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Hi Guys!
I'm really happy with my Touch Pro for about a month or so, but one thing really dissapoints me : the camera. Before this TP I had a N95 and it really has a great camera; fast, vivid and sharp.
I have tried virtually every available setting in the TP Camera, but I keep getting pictures that aren't really sharp. Best result is pictures taken from a short distance, but when I try to shoot for example my house or street (daylight!) it's a bit blurry.
What's with your TP camera's; are they 'great' of do you have the same impression as I do?
well the HTC company has come from far considering the camera`s.
when al the other manufactor`s like samsung or nokia had 1.3 and 2.1 MP in their phone`s, htc was still stuck with 0.3 MP in their phone`s.
second while for all the other manufactory`s the camera function was very important to them, it wasn`t for htc.
htc never was sold as a camera phone but as an PPC or PDA with a camera.
and don`t forget that a company like sony and samsung already made very good foto and video camera`s it was easy for them to implement a good camere in their phone.
so altouch you now have a nice 3.2MP with autophocus on youre HTC it stil isent a real photo camera.
it just can take picture`s and good ones for the majority of people.
still if you want to take a proffesionel looking foto you got to do it with youre real camera
personaly for me the camera in the HTC is good for a quick snapshot or a nice picture.
sure i would like to see a better camera on the Touch pro or diamond, but if it was just the good camera i wanted i was getting me a sony ericsson.
probably you did aspect more from the camera of youre HTC, and that is to bad.
maybe you did not do any research on the camera`s in the past.
or you didn`t see picture`s taken with an HTC before you bought yours and so i can understand the disappointment you are having.
but you probably haveto live with it.
there are also some settings you can adjust with, maybe you got to try it out.
point is, HTC has a camera on it but it is not the most important thing on the phone.
Are you touching the round button first to get a focus, before you depress it fully to take the shot? Lightly placing your finger on the button causes the indicator on-screen to go green, indicating focus has been achieved. If you don't do it in these two steps, the camera hasn't focussed properly and your shots will be fuzzy.
I tend to get pretty good shots with mine.
It's all there in the manual.
You really can't expect much from the pinhole camera. The focus is strictly software contrast detection fixed focus, so it will be nowhere as good as a real camera with true autofocus. Basically it's stuck at a super high aperture (fstop, like f22) so that it can focus on everything. It can't really truly "focus." With such cheap cameras, it's possible some just aren't calibrated right. I'm still waiting for those liquid lenses that were suppose to revolutionize camera phones 2 years ago or the Squiggle 5mm focusing motor.
What i found a lot of people doing is they hold the thumb over the button and hear the fake focus noise and think thats it, when it fact you have to keep your thumb there until you hear the focus beeps. Usually takes 2-3 seconds. I'm actually kinda impress how macro the focus can get. Noise is pretty bad though, you'll need to reduce the image by at least 1/4th to get rid of it via subsampling.
Thanks very much for all your quick replies!
Yep; I'm using a light touch on the button and wait for the auto-focus to become green before completely pressing. I also tried other settings like pressing once and waiting for the picture to be taken.
I complete understand your filosophy about that the HTC builds PPC's / PDA's and not camera-phones like the Sony or Nokia. In that light; the pictures of the 3.2MP camera aren't too bad.
However, I am used to carrying my phone with me everywhere and sometimes would like to take a picture without carrying my normal camera around. That was going really great with the N95; so great that most of the time I left my real camera at home. Now, with the HTC, I have to remember to carry my camera with me when I am going somewhere I might want to take a picture. That sucks in my opiniion
I did extensive research on the phone I wanted and the TP was the best match for my needs. I thought. Never thought about checking the camera-quality. Stupid me.
But... I am not thinking of getting rid of the phone because of the camera. Yet.
I don't think it's a focus problem, I think the problem is the low quality of the lens. Yes, unfortunately TP doesn't have nearly the quality of a N95 or similar, but the N series has always been about great multimedia cameraphones, which isn't TP's market. I'm not justifying the bad quality, I'm just saying I didn't expect a great camera from a professional phone.
what about the camera quality compared to a 2mp BlackBerry camera??
just curious
msmith1991 said:
what about the camera quality compared to a 2mp BlackBerry camera??
just curious
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I also have a BlackBerry Pearl from my work and its camera is about the same quality as the Touch Pro. Sometimes even a bit sharper but less colourfull. It hasn't got autofocus.
I just saw the new HTC Touch Pro 2. But as usually, it is not perfect. It is always missing some specs.
So I build one as I think could be a perfect devise. The name is HTC Touch Pro 3.
What do you think if this devise was on sale?
Have a look on the specs at: http://marcustavares.wordpress.com/2009/02/22/htc-touch-pro-3-a-dream-pda
Marcus Tavares said:
What do you think if this devise was on sale?
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I think it would cost at least £1000 SIM-free and, frankly, wouldn't sell to most people, simply because of the price.
All the Touch-Pro-2 needs really is a 3.5mm headphone socket.
Like the one they put on the Touch HD, damnit!
Best things in it:
- OLED display
- the projector. Build in a tripod and the TV output is not so important.
What it lacks:
- 50-200mm F/1.8 lens with image stabilization.
- Windows Mobile with CE Core 6.0.
But they won't build such a device, because it would satisfy most people for about 5 years.
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But they won't build such a device, because it would satisfy most people for about 5 years.
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I think this is the REAL PROBLEM here. All they could think of is how to squeeze more money from us.
Htc is trying to rip us off. I mean why can't they just focus on a particular phone like the iphone and build on it till its perfect. Instead they release all these new phones with the same features and slight difference and charge u an arm and a leg and i can just buy an iphone for $200usd. I mean what the hell is wron with those idiots at htc. I need to buy some shares and have a say in that company because clearly they a great at creating but horrible at business.
12.1MP camera.
Lol it would be 12.1 mp of blur.
the problem with HTC
do u guys realize the software support for HTC sucks big time? For example I have a HTC Advantage. They could have improved the video playback of the G-sensor. Instead they just ignored it and went on selling other new products.
I agree the cost might be too high. The 3.5mm headphone socket I don't need as I use the Motorola S9-HD but I agree it is important.
If I need to chose one item it will be the camera. 3.1 is defenetly low for a device is comming in the middle of 2009 and in the mean time lots of competitors like Samsung OmniaHD, Nokia N97 and others are comming with better camera.
3?! 2 won't even be out for a few months.
dortyboy said:
Htc is trying to rip us off. I mean why can't they just focus on a particular phone like the iphone and build on it till its perfect. Instead they release all these new phones with the same features and slight difference and charge u an arm and a leg and i can just buy an iphone for $200usd. I mean what the hell is wron with those idiots at htc. I need to buy some shares and have a say in that company because clearly they a great at creating but horrible at business.
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HTC release devices like the TP2 for those that need a keyboard, the Diamond for those that want something small, the HD for those that want films etc. They've realised there is no perfect device, so why not make something for everyone?
Also, those complaining about incremental improvements, look at the iPhone. So, the second gen has 3G. Which it should have had the first time around. That's about the only new thing hardware wise.
Also, no one is forcing you to by HTC. If you love the iPhone so much, go and buy one, and regret it.
I read your specs, and while it is good to dream, even maybe hint at a potential HTC engineer what to do next...you should also keep in mind some physical constraints, so here are my few remarks ;-)
a screen of 10 cm of diagonal, and a 5 way dpad seems very difficult to fit in a 59x116mm device. Your screen is 85mm high, add 2*2mm for borders, 7mm up for the front camera and loudspeaker, and u have 10mm to fit a 5 way dpad... difficult! and a zoom bar? forget it ;-)
Fitting an optical zoom in a 17 mm thick device? difficult, u would need to use 45 degree mirror to angle the zoom/captor 90 degree (it will be set in the width of the device)...and then u can forget about the projector...
Also, such arangements (optical zoom OR microprojector) would change the physical layout of your device. Basically, it would look more like the G1 than the touch pro, the DPAD/zoom bar should stay fixed with regard to keyboard to have some room to fit those devices.
USB3 is not supported by snapdragon, so this is not possible (additional control chip is not possible, for space and energy usage reasons)
same for wimax and 802.11n wifi...not sure it support 1080P output either, I think it is 720p. Recording in 1080P/30fps is certainly out of reach of the snapdragon...but even if it could do it, no way u could use such a resolution with the small lens in anything less than bright sunlight or studio lighting. and even then, i am not sure it would be better than 720P. 1080P camcoders need a significant lens opening, you need a lot of photons to get an acceptable signal/noise at 30 fps with so many pixels...
scroll wheel would be very nice! I wonder why this has faded from all current smartphones, it was popular at one time, and for good reasons: some kind of side control is great for navigating in lists, webpage or ebooks...So yes, here I am 100% with you: it is time for a comeback
And last: I think it is not possible to fit a 2100 mAh battery given the size of the device and the presence of a physical keyboard: it would have to be thicker..or without keyboard...batteries with higher energy density could allow it, but they are not available right now, and hoping for such a significant progress would push your dream device to long term future ;-)
Marcus Tavares said:
I agree the cost might be too high. The 3.5mm headphone socket I don't need as I use the Motorola S9-HD but I agree it is important.
If I need to chose one item it will be the camera. 3.1 is defenetly low for a device is comming in the middle of 2009 and in the mean time lots of competitors like Samsung OmniaHD, Nokia N97 and others are comming with better camera.
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3 megapixels is enough for amateur photography, especially in mobile phone
I prefer less megapixel with less noise than the opposite.
Do you make prints bigger than 20x30cm (8x12in.) ?
I did 20x30cm prints from 3mpix DSLR camera (Sigma SD9) and quality was very good...
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Adam
Nice, but for the vid recording, how about CCD, its better than CMOS apparantly, and make the image quality really high, as that is what makes a photo look nicer. And seriously, a dream phone should have UMTS 850/900/1700/1900/2100, which is what the XPERIA should have had.
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Nice, but for the vid recording, how about CCD, its better than CMOS apparantly, and make the image quality really high, as that is what makes a photo look nicer. And seriously, a dream phone should have UMTS 850/900/1700/1900/2100, which is what the XPERIA should have had.
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I think multi-purposes camera are going back to CMOS. From what I understand, CMOS suffered from image non-uniformity...but this has been mostly solved. On the other hand, CMOS decrease price of supporting circuitry, but also allows for faster framerates. So the new photo/video camera with high framerate video recording (30fps/60fps/even more for slow motion) are going back to CMOS...
Oh, ok, thanks for the info man!
dream device= touch pro with faster cpu in a kaiser body.
i just have to have soft keys.
Dream device
1 ghz processor
3.5" screen
Universal unbeatable form factor: Microlap top-pda
great keyboard
Waiting for Phone after Touch Pro 2
I bought the Mogul in 8/07 and the Touch Pro 1 in 10/08 and don't see the need to jump at the Touch Pro 2 for $500-$600 with only minor improvements, even if I can sell (which I always do) my TP1 on ebay. I'll wait for the phone after the TP 2 from HTC that has:
-WM 7
-5 MP camera
-better battery life
-700+ MHz processor
-4GB ROM
-1GB RAM
-etc., etc.
Going from the TP 1 to TP 2 is a waste of money IMHO and everyone making the jump won't be able to get the 2 year contract discount which is still $400 with it. I'll put my $400 to the next upgrade due in late 2010 or early 2011. I'm good with Mighty ROM 6...LOL
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Dream device
1 ghz processor
3.5" screen
Universal unbeatable form factor: Microlap top-pda
great keyboard
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Add TV-Out or a projector and I'll dish out $ for that, as long as it'll have att 3G (preferably unbranded)
Touch Pro3
Android or Webos
Cortex A8 Processor or Snapdragon/tegra.
same form factor+headphone jack
slightly larger screen because of the omission of the zoom bar.
same screen resolution.
i tried to be realistic because all these things are possible right now not some fantasy device. (with the exception of licensing Webos or just building it for Palm)
i know the camera in the tp2 is 3.2 mp, whereas the TD2 is a big jump up to 5.0mp....but does anyone know if the optics as well are upgraded....or just the resolution. My reason of concern is...if the td2 takes the same crappy pictures as the tp2 but in higher resolution...its not really a worthwhile shopping point for me.
anyone know for sure? lens/firmware etc...any difference?
I must admit its a really good question, I don't see many people bothered about this to be honest.
yeah...usually stuff like this is found out when they do the tear downs on different phones, being that i haven't seen anything of the sort for the tp2...i had a feeling it'd be a while until the blogging community finds out.
Well, while the touch pro 2 was released AFTER the touch diamond 2, it's camera is even worse, while the touch diamond 2 camera makes much better pictures. And forget about the megapixels in a mobilephone any 100$ digital camera will take 10x better pictures.
You can compare the touch diamond 2 pics almost to the ones from the samsung omnia.
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i know the camera in the tp2 is 3.2 mp, whereas the TD2 is a big jump up to 5.0mp....but does anyone know if the optics as well are upgraded....or just the resolution. My reason of concern is...if the td2 takes the same crappy pictures as the tp2 but in higher resolution...its not really a worthwhile shopping point for me.
anyone know for sure? lens/firmware etc...any difference?
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So, do you mean that only because crappy pics you won´t buy the TP2 or D2??
Wow! I never think on a device about it´s megapixels or camera quality (ALL cell phones, smartphones pda´s have a bad lens and will never compar to a normal camera even with 2000000mpx)
I am more interested on what it can do on communications (phone, internet, etc) that is the main propose of it
If I need to take good pics I carry my small and light Cannon REAL camera
Just my opinion,
Hello,
Looking at the specs of these nice smart phones and apart form the screen being bigger I can't see much hardware difference, I currently have the touch pro 2 and i love it, but does any one have both of them, if you do how do they compare?
Hopefuly I've missed some large hareware improves of touch pro 2! Let me no.
Thanks
Hi, try the Rhodium section...there were a number of comparisons with the TP2 on top
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=479
One vote for TP2
The HTC Touch Pro 2 is a larger device and with a larger screen. So I prefer TP2.(I always like the phone with a large screen)
I think is´s more of a preference rather than one being better than the other.
Pro: Smaller, cheaper, LED flashlight, non-tilt screen (more robust?)
Pro2: Larger screen and higher resolution, tilt screen, better battery
A Better comparison can be found here.
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I think is´s more of a preference rather than one being better than the other.
Pro: Smaller, cheaper, LED flashlight, non-tilt screen (more robust?)
Pro2: Larger screen and higher resolution, tilt screen, better battery
A Better comparison can be found here.
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Yeah this where I was looking and comparing them side by side, I wasnt sure if there more features of TP2 that we're missed of this site.
Thanks
H_callahan said:
Yeah this where I was looking and comparing them side by side, I wasnt sure if there more features of TP2 that we're missed of this site.
Thanks
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I catch your drift. From what I gather (google) it´s more or less down to the bulkyness of the Pro2 because it´s not thinner. The extra height doesn´t seem to be as big of an issue.
There might also be better speaker quality in the Pro2 if you look at the Speakerphone Innovation at the HTC website.
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I catch your drift. From what I gather (google) it´s more or less down to the bulkyness of the Pro2 because it´s not thinner. The extra height doesn´t seem to be as big of an issue.
There might also be better speaker quality in the Pro2 if you look at the Speakerphone Innovation at the HTC website.
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Arrh forgot about the stero speaker and extra microphone! good point.
Really liking the design thus far. The back looks rubberized, has better speakers, and on top of that, it looks like that there is some derivative of a xenon flash? I like how the name is put on the back too. Plus, 1 ghz is what's attracting me here.
From everything that I've read, it is either going to be 5 or 8 MP camera. I'll be happy with either so long as HTC makes the camera of good quality, not the crap we've seen on the diamonds.
Will definitely invest the ~$500-$600 for this phone, but chances are this may run up to $1,000
It looks fantastic, though in Australia it probably will cost $1k+ ;{
How does the Snapdragon measure up to Tegra?
See this active thread for the latest info on a very cool htc ppc:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=560143
Some discordance seems to be around---
As the line EDITED Pro product line is with hardware keyboard, like Rapahel aka touch pro and rhodium aka touch pro 2
So the EDITED pro 3 should have a keyboard
Anyone have this more clear?
what is shure is that leo is not the EDITED pro 3
orb3000 said:
Some discordance seems to be around---
As the line Touch Pro product line is with hardware keyboard, like Rapahel aka touch pro and rhodium aka touch pro 2
So the touch pro 3 should have a keyboard
Anyone have this more clear?
what is shure is that leo is not the touch pro 3
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Im actually glad this doesn't have a physical keyboard. with a 4.3" capacitative touch screen and 1ghz, this on screen keyboard should be even better. Plus, less bulk
Agree mate, I don't use the keyboard and I want a light weight HTC ppc, big screen & Powerful cpu! So this will be my next device
orb3000 said:
Some discordance seems to be around---
As the line Touch Pro product line is with hardware keyboard, like Rapahel aka touch pro and rhodium aka touch pro 2
So the touch pro 3 should have a keyboard
Anyone have this more clear?
what is shure is that leo is not the touch pro 3
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The Leo is actually HD2 instead of Touch Pro 3. I am very sure that a version with the slide out keyboard will follow very soon aka TP3 with the exact same spec as HD2.
For me, I will get the HD2 for the uprated hardware and capacitive touch screen and then change to TP3 when it launches in the near future (I hope).
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The Leo is actually HD2 instead of Touch Pro 3. I am very sure that a version with the slide out keyboard will follow very soon aka TP3 with the exact same spec as HD2.
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How long after the Touch HD launched did the Touch Pro 2 come out?
I think HTC is operating on a roughly annual cycle. The Touch HD2 is due out roughly a year after the original Touch HD. I wouldn't expect to see the successor to the TP2 and TD2 until May 2010.
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Really liking the design thus far. The back looks rubberized, has better speakers, and on top of that, it looks like that there is some derivative of a xenon flash? I like how the name is put on the back too. Plus, 1 ghz is what's attracting me here.
From everything that I've read, it is either going to be 5 or 8 MP camera. I'll be happy with either so long as HTC makes the camera of good quality, not the crap we've seen on the diamonds.
Will definitely invest the ~$500-$600 for this phone, but chances are this may run up to $1,000
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It's not a Xenon flash, it's simply dual-LED. And the camera is 5MP, not 8. I wouldn't hold your breath for an HTC phone with a good camera.
Shasarak said:
It's not a Xenon flash, it's simply dual-LED. And the camera is 5MP, not 8. I wouldn't hold your breath for an HTC phone with a good camera.
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It's good to have a phone maker focus on making great phones rather than making 12MP camera *cough*Samsung*cough* with the same crappy CMOS sensor as a $25 webcam.
I'm actually glad that HTC doesnt bother themselves with 1080p video and TV-out functions and actually focus on what's important -- improving the user experience WITHIN the phone.
orb3000 said:
Some discordance seems to be around---
As the line Touch Pro product line is with hardware keyboard, like Rapahel aka touch pro and rhodium aka touch pro 2
So the touch pro 3 should have a keyboard
Anyone have this more clear?
what is shure is that leo is not the touch pro 3
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The problem there is that you are completely inventing the word "Touch". It does not appear at all on the device! This is "Pro.Three" not "Touch Pro 3". Quite different.
Of course, it may not appear anywhere under the Pro.Three branding, and this may have even just been a prototype naming not for public release, and it will be HD2 everywhere.
Stop inventing the word "Touch"! Why are so many people doing this? I may as wonder why they are calling it the "Super Gopher Molester Pro 3" when it doesn't molest gophers! That's because "Supoer Gopher Molester" isn't in the name!
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I'm actually glad that HTC doesnt bother themselves with 1080p video and TV-out functions and actually focus on what's important -- improving the user experience WITHIN the phone.
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I'd quite like to see a phone with HDMI output so you can use it as a pocketsized media PC. Actually a phone with a built-in high-definition projector would be quite neat too. (They do make projector phones, but not in HD as far as I know).
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The Leo is actually HD2 instead of Touch Pro 3. I am very sure that a version with the slide out keyboard will follow very soon aka TP3 with the exact same spec as HD2.
For me, I will get the HD2 for the uprated hardware and capacitive touch screen and then change to TP3 when it launches in the near future (I hope).
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Thanks for the aclaration, I guess I´m going to wait till a harware keyboard comes out as is a must for me
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The problem there is that you are completely inventing the word "Touch". It does not appear at all on the device! This is "Pro.Three" not "Touch Pro 3". Quite different.
Of course, it may not appear anywhere under the Pro.Three branding, and this may have even just been a prototype naming not for public release, and it will be HD2 everywhere.
Stop inventing the word "Touch"! Why are so many people doing this? I may as wonder why they are calling it the "Super Gopher Molester Pro 3" when it doesn't molest gophers! That's because "Supoer Gopher Molester" isn't in the name!
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You´re right is not touch, but hey relax!
I was just searching about all this as I was not sure...
Peace,
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I may as wonder why they are calling it the "Super Gopher Molester Pro 3" when it doesn't molest gophers! That's because "Super Gopher Molester" isn't in the name!
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I'd buy that. Bill Murray should have had one, that gopher wouldn't have caused him so much trouble.
balf said:
I'd buy that. Bill Murray should have had one, that gopher wouldn't have caused him so much trouble.
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I'm not an advocate for man+gopher relationships, but I'd love to see that movie (FOR COMEDIC REASONS ONLY...I SWEAR!).
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You´re right is not touch, but hey relax!
I was just searching about all this as I was not sure...
Peace,
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Nothing against you, you're just the first one at hand to rant at!
It's just annoying the number of people that can't read a few simple words in front of their own eyes. Fair enough on a forum, but when you have supposed "news sites" that allegedly specialse in phone info reporting the release of the "Touch Pro 3", it's pretty darn annoying.
for example : http://www.fonearena.com/blog/2009/09/28/htc-leo-touch-pro-3-pics.html
Idiots! This crud is to quality reporting what herpes is to world peace.
Shame your way of thinking is so radical...
I wouldn´t call anyone an idiot
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Leo doesn't cover my list of requirements . I need a 4 inch resistive screen, 1 ghz cpu, slide-out keyboard, quality speakers, WinMo and a d-pad.
Leo will be HD 2, but Leo with a keyboard might get to be TOUCH Pro 3. Anyway, TOUCH Pro 3 will have similar specs, judging by the current HTC policy. I am looking forward to hearing about the TOUCH Pro 3 and replacing my X1 with it. The X2 sucks, TP2 sucks and any device without a keyboard is pathetic as far as I'm concerned. TOUCH Pro 3 might be the one.
P.S. TOUCH, TOUCH, TOUCH, TOUCH, TOUCH, TOUCH...
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How long after the Touch HD launched did the Touch Pro 2 come out?
I think HTC is operating on a roughly annual cycle. The Touch HD2 is due out roughly a year after the original Touch HD. I wouldn't expect to see the successor to the TP2 and TD2 until May 2010.
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In my country, the TP2 came out about 2 - 3 months after the HD.
I would like to think that May 2010 seems to be realistic for TP3... 4.3 inch capacitive, 1ghz snapdragon with slide out keyboard!
Right now I am just waiting to ditch my HERO for the HD2 the moment it comes out
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Leo doesn't cover my list of requirements . I need a 4 inch resistive screen, 1 ghz cpu, slide-out keyboard, quality speakers, WinMo and a d-pad.
Leo will be HD 2, but Leo with a keyboard might get to be TOUCH Pro 3. Anyway, TOUCH Pro 3 will have similar specs, judging by the current HTC policy. I am looking forward to hearing about the TOUCH Pro 3 and replacing my X1 with it. The X2 sucks, TP2 sucks and any device without a keyboard is pathetic as far as I'm concerned. TOUCH Pro 3 might be the one.
P.S. TOUCH, TOUCH, TOUCH, TOUCH, TOUCH, TOUCH...
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completly agree!!