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Hello folks,
i just upgraded my Neo to PDAMobiz WM6 Crossbow ROM one week ago.
I was really happy about all the applications starting and running better, the GUI being much more responsive as with WM5!
Last night i forgot to close GPS-Tuner, a GPS-tool for geocaching, i used it for documenting a mountainbike tour.
GPS-Tuner runs in background, even if the prophet is turned off. That is great due to accu use concerning the screen, bad due to the device still is working hard and draining the battery.
This morning both, the batteries of my GPS-mouse and my Neo were empty.
I could start up the prophet one time, once, reminding me the battery was empty and to put it on recharge.
After that (i tried, though, to get the handy function on to recieve some messages) my prophet went off totally and now i don´t get it alive any more. Nor with USB-charge via PC not with the wall charger, any more.
Do you have any hints about how to get it alive again? It seems to me all dead right now. Tried all forms of resets, softreset with stick and hardreset with camerabutton and commmanagerbutton simultaniously also... it won´t do anything any more.
Any input is very much apprecciated, i love my Prophet so much after going so much quicker with WM6!
Thank you and
cheers
k33
try again....
I found this case on my XDA-IIs. maybe you can try to charge by wall charge.
and wait more than 8 ~ 12 hr.
because last time my IIs bettery was empty.
I try to charge 1-2 hr. and try to soft & hard reset. but sitll not wake up.
so I try again by charge by wall charge and don't work anything until my iis
to wake up. found that my IIs weak up after charging around 8 hr. and show battery to 30%.
you can try this one first.
Thank you very much, udomsuk!
Tried only charging for like 10 minutes yet.
mine didn't charge using wall/car charger. When connected to the PC everything worked ok.
Long charge indeed
I had the same experience as Odomsuck, after 6 hrs charging with wallcharger it booted normally.
Its something i would call misconception: If you emtpy the battery completly you need a wall charger that outputs at least 1 Ampere to revive the device.
It does not start chargin on USB or small chargers.
This also means that if you travel just with your USB cable and completly empty bat your are completly f**ked... like I was 3 weeks ago.
Tried now about 10hrs with original wall-charger and USB-PC for several hrs, still no go.
The wall charger delivered with my Neo has only 500mA max.
Due to what Meierhans is saying i try now my car-adapter that has 850mA max output. Hopefully that will help. That problems seems to be independent of the ROM it seems then.
@Meierhans
Where did you get hands on such charger? Do they have it in the O2 shops for reviving those phones?
i had the same problem.. Nothing worked except for one thing i found working..
You need 2 batteries.. One where there is power on and then the one that you want to charge offcouse.. First you will have to start charge the battery that is power on (dosn't have to be fully charged), and then while it has been charging for around 5 minuttes, you will have to change the batteries while the charger is plugged in, and you will have to do it really quick! Max use of time is around 3 - 4 seconds of changing the batteries !
That worked for me! I had tried to charge the prophet from the wall charger for more than 24 hours but that didn't work at all..
I can`t say much about original charger because I lost it after 3 weeks. Then I charged USB, ran into the problem, tried with car charger (also around 500 mA), didnt work, bought 2 A NoName charger for 13 €, runs faster than original now. Chi Tai Bat Plugin shows up to +800 mA, works like a charme now, loaded in 3-4 hours from 0 to 100 %.
Looks like the charging circuit needs a bit charge to start charging again.... OMFG, which ill drugged brain did build this part of the device!
Thank you all for your replies.
Didn´t find a more powerful charger yet and 24hrs wall-charging didn´t rewake my device, same case as with Da9L.
Will probably buy a second battery now.
Problem solved
Found the original charger, 16+ hours plugged in didn´t help first.:::
Then i took out the battery WHILE the charger was plugged in, then stuffed the accu back in place - orange charging light turned on, Prophet could boot again after a while!
I could even rewake another deep-discharged accu with that trick from the dead.
Thank you all for your help!
k33
Deep Discharge Lithium Polyäre batteries are easy to reactivate!
You can buy a Lipo Charger for raceing cars and with it you can load a empty batterie in 1 hour. But be carefule ... if you doesnt know what you do ... lipos can explode easy ... nice bang hehehe
About reactivation deep decharge PDA ... possible its like the old IPAQs. If they decharge to deep. The Power Controller Switch the Batterie off and you must hit some keys.
I have a new issue with my backlight. I didn't really see anything scanning a search on backlight so I'm hoping someone has seen this before and can help.
I just got a new 3200mah battery. Ever since I started using it, after turning off the device, I go back to it, press the power button or backlight button and while the screen itself comes on, the backlight does not. No light at all. I also often find that the screen is on already when I open the phone (which might explain why my battery is sometimes finding itself dead in a matter of a couple hours). I change the backlight setting to be the second tick on the scale (lowest light level) and turn the phone off again and then if I go back to it 5 mins later it's gone back to the first tick (off) on its own. However, turning on the phone right after I turn it off and it stays at the first tick. I've not be able to figure out why it keeps resetting itself to off.
Please, if you are familiar with this can you offer some direction? I'm using Helmi's WM6
Thanks
I never encountered this problem.. have you tried to keep pressed the power button and verify that backlight turns on? Or is a settings problem (backlight settings turn itself automatically to zero)?
It 0's itself. I can turn it back on again with a little difficulty (as it's hard to see the screen without the backlight).
really weird ...
have you try back to use the original battery? just for check is it something wrong with your 3200?
if it still ... (also for all problem that i can not solve) ... backup all data and ... hard reset!!
Backlight fixed with new flash...battery problem now
Ok, I reflashed with the Business rom and the backlight issue is gone. However, I have another issue now. When I charge it overnight, in the morning the power light is green, but if the Universal is off when it goes green it seems to hang and I have to reset. If the Universal is on, it responds fine. However, in both cases, when I unplug the power from the Universal, the light stays solid green and requires a reset to show the true battery status.
Also in both cases, after this overnight charge, the battery dies within an hour or two, the power level going down to 4%. As a result, I end up charging it at work (with a different charger) until it gets to 100%. I haven't tried leaving it to charge longer. But once charged on my work charger it seems to discharge properly without dying in an hour or two.
I'm very perplexed by this situation. Is this a battery problem, charger problem, phone problem? The battery, as I mentioned earlier, is a brand new 3200mah. Should I return for an exchange? I'm looking for any comments at this point.
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Timeshell said:
Ok, I reflashed with the Business rom and the backlight issue is gone. However, I have another issue now. When I charge it overnight, in the morning the power light is green, but if the Universal is off when it goes green it seems to hang and I have to reset. If the Universal is on, it responds fine. However, in both cases, when I unplug the power from the Universal, the light stays solid green and requires a reset to show the true battery status.
Also in both cases, after this overnight charge, the battery dies within an hour or two, the power level going down to 4%. As a result, I end up charging it at work (with a different charger) until it gets to 100%. I haven't tried leaving it to charge longer. But once charged on my work charger it seems to discharge properly without dying in an hour or two.
I'm very perplexed by this situation. Is this a battery problem, charger problem, phone problem? The battery, as I mentioned earlier, is a brand new 3200mah. Should I return for an exchange? I'm looking for any comments at this point.
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Hi,
The locking up could be down to the overclocking/stepping built-in to some of the newer Roms. Some Uni's over/underclock quite happily some do not. Mine will happily overclock but locks up when stepping back down.
As far as the battery/charge issue it could be the battery itself or the charger, when charging at work are you using USB to charge and mains at home? It could be that the mains charger is charging too quickly for the battery to hold the charge and the device reads the battery as 100% and thus stops charging it, whereas the USB trickle charge is slower and thus the charge remains for longer.
Do you have another battery to test?
It could simply be the battery, there have been a lot of reports of Ebay batterys not reporting and holding charge correctly.
Cheers,
Beasty
Yes it is an eBay battery. The charger at work is a "main", however, not an original "main", but its also an eBay special. The original "main" at home was designed for UK but I'm in Canada so there's a voltage difference but within the tolerance indicated on it's input definitions.
I'm however inclined to agree with the "trickle charge" comment. It could be charging more slowly. And I have not left it to see if the charge light will lock on green after the charge. I'll try that during the day and charge overnight with the work charger to see if I get the same result.
I'm still open to more comments.
when you charge your 3.200 next time, try this ... on backlight uncheck turn off backlight on battery power. I hope its work for you too.
backlight problem
hello, lately I have a problem with my PPC i-mate MDA Pro with wm 6.1 v2 rom by capante for universal, the problem is that the backlight often does not turn, the screen remains off to the lowest level of light, please who can give me a hand for resolve this problem?
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hello, lately I have a problem with my PPC i-mate MDA Pro with wm 6.1 v2 rom by capante for universal, the problem is that the backlight often does not turn, the screen remains off to the lowest level of light, please who can give me a hand for resolve this problem?
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I had the same prob with a ROM used on the past, backlight movet to lowest or even off randomly.
I corrected changing to another ROM.
innuendo1973 said:
hello, lately I have a problem with my PPC i-mate MDA Pro with wm 6.1 v2 rom by capante for universal, the problem is that the backlight often does not turn, the screen remains off to the lowest level of light, please who can give me a hand for resolve this problem?
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well try hard reset or try new rom...
Hello...
I read some posts about such problems in various threads but haven't really found a solution.
My battery sometimes sustains one or two days not really seeing this in context to my usage... sometimes it sustains only a few hours...
When I charge my phone with the charger, it's charged in one or two hours. When I charge it via USB cable, the battery goes down and down... seems not to be charging. When the phone is charged via USB , the battery meter fills up, when disconnecting form computer, it go some bars down, when rebooting the phone the battery is neraly empty...
I usedthe EFN ROMs but I found also threads with other ROMs, so I don't think it deals with the ROM?!
Very very funny...
Yes, I also have the same situation. It seems like something wrong with the driver of power manager. Does anyone find out the solution? Maybe it can be fixed via the registry.
Same problems of i900/i908
my problem is i780 always show charg icon...where i disconect the charg.
same almost
Hi any solution to this?
when i call with my phone it drains the battery very very fast talked today and the battery was going from 60% to 20 in less than a minute then i stoped the call and after a while it was at 30% then i restarted the phone it was on 50% and been at 50% for at least 4 houres
i have poor signal strenght here in the woods where i live but never had this massive "fake" drain with any phone before.
could this be becouse the battery is getting "old" ? i just bought the phone couple of dats ago.
it is 1000mah <---or how it said. i iv'e have read about 1400 for this phone same size will that do much change?
hi there!
as mentionend by users in other threads, it seems that a high number of raphs have a draining battery issue - compareable to the bug in our kaisers about a year ago: batterystatus measures around 70/80 mA in sleepmode with all programs and tf3d closed - on a kaiser with custom rom was around 4mA (!!).
So please, dear chefs: Try to figure out how we can fix this one
Check out some kind of solution / a way to improve your battery uptime: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2770702&postcount=25
Update: Battery was sucked empty from 90% within 3-4 hours in the night (!!). No running programs. In the chart you can see the difference between loading with the 220V plug and the USB-cable (last part of the chart). Sometimes it looks as the device sucks more power than the usb loader can deliver -> battery will get empty even when plugged into the computer the whole day.
Looks as we really need a solution thus waiting for htc or cellproviders is useless :-(
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Update: Battery was sucked empty from 90% within 3-4 hours in the night (!!). No running programs. In the chart you can see the difference between loading with the 220V plug and the USB-cable (last part of the chart). Sometimes it looks as the device sucks more power than the usb loader can deliver -> battery will get empty even when plugged into the computer the whole day.
Looks as we really need a solution thus waiting for htc or cellproviders is useless :-(
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Can you check this? Start->Settings->System->Power. Make sure that the "When device is turned on, do not charge the battery when connected to the PC" is unchecked.
programatix said:
Can you check this? Start->Settings->System->Power. Make sure that the "When device is turned on, do not charge the battery when connected to the PC" is unchecked.
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Of course it is unchecked - but thanks for the hint!
I still need to get over the shock that it took just 3-4h to ground the battery in standby without running programs oO
for me it helped a lot to improve battery life to set the setting 18.4 (energy saving) in diamond tweak...
pensador said:
for me it helped a lot to improve battery life to set the setting 18.4 (energy saving) in diamond tweak...
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I need to compare the tweaks but i enabled energysaving options with Advanced Config... - but I will give diamond tweak a try and even do a hardreset in order exclude 3rd party software for the power consumption...
ill report soon!
im having battery issues, too.
sometimes the phone gets unresponsive, really hot and battery drops 30-40% in ~1h minutes - without being used.
i love my touch pro, but ive got so many problems (crashes, hang ups, battery, broken screen thing, grey display with stripes, the list goes on and on...) that im considering to return it
So... small update of my findings:
My Raph(s):
R 1.02.25.19
G 52.23.25.1.7U
D 1.69.00.00
The power consumption usually never falls below 75mA. It goes up to usually 240mA, 700mA yes sometimes 1100mA. (Again: in standby!)
Comparison: on the kaiser it was around 4-12mA with Teijaks V5.
The following changes WONT affect this problem:
o disabling TF3D
o switching to GSM/GPRS only
o switching off persistent internet connection (e.g. exchange server) (!!!)
o kicking ALL not absolutely necessary backgroud processes step by step and measure between
Naively i thought that someone may be interested in that behaviour and called my provider t-mobile... ok, bad idea as they seem to have none knowledge about that devices at all.
But at least I got a number of their hardware-supporter / servicemen "Kapsch" who couldnt help me either but where kindly enough to pass me a number of HTC here in Europe.
The nice lady with basic knowledge about the devices as well as the language we were talking in came to the conclusion that the only solution would be to send the devices in via my provider.
Well, so they believe that exactly theese 3 raphaels here are the only ones to suffer from that power drain (hardresettet, blank installation, bla bla like above)... and sending them in (what means: dont see them again for a month or so and get them back in the same condition) would be THE solution.
Somehow i am pissed that i already sold the kaisers and wonder how it will be next week on a businesstravel with an unpowered TomTom outside the car and a phone which drains in a few hours in standby
(Sorry for whining around...)
Completely agree with some of your figures, however the highest i have ever seen is around 550mA. Usually after no data transfer i get it to drop to between 89 ~ 110mA. How are you measuring standby current? When in standby, how can the software measure the current? I only ask as like you, the lowest i have seen for current is 82mA, however this figure would give a max standbytime of around 16 hours. I have found that the TP in standby performs the same if not better then my old kaiser which, like you measured around 4mA in standby. From what i have seen, i can not measure a true standby current like i could on the kaiser.
I measured with CommMgrPro and batterystatus...
Measuring a "real" standby without changing the battery with an Ampere/Voltmeter is not easily possible i think... so i use CommMgrPro and accept its own usage as somekind of "Baseline".
Or - if you dont need a chart / history, i use the much smaller Batterystatus, disable TF3d to see the Homeplug and close all applications. With all apps closed i turn of the device, wait a minute or to be sure that it has gone sleeping, and wake it up. A few seconds after turning on the mW/mA measures will jump to the "standby" values due to its delay. Not 100% accurate but okay for comparison reasons...
Edit: Theese are my processes, the bold ones have been killed for testing purposes:
NK.EXE;0;0;\Windows\nk.exe;;2;FEFF002
filesys.exe;9760768;6286864;\Windows\filesys.exe;;14;FEEDCE6
device.exe;6602752;5714424;\Windows\device.exe;;218;FEB8F4A
cprog.exe;10567680;10227808;\Windows\cprog.exe;-n;12;2D93537A
SAPSettings.exe;114688;2944;\Windows\SAPSettings.exe;99;5;E9C7742
gwes.exe;4698112;4214840;\Windows\gwes.exe;30;35;E9B4566
shell32.exe;1724416;886584;\Windows\shell32.exe;50;21;CE70CBAA
services.exe;3035136;2127440;\Windows\services.exe;60;74;AEDD3EF2
connmgr.exe;409600;99152;\Windows\connmgr.exe;70;17;D8D06E6
Biotouch.exe;1024000;636792;\Windows\Biotouch.exe;;9;EF86C7DE
SDDaemon.exe;176128;28544;\Windows\SDDaemon.exe;;2;6DA68DBE
tmail.exe;352256;46256;\Windows\tmail.exe;-NoUI;6;ED2CCD36
OperaPreL.exe;24576;32;\Windows\OperaPreL.exe;;2;EC986A3E
Opera9.exe;159744;4256;\Windows\Opera9.exe;;1;C4FA06E
JBlendDaemon.exe;188416;65744;\Windows\JBlendDaemon.exe;;3;C595512
SIPGT_app.exe;1863680;1688032;\Windows\SIPGT_app.exe;;2;AC57D24E
My5MsgCenter.exe;180224;22016;\Windows\My5MsgCenter.exe;;5;C2CD412
myFavesService.exe;299008;132608;\Windows\myFavesService.exe;;2;AD8D0806
licht77 said:
I measured with CommMgrPro and batterystatus...
Measuring a "real" standby without changing the battery with an Ampere/Voltmeter is not easily possible i think... so i use CommMgrPro and accept its own usage as somekind of "Baseline".
Or - if you dont need a chart / history, i use the much smaller Batterystatus, disable TF3d to see the Homeplug and close all applications. With all apps closed i turn of the device, wait a minute or to be sure that it has gone sleeping, and wake it up. A few seconds after turning on the mW/mA measures will jump to the "standby" values due to its delay. Not 100% accurate but okay for comparison reasons...
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OK, this i could do on the kaiser, but not on the touch pro. Each time i turn the phone on, i see at least 82mA, which would only give a stnadby of 16 hours - but i can achieve 3 days, so clearly this is not the standby current.
3 days.. i can only dream of that That would mean that you got around 19mA drain in standby... how do u measure?
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3 days.. i can only dream of that That would mean that you got around 19mA drain in standby... how do u measure?
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Thats what i'm trying to say - i cant measure anything below 80mA when i turn the TP on, however it is obviously NOT the standby current as i can obtain 50mA with a dim backlight, plus get 3 days standby. When i state 3 days, thats with no usage!
I'm just trying to point out that what you think is the standby current, probably isn't and we all know that there are issues with the battery management on this phone.
Another example, i have had my phone of charge since 7am, made a couple of short calls, 5 mins of wap browsing, and its currently reporting 95%. If my standby current was 80mA, it would be down to 50% by now. However, assuming i continue to use the phone in this way, in theory i should get 160 hours, which indicates an average drain of 8mA.
I agree - of course you are right and measuring this way can - if anyhow - assist in relatively comparing two devices/ configs but not deliver absolut values of course.
With batterystatus it worked pretty well on the kaiser - and even on the raph i could see 3 or 4 times my beloved 4mA... but in 99% its around 80aH ind standby and around 300-400 in usage which seems plausible regarding my usage.
Nevertheless i had several times a "hardcore" drain where i must had (mathematically) around 400 during standby and maybe even more during worktime when plugged in via USB: It DISCHARGED what means that it used more power than USB could deliver
(usb charging settings correct)
If I dont get my callback from my provider today, then i will try an inofficial RadioRom this weekend...
In standby mode, all application should have been paused by the deviced, right? Then how can any application measure the power usage in standby mode?
some apps keep going. thats how you get messages
i can get 2days out of my phone with heavy usage
Brendo said:
some apps keep going. thats how you get messages
i can get 2days out of my phone with heavy usage
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That is because the OS send out events when something happens, thus waking up the device and letting the apps run.
For SMS, sim card receive message, sim card inform OS, OS wakes device up, OS send out events, app capture the events.
For alarms, OS wakes device up when the schedule reached, then send out events or start apps depending on the alarm.
So, device must wakes up before apps can do anything.
Some apps intercept the standby button (power button) and instead of letting the device goes to standby when pressed, just turns off the display. For TP, HTC has modified something (or loaded some apps) to make sure that when you are playing the music or listening to the radio, the power button just turn off the display instead of going to standby mode. If the device goes to standby mode, the device could never play any music.
So, if the battery benchmarking app you are using is able to measure the power consumption when the device goes to standby, I doubt it. It actually just turn off the display.
I seem to have fixed or at least drastically improved my battery. I was suffering major drainage with moderate to heavy use, after about 5 hours the power would go down from 100% to 10%. I have WiFi on permanently and do a lot of emailing and texting.
I drained the battery to 0% and with the phone off (not in standby) I charged it using the AC adaptor. With it fully charged and the button light on (glows when charging, solid on when charged) I turned the phone on and first time it said 88% charged?!?! But it lasted the whole day and even had a good 30+% left at the end.
Did it again, ran loads of apps and switched everything on until 0% battery. Charged over night with the phone off. Next day it said it had 95% charge when I switched it on and again it lasted all day with quite heavy usage.
Discharged it again that night and plugged it in, today it says 100% and I'm pretty sure it will last even longer.
I've also found that after doing this, if I don't use the phone and the screen is off, I can leave it for 4 hours and the battery percentage doesn't even go down 1%.... which is a bit unbelievable but happens.
PLeased to say, now this last gripe seems to be fixed..... this is by far the best smartphone I've owned or used and on the market. Great step up from the TYTN II and iPhone (nice toy but useless for email and destructive with exchange servers).
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I drained the battery to 0% and with the phone off (not in standby) I charged it using the AC adaptor. With it fully charged and the button light on (glows when charging, solid on when charged) I turned the phone on and first time it said 88% charged?!?! But it lasted the whole day and even had a good 30+% left at the end.
Did it again, ran loads of apps and switched everything on until 0% battery. Charged over night with the phone off. Next day it said it had 95% charge when I switched it on and again it lasted all day with quite heavy usage.
Discharged it again that night and plugged it in, today it says 100% and I'm pretty sure it will last even longer.
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True. Draining the battery completely really helps. I've done it about 3 times and now my device can reach 2 days of heavy use with 1 charge. When I bought it drained very fast and charge indications were way of. (1 hour charges would just increase charge level with 5-10%).
What also adds battery life ia disabling activesync in the notification queue. Use memmaid or a similar program. Go to the notification queue and disable the entry for repplog.exe with the comment "system time changed". Activesync will function normally when connected to a PC. Not sure about OTA exchange syncs though...
Hope this helped
Scott
Hi,
I've found that the Raphael battery stops charging when it gets warmer than 48 degrees Celsius. I discovered this because I am using WMWifiRouter all day at the office, and noticed that although I have the Raph connected to a 2000mA wall charger, the battery drained and device got down to 10%.
The trick is that I have to put the device in "standby" mode py pressing the power button. The screen goes off, but the device is still running. This resulted in a lower device / battery temperature, and the battery remained at 100% after 8 hours of usage with WMWifiRouter and connected to the wall charger.
I can contrast this to with my Kaiser, which didn't stop chraging the battery until about 65 degrees Celsius!!
Maybe that helps too.
-Z
I have 2 SPVC600 phones and one is not even 24 hours in standby before the battery goes empty, whereas the other phone is in standby several days. I tried several different "virgin" ROMs on both phones, several different batteries, still the same problem, one phone just sucks the energy out of the battery like crazy.
Anybody knows where the problem is and how it could be fixed?
Thanks
Pirondello
Same Here...
Hi, i know that this is a old thread, but... the same issue here, i have a T-mobile SDA, replace the original battery that come with the phone 2 years ago, this battery die and ebay a fresh battery again, but... nothing, goes empty in less than 13 hours with the fresh and new battery (with the old one at least 4 hours before die under nitrogen´s wm6 rom), any suggestion? (i clean the phone of programs, change roms, downgrade to original WM5 but... nothing, only 12 to 14 hours and empty ), the new battery is a "OEM ST26" from sanyo...
Until this day, my tornado was the more reliable and trust phone that i´ve had
Can you recommend me any procedure for test the phone... do you think that is a usb connection Issue, i read in a lot of threads that this could be Rom upgrade... ´coz the new drivers, componets, etc.... any help ir really appreciated
Greetings from Colombia...
Usually the original batteries are the best you can get. Even the (now very old) original ones (Sanyo ST26-C) still have their original capacity and I have not seen a single battery of these that has failed until now.
If you see such a drain from the device you could possibly disassemble the device and clean it. If that does not help - sad :-(
Does it make difference if you charge the battery on the device being off or while OS is running?
If you have volt-meter: what is th battery-voltage when empty/fully loaded?
Hi Tobbie, thanks for the reply, yeah, i follow all procedures for battery maintance, i try charge with the phone off, phone on (with radio turned on and off, really i only see a difference of only 1 1/2 hours...), this night i try clean with isopropilic alcohol the contacs between battery an phone and i see... i noted something peculiar:sometimes when i plug the AC Adapter or connecting to my desktop, the led indicator (in this case orange), dont turn on, sometime this led appars and dissapear passing 20 seconds but full charge the phone (i see this in seetings=> energy configuration => 100%)... other times this light is hold until this change to green (fully charged), but ever the same result, lees than 12 Hours... this happen with both batteries (old one and fresh buyed from a reliable seller 15 days ago...)
I download awhile the service manual for tornado but... Scare... i really love this phone, really i have now a LG Incite, but this phone is my "backup", coz all time buy and sell phones, but this since 2005 "sleep with me...", if after clean contacts i dont see any change or fix... No mercy with tornado´s LOL...
and i want with all neighborhoods a voltimeter, can you tell me about the standar values for this battery (my knowlodgement about electronics are limited a lot), i post my results here after my test...)
Thanks a lot, i hope that you can help me later (and sorry for my ugly english)
Greetings from Colombia
This sounds weird, but the only reasonable source of evil is that also your other battery (equally aged, but unused probably) is chemically dead. It hardly ever happens that the charge-electronics is going mad somehow. With the many Tornado that I had on my desk, not a single one had problems with this part. For some devices I have seen that the batteries were stone dead - and these behave as you describe it.
It looks as if the battery has lost its capacity. A fully charged battery has a capacity of roughly 1100 mAh. With a drain of ~75mA (for the fully lit display) this will last 14h and 40 minutes. So a similar power drain would have to suck the juice off the battery - which I doubt that anything will do. If you switched off all radio parts (GSM, WLAN + BT) there is nothing left that drains the battery like this.
You could try to check how long the batteries will last when you have the display light draining the battery additionally. For this part it is well known how much it drains (see above) - and if you see that the battery lasts half the time of what you said before - then the battery is ok and the device has some mysterious power drain. If however the battery only lasts a few minutes with this defined load - then it is surely dead.
Check the battery capacity link in my signature to get the tooling for measuring this easily.
Voltages should be measured with a digital Voltmeter if you have access to one. They are for dead batteries not much different to good ones if you do not apply load, but a fully charged LiIon has around 4,2 V and discharged in a Tornado around 3,55 V.
The Tornado will shut off at around 3,55 V but if the Voltage is much higher when removing the battery and measuring the Voltage - another hint for a dead battery.
Good luck