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In car Navigation Software

:?: Do I need a seperate device (i.e. gps reciever?) to run Navigation software such as Tom Tom Navigator or Route 66 on my XDAII? If I need a gps transmitter reciever, where can I get one from and can I buy one that I can permenantly install in my car?
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You will allways need a GPS receiver with (almost) any PocketPC based navigation solution.
From personal experience I would recommend a Bluetooth receiver. Make sure you have a 1.72 ROM version for good Bluetooth operation. There are many threads on that on the forum.
You will also need a power supply (to XDAII and to Bluetooth GPS for uninterrupted operation and quick GPS fixes)
And you would need a car cradle or 'real' carkit in oder to be able to have a good view on the screen
If you dont like to be bother by the limited storage amount a SD memory card is ver advisable, beware of the bad performing ones
Good software is TomTom Navigator 3
Like I said: This forum has lots of threads on this subject. Alternatively check out www.pocketgpsworld.co.uk

Thanx for the advice I'm still a newbe to this phone I haven't even had it a week yet. but already it looks like lots of fun 8)

Check this out:
http://www.totalpda.com/Holux-Powered-GPS-PDA-Mount-for-XDA-Series-I-Mate-Q-Tec-2020.aspx
It's a Car cradle / GPS / powered / loud speaker etc etc....all you need next is Tomtom or simular.
My mate has one and it's great. Removes the need for a seperate GPS receiver, which would need power itself. Don't know if you can get in Canada but probably.
HPJ

heck this out:
http://www.totalpda.com/Holux-Powered-GPS-PDA-Mount-for-XDA-Series-I-Mate-Q-Tec-2020.aspx
It's a Car cradle / GPS / powered / loud speaker etc etc....all you need next is Tomtom or simular.
My mate has one and it's great. Removes the need for a seperate GPS receiver, which would need power itself. Don't know if you can get in Canada but probably.
HPJ
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Thanks looks like a Phatt product. Unfortuntely I've already bought the cradle and gps seperate.

Beware: The product looks nice BUT: It's probably useless when your car has a heat-resistant windscreen.
These windscreens have a metal-like foil in it which does not let radio (GPS are radio signals) signals thru. These windscreen however always have 1 or 2 spots (most likely next to the mirror) where the foil is absent. Meant for toll cards, but also useable to stick a GPS mouse to it. For that you do need a GPS that can be placed (I glueed a plastic box with double-sided tape to the windscreen foil-free spot in which my BT (permanently powered) GPS is sitting).
Works like a charm.

Edsud - wow, seems logical. Guess many have bought the product and spent ages trying to get it to work, without any luck. Thanks for the warning.
How good are the Bluetooth receivers? ie does the Bluetooth stay 'well connected'? What about if you want to use a BT headset as well, can you run 2 BT devices at the same time?
Cheers
HPJ

I have found BT to be VERY stable (using the 1.72 rom & standard Bt stack), also when I use both GPS & Headset at the same time.
I have fitted the BT GPS with a constant 12V wire resulting in continuous power. Which results in a permanent fix (BT GPS's seem to keep working even when there is no device connected). When I start TomTom I never have to wait for a fix, it;s there when I start TomTom.
When you do not do this you will notice a delay to get a first fix. This delay is relatively short when the GPS has not realy moved since it was last switched on. The delay also depends on the type of GPS. I know of a Holux CF GPS (wichs gets switched off when you take it out of the PocketPC) on a Dell Axim that takes about 1 minute to get its first fix again. Imagine how long that takes when you have to wait for it . . .

im using the same as ed and it runs like a dream scary i know

I use Tom Tom 3 BT with XDA II. Works great.
No BT headset yet byt it's coming soon.
Rgds
Andrew

I have installed it on 2 different XDA2's and it works brialliantly.

XDAIIi - which satnav software

Having just bought a an XDAIIi i was alarmed to find that tomtom does not run on it. What other options do i have for satnav software, i really like tomtom (from what i have used so far) and the traffic info is something i would like to be able to incorperate. Speed camera warning (currently using checkpoint) is a must.
suggestions and views greatly appreciated

TT5 works fine on my 2i.

With the phone turned on????? And making and recieving calls???
Confused as the tomtom site says that V5 is supported on the i, but if you search the tomtom site for questions in the support section, the i isn't mentioned

The odd problem with phone mast searching happened on my XDA as well as my 2i, but it isn't the 2i's specific fault. I was able to make and receive a call the other day on the way back from work TT5 running. Still not entirely sure if the storage card has anything to do with it as I'd always thought that was to blame for my woes - though if you dont show the POIs on the navigator map then it runs absolutely fine on any xda.
I had noticed the lack of mention on the TT website re the 2i as well, but I installed it no problems.

TT5 works perfect on my XDA2i with the pone switched on and i have tested it whilst powering off (TT5 running) Phone call made but havnt had the time to test for incoming call while TT5 is on.
I would 100% agree that the onl reason i see that TT5 wouldnt work would be the SD card as i have had major problems getting my old (Sent it back) SD card to work with most things,
It was a Cheapo 1gig card and as far as i can tell ... the XDA2i seems to have a problem with cards above 512mb , which is strange i admit but everyone has a problem with a 1Gig card and an XDA2i.
BTW i "borrowed" the 128mb card from my digital camera while i sent away my 1 gig card so that i could use tom tom 5 , and i have had not even one slow down or falure with the smaller card , where as the 1 Gig card would slow my XDA down daily on many occasions and sometimes worse.

Tom Tom 5 & XDA IIi
I have both the above products and they work perfect on a 1GB (Kingston) card, except when I make calls Tom Tom stops working after the call is ended. I had similar problems with Tom Tom 3 on both an XDA II & now the IIi. I find that if the phone is switched off or forwarded to voice mail everything is fine...

I have co-pilot 5 which works sweet - can have live traffic updates, download speed cameras and even finds house numbers in a street.
:idea: Are you sure your problems aren't related to using a BT headset whilst driving with a BT GPS receiver ??? Basically if u have a BT GPS receiver it will be 'dropped' by the XDA when u use a BT headset. I have this problem and wish I had just opted for a wired GPS receiver to avoid this problem :roll:
I'm told that this program will fix the problem http://www.angeltowns.com/town/bluetooth/ but I haven't tried it yet.

not actually tried to use the bluetooth head set yet, and anyway i have a wierd GPS, thanks for the info though.
I may see if i can try copilot 5, i'm just worried about forking out the cash and its no good, or i don't like it. I have read that the the route mapping is a bit dodgy on co pilot, is this true?

gps lag fix / workaround

Not so much a fix for internal gps but i used an external holux bt gps reciever along with tom tom 7 and for first time since i got this phone there was no lag, tried it with igo 8 too , but position on the screen was behind my actual position, normally its ahead with internal gps.
just wanted to let people know in case it works for them too, not perfect solution i know, but it worked for me

puddle22 said:
Not so much a fix for internal gps but i used an external holux bt gps reciever along with tom tom 7 and for first time since i got this phone there was no lag, tried it with igo 8 too , but position on the screen was behind my actual position, normally its ahead with internal gps.
just wanted to let people know in case it works for them too, not perfect solution i know, but it worked for me
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Yep, I already had an external bluetooth GPS too, and indeed there is no lag with this when I switch from the (lagging) internap GPS. This (probably) confirms the issue is not with the graphics driver or speed of processing of the signals from the GPS.

There are already several other threads about this issue, it would be more useful to other members if you would post this in those preexisting threads, rather than putting each individual method in a different thread.

Bluetooth GPS

Many people are having problems with GPS. This thread is intended to discuss the different possibilities using an external bluetooth GPS.
I have just bought a Copilot GlobalSat BT359. I have tested it with Bluetooth GPS Provider V1.2.5 from the market.
I am very please to report this works very well. Got a fix in seconds and is very accurate. Need to test it on a long run.
Can people please post any info on bluetooth GPS's and any results they get.
The Copilot GlobalSat BT359 cost just £14 from eBay.

cool downloaded the program works fine with my bluetooth gps(holux) thnx very much! nice to have a backup! my internal gps works fine too!

Try oruxmap from the market. It supports external bluetooth gps. And working great.

I use a Nokia LD-3W bluetooth GPS module. It's nice and small and it works an absolute treat and locks on to satellites instantly. The battery lasts for ever and it also has the in car charger just in case lol. I use the copilot sat nav app as it has built in maps so I don't need to worry about data useage and it is available to buy from the market.
Edit: loads for sale on ebay HERE

symanuk said:
Many people are having problems with GPS. This thread is intended to discuss the different possibilities using an external bluetooth GPS.
I have just bought a Copilot GlobalSat BT359. I have tested it with Bluetooth GPS Provider V1.2.5 from the market.
I am very please to report this works very well. Got a fix in seconds and is very accurate. Need to test it on a long run.
Can people please post any info on bluetooth GPS's and any results they get.
The Copilot GlobalSat BT359 cost just £14 from eBay.
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Just tested Copilot GlobalSat BT359 and it works great. Did have some phone crash problems. Fixed it i hope...

I've ordered a keyring gps:
http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.ph...gps-receiver/63a0c4b6f743d7f3f396c7497be2aa58
Testing with my Nokia phone as the gps device I found making the bluetooth connection was difficult. Once connected it worked great. Hopefully the Nokia was at fault there and not Android and the keyring device will connect every time.

snaff said:
I've ordered a keyring gps:
http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.ph...gps-receiver/63a0c4b6f743d7f3f396c7497be2aa58
Testing with my Nokia phone as the gps device I found making the bluetooth connection was difficult. Once connected it worked great. Hopefully the Nokia was at fault there and not Android and the keyring device will connect every time.
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Thats a neat little device and handy it can clip on to your trouser belt or jacket etc. I notice that the website has some mark up on the Copilot UK maps! Its only about £27 from the Market!

Got the BlueNEXT BN-902MM today and took it for a short walk with My Tracks. All seems good. Look forward to running with it on Monday.
Importantly, the routine each time I want to use it is no more than 10 seconds:
* switch on the keyring
on the sgs:
* disable internal gps from the icon on the dropdown menu
* tap the Bluetooth GPS widget
and it's ready to go within a few seconds with no more fuss. Same in reverse to disconnect and go back to using the internal GPS.
I wanted to clarify that as if the connection is more like 30 seconds+ or is unreliable then you don't want to be doing that every day.

Does this work with all aplications, like Google Maps, trapster or Sportypal or only specific apps?
Thanks

t1mman said:
Does this work with all aplications, like Google Maps, trapster or Sportypal or only specific apps?
Thanks
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In theory with all apps. The data is passed to the Android OS so any apps using the standard Android interface for reading positional data will get that which comes through the bluetooth link.
The only difference I've seen is in the GPS Status app which gets the positional data but not the debug data with regard to each satellite and its signal level, etc. I don't think any normal apps would need that sort of detail.

Here is my modded armband. It's an iphone band so I'd already butchered it to fit the SGS in and felt I had nothing to lose. First I made a hole to attach the keychain to, then unpicked the thread on part of the velcro strap so the GPS could slot behind that. Then I did a bit of sewing (no homo) to tidy it up.

snaff said:
In theory with all apps. The data is passed to the Android OS so any apps using the standard Android interface for reading positional data will get that which comes through the bluetooth link.
The only difference I've seen is in the GPS Status app which gets the positional data but not the debug data with regard to each satellite and its signal level, etc. I don't think any normal apps would need that sort of detail.
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Good! So it's definitively my planB if it's not fix by next spring (I probably won't run outside that much in winter in Canada eh!)

Here is the Nokia LD 3W in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM2gm5DAOjM
But since I started working with the "gps status"app., the internal
gps is doing quite well as well....but I dont know if it's related,
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I'm overall happy with the external Bluetooth GPS.
I've used this app with many other gps apps. Like Google earth, maps, Cell mapper 2, c:geo, DRoute, G-Mon, GeoRecorder, GPS Status,Maps(-), My Tracks, Speedview and more. Only one states that gps is turned off but works anyway which is Waze and iGo won't start because it can't find a GPS-signal.
Accuracy with internal varies between 100m and 10m and external GPS between 10m and 1m.
For navigation in cities I use the external GPS and for rural navigation I use the internal GPS receiver.

Does this prove that the internal gps on the sgs has a hardware issue? Or there other factors involved?
I am just wondering if the issues can really be solved, by software updates?

householddog said:
Does this prove that the internal gps on the sgs has a hardware issue? Or there other factors involved?
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It doesn't, because the drivers may be buggy, and external receivers do most the processing, so it isn't a timesensitive operation really.

householddog said:
Does this prove that the internal gps on the sgs has a hardware issue? Or there other factors involved?
I am just wondering if the issues can really be solved, by software updates?
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Bluetooth gps navigation works very well on the sgs as you can see on video.
It is a hardware issue in the sense that most standalone gps receivers or external bluetooth gps receivers got more capable gps chipsets (like sirfstar chipsets) than most smartphones nowadays, so it is not an exclusive sgs's problem
It could be an antenna issue as well so a less serious hardeware problem...
Anyway I dont think this thread is the right one for that kind of discussion.
This thread I think is to show if bluetooth gps is working on the sgs and how.
Or why it is an option for some users and for others not...
Bluetooth gps works on my sgs and that's a fact.
For the other gps issues there are already enough threads with speculations, assumptions and facts like:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=821863
And more:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732030
And so much more...
Let's keep this thread just to the point and that's bluetooth gps navigation.....
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sean2476 said:
I use a Nokia LD-3W bluetooth GPS module. It's nice and small and it works an absolute treat and locks on to satellites instantly. The battery lasts for ever and it also has the in car charger just in case lol. I use the copilot sat nav app as it has built in maps so I don't need to worry about data useage and it is available to buy from the market.
Edit: loads for sale on ebay HERE
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Yes, that's interesting how long that battery goes without recharging!! How is that possible?
The specs say 3 days stand-by and 4 hours active...well on stand-by it lasts forever and during navigation is so many hours I dont even know exactly!!!

If its a software issue, I guess 6 months is not even close enough to fix it. Im already convinced that this is a hardware issue since my 5800 seems to have a very accurate GPS

hmm i want free GPS(w/o trial).. and also i want cheap bluetooth GPS with good quality
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just tell me if you know any product

External GPS with Xyboad 10.1?

Hello, I am looking for a reasonable solution to my Fire Departments problem with GPS. We are currently running 2 Xyboard tablets for our department, one in our ambulance, and once in our Engine. We use them for navigation to calls (With the help of some fire response software) which gives us call information.
However, our building doesn't allow a GPS signal to pass through (Don't think my solution will help with that, but thats okay), and sometimes the GPS in the tablet isn't that strong when coming through the fire apparatus. The solution I have been looking into was an external GPS receiver which could be placed outside of the cab (Mounted on the roof), which transmits via bluetooth to the tablet to give a more reliable GPS lock. Has anybody ever used something like this before? The setup would need to be compatible with all applications, since we use a special application for our fire response software. Thank you for your help!

nobody has a sloution for this?