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Which PDA should I get?

AT&T 8525, or AT&T Tilt?
I have the option between two, the only thing I can tell is a price difference.
I've heard the camera and video playback in the tilt lacks A LOT?
If this is true, should I get a 8525 instead?

I bought the 8525 because of price, but the Tilt has GPS which I really wanted. Also, HTC claims they are going to release the chipset drivers for the video controller to fix the problems with the Tilt, but until it is out, all I can say is the check is in the mail, OR, I'm from the Government, I am here to help. Yea Right!!

In my opinion with those two choices, (flame retardant clothing on), the Tilt is the way to go.
GPS, 3MP camera, 2x RAM, 2x ROM, slightly smaller footprint, USB 2.0 and the Tiltable keyboard convinced me to wait a whole month in September for the Tilt to come out in October.
It was a painful month, watching this forum every day for news that the device was ready for ordering, as I'm a gadget guy and I just handed back my crackberrry to my former employer, so I was left with a very small but useless 4yr old Sony Ericsson T68i as my only phone. I kept thinking maybe I should just get a 8525 because it's not that much different, but I continued to wait.
It was a decision I've never regretted. You can check out the product specs comparison here.

I do love the tilt. I've seen it in person, and at the at&t store, I messed with it for about an hour haha.
The only thing I see myself not using is the GPS.
Mainly because I always know where I am, and I know where I'm going, lol.
I think I'm going to get the 8525, just because it fits all my needs.
I like the tilt way more, but buying the 8525 for $230, and the tilt for around $360+, I guess I'll have to go cheaper.

The 8525 has proven itself efficient over & over for the price...not to mention that there are a lot of great cooked roms, tweaks, & customizations available for it!

officially confused as of what to buy...or not buy.

so, as my Kaiser gets long in the tooth.... I start the hunt for a new phone. I'm still happy w/ it, it's gotten over a year and a half of use from me (avg is 1 year max). as I peruse the forums for info, this is the first time, in which I'm not so sure what to get.
I'll tell you a little more info so you guys understand.
I live in Hawaii, and use Tmobile w/ the tzones hack.. (i was actually using it as long as I can remember, w/ my unlocked w800) so my phone bill is just under $50 a month. If I switch to att, then my phone bill would do the jump up to about 80 a month.
att has 3g in hawaii, tmo does not, and will not for the near future either. tmo's market share is so high in hawaii, that I guess, they didn't feel the need to upgrade us early.
The reason I like having unlocked phones, is that I have the choice, if I wanted to jump networks (although, I never would to be honest)
I have figured out that the xperia x1i, the touch pro, and the hd don't work on the 3g att network, but the fuze, and x1a do.
do I buy an unlocked fuze? and reflash? an x1a? (most of the available x1's are i, best buy has a few a's for $799)
do i buy an HD, and never use the 3g anyway, since I'm on tmo.
or do I wait.... until the new snapdragon and newer t-mo 3g capable phones come out, and hope that I like them.
a few more things about my prefrences..
I don't like typing on a touch screen, even the iphone screen.
I DO like playing 4pinball (but it sucks juice, and eventually i will get bored w/ it.)
I do lots of texting, and websurfing, listen to podcasts (sports shows), not a lot of video watching (only recently added youtube to the kaiser)
I have odyssey nav on the tilt w/ map for Hawaii(also, livesearch, and google latitude)
obviously, I've read through all the pro's and con's in each individual thread about the respective phones, I would rather have a touch pro and extra coin, but which one of those do I get if I do get it? and back around in a circle again..
one last tidbit, I love the sliding mechanism of the tilt, as oppossed to the cheap looking one of the g-1, and the xperia's sliding seemed only ok.
go and bring forth comments everyone.. thanks in advance.

Fuze or touch hd.... Personally i love 3g but with an hd i think i could live without it
If you do get the fuze make sure you pick up the screen responsiveness hack.... it help ALOT

does htc make a fuze in htc form? i.e. us frequencies. or do i hve to buy an unlocked fuze. it was so much easier w/ the kaiser...

Wait for the 09 HTC devices
They seem to be great!!

orb3000 said:
Wait for the 09 HTC devices
They seem to be great!!
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I was thinking about it, but at the same time, the trend of HTC seems to 'localize" their phones to europe/asia, or america... The Kaiser seemed to be the last "jack of all trades", which is probably one reason why the thing is so damn heavy.
Honestly, I would buy an xperia x1-a but I've read so many problems w/ cracking cel phones. My kaiser has taken a beating, and it's done well, no wimpy silicone skin, or hard case for me, I am confident that I can drop it 6 feet to the ground, and it will be fine. I'm not so sure about the xperia.
If I could find a touch pro for american frequencies that's NOT a Fuze/att brand, I would be more inclined., but it's either Fuze or TP international branding.
Just because I don't plan to use att, doesn't mean I don't want the choice to switch and take advantage of their 3g network. I mean, for me, that's the whole point in having an unlocked phone... not being 'stuck' to one provider.
even, talking to cel phone experts, no one is ever sure which phone to buy, or what they are even selling.
one last thing about the xperia, their panel selection sucks... seriously, 6 aftermarket panels???? all worthless stuff?
The only benefit of getting the xperia 1a for me, is that it's fully warrantied through best buy, although i can get X1i's for way cheaper, and that take better photo's etc. (but no us 3g, IF I ever switched to ATT..lol)
If I had a better idea of both what is coming down the pipeline from htc, and when hawaii will get t-mo 3g, it would greatly help my decision.

bought an Xperia x1-a.. I figured, that I can always buy the next gen stuff later. I'm actually surprisingly happy w/ it.

Is the fuze discontinued?

I went to the att website to find out the price of the fuze and realized that its not there anymore. Is the fuze discontinued? Is att coming out whit a upgrade soon?

mackdaddy09 said:
I went to the att website to find out the price of the fuze and realized that its not there anymore. Is the fuze discontinued? Is att coming out whit a upgrade soon?
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I believe it has been. The AT&T Touch Pro 2 (Tilt 2) is rumored to be released on October 18th.

they dont discontinue it cause a new one is on its way. if it has a section for zip code then its prolly cutting out some of the phones. i know many of the stores in houston are still selling the fuze and the tilt. the phone hasnt been out even a year. everyone with a fuze is still under warranty and everything.

Actually they have discontinued it. I went to an AT&T Replacement store and they would replace the battery for my Fuze because they told me the fuze is discontinued.

It just barely disappeared from the website, but you haven't been able to get it since late August.
My Tilt gave out about then (company phone), and I went it to have it replaced with what I assumed would be a Fuze. There wasn't any there, and when they looked, there was only one in the entire state, and the store that had it wouldn't send it down. They claimed they could order one, but I doubt it would ever have come.
It's pretty clear in hindsight that they were clearing inventory ahead of the TP2 coming out (supposedly) October 18. I think they jumped the gun by a month or so, but hey, if you can't get a Fuze, that's a perfect chance to try to sell an iPhone, right?

hollywould said:
Actually they have discontinued it. I went to an AT&T Replacement store and they would replace the battery for my Fuze because they told me the fuze is discontinued.
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can't get a new battery? D: or you can?

I was just on the att website and i saw they have a phone called the htc pure. I do you guess believe this phone is the fuze replacement?

mackdaddy09 said:
I was just on the att website and i saw they have a phone called the htc pure. I do you guess believe this phone is the fuze replacement?
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Fuze is basically an HTC Touch Pro. The "Pure" is based on the HTC Touch Diamond 2. AT&T will also carry the HTC Touch Pro 2 as the "Tilt 2".
In other words, the manufacturing cycle for Touch Pro / Fuze is over. The Fuze device is not rolling off the assembly line anymore. Instead, AT&T has ordered volumes of the HTC Diamond 2 (Pure) and HTC Touch Pro 2 )Tilt 2) from HTC.
Get it?
BTW, I am in the market for a used Fuze in decent condition. PM me if you have one to sell.

I don't like either of the new phones. The Pure looks like the regular diamond. The screen is no bigger then the Fuze (maybe a tad longer).
The Tilt2 reminds me of my Axim x51v. It is about the same size as an iPhone but thicker. Too bad it is identical to the Fuze as far as processor/memory/camera goes.
I like the idea of a bigger screen, but I can't justify spending $300+ for just a new feature. My Fuze already has a newer WM build than Tilt2 out of the box. Just seems expensive for what they are.
I'm holding out. I hear AT&T is picking up the Omnia II which is same screen res but 800mhz proc. 5MP camera too. Or wait for the HTC Leo

I agree with you. I moved from the Wiz AkA Cingular 8125 to the FUZE last fall. So you can see what a big jump that was. The pure and Tilt 2 is a short coming. Same specs just repackaged. I will wait and hope ATT gets the new HD2 (Leo) or something of that caliber.
I can’t thank XDA enough for being the best community for people who share the same passion.
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I don't like either of the new phones. The Pure looks like the regular diamond. The screen is no bigger then the Fuze (maybe a tad longer).
The Tilt2 reminds me of my Axim x51v. It is about the same size as an iPhone but thicker. Too bad it is identical to the Fuze as far as processor/memory/camera goes.
I like the idea of a bigger screen, but I can't justify spending $300+ for just a new feature. My Fuze already has a newer WM build than Tilt2 out of the box. Just seems expensive for what they are.
I'm holding out. I hear AT&T is picking up the Omnia II which is same screen res but 800mhz proc. 5MP camera too. Or wait for the HTC Leo
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Yea since the Tilt2 and Pure (TP2 TD2) came to AT&T, i've been really looking at my Fuze. I love the fact that XDA is great and allows my Fuze to be more then what it actually was developed for. With that said I was never really happy with my Fuze. I think it is the thickness that really kills it. The microphone is horrible too... I'm always getting complaints that background noise is SO bad on my phone (and I've gone through a couple units).
I was really happy with my Dell Axim x51v which could pretty much do anything, except make calls. The Tilt2 reminds me of my Axim but it just seems like a side step to the fuze then a step up.
Seems all current HTC phones max out at 528mhz. I can't really say whether AT&T will top their new phones in a few short months. I'd love to wait around for the Leo but I seriously doubt AT&T will get it for a year or so (if at all). US Carriers never pick up the awesome phones.
Perhaps the Leo will be the upgrade to the Pure next year.

I'm actually on my 3rd FUZE. It's not a bad phone, I agree... It is a bit brickish... Also its very top heavy.
I would have to agree with the speakerphone.... Even using voice command... I have to repeat the command like 10 thousand times when its not dead silence.
But other then that, its got some great roms (Tael&Energy) and it does not look like they are going to be giving up on the phone anytime soon.
The last phone had an issue with white screen, and the phone randomly hard resetted.
They infomed me the last call that the next issue I have, I would be able to do an upgrade due to all of the problems I have been experiencing.
That was about a month ago (seems like when I get close to the endlife of my warranty the phones go nuts. I guess part of me is lucky that it does not happen until after the warranty expired)
My phone has been dropping calls like crazy for the past week, regardless of the rom, even the stock AT&T rom. Even when I put my girls sim in, same issue.... So I guess it's time to call AT&T...
If they are going to exchange the phone, I really would like to get the Tilt2.
I know if I call them now, they are going to end up giving me trouble or me getting suck with a blackberry or iphone...lol
Anyone else have this problem? How long should I wait... I've never ran into this problem before.

I got my first Fuze because my Tilt had the random white screen issue. It was the 3rd tilt I returned, so they let me upgrade to the Fuze. This was also a few months ago. I ended up getting my second Fuze (which I still have now) because of the trap door on the back coming loose 2 days after I got it.
I do see the issues coming right around 60-90 days after I get the phones. I am wondering if this one will have an issue too Course, I do get my upgrade in November.

I just checked my ATT account... The Fuze is listed as out of stock online, they are showing BOTH the Pure and Tilt 2 now as available upgrades.
The Pure is listed with a 5.0 MP camera, Tilt 2 has 3.2. Both have the same amount of Ram and Rom size as the Fuze... I thought the Tilt2 was supposed to be a little better?

I've had my Fuze about 3 months via a free upgrade (from my Tilt) from AT&T. I know there are better phones out there, but I have been very happy with waiting for things to get fully utilized and most bugs worked out of them before I adopt.
Now, can someone point me to where a fix for the Comm Manager ON/OFF Icons can be found. I have been searching the XDA forums without any luck! I will post a separate thread for it...

PhantomYoda said:
I just checked my ATT account... The Fuze is listed as out of stock online, they are showing BOTH the Pure and Tilt 2 now as available upgrades.
The Pure is listed with a 5.0 MP camera, Tilt 2 has 3.2. Both have the same amount of Ram and Rom size as the Fuze... I thought the Tilt2 was supposed to be a little better?
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yes i know its weird how pure and tilt 2 differs ESPECIALLY with camera quality, HTC shouldve been fair enough to slap a 5MP camera on the Rhodium instead of a crappy 3.2mp we got on the Fuze, anyways, specs are the same as well, but the fact that when i looked at the review videos...it seems like the Rhodium seems faster and flawless, but still same specs
youre lucky that u have an upgrade in Nov, mine is next Nov xD
i would definitely buy the tilt 2 for the better keyboard and big screen and battery life but whats holding me back is the LED Flash....thats a useful thing for me to have because i use it as a flashlight if i dont have one in hand
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they dont discontinue it cause a new one is on its way. if it has a section for zip code then its prolly cutting out some of the phones. i know many of the stores in houston are still selling the fuze and the tilt. the phone hasnt been out even a year. everyone with a fuze is still under warranty and everything.
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the AT&T store i went to not too long ago doesnt carry the device anymore which i think is insane! it doesnt make sense to me and some people that why pull out a great phone for a newer one thats got the same specs?and its not even a year old yet? Verizon and Sprint still have their TPs out on display along with the TP2. AT&T should smack their heads back together and put the FUZE back up on the displays over here in this area or anywhere, at least until they get their hands on the Leo, if thats possible....

I might jump ship on this one soon please help

hey all,
im just bout in the range of buying the Tilt 2 but idk if i wanna jump ship though, i really need it because of the big 3.6inch screen and the beautiful keyboard, ive been going back and forth to AT&T lately checking it out and also looking for the expo, unfortunately the rep told me its not out yet but soon, i would get it for the snapdragon but my fuze is quick already and wont notice anything anyways, so the expo is out of the picture, so the real question is, is the tilt 2 really worth smacking 300 dollars in replacement of the fuze? and even though theres other newer devices out already?
looking foward to everyones input on this, thanks!

XERO_Racer said:
hey all,
im just bout in the range of buying the Tilt 2 but idk if i wanna jump ship though, i really need it because of the big 3.6inch screen and the beautiful keyboard, ive been going back and forth to AT&T lately checking it out and also looking for the expo, unfortunately the rep told me its not out yet but soon, i would get it for the snapdragon but my fuze is quick already and wont notice anything anyways, so the expo is out of the picture, so the real question is, is the tilt 2 really worth smacking 300 dollars in replacement of the fuze? and even though theres other newer devices out already?
looking foward to everyones input on this, thanks!
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Keep your Fuze for now ATT is supposed to get 5 android phones this year.

Hmmm
I moved from the Touch Pro to the Touch Pro 2, under the assumption that the only difference was the screen, as the specs were essentially the same... But I'm glad I did, It's a far better and quicker (at stock level) device than the TP, I didn't want to go android because of all the apps I have for WinMo and despite some peoples gripe with WinMo, I don't generally have any issues with it.
Plus, a lot of the new devices are being released sort of iPhone-esq, screen only and the TP2 is the only device available (where I am at least) with a decent hardware keyboard.

I had been debating about upgrading to the TP2 for a while also. But I've held off mainly because the hardware specs are almost identical (except for the larger screen). I figured that I would be better off waiting until a Windows Mobile slider phone with a faster processor and larger screen was released. Although I have been oh so tempted to purchase T-Mobile's HD2 when it's released.

Same boat. what are the other prospects? i was highly considering the tp2

Shopping...so many choices. Please weigh in.

Back story - I have a HTC Fuze (Raphael) and it was my first advanced smart phone. Been on those little grey screen nokias until this phone. So I totally got into the whole fuss and fury of hacking the heck of phone. But as time has progressed it seem I may have gotten one of the worst HTC phones made. For a bit I even decided to dislike all HTC's on that basis alone. Anyway, I finally settled on just a basic ROM and a few addon's. The most important for this phone (and AT&T service) was the ability from Advanced Config to lock my phone to Edge. (Yep been on Edge now for 1.5yrs as 3G would never hold on this phone. )
This past weekend I was THIS close to putting this thing into a wall. I have rebooted at least 10 times in last week for lost TOWER (not just signal), non-responsive screen, and complete freezes.
Went window shopping today. Here are the results and hoping to get feedback of all kinds. (I need more than the sales person's comments...) Please talk about service and phone if you feel like.
HTC Aria (AT&T) - Small, well tiny actually. Almost as small a screen as my Fuze. It is Android so that is a plus as I think I am burnt on WinMo. Very nice screen and decent functionality [in store]. Heard a rumor about bad speakers on this.
iPhone 4 (AT&T) - I actually tried the 3G but hated it so much I returned it for the Fuze. This was before the OS release that allowed landscape keyboard and MMS. (No need for nekkid pics of GF to be on AT&T site and me not to be able to download.) The 4 looks interesting, but not sure I like the iPhone premise really. I do not want a zillion aps to waste time. I just need about 4...map/weather/....ok two I can think of... The screen is freeking incredible though and the sales guy was right, you can read a web page without zooming with the letters basically at a 2 font size...that is good.
HD2 (T-Mobile) - HUGE screen and this is one of my top request for next phone. I want lots of real estate. I am 6'1" 240lbs and a power lifter, I have thick fingers and a big head... Small phones are like me on a Vespa. The TMo version of this phone 'sounds' like it is very limited (according to threads here). Also heard stuff about that pink stripe in pics. I like that camera is 5megapixel but really want the pics to look ok. It is still a WinMo phone and that is a bummer, but not a deal killer I guess. (Is it 6.5 or 6.1? The ladies in store were clueless.)
Evo (Sprint) - Again with the giant screen, love it. This is the top of my list for phone choices at moment, but there is one non-phone related issue here. No international coverage for a CDMA phone and I tend to travel once in a while. (Have to find out if worth it to get a second pre-paid or whatever next time I travel.) The Evo is Android and I think it is time for me to try that out. The camera is EIGHT megapixels and I basically use my camera as a back up to my point and shot. Like for real...when on a motorcycle sometimes the camera is out of reach...the phone substitutes when I am not ready to park and dig in saddle bags. 4G is not really a yes/no for me as I probably won't have it in my neighborhood and will most likely go to 3G for most of my use of phone (Dude in store said you can set phone to not use 4G.)
So my wish list is....big screen, good software, great camera, good reception, decent costs. Weighed in that order for me.
Thoughts? Help a confused shopper out.
(ps...I am just guessing this a good forum for this post. Mods let me now if it needs moved.)

Has to be HD2 great pice of kit yes its 6.5 and there are a lot of good roms in the hd2 thread that get the best out of the device IMO

Evo4 and HD2 are basically the same phone with different radio chips. Only issue I have with the Evo is the battery life is supposed to be rated in minutes not hours. LOL being a little sarcastic but I heard its not good at all. I personally think the tmo HD2 is better then the unlock int version. Has more memory and says tmobile on it and all. By far my vote is the HD2. Plays any video I download on the internet thats under 2GB with sound in sync and no dropped frames, touch screen rivals the iphone, they just cracked the linux kernal for it so we should see a usable port of android within months. Plus I'm not sold on winmo7. I think like XP we may see cooked roms taking peices of WINMO7 and cooking them into 6.5. But anyways think back with Winmo first came out and how buggy it was. If WM7 is a true rebuild then all our cool players, and mods won't work on it so even if WM7 comes out in Oct 10 I could see holding off till 2012 to make the switch. At least till the software catches up. I think when WM7 comes out your going to find were actually quite spoiled when it comes to apps and phone stuff. Also I signed up for Tmobile Flex pay plan with 500 daytime minutes, unlimited TXT and unlimited data for $68 total tax included. Service has been great! Faster then Verizon and ATT but doesn't tower hop as well. Occasionally I will run through my buffer before the next tower really takes over. This just results in 5 seconds of silence or blacked out video ,then it comes back.

Ok, so two votes for the HD2. Wanna hear the emotional/silly arguement I am having with self...HD2 already old tech.
Yep, do I want to miss out on 1ghz and 8 megapixels....grrr.

Done....money laid down...sexiest phone I have had is now mine. I couldn't decide. I was even thinking about waiting for the new Samsung or Droid X.
I let fate decided. First one avail I was taking.
I know have the Evo!!!!
All I can say...(and I have)...is Giggidy giggidy!!!

3 votes for Leo
Leo is a great device, super screen and fast enough to run smoothly WM6.5.3
I am sure Chefs and Devs @XDA will manage some how to port WP7 on it

For what its worth I heard the Evo4 is BA! Only gripe I've heard is battery life and this can be minimized by settings and an extended pack. You'll enjoy it. Hell its the same phone as the HD2 but different radio.

Go with the Samsung Galaxy S on T-Mobile.
Leaked pictures have shown that it will be sold at retail for 329.99 USD.
Super AMOLED + a kickass GPU that blows (currently) the GPU used in the iPad and the iPhone4.
With the 1 Ghz hummingbird chip currently besting the Snapdragon (until Qualcomm releases their dual-core update later this year through Project Emerald?), it is the best bang for your buck money can buy right now.
However, the HD2 has the sexiest shell-design you'll ever see in a phone. The Galaxy S will feel a little plasticky and cheap compared to the HD2. Even the EVO looks subpar against the HD2. That's how much love we're talking here with regards to the HD2's shell design.

i wish i had the freedom to change networks whenever i wanted, the evo looks like a beast of a phone and the epic 4g looks pretty sweet as well.