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Hi All,
I would like your assistance with something. All it's going to take is a call to you network provider after a quick test with your phone.
The Problem:
Do you miss calls even if the phone has full signal and may even be in your hand? If the answer is yes and you are on any network other than Vodafone, then you are experiencing my frustration. It's due to the networks not prioritising voice calls over data calls when there is an active 2G/GPRS connection. This is not related to the handset at all it's network-side.
The Test:
1. Turn your phone to GSM mode. For my phone it's Settings > Wireless & Network > Mobile Network > Network Mode
2. Start a data connection
3. Use an app that is data intensive e.g. Google Maps
4. Use another phone to call your phone
If I am right, due to a lack of Dual Transfer Mode capability, your phone will bounce the call.
The Solution:
The only solution is for you to call your network and complain. YOU PAY FOR THE SERVICE SO THEY SHOULD PROVIDE IT.
My network is Orange and they say they are looking into it but I have no confidence in them as they say they have never experienced this. It's been the same since I had a Nokia N95 but smart phones these days are so much more data intensive so the problem is greater.
Thanks for you time.
On all the phones I've had with Voda and O2, if I'm using data and get a call, my net connection drops and I get the call.
Hi,
I sometimes need to travel to places with just GSM. I want to establish a connection to the internet using classic dial up as in 56k modem type connection. I would Ideally like to do this with an android phone but i'm open to suggestions.
Any Ideas?
AW: [Q] Classic Dial up with no PC
With 2G (GSM) you should already have a data plan incorporated. Just start the browser.
If your mobile has a modem of course...
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Takalani said:
Hi,
I sometimes need to travel to places with just GSM. I want to establish a connection to the internet using classic dial up as in 56k modem type connection. I would Ideally like to do this with an android phone but i'm open to suggestions.
Any Ideas?
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You want that connection for your mobile of for your laptop? What phone do you have?
inherit said:
You want that connection for your mobile of for your laptop? What phone do you have?
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No PC. just straight out dialup connection to connect my phone to a classic dialup network. I currently have an SG3. I travel to places where i have just GSM. I don't want to take a PC with. I just want to be able to dial into a server the old fashion way through my phone, for my phone.
Takalani said:
No PC. just straight out dialup connection to connect my phone to a classic dialup network. I currently have an SG3. I travel to places where i have just GSM. I don't want to take a PC with. I just want to be able to dial into a server the old fashion way through my phone, for my phone.
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Well, as far as I know, you have to obtain connection settings from your phone carrier. Bhere is no difference between GPRS, EDGE, 3G and HSDPA, except speed! Connection setting are the same and the phone will switch automaticaly to the best connection. Google the internet for the settings for your location and your carrier.
inherit said:
Well, as far as I know, you have to obtain connection settings from your phone carrier. Bhere is no difference between GPRS, EDGE, 3G and HSDPA, except speed! Connection setting are the same and the phone will switch automaticaly to the best connection. Google the internet for the settings for your location and your carrier.
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I want to dial the old DialUp way. Dial through GSM to an internet service provider through a telephone number like a classic fax 56k modem.
GPRS won't work because i there is no coverage.
I want a way to do good old classic v92 56k modem type dialing
Takalani said:
I want to dial the old DialUp way. Dial through GSM to an internet service provider through a telephone number like a classic fax 56k modem.
GPRS won't work because i there is no coverage.
I want a way to do good old classic v92 56k modem type dialing
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Well, if there is no coverage.... this means that you cannot use your phone at all. The lowest transfer rate is GPRS, and it can by dialed IF you have any signal prom you phone carrier. So, if you can use you phone to make calls, you can cake a GPRS connection. I don't think if there is any phone company that allow dialup connection other that in they own network, and if they allow... well, it will cost big money.
So, I repeat: if you can make phone calls, this means that you have signal from your telephone company and you can make a dialup connection if you know the correct settings! Connection speed depends on signal and phone performance!
Takalani said:
I want to dial the old DialUp way. Dial through GSM to an internet service provider through a telephone number like a classic fax 56k modem.
GPRS won't work because i there is no coverage.
I want a way to do good old classic v92 56k modem type dialing
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Why?
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inherit said:
Well, if there is no coverage.... this means that you cannot use your phone at all. The lowest transfer rate is GPRS, and it can by dialed IF you have any signal prom you phone carrier. So, if you can use you phone to make calls, you can cake a GPRS connection. I don't think if there is any phone company that allow dialup connection other that in they own network, and if they allow... well, it will cost big money.
So, I repeat: if you can make phone calls, this means that you have signal from your telephone company and you can make a dialup connection if you know the correct settings! Connection speed depends on signal and phone performance!
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3rd world country, anything is possible, including GSM with no GPRS . I don't mind paying voice call rates for a data connection.
change the way the question is asked
Background info. I just switched to AT&T a week ago. I can only afford a 1GB data plan (retired). Before I changed to AT&T (stay with me) I had a Verizon "unlimited data plan", (would take too long to explain why I switched). Anyway, I forgot to change the settings, in the phone, to turn off the "Mobile Network" so I burned through 90% of my data plan in 1 week.
I have a crazy idea. I have unlimited "talk" on my plan. So I want to use the "talk" minutes on my plan for my Galaxy S3 to access the internet through free Dial-up", so I won't go over on my "data Plan" limit. Don't want to link to a PC.
Note to ALL Cellular providers: You guys brought the "Smartphone" to market and hyped them to get us to buy them and use them. Then you hyped "unlimited" data. Then we started using our smartphones and a lot of data. Now your networks can't support the data usage, so you started charging more and more for the data and took away the unlimited plans to limit the data usage. Shame on you!!
sdiCharge said:
Background info. I just switched to AT&T a week ago. I can only afford a 1GB data plan (retired). Before I changed to AT&T (stay with me) I had a Verizon "unlimited data plan", (would take too long to explain why I switched). Anyway, I forgot to change the settings, in the phone, to turn off the "Mobile Network" so I burned through 90% of my data plan in 1 week.
I have a crazy idea. I have unlimited "talk" on my plan. So I want to use the "talk" minutes on my plan for my Galaxy S3 to access the internet through free Dial-up", so I won't go over on my "data Plan" limit. Don't want to link to a PC.
Note to ALL Cellular providers: You guys brought the "Smartphone" to market and hyped them to get us to buy them and use them. Then you hyped "unlimited" data. Then we started using our smartphones and a lot of data. Now your networks can't support the data usage, so you started charging more and more for the data and took away the unlimited plans to limit the data usage. Shame on you!!
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I don't think you'll find a way to trick AT&T... "talk" minutes use voice connection so I do not think you'll be able to make a dial-up connection using your "talk" minutes. If you're going to manage this, many phone companies will have to change their rate plans!
1GB should be enough for a commonly used: email, chat, news...
Does the idol automatically use wifi when it's available for data? I just got a sim card and activated using BYO Wireless (T-Mobile).
My old Tracfone phone had an option where you could turn off cell data and use wifi only.
Yes and no..the priority is wifi but the cell radio is still used to receive sms's and other cell phone specific notifications...when you make a call while on wifi it's still using the cell radio not wifi for the call. You however have to have wifi on and the hotspot "saved"...if you want the phone to automatically grab any available hotspot when in an area look for an app like "wefi".
Some people make things so complicated.
The simple and best answer is yes, Wifi always takes priority over mobile data if the phone is connected to a wifi signal. This is standard on all phones as far as I know.
I realize it uses cell signal for messages and calls but will it use WiFi for surfing the web and email?
Thanks shodan. I posted before your reply..
Situation:
I currently live in the US. My end game is to live in Colombia and run an orphanage. This means a regular phone and long distance doesn't make sense. With someone like CallHippo, I can VOIP with a free number, call recording, free inbound, and 200 free minutes outbound and $.01/min. after that. This also enables me to change SIMs with no number porting, and use any Internet connection for calling without meeting any wireless provider requirements. However, it depends on a data connection. However, I've never had cell phone service without data available also, and VOIP requires very little bandwidth. 1GB of data is good for at least 1200 minutes of VOIP.
So my question is, Can you think of an instance anywhere anymore , where I might have voice but not data?
Thanks!
I'd like to force my Pixel 7 to disconnect from any mobile network, without using airplane mode. Do you know a way to achieve this?
Reason for asking this: I will travel abroad and use a secondary SIM to provide me with data, while using my primary SIM with voWiFi (or Backup calling). That'd would keep me reachable on my phone number and allow me to make calls/SMS @home at local rates.
The reason for having my primary SIM disconnected from any mobile network is due to the fact that my primary carrier will charge me for calls/SMS depending on the latest place I got connected to a mobile network. They charge roaming fees even when you're using voWiFi in airplane mode! I have tested this already on a previous trip.
One way would be to select a network manually, or a network that I know it won't connect. However, if I turn on and off airplane mode (to take a flight), the phone will connect to the latest network it connected successfully to.
So my strategy is to connect manually to my home network at home, hoping the phone doesn't magically connect to a network. That's why, I'd like to really make sure that the phone can't connect to any mobile network, just to be sure it won't connect to a network while roaming. But only on the primary SIM. For the other SIM I do want to get connected.
For those wondering, my carrier is T-Mobile NL.
Try messing up the apn details on your sim when abroad. That will prevent connection
The issue is that messing with apn won't prevent the phone to register to a roaming network. That alone will tell my carrier where I am and charge roaming fees accordingly...
@jasalta387 Interesting problem for sure. Can you forward your calls to the secondary (travel) sim and use WhatsApp or Signal to call on wifi? Or leave an auto message giving your foreign number. Any time you connect to the primary network you will be charged, no two ways about it on an Android device. I do believe the iPhone has that capability however. Even if you receive a text on the primary you will trigger a roaming charge. Perhaps the only way to avoid that is turning off the sim entirely while traveling. See if they have an inexpensive international plan?
Indeed, iPhone can easily be disconnected from a cellular network by selecting one that doesn't register. That setting sticks even while cycling through airplane mode or a device reboot. On Pixel this is not the case. Pixel will register again, hence my issue.
I know I could rely on 3rd party apps or services or call forwarding. Problem is that I then need to redirect all people who could reach me to them somehow, while using wifi calling is just fine. Even SMS come and go through it. I just need to not make my carrier aware I'm overseas. Hence my question.
I could use a second device that provides me data and keep my phone all the time in airplane mode. This needs that I carry the two devices all the time with the logistics of charging two phones and all of that. I just want to do it all with my Pixel.
I was thinking one thing: I need to go to the US. Is 3G dead there for good? Because then I could tell my Pixel to use 3G and not allow 2G. That'd keep it away from any accidental network registration upon landing.
jasalta387 said:
Indeed, iPhone can easily be disconnected from a cellular network by selecting one that doesn't register. That setting sticks even while cycling through airplane mode or a device reboot. On Pixel this is not the case. Pixel will register again, hence my issue.
I know I could rely on 3rd party apps or services or call forwarding. Problem is that I then need to redirect all people who could reach me to them somehow, while using wifi calling is just fine. Even SMS come and go through it. I just need to not make my carrier aware I'm overseas. Hence my question.
I could use a second device that provides me data and keep my phone all the time in airplane mode. This needs that I carry the two devices all the time with the logistics of charging two phones and all of that. I just want to do it all with my Pixel.
I was thinking one thing: I need to go to the US. Is 3G dead there for good? Because then I could tell my Pixel to use 3G and not allow 2G. That'd keep it away from any accidental network registration upon landing.
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I'm intrigued by this and would love to find a solution for you. Oh yeah, 3G is dead across the US from all reports. So I'm trying to parse this scenario, let's see if I get this right. You want to have phone calls come into your primary phone line (Sim 1) but no network connectivity for data, right so far. Also you want SMS to the primary while roaming. The problem is that even if you don't get a phone call or text the connection to the network alone will trigger a billing instance, right so far again?
My daughter has an iPhone and turns off data on the sim but can get phone calls and text. As soon as she does though there is a daily billing charge of $10 because she's outside the US. I also think she can connect to wifi and make calls and text without a carrier network. But I'm not sure about. But that aside, how would you like it to work? Would you like it to connect to the network but not get charged unless you get a call or SMS? Because once a call comes in you're roaming charges will ensue. In airplane mode and strictly wifi there should be no charges but you say they bill you anyway right? Are you sure you didn't get a text or something to trigger the charge? I hope I'm reading this right.
My carrier bills calls and SMS based on the country of the latest connected cellular network. So if I don't connect to any network while I'm abroad my carrier will think I never left the country.
I don't want neither data nor calls/SMS on my primary SIM using cellular while abroad. I can get all calls and SMS via WiFi calling on that primary SIM. To get WiFi calling when I'm abroad I will use the data connection on my secondary SIM or any WiFi network.
Because of the need to get the secondary SIM on, airplane mode doesn't help me. So I need my primary SIM to never to any cellular network while I'm abroad.
jasalta387 said:
My carrier bills calls and SMS based on the country of the latest connected cellular network. So if I don't connect to any network while I'm abroad my carrier will think I never left the country.
I don't want neither data nor calls/SMS on my primary SIM using cellular while abroad. I can get all calls and SMS via WiFi calling on that primary SIM. To get WiFi calling when I'm abroad I will use the data connection on my secondary SIM or any WiFi network.
Because of the need to get the secondary SIM on, airplane mode doesn't help me. So I need my primary SIM to never to any cellular network while I'm abroad.
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And if you turn off the sim then even WiFi doesn't work on your primary number?
If the SIM is turned off, then you don't get WiFi calling
Try the 4636 menu
Choose the SIM you want from drop down
3 dot menu top right
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jasalta387 said:
If the SIM is turned off, then you don't get WiFi calling
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Is it possible to adjust the order of airplane mode / network /wifi on-off so as to not allow the sim to connect to the network but still allow wifi on the sim? So for instance, disable the sim, turn on airplane mode, turn on the sim and then enable wifi calling while in airplane mode, turn off airplane mode with data turned off on the sim. I can't believe with no data, calls, sms and only wifi the carrier will charge you roaming. That just doesn't seem right.
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Is it possible to adjust the order of airplane mode / network /wifi on-off so as to not allow the sim to connect to the network but still allow wifi on the sim? So for instance, disable the sim, turn on airplane mode, turn on the sim and then enable wifi calling while in airplane mode, turn off airplane mode with data turned off on the sim. I can't believe with no data, calls, sms and only wifi the carrier will charge you roaming. That just doesn't seem right.
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@jasalta387
I don't know if you would follow this suggestion...
But in case you are interested in it, this sounds like something you could pull off automatically with something like MacroDroid or Tasker or some other automation app -- even without being rooted! But I concur, it doesn't make sense that a carrier charge roaming when there would be no data, calls, or sms but only wifi....I'm of the opinion (previously stated somewhere in the thread here) that you might've either misread the bill and/or accidentally "caught" a text or transferred a byte of data and it triggered...
Hey there, I know it sounds harsh that a carrier bills this way. It is verified and discussed in a local forum here (in Dutch) https://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_message/74880578#74880578
Of course, here there are a few things at play:
1- the carrier wants to have a clear way of communication and support. If you are abroad, those are the prices you pay for. That's it. You know it for sure. They don't want to have to explain how to turn on VoWIFI and explain how to make that working for every phone, or explain to you that you made a call thinking you were on VoWIFI while you weren't. Their approach is crystal clear.
2- the carrier makes some extra income this way. While travelling in the US: for every SMS sent they charge 0.51 EUR, calls placed 1.27 EUR, calls received 0.76 EUR and 2.50 EUR per MB of data. For data, they sell some passes that makes the price more reasonable. Note that unlimited plans for domestic data/calls here start at 25 EUR per month.
3- In The Netherlands (and for pretty much every country in EU) people rely quite a lot on 3rd party apps for calls and texting, especially when you are abroad. WhatsApp is the go-to service, even for domestic communication. People don't even bother using their home carrier when travelling outside of EU. They just remove (or disable) that SIM. So the high cost of roaming is usually left to business users for which companies pay or make better deals with the carriers.
One thing I didn't mention is that in NL, pretty much all carriers limit VoWIFI to Dutch IP addresses. To use VoWIFI you'd need to use a router that tunnels all IP traffic via a VPN that has an exit point in The Netherlands. That's how I conducted my test and verified that all activity using VoWIFI was billed using the same fares as if I was using a roaming cellular network.
I want to try this using a secondary SIM from a Dutch provider, which will give me the Dutch IP address. Backup Calling on my primary SIM will make that SIM to connect to VoWIFI. But to get my home fares, I really need to make sure that my primary SIM doesn't connect to any network while I'm travelling (hence my original request).