Mobile IP DVR Phone Cam - HTC Tornado

Hello friends. Its been a while I don't start a thread, so here is a concern I have and hope some of you could help with. There is such a thing called DVR (Digital Video Recorder) which a Tornado does by nature of the cam software. There is also an "IP Camera" which transmits live video over internet and can be seen remotely over an internet browser.
I'm into the RC(Remote Control) airplanes and today I was flying over at a beautiful site by the beautiful beaches of Aguadilla, PR. A thought blew up my mind. Would it be possible to make my phone transmit video over GPRS and be seen remotely over an IE Browser?
Just imagine how cool it would be to attach my phone to my RC Airplane, and to be able to share the view with friends over the internet. Whats even more fun would be to be able to leave my PC at home recording (DVR) off the IE IP website where I'll be transmitting.
Well if anyone knows of a program that could do such a thing, or even if it would be possible to do it with the Tornado Cam, please speak up. I have a broken Tornado that I could use for this purpose.
Thanks for your comments!
@ MOD If you feel this should go under hacking and dev please advice and we can move it there later. I'd like to get first feedback from Tornado Users. Thank You.

Have a look at http://livecast.com formally comvu

@Mark
I installed on my TouchPro/Raphael and it works great. Let me know when you do the live cast (add me to your member's list).
Have a good day.

Sounds awesome, I'd like to see the results of that. However, not be a naysayer, but pushing data like that over GPRS? I dunno, even at its fastest with EDGE it can be painfully slow, I would guesstimate that you'd get around 1 frame/second at a low quality at best, I could be wrong though. Never hurts to try!
If you're interesting in FPV (video on flying stuff, etc) check out this project:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=768115
This guy made a cool quadcopter and there's some links around to camera stuff, not really related to phones, but still cool.

I already downloaded and installed livecast. Will test as soon as possible. Video should be fine, I'm thinking of at least 5 FPS Edge is pretty fast down here. I just need to turn off audio. Live cast transmits both Video and audio. and I only care for video at the moment. But, chances are I'll buy a MiniSpy Cam that has been adapted for RC flying. Only thing I don't like so far is the range which the highest I've found so far is 300m. I usually go around 5-600m. So that's my hold on that option. Still thinking of it.

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[Update] Watch MORE live TV on HD2 (10/15/2010)

LIVE TV ON YOUR PHONE​
I wrote this guide along time ago in other xda-developers thread, this is the updated version.
There are several ways for watching live TV on your phone, I don't watch live TV on my phone, hope you find it useful though.
(UPDATE 10/15/2010)
TV SERIES ON DEMAND ARE AVAILABLE HERE: http://x.vu/179650
(UPDATE 7/14/2010)
First -MobiTV
After testing it out it is one of the best apps for watching TV on your phone, there are 2 versions, one included on the USA HD2 and the version found on the mobitv website.
Back in early 2009 I manage to hack the 1 day free trail version, it was after they release a patched version and removing the .vars wouldnt work anymore however I never notify mobitv about it, I never post my findings online because I didn't wanna get sued, however the hack doesn't work anymore.
Second -Mobile free TV http://www.mobilefree.tv
Never tested this one out.
Third -Skyfire http://www.skyfire.com/
Skyfire is one of the best ways to watch live tv.
Some useful links to use with skyfire are:
http://www.myfreetvsite.com
http://wwitv.com
http://www.mobilefree.tv
If you know more links please post your comments.
Fourth -SPB Online or SPB TV http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/pocketpc-software/tv/
One amazing application with poor channel lineup, the programing suck (at least for me) thats all im going to say.
(update)
as off June 8th 2010 SPB TV is NOW FREE
Fifth -HandiTV http://classic.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=22918
I used this app once, didn't really like it.
Sixth -artn3r’s mobile tv http://winmo.artn3r.com/?p=12#more-12
In its early stages didn't got may attention because it had channels in German and some other language however it may be useful to you.
"This is my first windows mobile application, it’s a player for online
streaming content like movies or radio. I started this app because
everytime I wanted to view the tv news i had to open the opera
browser and navigate to the specific website. With this application,
only 3 taps are needed to watch your favourite tv or radio show!"
Seventh -Online TVx http://www.onlinetvx.com/
800+ channels this app will keep you entertained for hours, one of the features that many of you will quickly notice and will definitely like is that it has ADULT channels such as Playboy.
"Online TVx is one of the most popular and downloadable online TV programs in the Internet. This complete professional program gives you an instant access to more than 1000 TV channels categorized by genres and countries."
MORE LIVE TV LINKS CAN BE FOUND IN THIS THREAD HERE (which is the actual FULL guide)
Post your comments, links and programs you use.
wow cool thanks for this.
Thank you very much
thanks alot
downloading mobitv now if u know an hacker dont post here but email me xD
Nice one, thanks very much will test it tomorrow..
Too bad none of those "TV" apps show anything worth watching. Wish cable TV would start streaming even if for a fee. At least that way someone could watch something worth watching.
I still think ORB is really your best bet right now. You have to have a PC at home with a TV tuner - but it works quite well.
www.orb.com
...its freeware - and what you end up with is you can stream any TV channel you can get on your home cableTV or satalite to your PPC or any other computer. Really kinda cool.
Phenomenon said:
Too bad none of those "TV" apps show anything worth watching. Wish cable TV would start streaming even if for a fee. At least that way someone could watch something worth watching.
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SEE THAT'S WHY I AM CURRENTLY WORKING ON THAT, sooooo many TV apps and there is never nothing worth watching, if you click on the link at the bottom of first post there is where I will post some REAL TV programing for manila TV.
TechnoHippie said:
I still think ORB is really your best bet right now. You have to have a PC at home with a TV tuner - but it works quite well.
www.orb.com
...its freeware - and what you end up with is you can stream any TV channel you can get on your home cableTV or satalite to your PPC or any other computer. Really kinda cool.
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its an option HOWEVER having the need of a pc and a TV tuner its a major disadvantage for many people.
Veldmuus said:
thanks alot
downloading mobitv now if u know an hacker dont post here but email me xD
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Actually I stop working on hacking mobiTV along time ago since I don't watch TV and as soon as some one hacks it and makes a post online the guys over at mobiTV are on your case in no time trying to sue you.
i have SPB TV on my HD2, if i click on a channel it says Opening.. goes into landscape and goes back with the headin Opening and it stays there.
Works fine on my HD2
but Ihave a strong signal and get pretty fast download speeds (1.5 mps). Works even better on wi-fi speeds of 3.5+. A couple of stations seem to load the buffer and play then load and play again no matte what the signal and download speed.
SkitzoDelic said:
i have SPB TV on my HD2, if i click on a channel it says Opening.. goes into landscape and goes back with the headin Opening and it stays there.
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try reinstalling the app
I think Online TVx shoud be in the fist place .
Initial version of the program:
http://www.xda-developers.com/windows-mobile/watch-tv-on-your-winmo-device-with-online-tvx/
Greatly improved version 2: !!!
http://www.xda-developers.com/windows-mobile/online-tvx-gets-updated-to-version-2/
And finally a BIG DISCOUNT - 50% for XDA members:
https://secure.avangate.com/order/cart.php?PRODS=3769198&QTY=1&COUPON=FORXDA

Netflix subscribers in Puerto Rico & US territories

Not sure if this is the best place to post this, but it seemed to be the most appropriate... AFAIK Netflix streaming has never worked on a broadband connection on the island because they're identified as foreign or outside of the continental US or whatever. However, it seems that for Netflix's purpose, a Sprint connection from PR still looks like any other connection from within the US; probably because of the way it's routed. It's kinda odd considering other services like Google Voice can still make the distinction, but I'm sure there's dozens of way to do this filtering (for instance, Tivo also thinks my DVR is in the US if I tether it to my phone).
So what good is any of this knowledge? Well, the Netflix app will stream to your phone just fine over 3G; even tho it'll flash a region warning on wifi. I hear your now tho, what's the point of that? 3G streaming looks pretty bad, specially in areas with low signal where you're lucky to get 400 kbps...
Well, I'm not done, otherwise this post would be rather worthless wouldn't it? Open that oh-so-easily fooled Netflix app (seriously, it took them this long to release an app that merely discriminates amongst phones by build.prop?), start streaming over 3G, turn on Wifi, enjoy the improved quality as the phone starts to stream over Wifi without any location checks. That's all there is to it! I was able to pause and resume after switching to Wifi with no issues. I imagine it might get fixed eventually, or not, but for now it works.
I haven't tested to see if their site is just as easily fooled by a computer tethered to my phone, but since you can't handoff between different connections there quite as smoothly I guess it's kinda moot... I haven't been a Netflix subscriber for very long, just started testing it out. Frankly I'm kinda disappointed in their online catalog of movies and shows, over half the stuff I first searched for wasn't available (Mad Men, How I Met Your Mother, several movies, etc.).
Netflix on my Tivo also works if I tether it to my phone but that's a hassle (on the Tivo's end) and again, Sprint 3G really isn't fast enough for smooth playback, at least where I live (near Buchanan base). Can't wait until 4G is deployed here...
BTW Has anyone tested how Netflix app playback looks on a TV if you output it over HDMI with Full HDMI? I'll probably give it a shot later. Altho I might just drop Netflix and go back to renting off Redbox to be honest.
Workaround for Netflix block
I live in the USVI and we too are blocked from using Netflix. I posted a few articles on my blog though that explains how I've worked around this block:
How to use Netflix streaming, Amazon Instant Video and MP3 from outside the US
Installing DD-WRT mega Build on a Linksys E3000 Router to Run with HMA Pro! VPN Services
I hope these help! I've been happily streaming for quite a while now, it's great.
Sean
i would love using hdmi out with netflix!
Well I am from the south of the island and I can tell you with the latest release of it that pretty much shut down the Wifi idea tried it and did not stream at all but for those on the island I recommend an app called sensorly you can get it on the regular market it shows you where you get your signal on a map like Google maps it gives you all the signal ranges and ladies and gents they just recently started to test 4G in two areas only San Juan and ponce and to tell you that the app worked flawlessly is an understatement cause i drove from arroyo to ponce and once I reached the sprint store there I was able to get 4G when I walked into the store asked one of the CS reps and he said they are in the testing faze and once that is done they will do a roll-out with commercials and advertisements so good news for all us island folk so with netflix to be continued...
The netflix app hasn't been updated since I posted this, it should still work... You have to switch from 3G to Wifi once you're already streaming something.

[Q] Any programs for Android that do Screencasting?

Have a few questions about Screencasting, and I really couldn't find a definitive answer, so I knew this was the best place to ask...
I review Android Games & Apps for a site, and normally when I need a video I'll just youtube link it. I try to find Indie games, and review things a lot of folks might miss and unfortunately you can't always find a video available.
I know there's a modded version of Shootme! floating around, and it worked well but the quality wasn't really that great for some games I tried it on another big drawback was the lack of sound. Are there any other programs to try, or another way to go about it? Anything that does sound out there?
I've seen some very professional looking videos with audio and flawless video playback by some of the big dev companies so I know it can be done, just not sure how to do it. I know I could record the gameplay with a video camera like a lot of people do, but I'd prefer to keep my fingers out of the picture and literally just do a screencast with audio.
It might not be feasible, but I thought I would ask as it's been bugging me for awhile now. Any suggestions would be appreciated, thanks in advance!
CoolhandLocke said:
I've seen some very professional looking videos with audio and flawless video playback by some of the big dev companies so I know it can be done, just not sure how to do it. I know I could record the gameplay with a video camera like a lot of people do, but I'd prefer to keep my fingers out of the picture and literally just do a screencast with audio.
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AFAIK: for anything above 10 fps framerate, you probably need another solution like a video (HD) capture card + an Android device with (m)HDMI-out.

How do I mirror video and audio from Android to a PC/TV?

What I'm looking to do with my SGS3 is WIRELESSLY mirror the audio, and video of my phone to a HTPC/Mac. Apple via "Airplay"allows for this in iOS and it works BEAUTIFULLY using a client on the pc/mac like AirServer, or Reflection. I find it difficult to believe that this is not available on an Android platform. The problem is, searching for such an app almost always results in finding remote desktop apps n such. Watch a video using Airserver or Reflection, and you'll see what I'm looking to do. I've seen media player apps that'll send videos/audio, but not by mirroring the actual Android device. I know I've gotta be missing this somewhere.
There's an app called MirrorOp Sender that sends the video to a connected receiver/client, but it's VERY slow, and does not support the transmission of audio. MirrorOP Sender also requires the device to be rooted. Not like that's a huge deal to me, but perhaps to someone else.
Thanks in advance!
__
Xda tv did a review of an app that does this. Look on their youtube channel. To late for me to find it. I'm sleepy.
Sent from my SCH-I535 using xda premium
john21511 said:
Xda tv did a review of an app that does this. Look on their youtube channel. To late for me to find it. I'm sleepy.
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Thanks Here's the video I think you might have been talking about. I was unawar that TeamViewer allowed for the control of a phone FROM a pc. I thought it was only to control a PC FROM a phone. Thanks! But it should be known, though this is a seriously cool option. Audio still does not transfer over the wifi, only two-way video communications.
And so the hunt continues for something like AirServer and Reflection on Android. Don't necessarily nee to control it from a pc/mac, but would really like a wireless audio/video presentation platform for Android.
Bringing this post back to life in hope someone has a new idea. Can someone please explain to me why the ability to mirror audio and video from Android to a PC/Mac isn't available yet? Thanks
jpmcnown said:
Bringing this post back to life in hope someone has a new idea. Can someone please explain to me why the ability to mirror audio and video from Android to a PC/Mac isn't available yet? Thanks
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I am looking for the same, Although the other way. I think there are bunch of apps to mirror your Display but audio is not possible due to some limitations in Android framework.
NHS2008 said:
I am looking for the same, Although the other way. I think there are bunch of apps to mirror your Display but audio is not possible due to some limitations in Android framework.
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I too was looking for an app like this and honestly sat there and started to wonder why i actually needed it.. can you explain a senario where this make sense and why an app that beams audio/videois not a good enough solution. hell i am with you on having more options including a featuer like airplay mirror, but maybe untill such application exists i can suggest good enough work arounds because like you i spent MANY MANY hours trying to figure out how do do this mirror thing with no dice. but i did find nice workarounds..
Holy hell, finally I think we might have a solution. I haven't tried it yet, but clearly, we aren't the only ones in need of this feature.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/03/29/new-app-bbqscreen-mirrors-your-display-on-a-computer-at-25fps-root-only/
jpmcnown said:
Holy hell, finally I think we might have a solution. I haven't tried it yet, but clearly, we aren't the only ones in need of this feature.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/03/29/new-app-bbqscreen-mirrors-your-display-on-a-computer-at-25fps-root-only/
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Looks promising. SplashTop 2 works other way round but is too damn pricey.
Just reviving this thread because I am also looking for the same thing. That app posted in the last post, BQScreen, as far as I know doesn't differ from the one the OP stated. Both apps don't transmit any audio, they just mirror the screen. MirrorOp is kinda cool because you can control it both ways, you can also use your mouse to click buttons on your computer to control your phone. Keyboard also works so you can reply to all your whatsapp msgs from your computer but at the end of the day it doesnt transmit any audio.
I use a galaxy note 2 and have never had the need to do this before because both the tvs in my house that get the most use happen to have a computer in the same room and I have them set up to just send the computer's screen to the tv screen and use unified remote/xbmc remote to do whatever I want, thus ending the need for allshare cast/apple tv devices which in my opinion offer an inferior experience than a full fledged HTPC.
The problem is that I have a tv in a room in my house that is getting more and more use lately and it doesn't have any way of showing netflix or youtube or all the files I have in my media server, etc. Basicaly, no access to the internet and I bought the tv right before all the smartv craze started. I am now on the search of a way to mirror my phone's screen (or anyones) to that tv in order to give that tv some added value. Of course I would still need to have some kind of reciever in that tv to get it to work so I really don't know what I am searching for. In the end I will probably end up purchasing an allcast dongle and use it specificaly for that tv, that way all tv's in my house would have access to all the media in my house and the internet but if anyone here has another option, I am all ears.
I have google tv and youtube connects nicely, i'm not sure if that's what your looking for though. I just connect and it plays the video on my tv.
Reviving this i case the 4.3 framework has changed to allow this functionality. If someone with knowledge of such things can chime in that would be great!
Bumping this topic, years have gone by and still no solution?
mirror from koush is the closest thing ...
it's meant for airplay so you can just install airserver on your pc
Chromecast
Google Chromevast
Looking for the solution. AirServer works on Windows and promises Google Cast support but it looks like it only casts audio from Chrome desktop tab. Google Play Music app discovers the chromecast device but music doesn't start

Your personal downsides of the SurfaceRT?

Hi guys,
I guess we all spent quite I time now playing with our Surfaces, so I wonder what the things are that bother you the most right now?
For me personally it comes down to two main things: Performance and a real video player
Performancewise I think the Surface has really good hardware, but either WinRT or the App optimization clearly lacks so far, as there are quite a few times when I'm thinking: Come on, that's all you got?! And I'm not even thinking UI performance or Desktop performance, as I'm quite happy with that, Metro's probably not iOS fluent, but it's definitely fluent enough, and also the occasional little lag when opening Apps is fine for me.
But the in-App performance is simply too bad. No matter if it's games (I guess I didn't find a single game with at least modest graphics which was really fluent) or the video player (come on, not being able to play a single SD .avi fluently?!).
And that already brings me to my secong point: Video Player. To put it quite simple, either Microsoft will come up with a better looking, better performing player that supports all the usual types of files (no .mkv?!), or a third party player will do the job. Or I'm going to send it back, as that's simply a no go for a tab.
In then meantime I'm halfway between amazed and frustrated what the Surface can and can't do
I could do with a video player that will play dvd ts format as I have loads on my nas, if anyone knows one already would be good to know i loved media centre would be great to get something like that.
I found pinball being open even in background creates a lag issue so i always have to shut it down fully, i wander if other apps are also having this effect? Could explain lag issues as once closed mine is back to full no lag speed. It has same effect if its only thing open or there is a load.
lumpaywk said:
I could do with a video player that will play dvd ts format as I have loads on my nas, if anyone knows one already would be good to know i loved media centre would be great to get something like that.
I found pinball being open even in background creates a lag issue so i always have to shut it down fully, i wander if other apps are also having this effect? Could explain lag issues as once closed mine is back to full no lag speed. It has same effect if its only thing open or there is a load.
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Thats the difference between RAM management in Windows compared to Android
-Zeppelin- said:
Hi guys,
I guess we all spent quite I time now playing with our Surfaces, so I wonder what the things are that bother you the most right now?
For me personally it comes down to two main things: Performance and a real video player
Performancewise I think the Surface has really good hardware, but either WinRT or the App optimization clearly lacks so far, as there are quite a few times when I'm thinking: Come on, that's all you got?! And I'm not even thinking UI performance or Desktop performance, as I'm quite happy with that, Metro's probably not iOS fluent, but it's definitely fluent enough, and also the occasional little lag when opening Apps is fine for me.
But the in-App performance is simply too bad. No matter if it's games (I guess I didn't find a single game with at least modest graphics which was really fluent) or the video player (come on, not being able to play a single SD .avi fluently?!).
And that already brings me to my secong point: Video Player. To put it quite simple, either Microsoft will come up with a better looking, better performing player that supports all the usual types of files (no .mkv?!), or a third party player will do the job. Or I'm going to send it back, as that's simply a no go for a tab.
In then meantime I'm halfway between amazed and frustrated what the Surface can and can't do
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I am able to play 720p xvid/avi ripped from bluray with no problem. What type of avi are you playing?
Here is my list of complaints:
- No LTE
- Lack of apps
- Random hang ups or general app slowness and/or crashing (not a major problem, and will hopefully be resolved through OS and app updates)
- My iPad now is boring to use
I try to play xvid avis which are way more fluent on my notebook... But also other avis are more fluent on the notebook...
Gesendet von meinem LG-P990 mit Tapatalk 2
My negatives:
Very low volume
Quite heavy
No GPS
Occasionally touch pin keyboard does not show on wake up despite folded back. Need to use touch cover.
Occasional brief lags
tboy2000 said:
My negatives:
Very low volume
Quite heavy
Occasional brief lags
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There is a fix for the low volume. Check the tips and tricks thread.
I like the weight, right now the only downside I have is lack of VPN connectivity.
I'd like to see general performance enhancements but I believe those will come.
mk1151 said:
There is a fix for the low volume. Check the tips and tricks thread.
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I know. I am the one who started the tips thread ? Still no loud enough though.
tboy2000 said:
My negatives:
Very low volume
Quite heavy
No GPS
Occasionally touch pin keyboard does not show on wake up despite folded back. Need to use touch cover.
Occasional brief lags
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I think it's heavy as well...1/4 lb shaved off would be great, but it is the same weight as an iPad for those wondering.
My main complaint is the lack of POP3 email capability. I bought it mainly for work and my work email is a POP3, so this is a thing that will make me return it, even that I really love it far.
PRTEQ said:
My main complaint is the lack of POP3 email capability. I bought it mainly for work and my work email is a POP3, so this is a thing that will make me return it, even that I really love it far.
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While somewhat convoluted, a work around is to send your work email to something like gmail which does support POP3, then link your gmail to the e-mail app on the surface.
To the OP, no tablet that I'm aware of supports MKV playback with first party video players. That is something the app store will take care of in time.
Anyways, no real complaints on my end, just some minor issues like the trackpad being a bit twitchy for my taste. Obviously the app store is a weak point, but that will get better with time and I bought the Surface understanding that.
Xda forum makes my Surface unresponsive if I'm using IE MetroStyle. If I switch to the full version everything works more or less fine.
thanks for posting these! I'm considering buying a surface and need to know these things.
I found in another thread that adding ad blockers lists in the Settings of IE fixes my performance issues when I'm using XDA, I tested and it works.
hoodoomagic said:
To the OP, no tablet that I'm aware of supports MKV playback with first party video players. That is something the app store will take care of in time.
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O/T but the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 does support MKV playback on the stock video player.
Regards,
Dave
I don't know if this is also a wnrt app but a video app that might help in the app store is called multimedia8 give that a try they market it as being a multimedia playing app
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kuwari316 said:
I don't know if this is also a wnrt app but a video app that might help in the app store is called multimedia8 give that a try they market it as being a multimedia playing app
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It is a Windows RT app (which is different from a WinRT app- all apps are WinRT apps), however it still only plays the same files that the built-in player can. It's just a wrapper for that.
One of the primary reasons for getting a Surface for me was consuming video content. So far;
- Sky Go in the UK website uses Silverlight and there's no Silverlight support
- UK Football League websites 'Player' video services use Flash and they're not on Microsoft's whitelist (thank the lord for XDA Devs workaround for that one)
- No support for Windows 7 Media Center .wtv Recorded TV files, of which I have tons
Add on top of this buggy built in apps like People, Music & Video. There's enough about Surface that I still love it, and I know apps and updates will eventually resolve these issues but it's frustrating none the less.
My Surface creaks. Around the bezel at various spots near the edge of the tablet, if I press the bezel it goes in slightly as if there is a gap behind it or as if it hasn't been glued down properly. I tried this all around the tablet. I tried this on my friend's Surface last night but her screen is fine. So I am returning my Surface ? Does your creak?
I am missing a good forum to discuss issues people are having with their surface devices. I am totally happy with mine, but still misisng sume things. Where can I have useful discussions about this ?
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Sorry for being to quick, I wanted to add some of my probs:
Pop 3 account. I already have read a lot of disussions on this and found some tips, but my provider only supports POP3
Synching my Windows Phon 7.5 (simply not working)
Locking the device when I close the lid, meaning if I close the cover (touch or type) I want the device to be locked
Support for older micro SD Cards. I cant my SD cards to work only the new SDHCX cards work
Does anyone know a good method to search the AppStore ? I realized that I am getting different results if I do a "general" search in the store or If I look for an app in the specific section. This is getting me mad.
When will MSFT release the final version of its Office 2013 products to the Surface users ? I already have it on my PC but the Surface still has a preview of Office 2013

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