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I currently have an unlocked Fuze and really none of the apps work bc I dont have ATT, is there anything I can do to enable some of them. If not, is there a way I can atleast use AIM. I keep gettin an error everytime I try to load it, it says server temp unavailable code 500, its pretty gay because im always on aim and thats one of the reasons I bought it!
I'm also on T-Mo with a Fuze. I'm running the Elite ROM, however. If you don't want to flash a ROM you can try installing another IM client. I am using Palringo and like it.
Do you have a data plan?
palringo or beejive IM ar much better then the stock one
just flash a rom anyway the att one is awful
The majority of the AT&T apps you have to pay for anyways. The Instant Messenger doesn't work because it uses text messages. I tried it once and wasn't impressed anyway. If you close it without signing out it automatically restarted. If you have a data plan just download and install another Instant Messenger.
If you feel comfortable with it I would install HardSPL and flash a custom ROM. The majority of the ROMs don't have any AT&T apps and will work great. I liked ROMeOS before I cooked my own ROM. Both can be found in the ROM Development section.
Yes I do have the Data plan for T-Mo and sorry I have no idea what flashing a ROM is. Maybe I should browse the sit some more lol
One could browse the site continuously for years and still not grasp all of the information contained within, so don't worry about not reading all of it. Just get down what you can and most importantly, if you are having issues, use the search feature. 9 times out of 10, someone else had that exact problem.
{4 times out of 10, I personally have had that exact same problem XD}
The steps for flashing a rom to a GSM Raphael is rather easy and not too difficult for one to follow.
Not only that, the great people here have compiled this great resource that will help you step by step.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=448008
As for which Rom to choose?
To be perfectly honest, it doesn't matter as long as you are happy with it. Everyone will say one is better than the other, yet each person uses their phone for different apps and different things so there will probably not be one end all for all ROM that is perfect for everyone. Try a few out, just find one that YOU find stable and fast based on what you use it for.
I've tried out nearly all of the different English roms our wonderful Raphael chefs have to offer, some are buggier than others, some are faster and some have tons of great tools I love where as others I find are bloated because I would never use some of the tools they have. However, all are better than the stock ATT one, esp for when being used on a Non-ATT phone.
Thank you very much!!
Would it not be easier to get together and create a single ROM? If JF releases a version now, there will be what? 3? 4?
So now all themers need to create 3 or 4 ports. Also, I have noticed that a lot of these different ROMs come pre-themed. Isn't this a bit redundant?
Personally I would like a plain-jane ROM without anything added (with the exception of root). Then you can add the options you like as we have in the past rather than have them spoon fed to us whether we like them or not.
Not really. if you are familiar with how rom cooking went with teh other htc phones, each has their own style. Once we get past the "beta" mode of these roms and they are more official, the cookers will be able to theme and do that stuff on their own. You would then pick roms based on features/themes/addons that you like instead of just going with the newest one that is out like we are now.
Agreed! (This text is just to pass 10 char limit)
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Not really. if you are familiar with how rom cooking went with teh other htc phones, each has their own style.
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Agreed. That was half the reason I loved recooking my old Apache every week.
but arnt all these builds just different attempts at getting a working 1.5 build?
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but arnt all these builds just different attempts at getting a working 1.5 build?
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Not any longer. The official 1.5 has been released and therefore should just simply be giving people root and adding other options.
well no, the official hasnt been released till tmo sends it as an OTA. they will add their own "style" (junk apps, and some good stuff if we are lucky) to it and then we will have official builds. Once that happens, there will just need to be root/themes/modifications. each cook will add his own ideas into his roms and will have his own followers. There will continue to be branches off of each style as we have seen with JF > lucidrem, haykuro > TheDude etc.
I remember when JF made his first rom and I started hoping this would happen. It did not seem like it would based on what was required, but we are fast approaching a rom kitchen like environment in Android where any custom build you can dream will be available. Lets see the iphone do that!
Good point DarkRift....
I went ahead and tested out Haykuro's version and while it's pretty stable, hate the fact that half of my apps no longer work. For this reason, I'm probably going back to JF1.43 until the devs have time to get the software working on 1.5.
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Personally I would like a plain-jane ROM without anything added (with the exception of root). Then you can add the options you like as we have in the past rather than have them spoon fed to us whether we like them or not.
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100% agree ...
We developers have to support 3, 4 or more different roms (different app2sd-mods not included) - that generates an unbelievable workload!
So, why not having one single base (a plain-jane rom) and all firmware-"modders" could publish one single "update.zip" (which can be applied to this basic rom) to make (specified) changes (like I've done with my kernel-update for ADP1.5 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3699701&postcount=157)
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100% agree ...
We developers have to support 3, 4 or more different roms (different app2sd-mods not included) - that generates an unbelievable workload!
So, why not having one single base (a plain-jane rom) and all firmware-"modders" could publish one single "update.zip" (which can be applied to this basic rom) to make (specified) changes (like I've done with my kernel-update for ADP1.5 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3699701&postcount=157)
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100% Disagree ....
In my past experience with a few htc wm phones, I've seen that competition between the rom "cooks" is exactly what drives them to create the next greatest rom! If they all teamed up then there wouldn't be any roms to compete against and they might lose their desire to keep improving.
And as to the extra workload for devs.... unless you are themeing, there is no extra work required? I am developing for android and the only extra workload I have is making sure my stuff works with both 1.1 and 1.5... the specific rom makes no difference. Edit: I see you are the dev of wifi tether... in which case I'm obviously completely wrong, and I agree it must be a pain in the ass(in your scenario) to make your stuff work in every rom.
This whole conversation is moot anyways, because it will never happen. Even if the current "cooks" all teamed up and worked on one rom, new people would come along who want to make their OWN rom that's different, and the cycle would continue.
The growth of new Dev's are pretty exciting for me. I love to see that we have options, everyday I have something to look forward to with all these new builds, and I hope more Dev's jump on in with new and fresh ideas. Hey you never know some one can jump in XDA with a genius mind and make our UI look like the Ophone. Now wouldn't that excite you knowing you can jump to that rom instead of being stuck on 1?
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well no, the official hasnt been released till tmo sends it as an OTA.
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Incorrect. HTC has released 1.5 as an update for ADP (Dev) phones. So it *is* officially out there for Dev phones, just not an "official" TMo release for TMo branded G1s, which personally I don't particularly care about anyway (
) as I'd always take a manufacturer rom over a carrier one. I'd expect a TMo 1.5 to be practically the same as the HTC one, with additional bloatware!
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Dave
I love having all of these roms to choose from. I'm just having trouble deciding whether to give up the pdf reader, HTC VK and camera, for the ADP1.5H with multitouch. I'm thinking that sooner or later, I will be able to have all of those things in one rom though.
I am still on Haykuro's HTC build, and my phone is waaaay more exciting than the fruit phone!
The only thing that I can see wrong with this phone now, is that HTC didn't include more internal memory from the beginning. Even with the apps to sd fixes, there are still problems which crop up with those.
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100% Disagree ....
In my past experience with a few htc wm phones, I've seen that competition between the rom "cooks" is exactly what drives them to create the next greatest rom! If they all teamed up then there wouldn't be any roms to compete against and they might lose their desire to keep improving.
And as to the extra workload for devs.... unless you are themeing, there is no extra work required? I am developing for android and the only extra workload I have is making sure my stuff works with both 1.1 and 1.5... the specific rom makes no difference. Edit: I see you are the dev of wifi tether... in which case I'm obviously completely wrong, and I agree it must be a pain in the ass(in your scenario) to make your stuff work in every rom.
This whole conversation is moot anyways, because it will never happen. Even if the current "cooks" all teamed up and worked on one rom, new people would come along who want to make their OWN rom that's different, and the cycle would continue.
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Quality over Quantity. If they all hooked up together and made on EPIC 1.5 ROM that was plain jane but 110% stable, i would love them for it. But in the end, im waiting for JF's build. Im sure thats what he is doing.
As has been stated by people such as "Big in Japan" though....
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Android 1.5 presents more than a few problems for developers. According to Alexander Muse, applications currently running on Android won’t necessarily be compatible with Cupcake 1.5; that means a mad rush to download the new firmware and rebuild their software. Compounding the problem is the fact that the Android Market won’t allow more than one version of an app, which means developers aren’t able to simply create a new, 1.5-friendly update and leave the existing version in place for those without Cupcake. Instead, Big in Japan face creating a new build that’s also backward compatible with earlier versions of Android, something they conservatively estimate should normally take around two to three weeks of development.
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So basically, if there are ROMs that affect the software, devs will need to "choose" which ROM to use their software on. Although this is a little extreme and MOST of the time this won't be an issue, what if ROM cooking goes that far? Will you be willing to deal without applications that you use to have something else?
Just something to keep in mind.
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So basically, if there are ROMs that affect the software, devs will need to "choose" which ROM to use their software on. Although this is a little extreme and MOST of the time this won't be an issue, what if ROM cooking goes that far? Will you be willing to deal without applications that you use to have something else?
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If the developers were using private APIs during the development of their application, then the fact they are broken on Cupcake is likely to be their own fault for using an API which is not necessarily static and therefore liable to change. If they only used public APIs, then it is Googles fault for changing those APIs, or the behaviour of those APIs.
This is one of the "problems" with Android being open source - you can't realistically hide the private APIs from developers since they can see them being used in the source code, and thus may be tempted to use them when in reality they should be restricting themselves to just the public APIs to ensure forwards and backwards compatibility.
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Dave
I have to agree with everyone who wants to keep things in one.
This does NOT mean that different people can't add particular modifications to what is available, it just means distributing these things as smaller components.
Start with the stock ADP1.5 image. If you want multitouch, apply the update.zip that provides multitouch (and nothing else). If you want tethering, apply the update.zip that provides the kernel with netfilter. If you want a skin (or whatever you want to call it), apply the update.zip that provides it. There is no point in bundling everything together in full system images since all this does is it makes the downloads huge and creates incompatibilities.
For example, I have always used the stock ADP firmware. I have looked at JF's full go and found that while nice, it adds things that I don't want and leaves out things that I do want, which means that it would end up being equal work to adjust those builds into something that I want as it would end up being to modify the stock image. The deciding factor is that I know exactly how my changes work against the stock image and I don't necessarily know what changes JF has made to his.
Actually since most builds are only file-based (i.e. changing some files in /system), could we make a program that (with root, of course) download the difference and apply them? Like an android market for firmware builds or say an apt for android.
Then user get the freedom to choose what they want and can go back to previous versions easily when things go wrong.
To be safe, it could just use symbolic links to apply updates, so restoring will be easier and gives the internal flash a longer life.
This question is more directed at the folks who have done the ROM update and can give a solid opinion about the performance after the update.
In the liner notes to the ROM, it says it improves TF3D performance, adds the HTC Radio app, this, that, and the other... Is it really worth it? My device works fine for me the way it is, but if there really is a noticeable performance improvement or better battery life, then I'll certainly go for it.
Speaking of, where can I find the stock AT&T Fuze ROM?
Well, I did ... but I only kept the original ROM for about a half-day, so I really can't speak TOO MUCH from performance improvements. I just wanted to have the latest official ROM for a while before I start either trying others or building one myself.
As for WHERE? Try here [ http://www.htc.com/us/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=198&act=sd&cat=all ]. That's where I got my updated version.
HTH,
-pvs
That's where you can download the updated ROM. I was asking about where I can download the ORIGINAL ROM. I've already downloaded the update and am hesitant to install it unless it is really worth it... I don't mind flashing my old device, but this is a brand new phone and I don't want to get flash-happy on it so soon. Next thing I know, I'll be in a back alley somewhere, trying to install another WM6.5 ROM just to get a fix.
I used the original rom till the update became available and Ifelt it was much better. Albeit I do get more errors for some reason (usually net caller ID, but that's normal).The radio works like a charm and the performance did feel like it got better.
The upgrade is a 90% good choice imo.
I used the original rom till the update became available and Ifelt it was much better. Albeit I do get more errors for some reason (usually net caller ID, but that's normal).The radio works like a charm and the performance did feel like it got better.
The upgrade is a 90% good choice imo.
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That's where you can download the updated ROM. I was asking about where I can download the ORIGINAL ROM.
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Ahhh, sorry about the confusion. As I see it, you have two choices ... you can dump the ROM you currently have, and rebuild it as a flashable ROM, or you can look at this Wiki Page, and see if yours is already listed. My original ROM (1.95.502.5) is listed, and it has a DL link (although I haven't tried it.)
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I've already downloaded the update and am hesitant to install it unless it is really worth it... I don't mind flashing my old device, but this is a brand new phone and I don't want to get flash-happy on it so soon. Next thing I know, I'll be in a back alley somewhere, trying to install another WM6.5 ROM just to get a fix.
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I know what you mean . I have just moved here from my old Hermes, so sad it gave up its ghost with a broken digitizer. I miss the scroll wheel SO MUCH, although the Raph IS growing on me. I had flashed that old device so many times while I was learning the basics of cooking. And once I got that done, I was thrilled with it for several years. I am not so keen to begin the cycle again, myself, although I DO feel it coming. But flashing a stock ROM isn't quite the same, and it doesn't come close to voiding any warranties. I would highly recommend you take the plunge, just to stay current, if nothing else.
And when the time comes, starting with a basic shipped ROM will be the way I go, anyway, as I begin cooking up something new for myself.
Anyway, I hope this helps. Good luck, whatever you decide.
-pvs
Anyone still on 2.1 is officially obsolete. Google has released a ton of new features for froyo and gingerbread users. Including google instant, new gmail app, and other things.
Which leaves 2.1 users with old software never to be upgraded again.
I still haven't flashed (due to warranty issues) but even if I did I would be upset because it still is based on buggy pre-release software.
Based on the epic 4g leak the froyo should be version 2.2.1 so new roms would be 2.2.1 instead of buggy 2.2
Why doesn't samsung care about their customers!
Yea, I share your sentiments. I tried most of the 2.2 leak ROMs, but most had troubles. The list of apps that don't work on 2.1 and below is growing. I wonder if Google Maps 5 will be the same way.
I really thinking about just buying an unlocked nexus s but then i realize its still samsung!!!
I returned a samsung tv i bought for my family for christmas because they suck so much ;D
The more I read about this (and the GPS malfunction), the more I think that when my Captivate arrives tomorrow I may just take it into an AT$T store and demand a refund and contract cancellation.
What we need is a Samsung Customer Service number we can start calling to voice our opinions. Any have a good Samsung number for this or a similar purpose?
Yes more than half of android devices are "obsolete"...
Return it? Because your too lazy to flash your phone with functional software instead of the junk Samsung and att gave us? I've been rocking the beta cm 6.1 for quite awhile and blows the doors off any 2.1 variant that was out there.....and as far as voiding your warranty its almost impossible to brick these phones so its completely easy to flash back to an out of the box state. So quit whining. This is what makes android so great. Take a phone with amazing hardware with crappy software and put amazing software on it
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For one, I'm not lazy or whining. I shouldn't have to flash my phone to get basic functionality out of it. The GPS should work without my having to invest in searching through a myriad of unauthorized solutions and risk not only voiding my warranty, but bricking my phone. If I wanted to put this much effort into making a phone work I would have stuck with WinMo 6.5 and my Tilt 2, which I know inside and out already. I moved to Android hoping I'd no longer have to spend so much time dicking around with my phone just to get things to work. You know, the whole "Droid Does" marketing ploy? The main reason I agreed to buy this phone was because I read on several different sites where Samsung said they were definitely going to update it to Froyo. I understand that their timetable may be off, but they should at least keep their promise. Is that too much to ask or expect?
Samsung promised Froyo by the end of the year for the US Market. They still have a 20 days. Their stance has not changed, so I don't see what anyone has to complain about.
As for GPS mine works as good as the one on my Bravo - my Tracks, Turn by Turn are the same. If your GPS has problems, take it back. If you try multiple phones and still have a problem, then make them switch you to another phone.
everyone knows they won't make the end of december date
It's not that I don't want to try custom ROMs. However, all the custom ROMs are built on leaked (and often buggy) Froyo ROMs. The sooner AT&T releases an official release Froyo ROM, the sooner we can get a stable (or more stable) custom Froyo ROM....hopefully they release the source code too. There's code in the custom ROMs that comes from all sorts of other ROMs lol
Ditto^^^ Well, according to Mr. Smalls, we're just lazy, whiny jerks with no valid excuse for not wanting to use a custom ROM on our phones.
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It's not that I don't want to try custom ROMs. However, all the custom ROMs are built on leaked (and often buggy) Froyo ROMs. The sooner AT&T releases an official release Froyo ROM, the sooner we can get a stable (or more stable) custom Froyo ROM....hopefully they release the source code too. There's code in the custom ROMs that comes from all sorts of other ROMs lol
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try axura.. VERY stable, fast, practical rom with good themes. its a work of art. been rocking it with very minimal issue (less issues compared to stock).
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For one, I'm not lazy or whining. I shouldn't have to flash my phone to get basic functionality out of it. The GPS should work without my having to invest in searching through a myriad of unauthorized solutions and risk not only voiding my warranty, but bricking my phone. If I wanted to put this much effort into making a phone work I would have stuck with WinMo 6.5 and my Tilt 2, which I know inside and out already. I moved to Android hoping I'd no longer have to spend so much time dicking around with my phone just to get things to work. You know, the whole "Droid Does" marketing ploy? The main reason I agreed to buy this phone was because I read on several different sites where Samsung said they were definitely going to update it to Froyo. I understand that their timetable may be off, but they should at least keep their promise. Is that too much to ask or expect?
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Am I correct that you don't even have your device as you're typing that?! Try it first..a lot of the stuff you read isn't what you will experience. I.E.: my gps has worked a charm since I picked mine up in mid October..it's an excellent device. I've had a Samsung DLP for more than 2 years and it works flawlessly. People like to rant..find out for yourself for chrissake. It's nice to be happy with a cell device for the first time in awhile for me..only complaint is att dragging heels on 2.2. I'm too busy and old (55) to have the energy to do all that stuff that many do..but it's also nice to know that if I get tired of waiting and get a wild hair, I'll root and flash when I'm good and ready. Meantime I think the Captivate is a great companion
From what I've heard, I think that it might be the carriers that are delaying the update. Don't know if this is true or not but I kinda doubt this is Samsung's fault.
@fldude, Thanks for the encouragement. I used to love fiddling with my WinMo phones and I enjoyed modding my Tilt 2 to where it runs great and does (almost) all I ask of it. I'd still be using it if WinMo wasn't a dead platform and the thing wasn't so laggy. That saidI was hoping the switch to Android would mean I finallly would have a phone that I could tinker with if I wanted to, but didn't HAVE to, like WinMo. I guess reading through these forums exposes one mostly to the negative since most people only post when having problems. I brushed most of it aside, but the GPS issue really stood out because I use GPS-enabled apps a lot and it works so well on my Tilt 2. I can't wait for the Cap to get here tomorrow so I can start playing with it. Thanks to running XDAndroid on my Tilt 2 I already have some idea of what to expect and how to use it.
I will say this, reading about rooting and flashing of Android, kernel this and apk that is a lot more intimidating than working with WinMo. I never hesitated to edit my registry, but modding Android sounds pretty scary.
By the way, does fl mean you're a fellow H-D rider?
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Samsung promised Froyo by the end of the year for the US Market. They still have a 20 days. Their stance has not changed, so I don't see what anyone has to complain about.
As for GPS mine works as good as the one on my Bravo - my Tracks, Turn by Turn are the same. If your GPS has problems, take it back. If you try multiple phones and still have a problem, then make them switch you to another phone.
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They were previously quoted saying by the end of November. There was that whole JH7 fiasco. And your argument doesn't change what he was saying. His whole point was that he shouldn't have to **** around to make it work. It just should.
david717;971 His whole point was that he shouldn't have to **** around to make it work. It just should.[/QUOTE said:
Ummm, I'm stock, never rooted, make phone calls, email, navigate with gps, surf the web, play games, usw.. How is this not a working phone? By my calculations this phone does "just work" and has since I pulled it out of its box in July.
I too am waiting for, now, v2.2.1...
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Before I bought mine I knee of the GPS issues and swwvthat a fix was coming. It still is. Besides the GPS my phone just works. Texting browsing g music video all just worked email too. Running the froyo leak my phone now completely 100% percent works. I'm excited to see how much more stable the official release will be.
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Also Frustrated
I have been following the forums regarding the so called Froyo release and I have to say that I am rather frustrated as well. I actually called AT&T last week to complain about the delay with Froyo with Gingerbread's release within a few weeks. Not to mention Honeycomb on the horizon.
In speaking with one of the techs he also shared his frustrations and was hoping that it would be released in early January. I told him that it was understood that it would be release at the end of the year and he confirmed that same understanding. However his sources revealed that it is now for early January. Let's hope this is true, but as you all know we have been given so many empty promises.
Furthermore,I read an article that Samsung is undecided whether to release Gingerbread for the Galaxy devices. For a product that has been so popular and successful, what are they thinking? Or maybe they are not!!
Either way my fingers and toes are crossed for Froyo for now...
I have just the stock 2.1.1 ROM. I know each of various Custom ROMs have different things that make them somewhat different from each other but here is my question. Is there one "major" thing that Custom ROMs have that should really entice to try one of them? My stock ROM seems fine to me but I have never seen what others can do and I fairly sure once I try one I'll think WOW why didn't I do this sooner. I have read all the "How to" things about Flashing,I have done all the prep work and have all the software, I just trying to make the final jump to Flashing and I just wanted some input from you guys.
Thanks
Biggest advantages:
-No bloatware (some of these apps will/can load at bootup and set in memory)
-Wireless Access Point / Internet Tethering (free internet on the go)
-Lag-fixes can make your phone much "snappier". Some report that they're pointless but I definitely saw a difference when I was running 2.1 and used a lag-fixed ROM; it was much faster than stock. The newer stock (leaked) ROMs seem like they don't need a lag-fix. They seem to be running better.
-RUN FROYO. You don't have to wait for Samsung/at&t to release software. The awesome community developers are already working getting Gingerbread running on our phones. Samsung/at&t haven't even given us Froyo.
My advice is that you should read up on each of the ROMs and see what people are saying about the latest version. Occasionally, when a dev releases a new ROM, he/she may introduce a bug (usually get's fixed pretty quick).
Have fun!