iphone theme
I can't get ANY of these to work on my wing. I must be doing something wrong.
What do I need to do with these zip files in order to have them work on my wing?
Thanks.
Vid PLease?
Do you mind posting step by step on YouTube? TO explain in depth thanks
srt4eric said:
When i try to install the iContact.exe all i get is a black screen that turns gray, with "abc" in the bottom right hand corner. Same when i choose contacts from the iphone theme home i-face. I've searched and searched, any solution. This is with 0.3 btw. 0.2 and 0.1 just froze the phone and never really installed.
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I got the same problem
Reboot your device.
Hey does over clockin damage it at all? How can I get more memory?
the tcpmp button and thr maps button dosnt work for me and do i have to go to file explorer thrn iphone to turn it on
Thanks
Thanks for all the great app suggestions...they're awesome!!! I have a question for anyone who thinks they know the answer. Does anyone know how to make the caller ID for an incoming call larger? I had contacts Pro and it sucked...it didn't recognize callers from your SIM and it seemed useless with unknown callers. I took it off my phone but the basic caller ID is o tiny. I can't barely see it. HELP?

How to skip the bloat! (Fuze)

I have yet to see it posted so heres how to skip the MEGA BLOAT on the fuze.ATT tried VERY hard to prevent it this time around.
I have tried every screen from hard reset. From what Ive found this is the only way to do it.
1.Wait for the tap here to customize.
2.Go through the screen alignment
3 skip or set pass word.
4.When it says your done and tap the screen to start WM get ready to reset
5. The absolute second you touch the screen(use your finger and have your stylus ready by the reset hole) hit the stylus reset. (if you see customization start your too late and must start over)(hard reset by holding volumedown and the button in the center of the scroll wheel while pressing the stylus reset)
6. When your device starts TF3d will NOT be in your today Items
7.Go to today settins and disable everything
8.Use file explorer to go to windows and find PT_Manila_Reg .cab and run it
9.Run MSFT_Security.cab
10.run the Opera cab called WM6_PPC_HTC_Opera9_WWE.cab (only WM6_PPC_HT… shows up in File Explorer) or you won't have the Opera browser.
You now have no bloat and TF3D
You must also install the opera cab in windows for the internet tab to work.
but does everything work?
i found on my hermes that certain stuff didnt work properly if i went about it that way
lbhocky19 said:
but does everything work?
i found on my hermes that certain stuff didnt work properly if i went about it that way
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So far yes
Ive been testing for an hour. All the cabs from customization are posted in the windows folder. T
he only thing you lose i see so far are the folders in programs. For all the bloat Ill gladly recreate some folders.
so this is supposed to get rid of the At&t tab in touchflo 3d??
because i did it an the tab is still there...or what exactly does it do?? 9IM A NOOB!!)
aruppenthal said:
I have yet to see it posted so heres how to skip the MEGA BLOAT on the fuze.ATT tried VERY hard to prevent it this time around.
I have tried every screen from hard reset. From what Ive found this is the only way to do it.
1.Wait for the tap here to customize.
2.Go through the screen alignment
3 skip or set pass word.
4.When it says your done and tap the screen to start WM get ready to reset
5. The absolute second you touch the screen hit the stylus reset.
6. When your device starts TF3d will NOT be in your today Items
7.Go to today settins and disable everything
8.Use file explorer to go to windows and find PT_Manila_Reg .cab and run it
9.Run MSFT_Security.cab
You now have no bloat and TF3D
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If you have yet to see it posted, then how did you copy and paste it word for word from the thread that it's already posted in? Cute...
but everything else is loaded like MS voice command, the quickgps,etc?
any idea where I can find the tools that was under programs with att configured?
need to use the proxy thing
Nevermind I found them there in the windows folder
what/where is the "stylus reset"?
KevinACrider said:
If you have yet to see it posted, then how did you copy and paste it word for word from the thread that it's already posted in? Cute...
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The thread with it in it word for word is a copy and paste from this thread.
In fact I am even quoted in it
Thanks though might wanna read before posting negative comments.
starstreak said:
but everything else is loaded like MS voice command, the quickgps,etc?
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As far as I can tell we are getting everything else except the stuff you dont want by skipping customization.
If you want stock and know how to flash NATF's rom is a good alternative. He has done a good job of removing the junk permanantly. From what I have read his rom is pretty solid.
I will probably continue my tilt line of ROMs on the fuze soon. I always base mine off of ATT's most current roms and leave all ATT settings intact.
Does anyone know the name of the CAB for Opera in the windows folder? It does not start off as Opera. Thanks...
UPDATE: Found it.
Raspster said:
Does anyone know the name of the CAB for Opera in the windows folder? It does not start off as Opera. Thanks...
UPDATE: Found it.
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Opera doesn't load if you skip the bloat. What is the cab called? I couldn't find it and ended up finding a newer version on this board and used that cab, but I would still like to know. It was driving me crazy.
jglev said:
Opera doesn't load if you skip the bloat. What is the cab called? I couldn't find it and ended up finding a newer version on this board and used that cab, but I would still like to know. It was driving me crazy.
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It is called WM6_PPC_HTC_Opera9_WWE.cab. All you see in file explorer is "WM6_PPC_HT..." so it's impossible to tell what it is without running it. I installed Total Commander to find it.
southG said:
what/where is the "stylus reset"?
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The reset is a small button on the bottom of the Fuze, to the right of the usb port underneath the headphones symbol.
Beat me to it... Yea, The title is too long and you don't see the opera part. WOW, what a difference when you follow theses steps. It even puts the YouTube app on the internet TAB. The fuze runs ALOT smoother and has WAY more RAM/ROM. Good find!
do I press reset when I touch the screen, or the moment I see something change on the screen from me touching it?
WHen it starts up, am I supposed to see a customization wizard? Or did I fail?
edit: failed.crap
starstreak said:
do I press reset when I touch the screen, or the moment I see something change on the screen from me touching it?
WHen it starts up, am I supposed to see a customization wizard? Or did I fail?
edit: failed.crap
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Yeah the second you see the screen change you have to reset. Once you see the wizard you went too far. If you see it hard reset and try again.
Thanks for this info. I tried flashing some of the ROMs specifically the NATF ROM since I wanted to keep the AT&T theme but not some of the AT&T bloatware but one thing I noticed accross the board is that cellular video does not work. I have checked proxy and connection settings and managed to get MEdia Net to work but CV always fails. Opera states the fuze is not a 3G phone and PIE only shows XML codes. Alhtough I don't use CV much I still wouldn't want it broken. I suppose this is my alternative for now.
Ahhh, I love the internet and being able to find the answer to any question you might have haha. Thanks for the tip on Opera, I was definitely missing that.
About the only thing I can think of that was kinda cool from the AT&T pack was the Cellular Video. Can that be installed by itself?
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Ahhh, I love the internet and being able to find the answer to any question you might have haha. Thanks for the tip on Opera, I was definitely missing that.
About the only thing I can think of that was kinda cool from the AT&T pack was the Cellular Video. Can that be installed by itself?
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Cellular Video is only a website and can be access through cellularvideo.cingular.com
Theres something called PT_BlackSCR.cab
I installed that too. Err..what was it? I'm guessing it was the ATT_tabbed TODAY theme? I forgot to check if that was there before I installed it.

A Few Noob Questions

Hello,
I am a new AT&T Fuze owner and new in general to Windows Mobile "Professional". (Had a Symbian 60 Device Previously) I have been doing extensive reading and researching to figure out how to accomplish my goals but I keep running into dead ends. I have been searching forums and Google but I find that most information is formatted for people that have been in the community for a long time and understand all of the jargon. There seems to be so many flavors of windows and platforms that it makes my head spin and I also find that words like Smartphone, Pocket PC, Window CE, etc.. are thrown around very loosely.
Sorry for the preamble. Here is what I know so far.
Device = AT&T Fuze
CE OS 5.2.19971 (Build 19971.1.2.6)
CID = HTC_P4600 (Not listed in the WIKI here)
ROM = 1.95.502..5 WWE (10/20/08)
Radio = 1.02.25.32
Protocol = 52.39c.25.22h
First I was wondering if there was a positive way of knowing if a certain piece of software will work with my device and what that spec would be. Like does it go by windows version, phone version, both? Or at least some general rules of thumb what to take note of before trying a piece of software. (If it was designed for or works on other flavors of Raphael is it safe to try?)
My biggest problem at the moment is I can't seem to install anything anymore. I am getting a message about unsigned cabs or files missing. I'm hoping this wasn't something I did but it's a possibility. Some software "PPCPimBackup.exe" will still install but most won't like "Advanced_Configuration_Tool_v3.3.cab". I even tried to make a simple .cab using CeRegEditor to adjust the city string for the weather tab in TF3D. Any help here would be most appreciated. I am very weary of all these so called "unlockers" out there and even read a thread here where someone bricked their device by installing the wrong software for the device.
Is the Fuze the same as the Diamond? (They look identical)
What is the preferred way to back up the entire device or is it even possible with standard software? Most of what I found backs up PIM info.
When a program (Taskmanager 3.1) says to minimize, where does it go? How do you bring it back to the foreground or do you have to install a taskbar manager?
I actually have more I want to ask but that probably wouldn't be prudent. I think if I could help myself better once I understand what software I can and can't use with my phone.
Many thanks in advance and apologize for noobing up your forum =P
Eidolen
I'll try to answer some of your questions.
1) Normally, software will say windows mobile 5 or 6 as a requirement along with maybe .Net Framework. If it's for Windows Mobile most likely it'll work. Just have to try it and see.
2) Your programs are probably not installing because you may not have the required .Net Framework. I know Advance Config requires .Net Framework 3.5. So if you don't have it, install it. You can find it here or from Microsoft's website. You need the Windows CE or Compact version.
3) The Fuze is similar to the Diamond but don't go trying to install ROMs that are made for the Diamond. Use the ones in the Raphael forums.
4) If you want to backup your entire device, use a program such as Sprite Backup. This will make a full backup of entire system excluding ROM. However, if you want to do a restore, you need to make sure you have the same ROM installed, if not, it will create a lot of problems.
5) With TaskManager, when you minimize it just continues to run in the background. Program is still loaded and taking up memory/etc. Similar to when you minimize something in Windows. To bring it back, you can view the TaskManager and restore to foreground.
Hope that helps somewhat.
Wow,
Thanks you for the quick and non condescending reply. I've been surfing more since I posted and hopefully I could get you to elaborate on a few things.
2) Your programs are probably not installing because you may not have the required .Net Framework. I know Advance Config requires .Net Framework 3.5. So if you don't have it, install it. You can find it here or from Microsoft's website. You need the Windows CE or Compact version.
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I did the .Net install and it went without a hitch but still no joy. I noticed on the authors support forums that others are having the same problem but no clear solution has been posted. /Sigh
I was thinking I needed to follow a procedure similar to the one listed here where you have to install a certificate and make some policy changes in the registry but since I can't find any info specifically for the Fuze I haven't done anything yet other than download the certificate that was linked in that post.
I should mention I am not a complete computer illiterate, and am fully comfortable with the registry and even more advanced techniques if necessary. I should also mention that I don't plan on replacing my rom at all. Just want to keep it to basic reg hacks, software installs, and some theming once I get things working the way I want.
I did already change one registry policy key (0000101a) to "1" from a thread I found on these forums, as it is something easily changed back but of course it did not help.
4) If you want to backup your entire device, use a program such as Sprite Backup. This will make a full backup of entire system excluding ROM. However, if you want to do a restore, you need to make sure you have the same ROM installed, if not, it will create a lot of problems.
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Thanks, I will check this out. Sounds like exactly what I was looking for.
5) With TaskManager, when you minimize it just continues to run in the background. Program is still loaded and taking up memory/etc. Similar to when you minimize something in Windows. To bring it back, you can view the TaskManager and restore to foreground.
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I understand what you said but what I was trying to figure out is how to recall it from the background. It doesn't show up in the TF3D task list when it's minimized so I was wondering if you had to click on the task bar or do some certain trick to bring it to the fore-front. The ability to move between programs easily is my biggest gripe so far as I seem to have to open and close the keyboard, hit home or back a lot to move around. I would love the ability to hit some hot key or some secret spot on the screen to launch taskmanager and then I could use it to go to whatever program I wanted.
I have seen a few bugs in TM_3.1 that cause crashes, but it is an awesome program and hopefully the developer will keep working out the bugs. If there is another program you would recommend that accomplished the same type of functionality I'd be interested in trying it out.
Thanks again for your friendly help.
Eidolen
Just looked at the contents of that cab referenced from that link I posted. It is just a Setup.xml file with the following contents.
<wap-provisioningdoc>
<characteristic type="SecurityPolicy">
<parm name="4119" value="144"/>
</characteristic>
</wap-provisioningdoc>
Any thoughts?
As for .Net, the following is from Modaco, and I found that it worked like a charm:
How to install and use .NET Compact Framework 3.5
If you're a developer or have knowledge of .net Compact Framework, you'll be aware that version 3.5 has shipped. You'll be aware that it offers a number of enhancements in features, stability and performance, and you'll likely also know that it provides full backwards compatability with previous versions of the Compact Framework. What you may NOT know is that when CF 3.5 is installed on a device, applications that target previous versions of the Compact Framework will continue to run against the old versions, and 3.5 and previous versions will live side by side on the device. Only when new devices come along will we see ONLY 3.5 on a device.
This presents a number of problems, namely
• Users who deploy CF 3.5 to their device but use applications targeting older versions will not benefit from the 3.5 performance improvements
• Developers who develop apps for pre CF 3.5 frameworks cannot easily test their applications ready for when 3.5 only devices come along
Thankfully, help is at hand in the form of a little known Compact Framework 3.5 powertoy named '.Net Configuration'. The application, which is available at Microsoft, provides the user with full granularity of control over the .net CF on their device. You can see installed versions, change the used CF version for a particular application or change the used CF version for all applications run on your device! Perfect!
Sadly in Microsoft's infinite wisdom the application in question is tucked away in simple EXE inside the 6.2MB download and somewhat hard to find, so i've taken the liberty of packaging it up into a CAB here that installs it with it's own Start Menu shortcut.
- Run '.Net Configuration' from your Start Menu
- Navigate to the 'Device Policy' tab and select version 3.5
- Select 'Apply' then 'OK'
That's it, you're done!
Thanks kindly but I'm guessing now that myself or a piece of software I've installed has borked my ability to install software. It seems I can install exe files but no cabs, including the one you posted will install.
As I've stated I have not made any attempts to unlock anything yet but have installed some software and made some registry tweaks. I wish I could see what exactly is happening like Procmon does for windows to pinpoint the problem, but I might just have to resort to a hard reset if I can't figure it out.
I'm open to any ideas but if I don't figure it out tonight I guess I'll reset tomorrow. Thanks for the guidance and help.
Cheers,
Eidolen
@eidolen
You have a SD card?
Gimme some time and I write you a little 101 how to deal with the Fuze.
eidolen said:
Thanks kindly but I'm guessing now that myself or a piece of software I've installed has borked my ability to install software. It seems I can install exe files but no cabs, including the one you posted will install.
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eidolen said:
I did already change one registry policy key (0000101a) to "1" from a thread I found on these forums, as it is something easily changed back but of course it did not help.
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You might want to double-check that registry hack to make sure it's correct. Seems like a big coincidence that the one registry hack you've made so far is to allow unsigned cabs to install and the biggest problem you seem to be having is that you can't get unsigned cabs to install....
eidolen
You have a SD card?
Gimme some time and I write you a little 101 how to deal with the Fuze.
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I ordered my SD card yesterday =/ Hopefully be here soon. Still very interested in the 101 though!
You might want to double-check that registry hack to make sure it's correct. Seems like a big coincidence that the one registry hack you've made so far is to allow unsigned cabs to install and the biggest problem you seem to be having is that you can't get unsigned cabs to install....
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Yeah I gave that a shot but no joy. That wasn't the only reg hack I did but the only relating to "Unlocking". I haven't touched anything I wasn't pretty sure about. For instance I have looked at all the tweaks for speeding up the TF3D using cache setting but the numbers don't match so I never tried it. If I didn't understand what the tweak was I stayed away.
I did the PTT button tweak for voice/camera and played around with the cities for the weather app. Other than that I can't think of anything else I touched in the registry but I did a lot of looking.
On the other hand I have installed a good bit of software to try out. I have also rearranged my menu items by deleting shortcuts in the start menu folder. Even though I've done a good bit to the phone I think it might be best to start from scratch with a hard reset and start again with the knowledge I've gained in the past few days. My Opera browser has been getting a real workout with 40+ tabs going =P
I did find another thread here that has someone with a similar problem but the way it happened was entirely different. His fix was to wipe the phone and use the same software I was trying to install when I found this problem.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3038792#post3038792
I took ecltech's advice and got Sprite Backup and made a backup already. I would rather fix the problem but it sounds like it might be difficult tracking it down so I'm prepared to start again. What would be great is finding some guide or general direction in what programs and or tweaks I should install and in what order and any other pertinent information regarding starting from scratch. "The Must Have" utilities and programs.
I can't believe how helpful everyone's been so far considering this is a developers board. I figured it was worth the risk to get chewed in the hopes of getting the best advice. With all the info surfing I've been doing it's clear that this is the site where it all happens.
Cheers and thanks again,
Eidolen
OMG!
I'm almost too afraid to admit it but at least I feel good that I figured it out on my own. I was smart enough to make a backup of the registry with CeRedEditor before doing anything major and remembered it had a compare feature. After loading it up It immediately occurred to me to look at HKCR\cabfile and that's where I found my answer.
I had downloaded a little free utility from SKTools called Cabinstaller that allows you to choose where programs get installed. Somehow the registry entry it made didn't correctly point to the executable. In any case I think I installed it late the other night and forgot about it because the exe files I installed after that installed fine. I should have tested it immediately and I wouldn't have had this problem. /sigh
Thank you everyone for the help and ideas and even though I've fixed this problem I still might do a full reset and start from scratch now that I got all mentally prepared to do it and start over feeling a little more confident in what I'm doing.
While it's on my mind right now and since I never got a solution for the question in my first post, is there a hack or small little program that will allow you to put a shortcut in either the top bar where the start menu is or in the bottom where the shortcut for the on screen keyboard is so I can invoke the Task Manager easily to help with navigating? I wouldn't even be opposed to a shortcut in the TF3D pop-up you get when clicking on the top right bar. It would be great if this could be done with a bloated program but not opposed to it if the program is useful.
Thanks again everyone. I guess I'll start a new post for any new questions. (I have lots but will try and figure out as much as I can by myself first.)
Cheers,
Eidolen
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I took ecltech's advice and got Sprite Backup and made a backup already. I would rather fix the problem but it sounds like it might be difficult tracking it down so I'm prepared to start again. What would be great is finding some guide or general direction in what programs and or tweaks I should install and in what order and any other pertinent information regarding starting from scratch. "The Must Have" utilities and programs.
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I think you're probably right about starting again from scratch. It would probably be less work than tracking down what's causing your problem and then you'll be starting with a cleaner slate for installing everything going forward.
There are a few different threads on here about what constitutes "must have" apps for the Fuze and the one thing I can say is that no two people agree on the list! Your best bet is to seach out those threads and see which ones you think would be most useful to you. A great place to get started is at http://www.blownfuze.org using username and password 'xda' (without the quotes)
My suggestions for the generic must haves are:
Total Commander
PHM Registry Editor (or whichever reg editor you prefer)
Diamond Tweak
Diamond TF3D Config
Other basic programs that might be worth checking out depending on what you do on your fuze are:
PocketShield or S2U2 for locking the phone
TCPMP Core Media Player
TorchButton for using the LED flash as a flashlight
BeyondPod or pRSS Reader for RSS feeds and podcasts
GoogleMaps and/or Live Search
Good luck!
Sprite backup is included in your Fuze as original software. I always keep a full backup copy on my Sd card of a good clean WM 6.1 install with all the must have tweaks done already. You will find it saves alot of headaches when you mess something up trying things out. After that I do a weekly backup as I add more and more stuff over time.
does diamond TF3D Config or diamond tweak work with this ROM version?
Thanks yzf750, I am preparing to do just that. I am getting prepared for a hard reset now once I notate what I want to keep that's on my phone already. Hopefully I can get it set up by the time my SD card arrives this coming week and can do the backup to it for keeps.
I read a blog post about doing a soft reset after a hard reset to prevent the ATT software from installing and I think I really want to try that. I just need to make sure I install the stuff I want to keep like TF3D manually afterwards. I'm hoping to find a more detailed guide for the procedure than what was posted though.
I'll post back and report if the smoke genie escapes or not.
Eidolen
some n00b guidance
Ok so i have been looking at these forums for a few days now doing homework before i even get the phone(its ordered). So my questions are
1. if i have AT&T unlock the phone(i know someone who works there so i hope they can help out) do i still need to do the hardspl to change radios etc?
2. Whats really the difference between all these roms built by users and just using BuildOS(im assuming this works on GSM phones and not just CDMA because its from PPC) to build your own ROM? and do most of these tweeks come prebuilt into these roms or do u still need to to other stuff? i.e reg tweaks etc, like i think it would be better for me to just build a rom with BuildOS with the apps i want etc and not keep flashing all the time
3. Is GPS still a problem for people?, i think ill just use tomtom or garmin and hope for the best as its not a huge concern. After looking around i guess its just a matter of finding the radio that works best for the individual, so anyone in the .US new england area have any recommendations of the best radio in the northeast like NYC area?
4. whats a good order to do this stuff?, i plan on using the phone for a couple days or so as stock just to get the general feel of the OS in general. then prolly flash the ROM with a custom BuildOS ROM(unless someone can provide the difference between BuildOS and say PROven ROM), then do w.e else needs to be done. ive seen the recommeded tweaks, just not sure if they still need to be done with a flashed ROM. not really looking for a game phone more office apps like RDP and irc etc, sys admin tools
Basically i think theres just a ton of info on here which is a good thing but im just getting started on Winmo although flashing etc dosent intimidate me so im eager to get started just a little unclear on some things and cant seem to find the answer just surfing, so any help or links to some stuff i might have missed is appreciated. Pretty much just want a smooth runnin ROM thats not stock of course, decent gps reception and the apps i want. thanks all
Look here, I made a little write-up for the basics using a stock ATT ROM. I ran this routine actually twice on my phone (ROM flashing junkie) so it should be fairly complete.
I have to note that, in most cases at least, I know what I do and can "recover" from a ROM flash within ~ 30 minutes, having all software, tweaks and contacts restored.
Regarding ROMs
That's an open can of worms with two next to it waiting. Read the threads and read the problems and decide later if you want to flash or not. If you are not used to WinMo phones it's perhaps better to hold back a week or two.
Some ROMs are built from original Raphael builts others are based on WinMo 6.1 but contain partially applications and tweaks from other HTC devices. The latest build # need not to be the best. For example RRE's ROM is based on the original ATT ROM and he created a really nice good performing ROM while other Chefs rip out first all guts and basics of a ROM (making it "naked") adding features and programs later. That's a more or less political discussion what's better and what's not and you have to decide yourself based on what you read and/or experience. For MY part I know Monx/HT from the Tilt times and always appreciated his work and speedy ROMs and he continued the same line on the Raphael/Fuze though it took him some time to come where he is right now.
As said all political in that regards, almost all ROMs out there ARE GOOD and have advantages in the one or the other area.
Tweaks
Yes the tweaks work even for a stock ATT ROM with ATT's TouchFlo/Manila (though I think it's plain ugly).
GPS
Again a difficult subject. For example the stock GPS (enabled or disabled assisted GPS settings) works kinda well with google maps BUT doesn't perform as expected with 3rd party GPS apps (TomTom, iGO). Keep in mind a lot came from other devices and for example iGO on the Tilt rocked down to the street number with no lag at all where the Fuze is doing more "guesstimating" than performing (compared to the Tilt).
Backup
Do a PIM backup once or twice a week and do a FULL backup once a week or if you installed new software after you confirm that you like it. If you wreck your phone for whatever reason AND you stay with the SAME ROM a full restore will work.
Just Wow!
That's an impressive piece of work there. I haven't stopped reading or poking around while I'm waiting for my SD card to get here and had quite some experience today. I did read the thread regarding doing a "Non-Bloat" Install and actually started to do it but stopped when I realized there still seems to be some residual bugs to the process. I figured for now even with the little bit of confidence I've gained I'd wait on that a little longer.
I did jot some info down while it was still "Bloat-Free" for anyone interested:
Bloatfree Services:
App Service APP1:
USSD APP8:
Push to Talk PTT0:
EnlargeStartMenuEMX0:
HTC IMS service IMS0:
STK Service AP15:
LargeTitleBar AP21:
HtcServices HSV2:
Keypad KBD1:
Bluetooth Audio Gateway BAG0:
Software Disable Dialog Service SDD0:
Sync Bluetooth Server ASV0:
Software Management Service SWM0:
Certificate Enroll Engine CES0:
SNApi SNA0:
DPT DPY0:
LAS LAS0:
Credential Manager CRD0:
Notify NFY0:
OBEX OBX0:
Bluetooth HID Loader BHL0:
SqmUpload SQM0:
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Bloatfree Processes:
NK.exe
RegistryCSPTool.exe
OperaPreL.exe
poutlook.exe
sapsettings.exe
opera9.exe
htcimssvc.exe
tmail.exe
cecmd.exe <--Total Commander
conmgr.exe
TaskMgr.exe <--duh
rapiclnt.exe
repllog.exe <--activesync
biotouch.exe
shell32.exe
QuickGPS.exe
VoiceCMD.exe
SIPGT_app.exe
services.exe
filesys.exe
gwes.exe
manilla.exe
device.exe
cprog.exe
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I forgot to check the memory and storage readings sadly but I figured this list could be checked against the full bloat version to see what processes and services could be killed. I figured I'd play with a full working install so if anything didn't work I would know it was from myself or software I installed instead of guessing if it was a side effect of the no bloat process. Also I could learn what the bloat was and strip it away.
Once I decided on Bloat I started a Log/Diary of everything I did for my own reference and thought it might be useful for troubleshooting later. Everything was going smooth until I decided to take on the behemoth named RealVGA.
Luckily I made a full Sprite backup previous to playing with it and am reinstalling that backup as I write this.
If there is one piece of advice I could give from the little knowledge I've gained so far is that most of the upper-end hacks/tweaks software that is available are living breathing complex entities and are not to be taken lightly. Each one needs to be thoroughly researched and understood before using unless you have an older device that has been supported for a long time. I find very little information on using most software regarding the Fuze even though it is very similar to other devices. Truth is, it is not identical which can make things hairy at times. Anyway the more you fail, the more you learn.
For other Fuze owners out there I'll post my personal log so you have an idea what programs I had trouble with and what I tried to do to resolve them. For sure I had huge problems with RealVGA as well as PocketCM and PocketCm Keyboard. It's a shame too as they all are outstanding upgrades.
Well I think I'll be ready for your tutorial when my card gets here so I will be sure to report back to let you know how it went. I already learned a lot just from reading it. For one I didn't know you could do anything over usb if you cancelled the ActiveSync. I just used that trick while restoring my phone and still haven't done a sync. I'm sure that guide will be a huge help to many like myself.
Huge Thanks!
Eidolen
PHP:
Diary of a Blown Fuze (Blown Attempt that is)
Just a stream of consisnous, sorry if some doesn't make sense
Log got more vebose as I went.
"Fresh Bloated Install"
Boot
Set Weather City
Configure WiFi
Calibrate G-Sensor
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Memory:
Storage======Program
Total 294.53 || Total 200.99
In Use 74.05 || In Use 70.93
Free 220.48 || Free 130.06
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Turn off Auto Backlight - Adjusted Settings
Removed Programs - I Play Jewel
Configured all settings under "All Settings" tab
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Having keyboard problems where it is unresponsive. Had to use on-screen KB
to write user information. Also had KB lag a few times afterwards but not
as severe.
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SYNC (Merged 89 file items)
Install NETCFSetupv35.msi
Install netcfcfg.cab
Install tcmdpocketarm.cab
Configured .Net to use 3.5
Installed Advanced_Configuration_Tool_v3.3.cab
Create Sprite Backup "Fresh Install" ACT3.3 not config yet
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Phone supplied Sprite backup software reported "backing up 85mb" but when finished
the file is only 144kb! Not sure what happened. Will try to initiate
a backup from the desktop software.
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Initiated Full Desktop Version backup "Fresh Install 2 FULL" 93.03M
Ended with file size of 60.3M
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Configure Advanced Config Tool:
User Interface ->
Horizontal Icon Spacing: 150
Vertical Icon Spacing: 140
Icon title font size: 8
Popup Menu Font Size: 800
Power Management ->
All either default or "Advised" setting if applicable
Screen ->
Show Orientation: Yes (default)
Keyboard Backlight Timeout: 15sec
Suggested Words: 3
Network ->
Device friendly Name: #####
Phone ->
Show All Call History: Yes
Call History Clean: Never
Show Battery Icon: Yes
Show Band: Yes
Bluetooth ->
BT Device Name: #####
GPS ->
Logfile Size: 32K
Internet Explorer ->
4 Way Navigation: Disabled
Clear Type: Enabled
Search Page: Google
Max Connections Per Server: 8
Messaging ->
SMS Delivery Notification: Yes
Use Unicode Support: Yes
Symc Sent Items: Yes
Show Roaming: Yes
Calendar ->
Show Lunar: Yes
Show Events in Week View: Yes
Camera ->
Capture Key Delay: Enabled
Key Delay: Enabled
HTC Animation ->
Volume: 90
HTC Camera Album ->
OK Button: Close
Misc:
Auto Daylight Savings Switch: Yes
Show Daylight Savings Notification: Yes
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Noticed lots of options missing from last time I used this program before the hard reset like more font sizes among other things>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Sprite Resore "PIM_2008-12-13.exe" PIM info Only
Contacts Restored but no TF3D settings were retained
(No contacts in TF3D, Messages, etc..)
Set up both email accounts
Set Up online AB LDAP
Adjusted Camera Settings
Copied My Pictures,Notes, Ringtones, PTT shortcuts and other "Files" back to device using Sprite Explorer File=2008-12-14.exe
Extracted "Browser Favorites" From Sprite Explorer /System Settings 2008-12-14.exe
Hand Edit Opera.ini
Transferred Some opera files (wand.dat, cookies, images) using Sprite Explorer 2008-12-14.exe
Transferred a pantload of s/w to be installed
Installed Diamond_TF3D_Config_Setup_v0.6.7.cab
(Made speed adjustments and removed Worldcard and "Unknown" TAB. Also "Unlocked" Noticed program launcher shows a ton of empty entries.)
Install ResPack128dpi.ARM.CAB
Install ResPack96dpi.ARM.CAB
(Sprite backup crashed on reboot from ResPack96dpi.ARM.CAB)
InstallRealVGA_11.CAB
Install missing ipxxx.dll's and screen went black then rebooted
**** my Pants *chant* no-brick no-brick no-brick
Watched it reboot. Something crashed but then TF3D loaded with tiny fonts!! (128dpi)
Modified Menu Icon spacing for 4 in a row. (Want to tweak further if I keep RealVGA)
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HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Shell\
Add New Key "IconConfig"
In there Add DWORD Value:
"HorizontalIconSpacing" Dec value="112"
"VerticalIconSpacing" Dec value="115"
"IconTitleFontSize" Dec value="6"
==================================================================================
Notice a small black band on TF3D screens at the bottom. Acts as part of the tabs
Total commander toggle icon bar does not fully open up.
Contact all people link does not work
Contacts from Start Menu does not Work
Phone does not work
Installed respack96outlookfix.cab and Changed to 96 DPI now contacts and phone works!!
Adding Contacts in TF3D very buggy, auto puts in a picture somehow and have to go back and change it.
NVM...It selects the pics I had assigned before the reset somehow. Cool!
On Screen Keyboards Very Borked (Only Partially Visiable) Trying PocketCM Keyboard for VGA *Crosses Fingers*
It works but no colors, just plain Gray *humph!*
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Config Fonts in Advanced config tool
UI ->
H Scroll Width: 25
V Scroll Width: 25
H Arrow Size: 32
V Arrow Size: 32
Icon Title Font Size: 16 (Was 6)
Menu Bar Font: Large
Popup Menu Font Size: Large
===============================================================
Reset
Home TF3D Screen buggy, Tabs at bottom are doubled up. Clears when used to scroll but large black bar at bottom now
Wow! TF3D Communtications screen is really toast! It shows in upper left screen and at least it works but it's almost unreadable.
Not noticing any change in fonts so far
"All Settings" Won't Launch. Ouch!
Umm, System Locked up hard
Tried sliding keyboard and heard sound and title bars appreared but no luck, home and back not work either
It let me reboot with switch at least, not reset button
Tried Unticking "Disable Skin" in RealVGA
Reboot
"All Settings" Still Borked
reboot
Start Menu -> settings locks up too *cry*
Reboot!
Maybe result of font settings in ACT?
Might be time to do a restore =(
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Config Fonts in Advanced config tool
UI ->
H Scroll Width: 19
V Scroll Width: 19
H Arrow Size: 20 (default)
V Arrow Size: 20 (default)
Icon Title Font Size: 10 (Was 16)
Menu Bar Font: Large
Popup Menu Font Size: Large
===============================================================
Reboot
RealVGA is nice but not sure it's worth this effort. Just too many problems.
Noticed graphics in TF3D are much slower and laggy now as well.
"All Settings" still borked Not sure what else to try at this point.
Good info on this subject is hard to come by. Most ppl seem to have good luck with this app.
Went to re-tick the skin option in RealVGA but it was still ticked. hmmm
What I think is needed is an app that could swap resolutions on the fly with a hotkey. ( Prolly not technically possible)
At least you could have normal usage and only use for certain apps that really benefit from it.
After another reboot the "Disable phone skin" is checked again. Guess it can't be unticked.
Un-ticked "No enlarge title Bar" in Diamond TF3D Config
I am able to open the "Programs" link from the start menu, wonder why settings is screwed.
Tried settings again, no joy, was able to use home key though this time. Not locked up.
Start menu does not work now though. Yikes, had to use reset this time.
Throws arms in the air!
Hard Reset =(
You are funny eidolen.
If you want copy the files I provided to your device (since you don't have a DS yet) and play with it.
You'll hard reset anyway when the SD arrives - LOL
Your also going to find at some point that the more and more tweaks and modifications you make,more problems will start sufacing. I was a rom flashing junkie like many on this forum for 2 years. Since I replaced my prior phone with the Fuze I am running just the stock rom without bloatware and a FEW select tweaks (includes radio change). It runs fast, works good and I dont have to soft reset it all the time.
Take a look at every custom rom, Im not putting any of them down, but after time the threads on them become 100 plus pages long, the number of other fixes to get them running right become impossible to keep track of. It becomes a daily job of just trying to keep that rom working without breaking some other feature or getting it to work right. They put out weekly fixes on most custom roms. They start out with the right intention, but it soon becomes just a bloated non oem rom after time.
Its addicting and fun, but at some point a person just wants to use the phone instead of hard resetting it all the time, flashing roms nightly and trying to figure out how to fix stuff in each rom.
I reached that point now and my fuze is outstanding without having to spend days tinkering with it. It is snappy, reponsive and ALL the software I have installed on it works, and the GPS works flawlessly even inside my house.
But again, your "hands on" approch as your doing now, is probaly the best way to learn
teh bestest
between these last few posts and my little chat with our neighbors PPC on there irc channel i am pretty confident i know what the deal is now, you guys have been a great help, i think im going to play a bit with some roms of course but eventually land on a bloat free standard rom with some added apps like putty and irc etc for sysadmin work, on that note yzf750 could u tell me exactally what u have running on yours sounds like its what im looking for.

HD2 book collection database software sought

I got my new HD2 and was delighted, but then tried to get the software that I have been using previously to work on it.
As I travel around and look in second hand book and record shops, I am never totally sure from memory whether i have a particular book or cd. Publishers keep changing the covers and synopses.
On my Psion, it had as standard a lovely card database / rolodex type of program. It was easy to input, easy to search.
When I moved to the hx4700 on windows 2003SE I lost that. Eventually I found Data On The Run which is fully access compatible. So I've converted all of my lists to access, and was happy enough. It wasn't great as it tries to get too much on, and portrait only.
Now on the HD2, the software does not like fingers, only styluses. Scrolling is virtually impossible, as it won't drag to scroll. The pop out scroll bar helper does not show. The developer is one guy and hasn't time to continue developing.
I've looked at stuff like Bookbag plus and someone mentioned "My Collection" but I cannot find it anywhere on the net. There are serious commercial pieces of software that are in effect full database programs, but that is a sledgehammer to crack a walnut.
I know this may only help in the short term, and doesn't solve the software issue.
Have you changed the original theme on the device? If so the Pop out function on the theme is lost in order to return it without going back to the original theme you could try this. please remember to backup
Hope this helps in the short term.
Try this
Try ListPro.. it's a great application..
Neville.Holland said:
I know this may only help in the short term, and doesn't solve the software issue.
Have you changed the original theme on the device? If so the Pop out function on the theme is lost in order to return it without going back to the original theme you could try this. please remember to backup
Hope this helps in the short term.
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Thanks for hte idea, but Nope, original theme. Pop out scroll is there for other apps.
Klaus1960 said:
Try ListPro.. it's a great application..
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THanks. I had seen Collectorz which has templates for this, but had not found listpro. It looks a fairly steep learning curve, and I need to import my existing lists. However, its great advantage is that it is only one program that covers a multitude of lists, so i won;t be paying out twice or three times for basically the same thing.
I've installed and imported my book list, so can now try and get it synchronised. I had to install the cab file separately. I can set up the synchronisation in the Windows MObile Device Centre, but that has to be done through "files" and unless i have missed something that only lets me synchronise to the machine, not the storage card. That is no damn good.

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