Anyone noticed the GPS Fix fix on the o2 UK website..?
i noticed it ! installed it and the only thing it seems to visably install is quickGPS..
BUT it seems to work! Using copilot 7 i got a fix in under 10 seconds... seems to have definatly done the trick - only time will tell if this continues!
On another note ive heard a rumour from o2 that they are woking on an updated rom that should be out sometime over the next moth or so that will fix other problems with the serra including battery drain....
Garyph77 said:
i noticed it ! installed it and the only thing it seems to visably install is quickGPS..
BUT it seems to work! Using copilot 7 i got a fix in under 10 seconds... seems to have definatly done the trick - only time will tell if this continues!
On another note ive heard a rumour from o2 that they are woking on an updated rom that should be out sometime over the next moth or so that will fix other problems with the serra including battery drain....
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o0o - cool.
Could you upload the file? I don't have a Serra, but want to take a look..?
I have changed the ROM on my serra and now get a fix very quickly every time. What I have not cured is the slight lag whilst using the sat nav. Sometimes this seems OK but is a pain when going round a big roundabout and not sure what exit to take, as the device is a little behind.
Any feedback as to if this fix helps would be great.
Can anyone test speed lag? When you come to a complete stop and your speedometer reads 0, how long does it take for your GPS app to read 0?
Here's the link to o2's exe which install it on your Serra via the PC. They wanted a serial number to download it, but HTC123456789 worked fine lol.
I heard there was suppose to be a new rom from HTC to "fix" the GPS lag problem. Who knows when it will be "official" but you can bet it will show up on XDA before anywhere else
Aar0n said:
Here's the link to o2's exe which install it on your Serra via the PC. They wanted a serial number to download it, but HTC123456789 worked fine lol.
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From the filename it does look like it just installed QuickGPS
It is indeed just Quick GPS, but it works.
Without this application a lock could take upto 20mins.
With quick gps, it takes less than 2 mins.
Well done to HTC / O2 for taking action against an ongoing issue.
The workarounds have been good, but im glad to see an official fix.
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It is indeed just Quick GPS, but it works.
Without this application a lock could take upto 20mins.
With quick gps, it takes less than 2 mins.
Well done to HTC / O2 for taking action against an ongoing issue.
The workarounds have been good, but im glad to see an official fix.
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Is this the same quickGPS that comes with the stock ATT FUZE and most of the Fuze ROMs?
jank0023 said:
Is this the same quickGPS that comes with the stock ATT FUZE and most of the Fuze ROMs?
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no, but it is the same one as the latest raphael rom from htc.
this one is: 1.0 1815.2630
while some cooked rom have (for example RRE): 1.0 1817.3430
cant get it to install, it gave me a wrong rom verison error.
itsnotmeeee said:
It is indeed just Quick GPS, but it works.
Without this application a lock could take upto 20mins.
With quick gps, it takes less than 2 mins.
Well done to HTC / O2 for taking action against an ongoing issue.
The workarounds have been good, but im glad to see an official fix.
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itsnotmeee, you have your GPS working with this and no other tweaks ?
Can someone not in the UK\not on O2 verify that it does actually work
It could just be tweaking QuickGPS to work better with O2's towers
I don´t know if I am of any help here, but my Touch Pro came with Quick GPS pre-installed and didn´t help me from experiencing the same problems many others reported about earlier: no fix, losing fix. It seeemed always to work after a fresh reeboot, then after using tomtom for e few times (probably) the logging of sattelites prevented the dwvice from getting a fix.
I did the registry tweaks which solved the problem, however TT7 is still lagging if only slightly. This neither worsened nor improved after editing the registry.
Using ROM 1.90.407.4GER
Radio 1.02.25.19
that is the situation I am in
I have once again done a hard reset to start from scratch
I think I have mangaed to get a fix 3-4 times and all when testing, I have not yet used the GPS in anger as it refuses to get a fix when I actually want to use it
I have tried TT and now iGo
google maps got me a fix once only
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Has anyone else had any problems with the above, currently using L26 WM 6.1 Proffesional. But TomTom taking ages to find GPS with Window 6 more less straight away. I have updated QuickGPS, just dont seem to be finding my GPS location. Any advice would be appreciated!
try going outside
XtreMe_G said:
try going outside
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rm1984 said:
Has anyone else had any problems with the above, currently using L26 WM 6.1 Proffesional. But TomTom taking ages to find GPS with Window 6 more less straight away. I have updated QuickGPS, just dont seem to be finding my GPS location. Any advice would be appreciated!
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Just tried mine with TT6 and the same ROM as you and have the same problem.
No issues with the L26 WM6.1 ROM and TT6 over here. They work fine together with a fast fix.
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No issues with the L26 WM6.1 ROM and TT6 over here. They work fine together with a fast fix.
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Is there any chance you can share this quick fix?
I use dutty's WM 6.1 ROM for 2 weeks now. And in the 2 weeks I used TomTom for 4 days and it worked 100%
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Is there any chance you can share this quick fix?
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lol, when sanderjohan said fast fix, i think he meant it picks up his position quickly, not using some trick or something like that
I'm having the same problem, Tomtom and iGO have no problem initializing the GPS, but it can never determine where I'm at.
I changed Radio Version from 1.64.08.21 to 1.64.06.04 and the GPS issue has been resolved it takes less time to find fast fix. Plus theres no loss in signal on Orange UK, so problem solved
ill give it a shot thanks
Didn't fix anything, still takes forever to lock on.....that's even IF it locks on
It worked for me, even got GPS signal inside.
Which TomTom Version you using?
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I changed Radio Version from 1.64.08.21 to 1.64.06.04 and the GPS issue has been resolved it takes less time to find fast fix. Plus theres no loss in signal on Orange UK, so problem solved
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Tried this to no joy am using sleuth 6.1 by way! and on orange uk looks like going back to 6.0 rom till this sorted?
Is you tomtom setup to use the internal antenna setting, as I had the same problem but when I changed to "other NMEA" setting and set baud rate to 1900 and com port4 it is working great.....
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Tried this to no joy am using sleuth 6.1 by way! and on orange uk looks like going back to 6.0 rom till this sorted?
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Gave up on this rom (sleuth 6.1) untill fix comes out? and installed udK 7.0 R1 Vega now tom tom locks within few secs! so must be something with the old rom?
Running Sleuth's 6.1 for a week and a half now with no trouble. Try a soft-reset followed by an IMMEDIATE Quick GPS download before loading Tomtom. Make sure that it actually DOES download. The one issue that I'm having with this rom is that some 3rd party apps don't always trigger a GPRS connection. When it's being cranky, the Quick GPS update just immediately acts like it's finished without ever actually doing anything. I get around this be triggering a connection 1st w/ PIE and then waiting a sec for traffic to flow then launch Quick GPS and watch to make sure it really does do it's download. I was having the EXACT same issue as your guys before working this out.
SLow GPS
To be honest, I believe the built in GPS Reciever is both slow and poor, compared to even one of the cheapest full-blooded GPS devices out there.
Not that I expected much more, but when it takes my TyTN II 2 hours to find my location while driving from Oslo(Norways capitol) towards Sweden in a car, then there's something wrong.
I set the location, put the phone on the dashboard, and waited. After two hours it said: "Take a right". Yay, the right I was taking was the last few meters on my trip.
"You have now reached your destination"
I applauded, turned of TomTom, and has never started the application again.
What a waste
I'm using Schap's v4.40 with the original orange radio and TomTom locks on with 10 seconds.
I noticed that if you live in an area with large buildings around, your gps signal won't be good and it'll take a longer time to pick up a signal. Usually the first time running, your gps will take a while. I also notice that inside a building, you are going to have a harder time picking up gps. If you are in an open field for more than 2 minutes trying to pick up gps, then I think you have a problem. Be sure to consider all these things before saying gps doesn't work with the rom.
Just to note: some radios pick up gps a lot faster than others. You can experiment.
I've had a number of problems with my Touch Pro, failing to obtain a GPS lock. I tried most suggestions on this site, but the GPS is nowhere as reliable as I had on my trusty N95.
I contacted HTC and got this response indicating that “very very few” people are having issues...
"Hello,
Reading through the troubleshooting you have performed, I can think of nothing else to suggest. You have cross tested with different GPS orientated software, tinkered with the internal settings all to no avail.
To date we are getting very, very few complaints relating to GPS issues on the Touch Pro, so I do not anticipate a "fix" for the problem you are facing any time soon."
...I think we should all contact HTC support (http://www.htc.com/www/CS_Mail.aspx)and make sure that is clear you are having problems with the GPS so they can investigate and fix ASAP
I contacted HTC earlier in the year, when they released 6.1 for the Kaiser. Since version 6.1, my kaiser gps performance was poor - in fact very similar to the TP. However i never heard back from them........
PS you need to remove )and from the end of the link in order for it to work
Today i've sent a email to HTC suport, complaining about the gps lag .
but so far I have'nt heared from them.
K, done!
I hope that this issue is resolved soon.
C'mon guys, everyone send em a message -- even if your device works perfectly. Take a hit for the rest of us.
This is what I wrote:
I have tried everything to get the GPS on the HTC TOUCH PRO to work as well as it should on all my other devices. Getting a fix takes FOREVER on this device and the lag can sometimes be horrible. There are SO MANY people with this issue that it's not funny (google or read the forums and you will see). Is HTC doing anything to resolve this issue? I just paid $3600.00 for three of these devices and am considering returning them for something with mroe reliable GPS. Is HTC doing anything about this? Thanks very much!
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For the record, my GPS works fine, but the time it takes to get a fix could be helped (a couple of mins). This is after applying all the reg tweaks found herein, etc.
Xtreme XL said:
Today i've sent a email to HTC suport, complaining about the gps lag .
but so far I have'nt heared from them.
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I did the same about 3 weeks ago, still nothing from HTC Bad support from HTC. They just do not acknowledge these problems....
request to HTC sent.
I have also sent my comment about GPS lag to HTC, asking when they start replacing phones
I sent 2 support requests. The first was replied to overnight, but didn't help at all. Was sloppy, spelling errors, didn't actually read what I said. The second asked for a more senior member to read my request and come up with a sensible solution. This took about 4 days.
I send an email too. I encourage everyone to do the same.
Maybe they will do something.
EDIT. @private69 has already an answer.
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And their answser was he following:
"So far only two people have notified us about the problem, it would require significantly
more people complanining before a HOTFIX patch is released"
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Original post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=430993
Email sent, compared to my old Kaiser (RIP) which was pronto on acquiring the GPS, I'm usually lucky to acquire a signal before I get to my destination using a map... So absolute rubbish!
Try this AT YOUR OWN RISK to see if it helps:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2114969&postcount=25
It was originally released for the Kaiser, but all it is doing is replacing a DLL related to the GPS with an older, more reliable WM6 version. It works wonders for iNav on my Tilt, and it just may work on the Touch Pro as well.
cheer up!!
hmm..that's quite a good reply....
atleast they didn't reply that tp is a bussiness phone, and everything shouldn't work as it is only meant for business....
gps isn't necessary for business,
and so does multimedia playback capability,
and so does photo, and video recording,
and you shouldn't suppose to listen to whatever the other person that's on the other side of the call saying to you,
however you get some complimentary features such as auto answer in your pocket,
special broken screen design,
what else and you tell me....as the list goes on
by the way i see it, when they say they have bussiness in mind for TP,
they really mean it,
business for HTC
but not you owners of TP
Also, report ALL the problems that you found with your TP. It's very important. See this topic: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=426585 (touch pro issues)
I've sent some e-mails, one answered (summarized) "[..]However I can also see that these issues do not effect everyone, we have had a lot of good feedback regarding this device[..]". And other couple of unsatisfied replies. But, after a while, a guy called Mike B. was nice and asked me to give him my cell number for calling me to discuss about the issues (since i don't own a TP I've gave him a phone number of another user that is disappointed about TP).
Contact:
http://www.htc.com/www/about_htc_bymail.aspx
http://www.htc.com/europe/CS_Mail.aspx
http://www.htc.com/europe/CA_Hotline.aspx
Try also info AT htc DOT com. If you send it directly to this e-mail there are more chances for a reply.
Don't give up! The more issues report, the better for all!
And mention to forward the message to "Mike Barton".
@moderators: Please make it sticky!
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Try this AT YOUR OWN RISK to see if it helps:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2114969&postcount=25
It was originally released for the Kaiser, but all it is doing is replacing a DLL related to the GPS with an older, more reliable WM6 version. It works wonders for iNav on my Tilt, and it just may work on the Touch Pro as well.
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Don't try this on TP. I got my own risk, after install cab file from this thread, my TP can't find GPS at any COM port, I had to uninstall it and changed GPSID registry back to original DLL file but no luck, my GPS found in COM4 but my TP can't receive any GPS signal. I have to hardreset.
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Don't try this on TP. I got my own risk, after install cab file from this thread, my TP can't find GPS at any COM port, I had to uninstall it and changed GPSID registry back to original DLL file but no luck, my GPS found in COM4 but my TP can't receive any GPS signal. I have to hardreset.
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Was just about to try this...thanks for the warning...
I still urge everyone to contact HTC about the GPS problems!
Hopefully we can get a software fix in the next ROM (if it can be solved by software)
Oh yes, it DOES work!
hung_ng said:
Don't try this on TP. I got my own risk, after install cab file from this thread, my TP can't find GPS at any COM port, I had to uninstall it and changed GPSID registry back to original DLL file but no luck, my GPS found in COM4 but my TP can't receive any GPS signal. I have to hardreset.
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I am amidst of testing the TP's GPS capabilities as I've written in another thread, and I also tried this GPSID dll file. I have to say, that firstly it does work, although I used it a little bit differently. I simply copied the GPSID_QTC6.dll file into the windows dir, exchanged the appropriate files' names and I got a system with instantenious fix and far better reception - I got a fix indoors! BUT, the lag still remains ...
Testing continues ...
Greetings,
Hugo
Hmmm, also mailed a while ago to HTC about this issue and never gotten a response... This is my first HTC phone but their customer service leaves a lot to be desired so far.
I'll mail them again (and really feel the urge to give that dll fix a try)
Also mailed HTC...
probably will never got answer, but.. who knows.
hugo5 said:
I am amidst of testing the TP's GPS capabilities as I've written in another thread, and I also tried this GPSID dll file. I have to say, that firstly it does work, although I used it a little bit differently. I simply copied the GPSID_QTC6.dll file into the windows dir, exchanged the appropriate files' names and I got a system with instantenious fix and far better reception - I got a fix indoors! BUT, the lag still remains ...
Testing continues ...
Greetings,
Hugo
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This didnt work for me either...the phone seems to think there is no GPS receiver installed at all. Using GPSTest to scan the ports and baud rates after using that DLL and doing a soft reset...no success.
I received a email from HTC folllowing on from my original, saying they have received a few more complaints.
KEEP EMAILING HTC, ITS SLOWLY GETTING THROUGH!
Well, I also tried the dll switch and although my phone can see the gps receiver I simply don't get any signal... no sattelites at all. So that's that for now.
Gonna mail HTC again today about the issue...
bump.
Could someone make this a sticky?!
Update: so far I haven't heard a thing from HTC (only that they got my email)
great sevice......
Hi Guys.
Just wondering if anyone has been able to solve the problem of tomtom7 taking like 5-10mins to find a valid gps singal when installed on the htc touch pro using the internal a-gps.
Sorry if this has been covered. I've tried doing searches and there is a lot of discussion but can't seem to find a thread that actually lists a working solution.
Can anyone help?????
so that is a no?
i thought this was a common problem with a lot of people?
any solutions?
gps fix
for me upgrading to 6.5 rom did the trick
Are you referring to the leaked windows mobile 6.5 rom beta??
I use Tomtom 7 and have no problem at all getting a GPS lock. With the original radio it took around 40 seconds, now with radio 1.12.25.19 it locks in around 10-15 seconds.
But I had to uninstall Google Maps for it to work.
I also use TomTom 7 but I dont use aGPS. It use to take time earlier when I had AT&T stock ROM. After I flashed with Energy ROM 2.0 Win Mo 6.1, the satellite locks pretty fast. However it is still not 10-15 seconds.
This might be as I have kept the radio same.
Do you all guys use aGPS?
I have aGPS disabled, because the GPS doesn't work properly if I enable it. Maybe Brazil has poor aGPS support, so I'm glad the GPS itself is pretty good.
Well im using my htc touch pro on the optus network in australia.
Checking device info shows my radio as: 1.02.25.19
Im guessing this is an old version.
I dont really wanna change anything thats going to void my warranty and the whole purpose of getting this device was so i could put tomtom on it and i didn't have to carry a gps receiver with me, i wanted to use the interneal gps.
Is there any software tweaks out there or is it purely down to dodgy internal gps/ dodgy htc rom
juzz18,.. check the HTC homepages.
there's an offical fix for the GPS fix issue that should blow your warranty
juzz18,.. check the HTC homepages.
What I meant is...
there's an official fix for the GPS fix issue that should NOT blow your warranty
hey that wasn't there the last time i checked!
They've just released it by the looks of the date.
I'll try it out and let you know.
Thanks Heaps!!
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Well im using my htc touch pro on the optus network in australia.
Checking device info shows my radio as: 1.02.25.19
Im guessing this is an old version.
I dont really wanna change anything thats going to void my warranty and the whole purpose of getting this device was so i could put tomtom on it and i didn't have to carry a gps receiver with me, i wanted to use the interneal gps.
Is there any software tweaks out there or is it purely down to dodgy internal gps/ dodgy htc rom
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I had this radio before, and a few weeks ago I decided do flash a new one (1.12.25.19). I was a little afraid because I had never done that.
Well, now GPS locks 2-3 times faster, finds more satellites, and sometimes locks even indoors, like inside my house.
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I had this radio before, and a few weeks ago I decided do flash a new one (1.12.25.19). I was a little afraid because I had never done that.
Well, now GPS locks 2-3 times faster, finds more satellites, and sometimes locks even indoors, like inside my house.
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Ahhh ok. Well the one you flashed to is that an official radio release and if i was to flash to it would it void warranty on the device??
I fought with the tomtom software for a while and eventually gave up. Found a thread discussing amAzeGPS and installed it to the storage card. Works pretty well. Locks on really quickly. Might give it a try.
Anyone with Energy ROM 2.0 tried this?
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Anyone with Energy ROM 2.0 tried this?
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For me on Energy ROM 2.0, Google Maps gets a fix in under 10 seconds, and Chartcross GPS Test gets a fix just as quickly. From what I can tell, attempting to get a cold fix with TomTom does NOT work, at ALL. However if I start up GPS Test THEN TomTom, it fixes quickly.
Thanks for the reply. Yes I do start Chartcross GPS test first and then TomTom
It take 20-25 seconds sometimes more to get the lock. It is much better than last time when I was on AT&T stock ROM
So I guess there is no use of this patch yet for me
Hi all (excuse me for my bad english)
I know that many people have GPS problems with the Raphael. So do i. After having read many thread's I havn't got the sollution yet.
2 months ago I flashed my MDA Vario IV back to the original T-Mobile Rom. This action was not succesful because this ROM was very slow and anoying. The only nice thing was that TomTom did work after waiting some 2 a 4 minutes to get a Fix.
Now I flashed the Raphael back to EnergyROM Warhawk, August 11th 2009 WWE, and i must say that the performance is great! A very nice rom, stable and fast. Except for GPS fix. No navigation possible. Not with Google Maps, TomTom, and even the HTX GPS tooling (I can see 6 to 7 sattelites, but no fix possible).
Before I'm going to spend many and many of hours reading threads (again) about GPS problems, can someone tell me what to do to fix the GPS fix problem? Is it the Radio Rom? and so, whitch Radio Rom do I need to use for Use in europe (Netherlands). Do I need to go back to the T-Mobile shop and let them fix it? Are there other sollutions to fix the problem?
(PS: 1,5 year ago when I bought the Raphael the first 2 or 3 times there were no GPS problems at all, after using it for ssveral times the problem occured)
I Hope someone can help me, Please advice...
Best regards,
A. Donker
Netherlands
a small comment:
Previously I used the Universal for 2 years, and the MDA2 and 3 for 2 years with a external GPS device connected by bluetooth. No problems at al,.. got a fix in about 10 sec. seems like the internal GPS from Raphael is F#[email protected]?
regards..
A.
adonker said:
Hi all (excuse me for my bad english)
I know that many people have GPS problems with the Raphael. So do i. After having read many thread's I havn't got the sollution yet.
2 months ago I flashed my MDA Vario IV back to the original T-Mobile Rom. This action was not succesful because this ROM was very slow and anoying. The only nice thing was that TomTom did work after waiting some 2 a 4 minutes to get a Fix.
Now I flashed the Raphael back to EnergyROM Warhawk, August 11th 2009 WWE, and i must say that the performance is great! A very nice rom, stable and fast. Except for GPS fix. No navigation possible. Not with Google Maps, TomTom, and even the HTX GPS tooling (I can see 6 to 7 sattelites, but no fix possible).
Before I'm going to spend many and many of hours reading threads (again) about GPS problems, can someone tell me what to do to fix the GPS fix problem? Is it the Radio Rom? and so, whitch Radio Rom do I need to use for Use in europe (Netherlands). Do I need to go back to the T-Mobile shop and let them fix it? Are there other sollutions to fix the problem?
(PS: 1,5 year ago when I bought the Raphael the first 2 or 3 times there were no GPS problems at all, after using it for ssveral times the problem occured)
I Hope someone can help me, Please advice...
Best regards,
A. Donker
Netherlands
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Hello A. Donker!
Have you downloaded Quickgps data?
I suggest that you also flash a different radio (i use 1.14.25.05, this is the suggested radio for this ROM) as the RILPHONE.DLL has been changed in this ROM.
I use ENERGY ROM "Aurora" Aug 1st version with the radio above and GPS functions very well.
Another suggestion for a very quick GPS lock is the program GPSTODAY.
It's very fast at getting a gpslock (i think this prog plays very well with quickgps data, but that's speculation.) There is a today plugin (that i use, fix set to manual) and a standalone version.
What i do is first use GPSTODAY to get a very fast fix (few seconds) then run TomTom. Works very well for me.
Sometimes GPS stops working for some reason and after soft reset it works again.
Hope this also works for you!
Hi,
The GPS on my Oneplus One appears to be very close to broken after the OTA update to 5.1. My phone is completely stock - ie not rooted, locked bootloader, the whole lot. Everything else on the device works beautifully.
I've searched around and it doesn't appear to be a very common problem with this phone.
The GPS worked flawlessly on 4.4 and I think on 5.0 (was only on 5.0 for a couple of days before the 5.1 OTA came through).
Using GPS test I can see 32 satellites, but it will very, very slowly fix to 7 or 8 and sometimes get a lock, mostly not.
Is this something anyone else is finding, or has a fix for?
I'm not against rooting and flashing another ROM, it just seems a little overkill when everything else works so well.
Thanks in advance for any help...
Did you tried GPS Fix from Playstore?
Sent from my A0001 using XDA Free mobile app
^^^ Yes, often resetting and downloading new AGPS data can fix this. I use GPS Status & Toolbox.
Thanks guys. "The GPS Fix" app sorted it out. I'm not sure what it actually does behind the scenes but I'm getting a solid lock instantly now.
Is this something I'm going to need to do periodically, or after a reboot to keep it working?
Cheers...
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Is this something I'm going to need to do periodically, or after a reboot to keep it working?
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I travel a lot internationally and only have to do it when I go to another region. Once I'm in a region for a while, I just leave it alone.
This is what I used http://ejvyas.blogspot.com/2015/10/one-plus-one-bacon-gps-fix.html
Did it work well long term?
I thought I'd fixed this with the apps mentioned earlier, but it's still pretty poor. 30 seconds plus to fix and then drops out constantly...
Same issue here.. It started after the last update..I travel for business and I use the phone to plan my route.. Last trip had great weather yet horrible drop off. Hasn't gotten any better since..