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Wich one you prefer and why?
G1 highlights: Android OS
HD highlights: Super 3.8" screen
A good video comparative (Page it´s in spanish): http://www.xataka.com/2008/09/24-htc-touch-hd-y-t-mobile-g1-en-video
G1: Android and Capacitive Touchscreen, along with hardware keyboard
HD: Superior Processing power, WM Customizability, AT&T (maybe) release, and styling. I really wish it had a capacitive touchscreen though.
any ETA on the HD yet? and is it gonna be affordable..to us "commoners" ?
or am i gonna have to dip into my 401k for this sucker?
and am i the only one who thinks the 480x800 WGVA, and 5MP cam is the sweetest thing since sliced bread?
Why is there always a competition thread between phones? The G1 is supposed to be a start for google. . . . and it didn't do so well. Whats next a HD vs iPhone?
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. and it didn't do so well. Whats next a HD vs iPhone?
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Not even a fair contest the iphonie would be left in the dust...
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Not even a fair contest the iphonie would be left in the dust...
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Well said mate, agree!!
See Iphone vs. Omnia vs. HD here!: http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=Aiw5PsQ50Uc
It´s amazing!
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Not even a fair contest the iphonie would be left in the dust...
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Lol. . . If its as stable as they put it then the iPhone has competition. . .
There is one question that has got me stumped. . how would I play dpad games? V-Dpad? Like we saw on the newest review? Since there is so much space, would that be the case?
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Well said mate, agree!!
See Iphone vs. Omnia vs. HD here!: http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=Aiw5PsQ50Uc
It´s amazing!
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yuppi i want the blackstone asap. you cant compare htc phones to other brands. iphone is definatelly the worst thing you want to get. omnia is ok but it is samsung i am not a big fan of samsung mobiles. htc the best thing you can get although support from htc is rubbish. but we have this beautifull website in here to help.
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yuppi i want the blackstone asap. you cant compare htc phones to other brands. iphone is definatelly the worst thing you want to get. omnia is ok but it is samsung i am not a big fan of samsung mobiles. htc the best thing you can get although support from htc is rubbish. but we have this beautifull website in here to help.
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It's not the worst, its mainly a media phone that has a strong and stable media player. . . . It wasn't made for what every wanted it to be apparently after apple made it, so don't go bashing please. . its just a regular phone with some advanced features . .
No I am no fanboy, but everyone bashes everything just because everyone else does it too. . . Look at the facts. . the apple fanboys are gonna bash this too with a similar remark towards the BlackStone.
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Look at the facts. . the apple fanboys are gonna bash this too with a similar remark towards the BlackStone.
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What will the Apple fanboys bash? The fact that it runs on WM? Yes, but at least everyone will acknowledge it's failings instead of pretending everything's rosy in the garden like all Apple "enthusiasts" do!
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What will the Apple fanboys bash? The fact that it runs on WM? Yes, but at least everyone will acknowledge it's failings instead of pretending everything's rosy in the garden like all Apple "enthusiasts" do!
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I never said it didn't have flaws. . . .
Thats prabably one of the targets . . lol
I know, the lack of a real keyboard and D-Pad will be a pain, no multitouch, and no complete tactile feedback(latest pre-pro features bottom touch sensetive buttons with tactile feedback). . .there are some others but whats the fun of finding the flaws, then it makes the phone less "wantable" and then we expect to much out of HTC. . .
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It's not the worst, its mainly a media phone that has a strong and stable media player. . . . It wasn't made for what every wanted it to be apparently after apple made it, so don't go bashing please. . its just a regular phone with some advanced features . .
No I am no fanboy, but everyone bashes everything just because everyone else does it too. . . Look at the facts. . the apple fanboys are gonna bash this too with a similar remark towards the BlackStone.
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I actually agree with Tito here. I'm no fan of iPhone. But you have to give credit to where it's due. iPhone has dominated the American market, not so much the European or Asian markets. You can say that has to do with Apple ability to strike better deals with Phone Service Providers, but you also have to acknowledge that Apple has found themselves a niche market, the portable multimedia market, and has managed to be the frontrunners on that market.
iPhone is essentially a multimedia phone and for it's main purpose, it is "awesome" so to speak and so far WM based devices has struggled to compete with iphone on that front, despite WM more functionability.
The fact that HTC has launched HTC Touch, Touch Dual, Touch Diamond, Touch HD, sort of tells the story of how HTC has faired with WM against the iPhone.
Now one question remains, are HTC devices worst than iPhone in terms of hardware, or HTC is losing ground because WM is just not that good of a program? After all HTC, Omnia, X1 all had to create their own version software UI to make it more "user/finger friendly" for customers.
I for one believe that iPhone is a better multimedia/phone device but because I'm not that much of a multimedia buff, I prefer the all encompassing functionability of WM, which gives me all round advantage.
Now back to the question of HD or G1.
I really have no opinion and I think it's just too soon to make a comparison, as most people have not used the google android yet.
If we talk about hardware then I guess HD is much better than G1, but if we talk about software then G1 has no grounds to compete because it's an enigma still?
imho then unless one really love android then HD will be batter the first g1 imho is ½baked
no teething, no adsp not alot of 3th party progs yet
cant be found without a contract....
but it shows promise
hope sooner or later it will wake the sleeping wm
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I actually agree with Tito here. I'm no fan of iPhone. But you have to give credit to where it's due. iPhone has dominated the American market, not so much the European or Asian markets. You can say that has to do with Apple ability to strike better deals with Phone Service Providers, but you also have to acknowledge that Apple has found themselves a niche market, the portable multimedia market, and has managed to be the frontrunners on that market.
iPhone is essentially a multimedia phone and for it's main purpose, it is "awesome" so to speak and so far WM based devices has struggled to compete with iphone on that front, despite WM more functionability.
The fact that HTC has launched HTC Touch, Touch Dual, Touch Diamond, Touch HD, sort of tells the story of how HTC has faired with WM against the iPhone.
Now one question remains, are HTC devices worst than iPhone in terms of hardware, or HTC is losing ground because WM is just not that good of a program? After all HTC, Omnia, X1 all had to create their own version software UI to make it more "user/finger friendly" for customers.
I for one believe that iPhone is a better multimedia/phone device but because I'm not that much of a multimedia buff, I prefer the all encompassing functionability of WM, which gives me all round advantage.
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I'm not sure that Apple have found a niche market. The market was already there but they have been able to exploit it better because of the hype created by the iPod. But let's be honest here: consumers are dumb. If you give something a nice shiny cover people will buy it and that's exactly what happened with the iPod when in reality you could have bought a PPC to not only listen to music but watch videos, play games, surf the net, send emails, etc, etc.
It's no surprise that Apple followed up with a video iPod, iPod Touch and the iPhone. They simply took advantage of MS's inexplicable unwillingness to develop WM into something it could and should have been years ago.
And yet, just like the iPod the iPhone lacks features that could really make it a killer device for EVERYONE. As a techical business user who is also a mass market consumer, for me it's missing 2 fairly essential features: a decent camera (to take spontaneous photos of my son) and the ability to connect it to my laptop to access the internet.
The problem for me is actually a wider one in that no phone on the market does everything I need it to. I want:
- the UI of the iPhone
- the 5MP camera with Xenon flash of the Nokia 6220
- in-built voice navigation of various Nokia devices
- the flexibility of WM
- the inbuilt storage of the iPhone
- the size of the SE XPeria X1
Is that too much to ask? I don't think so but it seems that every manufacturer is reluctant to make such a device when the technology is clearly already out there.
I prefer the HD becase of the hardware specks, the large screen and slick design, also like many others I am windows mobile fan...
G1 design is ugly, they should came with something more slick than this (it looks like the device was made back in 2006 - i am talking about the design)
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I'm not sure that Apple have found a niche market. The market was already there but they have been able to exploit it better because of the hype created by the iPod. But let's be honest here: consumers are dumb. If you give something a nice shiny cover people will buy it and that's exactly what happened with the iPod when in reality you could have bought a PPC to not only listen to music but watch videos, play games, surf the net, send emails, etc, etc.
It's no surprise that Apple followed up with a video iPod, iPod Touch and the iPhone. They simply took advantage of MS's inexplicable unwillingness to develop WM into something it could and should have been years ago.
And yet, just like the iPod the iPhone lacks features that could really make it a killer device for EVERYONE. As a techical business user who is also a mass market consumer, for me it's missing 2 fairly essential features: a decent camera (to take spontaneous photos of my son) and the ability to connect it to my laptop to access the internet.
The problem for me is actually a wider one in that no phone on the market does everything I need it to. I want:
- the UI of the iPhone
- the 5MP camera with Xenon flash of the Nokia 6220
- in-built voice navigation of various Nokia devices
- the flexibility of WM
- the inbuilt storage of the iPhone
- the size of the SE XPeria X1
Is that too much to ask? I don't think so but it seems that every manufacturer is reluctant to make such a device when the technology is clearly already out there.
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Yea, but not everyone wants a PPC, they see the iPhone as an easy to use thing that is made by apple(consumer's brain thought: Oh!! Look apple made it it must be good at playing music and junk). I prefer WM because of all the options it has and the more personalization you can do. I would like your idea too, but I wouldn't want the UI of the iPhone simply because as more commands and options add in, your fingers will be too big and its simplistic nature goes away. The UI is successful because it is so restrictive(not too restrictive) and lets things run the same over and over(WM can do the same thing it just depends on the hardware and software support). IDK, I had an iPhone, I loved it but it got stolen and then I realized that I should go back to WM because of the way it works and the freedom it has.
BOT:
I think that the G1 is Google's tester phone to see how far android will go with a simple phone. This will be Google's trial and error. . .
orb3000 said:
Wich one you prefer and why?
G1 highlights: Android OS
HD highlights: Super 3.8" screen
A good video comparative (Page it´s in spanish): http://www.xataka.com/2008/09/24-htc-touch-hd-y-t-mobile-g1-en-video
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oh man those videos make me want a G1 one more than an HD...
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oh man those videos make me want a G1 one more than an HD...
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Why is that mate?
Let all us know your thoughts
Cheers,
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It's not the worst, its mainly a media phone that has a strong and stable media player. . . . It wasn't made for what every wanted it to be apparently after apple made it, so don't go bashing please. . its just a regular phone with some advanced features . .
No I am no fanboy, but everyone bashes everything just because everyone else does it too. . . Look at the facts. . the apple fanboys are gonna bash this too with a similar remark towards the BlackStone.
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not bashing bro I own the iphone 3g too if you want i can show you pictures of it next to my diamond. but trust me mate, you cant get a great community as xda devs for iphone. My iphone looks crappy in front of the diamond fully moded. about the blackstone it is gonna be a 100 times iphone killer.
Typing this up really quickly as im waiting for lunch, will expand later.
I got lots of pics and vids already, which i may post later if there is any interest.
Android stuff seems to be decidedly absent so far.
@Microsoft: You all probably already heard about WM 6.5, saw some demos live, looks like a decent UI improvement, but its still no iPhone. Also saw some new devices here, including Acer stuff.
@nVidia: I did get a chance to play with a Tegra device, which was really snappy and smooth, but also the size of a small house. Very promising. They did have two normal Tegra devices on display, with names I had seldom heard before, but behind glass.
@HTC: Played with the Touch Diamond 2 a bit. I dont like the new form factor much. It wastes space at the bottom, and introduces a zoom slider that I couldnt get to work in either IE or Opera. They did do some more HTC integration, new startmenu, better contacts list etc. The Touch Max is just an HD with WiMAX.
@Qualcomm: They demod snapdragon, but it didnt seem as impressive as Tegra. Also, I was not allowed to touch the device. The now infamous Toshiba was also there, but again, no touching. BTW Nokia just made a deal with these guys, so abandon ship!
@LG: I was surprised to learn they are switching to WM as primary OS. They had some nice Omnia-like devices though, and the wristwatchphone was also fun.
@Samsung: Biggest surprise here, it seems the OmniaHD is running Symbian! No idea yet if there will also be a WM version.
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The open eco system keynote with Microsoft, Nokia and AT&T CEOS was interesting. AT&T guys was the best, Ballmer a close second with his energetic ways and content, while the Nokia guy almost killed everybody due to excess boredom. The keynote itself was mostly a call for more working together and being generally more open with things, which they all agreed was necessary.
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BTW, I dont know who CBOSS are or what they do, but they do employ an army of hot models!
More later, lunch is here, and I want to find myself a Palm Pre to play with!
ok, just tell me which device to get and that's it. so many out there i can't decide what i want.
JUST TELL ME! AHHH!
Omnia HD!!
HTC's hardware seems to be stuck in 2007 compared to Samsung and LG, heck even Sony Ericsson.
Kinda worrying how ppl are moving towards Symbian, but can't blame them windows mobile really is starting to show its age and no amount of skinning will disguise the fact that it needs a major revamp.
Okay, I was seriously thinking of abandoning the HTC ship for the nokia N97, so I could keep my tilt screen, but now? So if it is not too much trouble, my contract is up in April, could you please corner the AT$T guys and ask them when my new Touch Pro II ( Fuze II ? ) will be available on AT$T? Thanks
Some more stuff... First, somebody at HTC really needs to be fired for putting XT9 on the TP enabled when keyboard is extended. Annoying like hell, finally its off
Found some very nice Android devices that should be out by Q2. The company didnt decide on the brand name yet.
Unfortunately you cant play with the Palm Pre unless you are press.
@Gigabyte (GSmart): some very nice upcoming WM devices. Some were running 6.5 and I played with that. I think somebody made a mistake there!
@iMate: They drowned some of their WM phones. Waterproof!
can you attempt to get the new WM6.5 build ?
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Some more stuff... First, somebody at HTC really needs to be fired for putting XT9 on the TP enabled when keyboard is extended. Annoying like hell, finally its off
Found some very nice Android devices that should be out by Q2. The company didnt decide on the brand name yet.
Unfortunately you cant play with the Palm Pre unless you are press.
@Gigabyte (GSmart): some very nice upcoming WM devices. Some were running 6.5 and I played with that. I think somebody made a mistake there!
@iMate: They drowned some of their WM phones. Waterproof!
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Any more info on these very nice Android phones?
LOL chainfire,
so you're off to palm some hot models...
xplode said:
can you attempt to get the new WM6.5 build ?
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Just like the old days when we were trying to get our hands on WM5....
ROM DUMP, ROM DUMP, ROM DUMP!!!!!!! (chanting)
Come on Chain, you can do it!
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Just like the old days when we were trying to get our hands on WM5....
ROM DUMP, ROM DUMP, ROM DUMP!!!!!!! (chanting)
Come on Chain, you can do it!
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lol let's hope
mbarvian said:
lol let's hope
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Lol and then he gets caught and gets on Engadget or something.
But you'll be our hero.
well he just needs some time alone with one device (10 minutes will do) and an sd card (or any variant of it - mini, micro)
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@Qualcomm: They demod snapdragon, but it didnt seem as impressive as Tegra. Also, I was not allowed to touch the device. The now infamous Toshiba was also there, but again, no touching.
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At Toshiba's booth, you can freely play with the TG01. Please see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3339526 for more info & a lot of pics & videos (more to come!!!)
Hey Werner!
You're here? Haven't gotten round to Toshiba's booth yet, but if you're interested, PM me your phone number (plus international code bla bla) and we can meet up, schedules allowing... There will be beer!
No ROM dumps people It's a small booth, can't make it happen.
About those Android phones we saw (and I must stress here, I haven't even seen half of all the exhibits yet because of appointments and speeches etc), first, they looked very nice. One of the sexiest phone designs I've seen in a while, but then it was made by a 'design company'. They originally focused on Linux but switched to Android when it was released. According to them, they are using the default Android 'shell' - which is a shame, because their Linux phone had one of the awesomest shells I've seen in a while. I don't think they really understood me correctly, but it seemed they were saying that for these phones you can get apps to run as root without jailbreaking by getting it certified by them (or something.. wasn't really clear).
There were also some Androids coming out under the General Mobile label, but not necessarily those I mentioned above
And no, we're not palming those models (but perhaps we will? ) but we are sure to do some clubhopping here. It's Barcelona, after all! In fact I just got back from a club
EDIT: Also, at SPB's booth we were shown SPB Shell 3.0 (after being persistent), dont have any pics or vids of that. But it's pretty darn cool. I'm going to buy it when it's out, most likely, beats the crap out of TF3D.
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EDIT: Also, at SPB's booth we were shown SPB Shell 3.0 (after being persistent), dont have any pics or vids of that. But it's pretty darn cool. I'm going to buy it when it's out, most likely, beats the crap out of TF3D.
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I've taken a video of it; it's at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv8DDNE3lgA
Menneisyys said:
I've taken a video of it; it's at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv8DDNE3lgA
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Wow ! Looks great, very cool. Your right, look out TF3D.
Alright !!!! It looks like Chainfire is coming home with the goods after all.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,20797,25076342-952,00.html
Well done! A new Touch Pro II and WM 6.5.
hey Chainfire wanna do a beer .
At least i can show u my gratitude for all the work u done.. U here for ur work or what i was looking in to buy a ticket but its simply too expensive
Hehe wasn't me!
Sandbunny: Unfortunately I'm getting on the airplane back home in a few hours
Dear Experts,
I have a question regarding the 2 models HTC Touch Pro 2 & NOKIA N97
What will be the best mobile between the above 2 options taking in consideration that i don't care about the nature of the operating system, however what i care about is the business use, stability, robustness & the most important is that it can sync with my outlook contacts, calendar and other office documents.
Awaiting for your reply ASAP
Regards,
Talal
Touch Pro 2 definitely
You shouldn't even compare!.
Touch Pro 2 is an enterprise device where as N series is in the Entertainment segment.
Dear Friends,
Thanks for your advice, and I will be waiting for the official release in order to buy it.
Last but not least about HTC, the company used to produce a new model with some new features or enhancements every few months which will effect the existing model or models.
Do you consider that HTC TP2 will sustain at least for 2 years and what about the rumor of the HTC touch pro 3
check the below link
http://marcustavares.wordpress.com/2009/02/22/htc-touch-pro-3-a-dream-pda/
Regards,
zongol said:
Dear Experts,
I have a question regarding the 2 models HTC Touch Pro 2 & NOKIA N97
What will be the best mobile between the above 2 options taking in consideration that i don't care about the nature of the operating system, however what i care about is the business use, stability, robustness & the most important is that it can sync with my outlook contacts, calendar and other office documents.
Awaiting for your reply ASAP
Regards,
Talal
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I am in the midst of the same decision , you say you don't care about the OS, but I think that that is the entire basis of the decision. Symbian or Windows Mobile. In it' s original pre-release specs the N97 would blow the TP II ( also pre-release specs ) away, but as it gets closer to release , Nokia is really stepping down the specs.
N97 cpu -434Mhz TP II- 528Mhz
N97 Ram-128 Mb TP II- 288 Mb
N97 Internal storage 32Gb TP II 512 Mb
I think it all comes down to which OS you think you can get along with the most.
I fear the advice where will be as biased as if you find a nokiaDeveloper forum and ask there
people who don't pref touch pro 2 would not be likely to spend that much time in this forum
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the most important is that it can sync with my outlook contacts, calendar and other office documents.
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You answered your own question there mate.
I used to have an N80, so I know the N-Series are good. But my friend has an N96 and to be honest, I was dissapointed when I played with it.
I predict, as Denco has said, that the N97 won't be all that is hyped up to be and that the specs might be a bit exaggerated at the moment.
Go for the TP2. It will have an official WM6.5 ROM released for it in October and it's power and features are that of what other PocketPC manufacturers are going to be trying to match for the next year or so...
Thomas.
Rudegar said:
I fear the advice where will be as biased as if you find a nokiaDeveloper forum and ask there
people who don't pref touch pro 2 would not be likely to spend that much time in this forum
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More than agree
Go to a Volvo dealer and ask wich is better between Ford and Volvo...
NOKIA N97
No questions asked. This coming from a die hard fan of htc phones. Current TP owner. WinMo is awesome but is not and will not be a good OS for some time.
Respectfully
I would never think on changing WM for Symbian or any other, at least by now...perhaps in the future Android could be a good option...
There will always be a newer model avail every year or so. If you hold off on buying because of that you'll spend your life waiting for the next model. I say go with the TP2 for one simple reason......HTC!
Second the TP2 as the hot device out now...check out the excitement over in the Rhodium forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=488
I think you should go for neither, either wait for the Palm Pre if they can release it anytime soon or the new iphone i would assume both are about a month or so away. If you cant wait then go for the N97 for the simple fact that Nokia innovate and progress with their products, where as HTC create one product then put limitations on the hardware and then unlock these limitations and then sell the same product as new product. Pretty much almost all the new features on the TP2 derive from software upgrades and not hardware upgrades.
The N97 does actually give u more hardware for your money and with the advent of the Ovi Store (once its up and running properly) you will more than likely be able to pick up software to fulfill all your needs.
I would personally wait for another manufacturer to release an android phone or a windows mobile phone and go for that instead. Check out the Samsung i7500 or some of the upcoming LG phones.
Maybe too many htc fanboys here to give an unbiased opinion.
The symbian operating system will be totally limited to what it will allow you to do, there is very little room for modding.... really it's just tweaking, Nokia for sure has prevented access to the system files with newer Nseries phones, so there won't really be a whole lot of that....
Blows me away seeing how much can be done with Windows Mobile as far as changing the functionality of the phone....
But the N97 is a sweet phone, and I do plan to own one!
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N97 cpu -434Mhz TP II- 528Mhz
N97 Ram-128 Mb TP II- 288 Mb
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Comparing these stats is meaningless. Diferent O/Ss will require diferent compiled exe's and diferent processors run diferent architecture which will also compile as diferent size exe's. Also, you cannot directly compare one clock speed with another unless they are the same manufacturer and based on the same architecture.
The only way to compare across such diferent devices would be in every day use i.e. open a word document, edit it and save it (see how laggy it is/isn't) or show a video and see how well it shows etc...
If you want outlook syncing then nothing that im aware of beats WinMob but, what would you expect from an O/S thats by Microsoft for a MS product? I can't comment on the Nokia syncing, never used one.
edit: HTC's internal ram has always sucked (as have many WinMob devices) instead, relying on expansion SD/Mini-SD. If you need such great storage, the best way I know of at the moment is a 16gig Omnia with a 16gig card in it (total 32gig).
imho...
Office integration on Symbian is much better these days. Though you may need to upgrade the Office software included to get fuller functioning.
One thing that still annoys me on Symbian, is lack of support for Outlook Catagories. I just don't understand why they don't just add it...
If you like to play and tweak OS etc. the go HTC.
If you like Social Networking stuff, Go Nokia. they are really making a big push on services support in this area. Good widgets for Home Screen etc.
If you want a decent camera/video recording go Nokia.
If you like high res screen, for HTC.
On a similar rant. I just don't understand why HTC can't just put decent camera hardware on thier devices...
Also, on the warranty side, Nokia are excellent (at least in the UK). You get 2 years. Any trouble, just pop into your local Nokia Repair Shop. They also tend to be geared towards actually getting repairs done for a 'reasonable' cost if it's not a warranty issue, with Parts being readily available.
This was not the case with HTC (a year or 2 back). May have improved now.
There is a grid by Steve Litchfield (allaboutsymbian, so slightly biased...) which I find quite fun.
It's at : http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/grid.htm
Me, I think I'm pinning hopes on the TG01 at the moment. But getting frustrated that I don't see a real release date/price. Might be tempted by the Omnia HD or N97.
Hope that's helpful.
Zuber
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On a similar rant. I just don't understand why HTC can't just put decent camera hardware on thier devices...
..... I think I'm pinning hopes on the TG01 at the moment. But getting frustrated that I don't see a real release date/price. Might be tempted by the Omnia HD or N97.
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Same here, thats why my current is an Omnia I900 and its, not needed, replacement which arrives Friday is a Acer M900 - both 5meg cameras.
Dont hold your breath on the TG01. They just announced the good news, its processor is being upgraded to 1.3ghz, the bad news is that its not even going into Sampling until the end of the year. Phones reaching the shelves were scheduled for "sometime early next year" ... dont forget the inevitable delays
Hard to pick as I'm pretty unimpressed by both the N97 and the TP2 and wouldn't even think of getting either. If Windows Mobile, then the new Toshi phones - particularly the announced one with the capacitive creen - OR the Samsung Omnia HD (but that's Symbian).
If you ABSOLUTELY must to pick from between these two models, get the TP2. Nevertheless, to get a decent multimedia / camera phone, I also recommend getting a cheap, second-hand Nokia N95. Or, if you want gaming, an iPhone 3G or an iPod Touch 2G. The best of the two (three) worlds.
Monty Burns said:
Dont hold your breath on the TG01. They just announced the good news, its processor is being upgraded to 1.3ghz, the bad news is that its not even going into Sampling until the end of the year. Phones reaching the shelves were scheduled for "sometime early next year" ... dont forget the inevitable delays
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I read about that, but I thought it meant that there would 'also' be a faster version coming later with current release plans for June/July. Did not think it was 'instead of'. What's Toshiba playing at? If it's true, then I'm guessing they are still having some problems with it and decided to postpone...
Can someone point to something definate regarding the delay ?
Sorry to go off topic.
Thanks,
Zuber
Despite the difference of CPU or some other hardware... WM is much better than SB(Symbian, SB-->means "****" in chinese ^o^ )
Yea i know there are alot of these threads so heres another.
My current phone the G1 is starting to break down so im looking for a new phone. I'm considering the Touch Pro2, Touch HD, Hero, and the Toshiba TG01. I have never used a windows mobile device before with the G1 being my first by HTC. I'm willing to try it as long as it has been prettied up some(TouchFlo or Stripes).
If you have either the Touch Pro2 or the Touch HD can you give me your experiences with them.
HTC in my experience is awefull build quality. After owning four diferent models I have vowed never to own one again. Shame really, apart from the poor camera selection they are designed really well ..... just a shame they fall to bits.
Out of your list, would have to be TG01.
Have you looked at the new Omnia II's? (not the Omnia HD) Theres a full on Iphone/HD lookie-likely and two keyboard models, one a TP2 type and one a blackberry type.
Don't forget the Acer M900 (which is what I currently use) and the more pocket friendly F900.
Touch Pro 2 definetly
Because keyboard is a must for me!
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wizern23 said:
Yea i know there are alot of these threads so heres another.
My current phone the G1 is starting to break down so im looking for a new phone. I'm considering the Touch Pro2, Touch HD, Hero, and the Toshiba TG01. I have never used a windows mobile device before with the G1 being my first by HTC. I'm willing to try it as long as it has been prettied up some(TouchFlo or Stripes).
If you have either the Touch Pro2 or the Touch HD can you give me your experiences with them.
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I had windows mobile and even though preference is a matter of perspective.... windows might be a step in the wrong direction. Back when I had it windows was ahead of its time... but now it seems like its standing still ... like its been stagnant for the last 3 yrs I haven't seen any major differences...from android to winmo is going Back to resistive touch screens... with not so finger friendly gestures because the screens tend to not pick up on the motion... I would really love to see MS step it up and release a new os or 7.0 which I hope makes a major difference. Dont get me wrong for business i would only use winmo or BB... but at this point Android just seems like a wiser choice... its not an ancient OS that will probably bore you quickly. All the phones sound great ... if you want break down and comparisons then go to infosyncworld.com ... they rate the phones for you.
As somebody who's an advocate of Windows Mobile, my honest opinion is that now isn't a good time to buy a WinMo phone at all, especially not for the first time. The only people I would recommend the current batch of WM phones to are people who already use WM, don't want to learn a different system, and REALLY need a new device.
Here's why: Windows Mobile 6 has a real learning curve, and coming from Android you're probably going to find yourself frustrated at a lot of the inconsistencies and complications. Further, WM7 is already on the horizon and I think we'll be getting our first real peeks at it before the year is out. It should be a massive, fundamental overhaul to the way WM works. There's a lot of unanswered questions right now, ESPECIALLY whether WM7 apps will work on WM6 devices and whether it will be possible to upgrade any current WM6 or 6.5 devices to 7. If not, it's possible that application support for WM6 devices might grind to a halt within a year.
If I were in your boots, I'd try to hold on to that G1 as long as you can. By October or November, I think we'll have a better view of the future of WM and it'll be easier to see whether WM will serve your needs going forward.
Now, all this is completely moot if you're rolling in enough dough to just buy a new phone whenever you feel like it. If so, feel free to buy whatever you like.
Wouldn't all of these phones be able to upgrade to winmo 7 anyway. I really dont care about having to learn how to use windows mobile. Im more interested in the devices themself. My main concern is switching to a device with out a keyboard.
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Wouldn't all of these phones be able to upgrade to winmo 7 anyway. \\
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Well, that's the problem: we just don't know yet. A lot of people here seem to take it for granted that WM7 will be as "open" as WM6 in terms of porting and the like, but comments from MS make me a lot less confident -- it sounds like WM7 might have much more specific hardware requirements that will keep it from being run on older models. It's POSSIBLE WM7 will be able to be put on, say, a Touch Pro 2, but it's not a foregone conclusion.
All signs point to WM7 being a major upgrade (keep in mind that WM7 has been in development since 6.1 dropped if not longer), and I think it's going to be really disappointing to be stuck with 6.5 once 7 hits.
But if you're looking to roll the dice, the Touch Pro 2 looks like a great phone UNLESS you want to use it as a media player. Lack of a 3.5mm jack is a serious weakness there.
yea the 3.5mm jack is a necessity b/c i planned on getting the Motorola S9s or something along that line to use because all of those except the hero are huge or heavy
I personally don’t believe that WM7 will be ready early 2010. It might take until 2011 that we see any WM7device.
TP2 seams currently best HTC choice if you need keyboard. However frankly speaking after having 2 HTC devices (Hermes and Kaiser) with slide keyboards I am not very confident about the durability (quality) of HTC hardware. Both of the devices had after short time issues with the rails and tilt mechanism.
Just recently I went to a shop to have look on the TP2 and the keyboard rails and the tilt seams same crap as previous devices. You can also read many complain in the TP2 section about screen wobbling. Touch HD has a very nice large screen (love large screens) but it is 1 year old technology and performance wise it did not satisfied many people. Furthermore as you are from USA you would need Australian version to able to use in American 3G. But the Device cost still after 1 year some 800-900$
My personal favoured are currently the Samsung Omnia II/i800 and Samsung Omnia II pro (b7610) Specs on the paper and the current reviews are indicating that those are under best devices on the market. Furthermore Samsung has almost entirely covered with additional software the aged WinMo operation platform. Further positive point is the Price. Both Samsung devices are about 100-200 USD cheaper then HTC devices even though they have better CPU; Camera etc.
I agree with Bulldog -- the Omnia II devices look really excellent. I like the design of the TP2 better, but I trust Samsung's build quality more and, feature-wise, it's fantastic.
Yes but you have to add that with omnia or any other you´ll not have the support of this great site!
That for me is an added value to consider before buying
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Yes but you have to add that with omnia or any other you´ll not have the support of this great site!
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Yes you do. This site offers Winmob o/s and Winmob App support to all. If you want cooked roms, look no further than omnia.modaco.com where there are plenty! My Omnia (original one) is currently running a great cooked rom of WM 6.5
Lets also not forget the AMOLED screen either on the new Omnias. I really regret buying my Acer M900, not because its crap - its not - but the new Samsungs look simply stunning. And if you factor in the success of the Omnia, widely regarded as the best Winmob all-rounder, the new Omnias should be spanking!
I am really in serious confusion like others for buying HTC HD2.
After the annoucement from Windows for no upgrade to WM7 to any of the mobile right now in market.
See, I am not worrying about WM7 upgrade to HD2 and I like HTC HD2 very much even with WM6.5.
All my worries are if after WM7 release, if there is no any applications/other development for WM 6.5, then it will be a big problem, even though MS announced it will support WM 6.x.
Atleast what we are looking for is atleast the backward compatiablity. Whatever applications which developed for WM7 atleast work for WM 6.5 even if not for WM 6.1.
See, WM6.x has been released somewhat around october 2009 and not even six months old.
There are around 50 and over windows mobile phones running on WM 6.x.
Even if WM7 is getting released this year end, it's not fair for MS not to upgrade to WM7, atleast we want the backward compatility wihout the upgrade. IT'S NOT FAIR FOR THE COMPANY NOT ALLOWING THE TRUE CUSTOMNRS TO UPGRADE THE NEW VERSION WHICH IS WITH IN 1 YEAR (WM6.5 oct 2009 - WM7 sep 2010)
Still, I am having a wavering mind which one to go, HTC HD2 or iPhone 3GS. Before March 1, 2010, I am very sure and confident to buy the HD2 and planned to buy it on March 6,2010. Now I hold the plan and don't have much time for my recontract and I need to go with anyone of it.
I dont' know now the HD2 is calling as "Dark handset". It's "Dark" due to it's future
Though, it's very diffcult to select and also, it's upto ones requirement, can you guys help on which one should I choose between HD2 and iPhone 3GS, at this present scenario and after MS annoucement.
I am planning to wait for MIX (15-17 mar..?). Can I wait for it and give one more change to HD2 or do you thnik it's not correct time to go for windows mobile and time being to go for iPhone. Need a neutral verdict. thanks
I am also having this issue, i have been with WM since the Orange SPV was released many years ago.
My issues are much the same as above, i am about to get myself into a 2 year contract and i have the same two device options. as stated above my concern is that, now WP7 has been anounced there will be a real lack of drive for companies and developers to release apps for 6.5. added to this the news that the HD2 will not be upgradable to WP7 makes me even more unsure as to what device to go for.
at the moment companies are not making apps for WM6.x where as these are being released all the time for the iPhone. ie. a decent Sky app, banking apps, BBC iPlayer, Kindle, ebay, the list goes on.
I know none of you are fortunetellers and what the future holds is unknow, but with the infomation that we have at this point in time, i'm worried that i'm going to be stuck with a device that is largly redundant.
I'll finish off by saying the i would rather stick with Windows, and not have to go with apple.
Whats your advice?
Thanks
Allan
-6.5 will have support for another 2 years plus xda support.
-I can see my HD2 running android by the end of the year.
-wp7s won't be brilliant til at least half way through next year.
-I use my DS as a gaming machine.
-I'll buy an ipod touch if i want apple apps.
imo, the bigger problem would be HD2 vs Desire.
As for myself, i don't care about android nor WM7. In a few months from now i will be buying an HD2, either used or new!
I would never own anything apple, especially an iphone they're crap!!! my sister has had one, like most people, she realised they were crap but wouldn't admit she'd spent £500, plus £40 a month for 18 months for something inferior to my tp2 that was free and only £30 a month for 12 months with more minutes, texts and data...lol... and you have to create an itunes account to use it, i mean, come on, if MS tried a stunt like that they'd be pulled up in front of every court in the land, and what modding fun can you have with an iphone??? unless of course you like putting up shelves with a glorified mp3 player, and who's really bothered about wm7? besides, with the savings you can buy visual studio and write your own apps...lol...
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imo, the bigger problem would be HD2 vs Desire.
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This is my problem....I've been scratching my head over this for the past few weeks. I'm so used to wm that the HD2 looks like the logical step, but the Desire looks awesome and wm7 won't be available for the HD2
You shouldn't even compare the HD2 to the iPhone dude, HD2 is now lightyears ahead of the iPhone..
As someone above said, 6.5 will be supported for the life of the phone. And lets be honest, who cares if its not? How much "support" did microsoft give 6.1 in the past few years?
No competition in my book: HD2
I will try to give my opinion as best as I can. I think I have a bit of experience in this area - mainly because I went through the exact same issue and I made a choice. As one can see in my signature below, my choice became the iPhone 3GS.
Mind you, this wasn't an easy choice. As someone who typically despises Apple and their products (in fact, the iPhone 3GS is the first Apple product I've ever owned), it's not like I decided to switch from WinMo to iPhone on a whim. I thought it over for a period of several months.
Originally, once I realized moving onto WP7S would be impossible for me, I was simply going to stick with WM6.X, then the news starting coming that developers were canceling WM6.X projects (including a few which I was really looking forward to). Even on XDA, there were topics from developers stating concern, and some mentioned that they were going to put some 'major' projects on hold to develop for WP7S instead. So faced with the possibility of sticking with an OS that seemed to be dying even as Microsoft profess continued support, it seemed like moving on would be the wiser choice. Unfortunately, moving onto WP7S would essentially be starting all over for me, and the idea of doing such a thing for a brand new OS seemed incredibly stupid to me.
So I figured if I had to move to a brand new OS, why not choose one that had great support already? A lot of choices went through my mind (WebOS, Android, Maemo, etc), but I ultimately chose the iPhone because I figured it would be the easiest transition.
Ultimately, I think I was proven right. Within a span of two days of owning the 3GS, my primary concern, applications, was almost completely alleviated. As I had expected, the iPhone had a replacement application that was equal (and, in many cases, better) to what I had used on Windows Mobile. Additionally, many of my other concerns (lower res, on-screen keyboard, browser, etc) turned out to be fine. In fact, it was often better than I would have hoped for. Even my biggest fear, having to use iTunes, turned out to be very minor.
For someone who typically hated Apple's design philosophy, I was extremely impressed with how they designed the iPhone.
Of course, not all was completely well. Even as I am an iPhone owner, I'm still trying to use the iPhone like I used WinMo, which, of course, just plain doesn't work. It takes some adjusting, but it's admittedly not too bad (it also helps that some fine folks created apps to help the transition. ). The only other problem I see on hand is Apple's infamous restrictiveness...and I'm not even referring to the App Store. For someone with a mild OCD of keeping all my files neatly organized; Apple's refusal to allow me to even do something as simple as even renaming my files is aggravating. However, I am getting used to it.
So to get to the point, I ultimately switched to the iPhone out of 'lost hope' for Microsoft's platform, and the belief that the iPhone would make for the easiest transition compared to other OSes. I will continue to pay some attention to WP7S to see if it's ever worth coming back to, but if my experience with, well, Windows Mobile is any indication, a year or two of owning the iPhone, and switching will be almost impossible unless Apple does something extremely drastic. To the TC, am I recommending the switch to the iPhone? Ultimately, I think it is your choice, but if my experience is something to go by, switching to the iPhone may not be as big of a deal as one might think. Hell, you might even enjoy it.
AND, what would stop this community from creating WP7 rom, I'm quite certain we'll see these being pushed around on top of all the nex-gen phones, IE Google Nexus. Wait for it, wait for it, wait for it.
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AND, what would stop this community from creating WP7 rom, I'm quite certain we'll see these being pushed around on top of all the nex-gen phones, IE Google Nexus. Wait for it, wait for it, wait for it.
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I agree, no doubt we'll see WP7 on some devices to an extent, but you'll miss the full functionality due to the specs of some devices
Why would you want it?
As far as I can tell its missing shed loads of features and all you will do is restrict the HD2 massivley. Your much better off imo, staying on 6.5 until the better version(s) come out next year or whenever they are due....
What about HD2 vs the iPhone 4G commign this year?
Just speculating now