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Whats this I hear about the Att Fuze not having video drivers?

I havent been keeping up with the HTC Touch Pro lately, but I have been monitering it from the day it was announced until ATT released it as the Att Fuze.
I hated how terrible the graphics quality on my Tilt was, especially over the 8525 I had. I read this was because of missing video drivers.
IIRC, HTC practically had a lawsuit on their hands over this, and promised that the Touch Pro will have drivers. I think I even asked about it here and was assured that it would come with drivers.
However, I was reading reviews and some people commented about how angry they were that the phone yet again has no video drivers or Direct3D hardare support.
Is this true? Was HTC seriously stupid enough to not include drivers yet AGAIN? Or is this just AT&T's ATT Fuze version? (The guy mentioned something about possibly fixing this with a custom rom, but I am nervious about using unofficial roms on my phone that may brick it or make it incompatible with some of ATT's services).
From what I recall, no drivers exsist for the Att Tilt, they aren't just not installed, so its impossible for me to install video drivers for it. If the Att Fuze also has no video drivers, is there any way I can install those at least or do these too not exsist?

It does come with drivers, and I personally have not had any issues (at least with YouTube videos). I have not tried movies. There are some updated 3D drivers to improve frame rate that were initially developed for the Diamond. See here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2892184&postcount=357

It has drivers for 3D (OpenGL hardware acceleration) but IMO the GPU (or drivers) is poor. You get low FPS, tears (vsync), etc etc..
It seems that 2D graphics lacks hardware acceleration , so apps/tasks that are using DirectDraw (for eg.) are below per performance in comparison to Marvell CPUs devices
emesbe that's an OpenGL wrapper for Direct3D apps (applications such as diamond vhologram)
Please see these topics:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=463407
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=449391
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442712

Cyber Akuma said:
IIRC, HTC practically had a lawsuit on their hands over this...
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Careful, I'll just butt-in to limit continued misinformation. Such a sourcing for a 'lawsuit' were from very vocal but horribly ill-informed users who ended up being incapable of finding a legal counsel to represent their desire for a frivolous case. Whining erupted due to some wrongly assuming that because a device may have the hardware capable of certain performance that it was the responsibility of the OEM to provide the full software capabilities to make use of that hardware. The issues were not of misrepresentation of the software/hardware by HTC but of HTC choosing to develop products without the extra expense for licensing drivers for all of its hardware capabilities and some tech-curious end-users who determined that they were not receiving all that the physical hardware was capable of. IMO, greed came in and some very vocal end-users demanded what they were not necessarily entitled to.
...little different than you having to pay extra to license available features in an app such Nero Burning ROM, or some carriers (often Verizon...) releasing models of HTC devices which do have the same GPSOne capabilities of other carriers' models but Verizon choosing not to fully open up such features to a GPS app of choice. Another analogy may be the early ROMs for the HTC Touch/Vogue and Titan/Mogul/6800/P4000 where the GPS drivers were not available at all.
As far as Direct 3D/Show/Draw drivers of the Raphael derivatives -- toss out the FUD that some have spread because THE VIDEO DRIVERS ARE THERE. As it stands, they're relatively new devices where the software may get updated and performance improved.

Keystone said:
Careful, I'll just butt-in to limit continued misinformation. Such a sourcing for a 'lawsuit' were from very vocal but horribly ill-informed users who ended up being incapable of finding a legal counsel to represent their desire for a frivolous case. Whining erupted due to some wrongly assuming that because a device may have the hardware capable of certain performance that it was the responsibility of the OEM to provide the full software capabilities to make use of that hardware. The issues were not of misrepresentation of the software/hardware by HTC but of HTC choosing to develop products without the extra expense for licensing drivers for all of its hardware capabilities and some tech-curious end-users who determined that they were not receiving all that the physical hardware was capable of. IMO, greed came in and some very vocal end-users demanded what they were not necessarily entitled to.
...little different than you having to pay extra to license available features in an app such Nero Burning ROM, or some carriers (often Verizon...) releasing models of HTC devices which do have the same GPSOne capabilities of other carriers' models but Verizon choosing not to fully open up such features to a GPS app of choice. Another analogy may be the early ROMs for the HTC Touch/Vogue and Titan/Mogul/6800/P4000 where the GPS drivers were not available at all.
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I understand.
First of all, I was talking about the Tilt's problem, not the Fuze.
And I was wondering how a lawsuit like that would hold, though I have seen weirder things get accepted, and sometimes the threat of a class action lawsuit is enough to push a company to fix something. (worked for Sony and Microsoft).
The hardware was ADVERTISED after all, its like buying a laptop that advertises having a fairly decent range mobile GPU but not progiving any drivers anywhere for it, forcing you to run it in standard VGA mode.
Keystone said:
As far as Direct 3D/Show/Draw drivers of the Raphael derivatives -- toss out the FUD that some have spread because THE VIDEO DRIVERS ARE THERE. As it stands, they're relatively new devices where the software may get updated and performance improved.
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I was asking if it was true that the Fuze dosen't have drivers, I didn't flat out say it does not.

Cyber Akuma said:
The hardware was ADVERTISED after all
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...I challenge you to quote that of HTC in regards to the questioned Direct 3D/show/draw drivers. Proclaiming generalities in a device's abilities is absolutely not on par to advertising to the end user specific metrics of performance and/or features sets. That is the founding flaw for the over-zealous lot who failed in gaining legal counsel for their whine.
No, it is not on par to purchasing most laptop or desktop PCs with their individually assembled components. These PDA/phones are implemented as the OEM and purchasing carriers see fit and that often includes a cross-device, pre-manufactured all-in-one chipset that do not necessitate that the customer license every component and feature of them -- though the same extra software licensing purchases to activate included hardware capabilities sometimes on PCs and laptops also exists.
The point that you seem to miss is that one is not automatically entitled to access every feature in hardware of your possession. Property rights of software is often required to legally drive such hardware. The world is not a free for all and it is often up to the manufacturer's of core components and the OEMs to work out what will be purchases/licensed and what will not. I understand that as an efficient business model to only manufacture a single product and to sell it as a base and then sell optional licenses for its separate features. This is not equal to video cards from ATI or nVidia where the drivers are released for public access and installation or SDKs for open source OS' such as Linux.
Cyber Akuma said:
First of all, I was talking about the Tilt's problem, not the Fuze.
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No, this topic of yours in the Raphael forum was quite clear upon your concerns of the Fuze/Raphael repeating your perceived errors of the Tilt.
Cyber Akuma said:
I was asking if it was true that the Fuze dosen't have drivers, I didn't flat out say it does not.
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I'll remind you of what you presented:
Cyber Akuma said:
However, I was reading reviews and some people commented about how angry they were that the phone yet again has no video drivers or Direct3D hardare support.
Is this true? Was HTC seriously stupid enough to not include drivers yet AGAIN? Or is this just AT&T's ATT Fuze version?
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You made a comments upon your perception of "missing drivers" and then asked for conformation. I saw it as a question looking for accurate information and answered it as such. As I also contributed, that there is the spreading of FUD (post #4)) out there that is confusing people. That thread concerned the Fuze and was it along with erring reviewers sources for your misinformation?
The certain answer again is that the Raphael derivatives do have the afformentioned drivers. That is confirmed with inclusion of the associated *.dll's and OS registry entries. Some previous HTC devices did not include all of those entries.

apps to get 3 times faster

Android apps are about to get 3 times faster!
Myriad Group AG, a member of the Open Handset Alliance, unveiled yesterday a brand new high performance virtual machine, named Dalvik Turbo. It would replace the standard Dalvik engine that Android uses to run applications.
Dalvik Turbo increases application execution speed by up to three times ‐ allowing OEMs and operators to bring smoother delivery and more complex applications to Android phones, while also providing substantial battery life improvements when running resource intensive tasks. It also enables developers to take full advantage of Android, allowing them to create games boasting advanced graphics and complex models while retaining full compatibility with existing software.
You can bet the guys at Google are all over this right this moment. A three times speed increase on Android apps would allow even the G1 to run the most complex apps. It would also improve battery life, something smartphones tend to suck at. However, the best part about this is “full compatibility with existing software”, meaning we could see the benefits of this new Dalvik virtual machine very, very soon. This is one of the beauties of Android, things like these could only happen on an open environment where several companies innovate together.
The guys from Myriad will be at the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona from 15th‐18th February 2010. That is just around the corner. This is going to be one of the biggest news during the event, can’t wait for it.

Late to the party.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=630523

i could live with my apps running 3 times faster, but wont bealive it till i see it

prettyboy85712 said:
Late to the party.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=630523
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Lame response

I think this is great news especially since they're a member of the Open Handset Alliance.
I knew that the VM had to be improved if we wanted any big Android performance improvements. Why haven't any devs tried optimizing DalvikVM?
With all the source available, why hasn't someone modded the window manager to implement real multitasking?
I've only seen tweaks here and there... if the source is available to both homebrewers and manufacturers, why can't we make something as good as what HTC has done to Android for the Hero?

PSP_Hacker said:
I think this is great news especially since they're a member of the Open Handset Alliance.
I knew that the VM had to be improved if we wanted any big Android performance improvements. Why haven't any devs tried optimizing DalvikVM?
With all the source available, why hasn't someone modded the window manager to implement real multitasking?
I've only seen tweaks here and there... if the source is available to both homebrewers and manufacturers, why can't we make something as good as what HTC has done to Android for the Hero?
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1. we are not a company where we can have deadlines of stuff and devs get paid at least 150,000 a year.
2. we have devs that do this for their own enjoyment and their own liking. If the little tweaks here and there are enough for them to enjoy the phone, its their call since they are the publisher of the product.
3. lastly, i'm sure pay all these devs at least $150,000 a year on top of what they earn on their regular work and I'll tell you, we would have a blast of new improved stuff.
4. It's not that all devs want money. But devs won't do something so hard, esp if you have to do research and stuff, and it'll prolly take months in research at a company, for free. If companies are researching on improving those fields, why would our devs spend time improving the same said fields?
just thank our devs for the hardwork they do and for all the overclocking and stuff they spend their free time on.

PSP_Hacker said:
I think this is great news especially since they're a member of the Open Handset Alliance.
I knew that the VM had to be improved if we wanted any big Android performance improvements. Why haven't any devs tried optimizing DalvikVM?
With all the source available, why hasn't someone modded the window manager to implement real multitasking?
I've only seen tweaks here and there... if the source is available to both homebrewers and manufacturers, why can't we make something as good as what HTC has done to Android for the Hero?
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1) I think the majority of us don't like Sense.
2) Why don't you do it?
3) Read the post above mine.

PSP_Hacker said:
Lame response
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Well not really. We are a huge site and avoiding multiple threads on the same subject really helps when searching for answers.
So please use:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=630523
Thanks
Mike

[Q] Need Your Input

ViewSonic is putting together a developers' site for all our Android products, and would love your input as to key items to include. Obviously we may not be able to include everything, but want to create something you'll find useful and valuable.
Please post your wishes here!
Thanks,
-Adam

1. HDMI out.....not through a dock
2. IPS or better screen
3. 1GB + Ram
4. 16GB + internal sdcard
5. USB ports
6. Mini and micro sdcard support
7. Released source
8. 3G/4G option
9. Optional ssd
10. GPS option
11. Bluetooth
12. WIFI of course
13. Support updating operating system for at least 2 years instead of "release and forget.....*cough* sam *cough* sung"
14. Leave the bootloader unlocked for the crazies like me that want to hack no matter the consequences. If I brick I'll eat it.
15. Keep up the good customer service you currently have
16. Quit making promises about flash when you don't have control over Adobe lol
OH yeah......Can I have my Honeycreams please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EDIT: BTW....I am retired and would make a perfect person to test new products for you. Hint Hint

thebadfrog said:
1. HDMI out.....not through a dock
2. IPS or better screen
3. 1GB + Ram
4. 16GB + internal sdcard
5. USB ports
6. Mini and micro sdcard support
7. Released source
8. 3G/4G option
9. Optional ssd
10. GPS option
11. Bluetooth
12. WIFI of course
13. Support updating operating system for at least 2 years instead of "release and forget.....*cough* sam *cough* sung"
14. Leave the bootloader unlocked for the crazies like me that want to hack no matter the consequences. If I brick I'll eat it.
15. Keep up the good customer service you currently have
16. Quit making promises about flash when you don't have control over Adobe lol
OH yeah......Can I have my Honeycreams please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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+1
I think that pretty much covers it, especially the part about honeycreams.
edit: it would be great if viewsonic devs put together a recovery package suited for the gtab since the only version of cwm that seems to work on this device is bekits modified version v.08

OfficialViewSonic said:
ViewSonic is putting together a developers' site for all our Android products, and would love your input as to key items to include.
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It sounds like VS is asking for suggestions about what to include in the developer's site - that is, what information would be useful for developers creating apps to run on the GTablet and other VS Android tablets...as opposed to a wish list of features for the devices themselves.

Twitter feed answered by an engineer/development team member.
If you want to go hardcore.
Provide things like git hosting to selected xda developers.
Create some sort of cloud based compiling system and provide that to the developers as well.

Wait...you wanted suggestions for a web site. Look at this forum and add very strong mods to keep the clutter down. If your "official" site is not gonna allow the fun things we like to do to our tabs it probably won't gather much attention. However just keeping your online manuals and source files updated would be great. Allowing a private area for people to test UATs instead of them leaking into XDA would be kinda nice as well. I understand for legal reasons you couldn't have certain topics but it would be nice if just 1 provider of tabs would at least acknowledge the benefits of having the devs do their magic.
I was aware of what he wanted....just thought I would get my dream machine out there

It does seem like there could be a model out there for a vendor to create some sort of NDA protected developers program for early adoption.
Not releasing any files prior to official launch, but acknowledging that at launch those files will be stripped from another device. For example if company X has a legacy product Y1 and in the fall Y2 is coming out with a newer OS that could potentially be applied to Y1 then instead of waiting for Y2 to come out and people break their Y1's trying poor approaches to modification (and damaging your brand in thier eyes) you provide a group of developers lead time access without permission to release until say 3 months after Y2 comes out. This is double edged that it protects your competitive market strategy of Y2 while respecting the investment Y1 customers have made and recognizing the expectations of the users of the overall operating system you have choosen to utilize.

Had to read it twice but ^^^^^^^^^^^^what he said. There are several people here that would love this kind of opportunity. (This guy included)

Hi,
I'm not one of the devs here, but, from working w the Gtab, some of the things that would be useful would be:
- info on the BCT and partitions. There's some generic info around the web, but it seems like mostly reverse-engineered, read: guesses.
- source for bootloader and recovery (these may be proprietary, but maybe release under NDA?)
JMHO...
Jim

Adam
What would the company like to get out of starting such a project? That would dictate what should be included from a logical standpoint.
If only for research and testing then that would be something totally different especially for the folks here that know how to play with code? I would just guess if given the right information, tools and a place to share and explore the android system with support from your company , it would be taken to a level that the average user of mobile devices right now couldn't even imagine.
Android will in all likely become the system of choice surpassing the mighty Redmond and great apple.
I step back from my soapbox and blend back into lurking mode

Thanks,for responding to our calls and emails "for action and after purchase support." I bought from a retailer who was not allowing returns nor refunds, however, I did get a service plan. After working with it, I would not return it. Thanks to the incredible hardware and developer support from this site.
-Add direct movie streaming capability like from Netflix
-Easy beaming to other devices
-Easy tethering
-VPN
-Firewall or data encryption
-Public network privacy protection
-Standard auto attachment slot for GPS, music streaming, etc. making it interchangeable (I have an auto Navi/GPS (plus usb & bluetooth) about the size of this panel--thinking future forward--truly wishful thinking).
-Smart reader for scanning business cards, docs, etc. into it
-3G, 4G plus talk, fax modem capability
-Task Switcher or Manager
All I can think of now, will add more in case I forgot something.

Not a dev myself, but if this project was able to give us consumers some of my below suggestions, im sure many of us would be very happy and willing to continue to purchase VS products.
1) Real working market (I realise this is dependant on VS sorting things out with Google).
2) Required lib / drivers to use USB GPS and USB 3G.
3) For times when compatibility of software can be a task issue, the option to be able to dual boot to say WINCE. So basically WINCE support. This is for those like myself who cannot use our work related networks due to the limited proxy configurations support that Android currently has.

1: forum for known bugs list in current factory rom
2: forum for workarounds and non warranty breaking fixes for forrum #1
3: link to xda, with the caviot that using instructions from the sight could break warenty/brick/Bork the gtablet, for those who are fearless. (I have have purchased viewsonic monitors for my whole computing career, you could use an image boost. I love your brand so I think spending money reping android would bring a lot of life back to you. )
4:full software disclosure. At this point its all about power, ui, and price. You have the power and the price... recognize that 98% of your tab sails are to people who take your ui and toss it without a second thought. Not being mean, just honest.

USB
I would like to see is better support for USB drives. I would like to be able to use all my hard drives and thumb drives. Thumb drives work now but some times I plug them in and they are not recognized, forcing me to reboot.
For that matter move drivers for USB devices in general.

notsob2002 said:
Adam
What would the company like to get out of starting such a project? That would dictate what should be included from a logical standpoint.
If only for research and testing then that would be something totally different especially for the folks here that know how to play with code? I would just guess if given the right information, tools and a place to share and explore the android system with support from your company , it would be taken to a level that the average user of mobile devices right now couldn't even imagine.
Android will in all likely become the system of choice surpassing the mighty Redmond and great apple.
I step back from my soapbox and blend back into lurking mode
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We are looking to provide a centralized source for all the code/content/specs/details/etc you need for our Android-based products. But rather than guess what to put there for y'all, we'd prefer to ask! ;-)

OfficialViewSonic said:
We are looking to provide a centralized source for all the code/content/specs/details/etc you need for our Android-based products. But rather than guess what to put there for y'all, we'd prefer to ask! ;-)
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It's kind of funny that here you are asking for dev input and not a single one of our wonderful devs (you know who you are) have posted a response. I assume they are doing their communicating behind the scenes with you but that is purely a hunch on my part.
Anyway, I LOVE my gTab running VEGAn beta 5.1.1 but fully support your interest in helping our cookers so they can make your product as well as their product better.

sjmoreno said:
It's kind of funny that here you are asking for dev input and not a single one of our wonderful devs (you know who you are) have posted a response. I assume they are doing their communicating behind the scenes with you but that is purely a hunch on my part.
Anyway, I LOVE my gTab running VEGAn beta 5.1.1 but fully support your interest in helping our cookers so they can make your product as well as their product better.
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I agree that the intent of the request was for what features would you like them to provide on their site, not in their products.
I think a forum, such as this, would be nice, especially if you can get the viewsonic developers to sign on to responding in a timely manner.
If you (viewsonic) are serious about reaching out to the developers, I think you have a great opportunity to make your system open and developer/modder friendly and become a leader in that category. could definitely be a great opportunity for you guys.
Oh, and perhaps a legal repository for .apks which are not available to us in the market for easy installation...

I assume VS goal is to sell tablets. You have developed a good hardware platform at a great price point. A few changes and you have a great platform. To sell more tablets you need slick firmware. The devs at XDA have accomplished that with minimal support. Full support would work wonders. Suggest ask the devs what they need, in what order and what detail. Might even give them access to your dev team. Website should have dev only section and a well updated what is going on section to elliminate the repetitive " are we there yet" questions.
If you are sincere in this offer, it should provide a great benefit to both VS and it' s users. Lookout ipad here we come.

All Android devices need work to play in the corporate environment. Security needs to beefed up, the ability to integrate with MS Exchange servers, work with proxy, vpn, and whatever other security stuff is comes out. IPV6 is a requirement too.

OfficialViewSonic said:
We are looking to provide a centralized source for all the code/content/specs/details/etc you need for our Android-based products. But rather than guess what to put there for y'all, we'd prefer to ask! ;-)
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Well, go ahead and start the forum and post a link for us so we can start using with all the information that you have and can release and make adjustments as needed. You never know what will happen it may be more helpful to people than they may think and if nothing else it would be beneficial to people who just bought one of your products and don't understand the product and its capabilities.
Thanks for having the forethought to ask because most companies probably wouldn't even think of trying to get independent development for their product from outside of their sales or IT department! Thinking like that might actually make you the leader in a soon to be crowed market

QSAlpha Quasar IV - The most powerful and secure android phone in Indiegogo!

Mod Edit:This one slipped through the cracks, but xda doesn't allow fundraising. Thread closed!

I only came across the Quasar IV today after reading engadget and I must say that it has piqued my interest. However after reading about it in indiegogo more carefully, isn't the security system, only beneficial within its closed ecosystem and if one were to use the normal commercially available services (gmail, gdrive, etc.) that they won't benefit from the security features of this the Quasar IV?
The security feature aside, the only other benefit of this phone for me is the 128GB. However since it's only to be released April '14 (and if Indiegogo is anything like Kickstarter, Oct '14 would probably be a more realistic date), most of the other major players in the market (Samsung, HTC, LG, Motorola, etc.) would probably announce and release their "large" storage phones.

Take another look to the news.
AnakChan said:
I only came across the Quasar IV today after reading engadget and I must say that it has piqued my interest. However after reading about it in indiegogo more carefully, isn't the security system, only beneficial within its closed ecosystem and if one were to use the normal commercially available services (gmail, gdrive, etc.) that they won't benefit from the security features of this the Quasar IV?
The security feature aside, the only other benefit of this phone for me is the 128GB. However since it's only to be released April '14 (and if Indiegogo is anything like Kickstarter, Oct '14 would probably be a more realistic date), most of the other major players in the market (Samsung, HTC, LG, Motorola, etc.) would probably announce and release their "large" storage phones.
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You're right, the special security brougth by QUATRIX will be only available when the information is sent from a QUATRIX-enabled devide to another, but mind that sending encrypted messages to anyone that doesn't have the key to decode them is completely nonsense. I urge you to take a look to the news I've posted on the top of the page, because they mean that It will be possible turning a normal phone into a QUATRIX one just by adding a micro SD. Isn't it great?
I have to add that the production of the phone has already begun so the release date becomes stronger.
Thanks for your comment.

What a powerful phone! I like it! But I think the most way for keep the secrets safe it's not to put it on our phones! LOL
As Anonymous said "There Is No Full Security, We Can Catch You !" :S

I have payed for the 64 GB because even without the encryption those are awesome specs and I want to get this

MaluNoPeleke said:
I have payed for the 64 GB because even without the encryption those are awesome specs and I want to get this
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How much did you pay it?

495$

MaluNoPeleke said:
495$
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It sounds like didn't succeed in reaching their goal in Indiegogo and everyone is getting a refund. However QSAlpha is still going to proceed with pre-orders directly from their website instead. I guess they got funding somehow though some joint venture.
However for those who did get in early in Indiegogo for the $495 pack will have to start again with QSAlpha's pre-order...at a the $595 price instead.

And here's more info on the crypto system it uses and the downsides too

Any other buyer? I found this mobile and I m not sure about this. Im between this and Xiaomi
By the way : Hi. This is my first message but Im following this fantastic forum from ages. I just wanted to know if any one is getting this mobile to know about future support
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Seems like a long wait for a device. I would go with currently available models with similar specs. Nexus 5 for example.

Actually I dont need a phone right now. I could wait for months but I really dont know if its worth
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I moved away from the iPhone 2 weeks ago and was looking at Android alternatives and came across the QSAlpha after an engadget or gizmodo article. I almost pledged in Indiegogo (before the project was pulled due to lack of funding) but to me the issue was that you have to be in their ecosystem to enjoy the security features and I don't have enough persuasion power to convince all my friends to move to this ecosystem. So it boils back down to a regular phone.
2.3GHz & 3GB RAM are available now. So the only thing this phone has going for it is the 128GB. But as many of you have noted the delivery time is sometime mid next year. By then I'd dare speculate the rest of the major Android phone makers would have 128GB offerings too.
Also I think one could forget about trying to root their Android flavour.

I am very interested on this phone. Wonder though if it'd ever be open sourced? Also, is the encryption to the GSM/HSPA hardware level or is it all over the traditional data channel?

whats a performance phone.
i can buy this
better then samsung phone

Just to catch up anyone who might have been coming to this thread years later, the "QSAlpha" folks were apparently the same people that ran the later "Turing" phone company scam. (Mobile devices with multiple "Snapdragon 830" CPUs? :laugh Effectively no retail devices ever shipped, in either case. Hope no one reading this ever wasted any money, time, or hope on these folks.

Snapdragon 845

So Qualcomm has released a little more info on the SD845. Of particular interest from this link:
Secure: As security needs evolve, so do the security solutions within our mobile platforms. End-users demand enhanced privacy due to the significant growth of personal data being stored on the device. Similarly, payment companies are looking for more secure authentication mechanisms to increase reliability. The Snapdragon 845 introduces a hardware isolated subsystem called the secure processing unit (SPU), which is designed to add vault-like characteristics to existing layers of Qualcomm Technologies’ mobile security solutions. Doing so makes it possible for improved biometrics security used for authentication, as well as user or application data key management used to encrypt critical information.
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I am making the prediction that unless an OEM allows you to root your device, root stops with the release of the SD845.
Buy a developer friendly phone
-- Brian

runningnak3d said:
So Qualcomm has released a little more info on the SD845. Of particular interest from this link:
I am making the prediction that unless an OEM allows you to root your device, root stops with the release of the SD845.
Buy a developer friendly phone
-- Brian
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Dude, (yes you are correct, but that's not why I'm posting) you need to write for XDA. Everything you post is wayyyyyy more interesting then what XDA currently writes about. Not only that, but I seem to learn something new each time. Mind you, I don't know much, but it's still very interesting to say the least.
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Also a side note, people keep blabbering on about security, well....they got what they are asking for. I've never cared much for it since I am nobody important.
The important people like president Trump have strict security measures. That's why people called him a moron for using an S3 while talking to foreign officials.
I only care about Security on my computer.
In my opinion people who leave sensitive information on their mobile phone aren't too smart. Can always lose your device.

runningnak3d said:
So Qualcomm has released a little more info on the SD845. Of particular interest from this link:
I am making the prediction that unless an OEM allows you to root your device, root stops with the release of the SD845.
Buy a developer friendly phone
-- Brian
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WOW.. this is qualcomm attempt at being apple... Lock down users freedom at the core. I can see why they would do that.I work in IT and this was coming soon as they released apple pay and android pay.
It could be they are talking about users identity as in fingerprint and iris scanner. But none the less. I dont care for eye biometrics, fingerprint is cool after a while, i still use mines. But I think we all can say, if ITS NOT UNLOCKED FROM THE MANUFACTURE DONT BUY CARRIER BRAND.. DAMMIT TMOBILE, THATS WHY I STUCK BY YOUR SIDE FOR SO LONG...OH WELL PEOPLE WE CHANGE AND FIND WAYS AROUND THIS..SOMEHOW...
THANKS BRIAN

If I had to guess, they have moved the entire TrustZone onto a dedicated portion of the CPU.
Right now Qualcomm uses a hypervisor, and runs the secure and non-secure using emulation. Not emulation like VirtualBox or Qemu. Only a few things are emulated (memory access being one of them) so that they can allow read access to select portions of secure memory, but write access is possible as well. Right now the only thing that is sitting between me (and whoever else wants one) and the v20 in debug mode, is an msm8996 engineering data-sheet that provides the address. Security through obscurity is not security. If my guess is right, and since the fingerprint data is currently stored on the secure side of the TZ, I think it is. However, at the end of the day it is just a guess....
-- Brian