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We were lucky.
Google's security measures were pathetic and still are, but now, it has come to their attention that the security measures pose more of a problem than before. Google is attempted to block ADP users from having access to the market due to their potential to download any app for free.
Now, it has come to their attention that RC33 root users have the same ability. Security is now a top priority when it comes to google. They already have cupcake ready to go, that's done.
Google's probably realized by now that their security measures are simply pathetic. We're going to have to step up our game as they step up theirs.
What's the error you're getting? I'm getting that to visit checkout.google.com to fix the problem.
EDIT: That only happens with one app... ? Umm, do you have proof that they are blocking ADP users?
you're lucky. they probably filter ip's too. i can't even list paid apps.. (not from US)
Honestly how hard could it be to encrypt an app and get a certificate update for the premium apps you purchased to decrypt them every time your phone syncs with Google?
Root is google's problem right now.
No matter what they do with the premium apps, they can be cracked by root users.
Buy the app, pull the .zip, crack it. Refund the app. Throw it back in the phone and install.
End of story.
Google needs to eliminate root. We have the advantage of course.
We already have root, and we are hacking which is much easier than defending.
Google knows this, which is apparent from their android forums.
It's easier for google to tie the app to user's gmail account. So the app will only run if it's on a "I purcheased this" list... harder to crack if they add a file signature on top of that.
P.S.:
If google want's to hire me they know where to find me.. hehehe.
Can you elaborate or provide any info on what you are talkinng about before I close this thread?
I have an adp and rc33 phone, neither are having issues with the market.
neoobs said:
Can you elaborate or provide any info on what you are talkinng about before I close this thread?
I have an adp and rc33 phone, neither are having issues with the market.
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i could say what to do but hmm ;o( dont wanna argue with no one
It's not paid apps. ADPs can't see protected apps on the market.
like which apps ? yes i know "protected" but wich one is protected so i can go and test cuz i was in the market few mins ago had no issues x_x
Seems to be more of a bug in the protection option rather than some thing google's doing to ban the sales of apps to adp customers.. there's a few related posts on the google groups site..
Nitro212 said:
like which apps ? yes i know "protected" but wich one is protected so i can go and test cuz i was in the market few mins ago had no issues x_x
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Bettercut is a popular protected app. Can you see it? (if you have a rooted rc33 and you're in the US you should see it)
Its Google's own fault that we all have root.....they made one mistake...then we hacked it and exploited it to a extreme extent.
Rooted phones only take updates signed with test keys right...
So couldn't Google sign one of there O.T.A. updates with test keys and get rid of out root?
Well, they could but then how would they explain it to users without rooted phones who's phones were keep on rebooting and failing to install the test-key signed updates due to the method that Google can use to force the OTA updates?
And what about the users with ADP's? I'm pretty sure that Google wouldn't want to piss them off by forcing them to install a root-less regular update.
Ehhh Yea That Makes It Very Unlikely That Google Will Ever Do It ....But If They Ever Decide That Root Is A Serous Problem Then Its A Possibility
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Bettercut is a popular protected app. Can you see it? (if you have a rooted rc33 and you're in the US you should see it)
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yeah i see it, yes i have rooted rc33 and im in the us
there is no such thing as a crack-proof app. Every app can be cracked if you have the right skills. As soon as paid apps get going there will be loads of places online offering app downloads, just wait and see.
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Security is now a top priority when it comes to google. They already have cupcake ready to go, that's done.
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do you have some sort of incredible inside information that no one else knows about?
how do you know 'cupcake' is done and ready to go? last i heard they were no where near completion.
Most of the paid apps are a joke anyways. I bet I could make a program called Dont buy this app! and sell it for a buck and still sell a **** ton of them.
Please, I think your being a bit over dramatic here, Google can't take actions too far because it would really kill the whole point of android being an open source, for developers phone.
While sure they can always up the security, but theres always going to be a way inside the program unless they wanted to lock down making and installing new apps. If they wanted that they wouldn't add an option to install thirdy party apps.
Thread is closed until further info.
This looks to be a problem with developers and a feature they are trying to implement but failing. If you have an issue please contact the developer of the app.
Hello,
I'm not a developer, so not really looking to get full root access, but I'd like to get JF for the auto-rotate, tether, and multi-touch.
My confusion is, do I get the ADP 1.1, the RC33, or both? What is the ADP 1.1 for?
My phone is for the US. It's currently on regular RC33 and the firmware is 1.1.
cigar3tte said:
Hello,
I'm not a developer, so not really looking to get full root access, but I'd like to get JF for the auto-rotate, tether, and multi-touch.
My confusion is, do I get the ADP 1.1, the RC33, or both? What is the ADP 1.1 for?
My phone is for the US. It's currently on regular RC33 and the firmware is 1.1.
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Hello,
I think you better goggle more better or study more cause you ask if you could use RC33 and ADP or both?
If you going to ask a question like that, I think you should sell me your g1 or don't mod it!
There should be a FAQ sticky post explaining all the basics, there's too much technical info and i know beginners can have it difficult to solve very simple but important questions...
jf adp 1.1 is pretty much the same as jf rc33 but without MyFaves, without IM (only access to google's IM) and no Amazon Mp3. So, adp1.1 get a little more space somewhere..
So, choose one, read the forum and install it. I heard somewhere ADP users CAN NOT download protected / paid apps? i never could because i am from spain and never could.. so be carefull with that.
And you will have root too with adp or rc33, but apps will require your permission if they want to use root so you are safe. eg: tether will request root to work.
I recommend you to install lucidrem's firmware + apps on sd card, its really great to have 400 MB free for apps and never see that aannoying message telling you "low space".
And install the Radio update too. It improves your battery duration.
greetings
Meh, not a lot of people want to mod their phone for root access directly, but for something that only requires root access... Like WiFi tethering, in this case...
cigar3tte, I'd strongly suggest you do a bit more research on-line, as you can mess up your phone (though it'll be repairable most likely) if you don't do it properly, but I'll give you a push in the right direction. You want the RC33 version of JF's builds.
Stay away from the ADP builds unless you have a specific reason to use them, and know what they are, what they do, and why you need them.
There's a few guides on how to root your phone, make sure you follow them all (you'll need to downgrade to RC 29, etc). Good luck.
unrafa said:
There should be a FAQ sticky post explaining all the basics, there's too much technical info and i know beginners can have it difficult to solve very simple but important questions...
jf adp 1.1 is pretty much the same as jf rc43 but without MyFaves, without IM (only access to google's IM) and no Amazon Mp3. So, adp1.1 get a little more space somewhere..
So, choose one, read the forum and install it. I heard somewhere ADP users CAN NOT download protected / paid apps? i never could because i am from spain and never could.. so be carefull with that.
greetings
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Not entirely, but mostly accurate... ADP1.1 JF builds do include the Amazon marketplace (I know because I remove it every time I reflash, stupid thing). Also, the ADP1.1 partitions are slightly different, so that more space thing isn't necessarily true.
What you said about the protected applications in the marketplace is spot on. Not all paid apps are protected, though, and we can buy paid, unprotected apps just fine. On the flip side, we can't even download free, protected apps. But either way, there's a LOT of marketplace apps, both free and paid, that are listed as protected that ADP image users can not see.
Thanks for all the replies (yes, even the first one).
I went with RC33, and successfully flashed JF 1.42.
Auto-rotate and multi-touch are working.
Can the RC33 JF build see copy-protected apps in the market place? I *think* it can, but I'm not 100% sure...
If it can, has anybody given any thought to running RC33 JF to legally buy and install copy-protected apps, extract them (since it's still rooted) to the sdcard, reflash ADP1.1, and install the extracted apps? I'd hardly consider it piracy by any means since I'm paying for the apps, and it'd give me BetterCut, some of the games, etc, on an ADP1.1 build... I know they wouldn't get updates from the marketplace with out the process being repeated, but, an initial version just might be worth the hassle... especially since all of the good free apps seem to be converting to "lite" versions of their former selves, with the new "paid" versions being the only ones to retain all the features of the original...
Im not sure if what i think is true but i thought that the app were linked to your gmail account so that if you switch phones or firmware you should be able to still download the program but im not sure someone correct me if im wrong
xile6 said:
Im not sure if what i think is true but i thought that the app were linked to your gmail account so that if you switch phones or firmware you should be able to still download the program but im not sure someone correct me if im wrong
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It is, but only if the marketplace can see it...
No offense but, you shouldn't be asking this if you're using adp. You should already know how and I doubt anyone will post the directions since it can be used to pirate/steal apps.
yes that would work (i have tried it myself) but if you want protected apps that bad you should just switch to rc33 and stay with it. there arent any real advantages to adp
Are we talking about rooted RC33 or non-rooted RC33? I tried to flash my phone to rooted RC33 to see if I can buy protected apps but I didn't see any just like when I'm on ADP.
monkey804 said:
Are we talking about rooted RC33 or non-rooted RC33? I tried to flash my phone to rooted RC33 to see if I can buy protected apps but I didn't see any just like when I'm on ADP.
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Can anyone confirm that as well? A lot of apps have disappeared for me with ADP1.1 and I'm considering redoing the phone to a rooted RC33. Is the rooted RC33 also detected and blocked from seeing these apps?
KyleK29 said:
Is the rooted RC33 also detected and blocked from seeing these apps?
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No but it does take time. I switched to RC33 for this reason alone and it took nearly a week for the Market to see I was no longer on ADP.
maxdamage2122 said:
yes that would work (i have tried it myself) but if you want protected apps that bad you should just switch to rc33 and stay with it. there arent any real advantages to adp
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i thought the whole thing with the DevPhone release was an unlocked (root'd) version to develop apps etc .. so with JFs RC33 we HAVE the access to do anything we want and therefore do not really need ADP
it seems as tho for 98% of the population we don't have a real need for the DevPhone side of the G1
I never had paid-for-apps removed from my purchase ability when using ADP. *shrug*
So in a rooted 33, I could still see the same pay-for-use apps. With that being said...I don't know if there are any issues with paying for the apps, backing them up, and then using them on the same phone with ADP. You aren't stealing or sharing as you are still using it on the same ONE physical phone you purchased them on. Of course, do make sure there are no EULA/TOS agreements you have to "sign" or have "signed" stating that you will not do this...
i've put rc33 on my dev phone, and paid apps started showing immediately.
I have a rooted UK G1 with RC9 in Denmark. Had it for about a week now, no paid apps yet :-(
Folks,
Im using Lucid's ADP1.1 and I can buy apps off the market... never had an issue...
DarkFoxDK said:
I have a rooted UK G1 with RC9 in Denmark. Had it for about a week now, no paid apps yet :-(
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I *think* you need to be running both a non ADP image AND use a SIM card from one of the Android Market enabled countries (US/UK). RC33/RC9 won't be enough as long as your SIM is a Danish one.
I might be wrong, I hope I am, but unfortunately I think this is the way it is.
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I *think* you need to be running both a non ADP image AND use a SIM card from one of the Android Market enabled countries (US/UK). RC33/RC9 won't be enough as long as your SIM is a Danish one.
I might be wrong, I hope I am, but unfortunately I think this is the way it is.
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Yeah, that's my theory too, just wanted to check if someone knew some magic trick to make them appear
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I *think* you need to be running both a non ADP image AND use a SIM card from one of the Android Market enabled countries (US/UK). RC33/RC9 won't be enough as long as your SIM is a Danish one.
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I think this is the best theory to explain what happened to me..
biAji said:
I think this is the best theory to explain what happened to me..
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Does anyone not have a sim card - though in a market enabled country?
I've found the following in the source;
Code:
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/**
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* Indicates if Vending Machine requires a SIM to be in the phone to allow a purchase.
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* true = SIM is required
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* false = SIM is not required
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public static final String VENDING_REQUIRE_SIM_FOR_PURCHASE =
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"vending_require_sim_for_purchase";
When I was skimming for some things and found out what database it was located it. If someone would like to try flipping the value from true to false and seeing if it works - I can send you directions.
For those who can still buy apps on ADP1 it's b/c those app aren't protected. You essentially have 4 types of apps:
Free - Protected
Free - Unprotected
Paid - Protected
Paid - Unprotected
ADP can't see anything that's PAID - Protected (not sure about Free - Protected).
For instance ADP can't see aHome (Paid for version) or any of the CapcomMobile games.
This is what I found anyway after moving to ADP today.
Thanks,
Derek
I thought the purpose of a true ADP phone was to DEVELOPe programs, as well as giving root, right out of the box.
Thats why you cant see paid programs?
I thought the purpose of a true ADP phone was to DEVELOPe programs, as well as giving root, right out of the box.
Thats why you cant see paid programs?
Hello Guys !!!!
I have The Magic Rom v 5.0.2H Installed Currently On my ADP1...
I AM IN INDIA
So As we know ADP1 Cannot See Paid Apps....
I Have The Quick Office apk installed Dont know which Version may be the one from Sapphire System Folder by Xmoo or From The Custom Build From Rild or someone with similar User Name Here (There Is A build on XDA)
Today while browsing on my ADP1, Got a Popup Saying Quick Office Update Is Available,
So I clicked on that Notification,
It Took Me to The Android Market,...To the Quick Office Paid App Costing $19~
Also Shows The Buy Option !!!
But When I checked Android Market Again, It Dint Show Any Paid App.... But opening Quick Office Sometime Shows Its App Download Window On The Market...
So I Think Even ADP1 OR Rooted Phones Can See Paid APP By Some Hack....
Please Post Your Ideas...
sangeet.003 said:
Hello Guys !!!!
I have The Magic Rom v 5.0.2H Installed Currently On my ADP1...
I AM IN INDIA
So As we know ADP1 Cannot See Paid Apps....
I Have The Quick Office apk installed Dont know which Version may be the one from Sapphire System Folder by Xmoo or From The Custom Build From Rild or someone with similar User Name Here (There Is A build on XDA)
Today while browsing on my ADP1, Got a Popup Saying Quick Office Update Is Available,
So I clicked on that Notification,
It Took Me to The Android Market,...To the Quick Office Paid App Costing $19~
Also Shows The Buy Option !!!
But When I checked Android Market Again, It Dint Show Any Paid App.... But opening Quick Office Sometime Shows Its App Download Window On The Market...
So I Think Even ADP1 OR Rooted Phones Can See Paid APP By Some Hack....
Please Post Your Ideas...
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Ok, so you have the ADP1 phone, but are running an RC (read - NON-ADP) firmware. And what is shocking is that you think you still have an ADP1 phone. Sure the hardware is the same and you have that fancy back cover, but if the software says RC - that is the only thing the market can see. So that is how your phone is identified as an ADP or "Normal" phone.
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Ok, so you have the ADP1 phone, but are running an RC (read - NON-ADP) firmware. And what is shocking is that you think you still have an ADP1 phone. Sure the hardware is the same and you have that fancy back cover, but if the software says RC - that is the only thing the market can see. So that is how your phone is identified as an ADP or "Normal" phone.
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His signature says he has this phone:
Phone : ADP1
Bootloader : Hard SPL
ROM : JF 1.43 ADP 1.1h
Yes kathi but what he's saying is, the OP is not running ADP firmware so the market has no idea what the back cover looks like or how much he paid for his phone.
As far as the market is concerned, he's running a standard T-Mobile G1 with RC33.
Kinda like if i boot my mac into Vista... I'm not going to get apple updates, i'm going to get windows updates... MS doesn't know (or care at least) that i'm on mac hardware. They just know I'm running windows.
Sorry Man You R Wrong,
If It was so that changing the firmware, would show paid apps,
Even Going to JF RC versions frim ADP versions would fetch me 1 or 2 paid apps...
Changing the firmware dosen't change the whole phone info...
The information Regarding Paid Apps Is stored on a lower level which dosen't change by a change in firmware...
What I Think Is May Be The Change in Radio Can Do This because The Radio Partition is not accessible via the UI
OR
Also The Bootloader Changes May Be Responsible This,
As Magic Rom Has An Option To Change The Radio & Bootloader ... These Require Recovery Mode to Be Flashed & Which Are Not Provided In The Source...
Haykuro,
First Off All, Thanks For Magic ROM,
Need To Ask U Some Questions:
1. Where Did The Radio & Bootloader Come From & Did You Did Any Changes To It ?
(May Be It Was Updated OTA I Know Bootloader Comes OTA)
Ok, well I just looked closer and I see that you are still running an ADP firmware, it's just a JF build.
I assure you though, when I put ADP firmware on my phone, I can't get protected apps.
When I put an RC firmware, I can.
The market blocks apps based soley on your firmware, not the bootloader or radio.
ADP = no protected apps
RC = no restrictions
As far as how you were able to see Quick Office, I have no idea. So on that note, I digress.
skri11a said:
Ok, well I just looked closer and I see that you are still running an ADP firmware, it's just a JF build.
I assure you though, when I put ADP firmware on my phone, I can't get protected apps.
When I put an RC firmware, I can.
The market blocks apps based soley on your firmware, not the bootloader or radio.
ADP = no protected apps
RC = no restrictions
As far as how you were able to see Quick Office, I have no idea. So on that note, I digress.
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No Its Not ADP Firmware The Firmware Itself Means The Build
i.e. Firmware Means:
1.0, 1.1, 1.5,...
& Build Means:
ADP1, ADP1.1, JF ADP1, JF ADP1.1, RC, JF RC, haykuro 5.0.2H, haykuro 5.0.1G, ...
So Firmware & Build Dosent Matter...
Fair enough, you've got me on semantics.
Up until the 1.5 firmwares (Haykuro's builds) started hitting up the market, the standard restrictions were as I stated above.
At this time, as far as I know, nobody knows what's going on with the Market. Since Google released the 1.5 SDK, maybe they're now making changes to the market to either purposely block 1.5 firmware until they're ready or maybe the market is truly being upgraded to only supply the correct version of apps for the correct firmware.
Either way, I stand by my original comment that up until now, ADP builds were not able to see protected apps, while all RC derivatives were. Now that RC33 includes both 1.1 and 1.5 firmware, I guess all bets are off until somebody can verify what's actually going on.
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Yes kathi but what he's saying is, the OP is not running ADP firmware so the market has no idea what the back cover looks like or how much he paid for his phone.
As far as the market is concerned, he's running a standard T-Mobile G1 with RC33.
Kinda like if i boot my mac into Vista... I'm not going to get apple updates, i'm going to get windows updates... MS doesn't know (or care at least) that i'm on mac hardware. They just know I'm running windows.
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Oh, you are right. I looked back and saw his signature. I should have read his post over again and seen that he was using Haykuro's build.
I'm slapping myself in the side of my head!
edit: I went from the same JF version Sangreet had to the same Haykuro version he has now, and can also see protected apps. It's because Haykuro added the code to make the market think we are on RC33. As of last night, the G builds couldn't download on the market, but the H builds could. (I just got on here a few minutes ago, so I don't know if this has changed).
kathi17 said:
Oh, you are right. I looked back and saw his signature. I should have read his post over again and seen that he was using Haykuro's build.
I'm slapping myself in the side of my head!
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Yeah, I'm having a hard time reading this morning too.
I saw "His Stuffs" and assumed the theme he created was the build he was running. I didn't see Haykuro's build either.
I'll just back away slowly and go back to nursing my hangover.
I still stand behind my basic point though
Sorry I updated my Sig now,
Skri11a, you got me what I was saying, great thinking may b what u said
But what I think is if its so, all paid apps would be visable,
Lets see what surprise Google has for us.
sangeet.003 said:
Sorry I updated my Sig now,
Skri11a, you got me what I was saying, great thinking may b what u said
But what I think is if its so, all paid apps would be visable,
Lets see what surprise Google has for us.
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i already read somewhere that they lifted the ban on paid apps partially .. something about paid apps that don't encrypt or something or other .. i don't recall the exact wording the press used but some apps have been made visible to ADP for at least a month or so
Hope that's true, and ado. Users see paid apps atleast on official ROMs
So, from reading, I'm unsure if the Haykuro ADP cupcake build allows paid apps from the market or not. I assume it doesn't, since previously google didn't allow paid apps on dev builds, but there doesn't seem to be anything conclusive posted one way or the other (or my seach-fu fails). Could someone running Haykuro's cupcake ADP confirm? Thanks!
I don't buy apps, (Haven't found one worth paying ATM) but I CAN see them and I'm running ADP1.5h. Everything seems pretty good, but I'm still gonna switch to JF's version the moment it's available.
How about downloading something that is free but protected, like Pacman or Decibel? Can you install & launch them?
Just to clarify, these two apps are just examples of protected & free applications, they reside in the app-private directory - however they are not priced.
All versions of ADP since 1.1 have ALWAYS ALLOWED PAID APPS without exception. ADP does not allow PROTECTED apps, regardless of whether they are paid or free.
If H's 1.5 doesn't allow protected apps, you simply replace the build.prop and market.apk files with ones that permit it. Nothing else to it.
heldc said:
So, from reading, I'm unsure if the Haykuro ADP cupcake build allows paid apps from the market or not. I assume it doesn't, since previously google didn't allow paid apps on dev builds, but there doesn't seem to be anything conclusive posted one way or the other (or my seach-fu fails). Could someone running Haykuro's cupcake ADP confirm? Thanks!
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You can view/download paid & protected apps with Haykuro's ADP1.5. I'm using it so i should know. I'm pretty sure this have been mention before though, in Haykuro ADP1.5's thread.