Hello everybody,
I want to tell you what happened to my Touch Pro this evening:
On the display (also if the device is off) appeared a small rectangle in the center (about 2x3 cm) made from bubbles. Well, not bubbles, I’m quite sure that are liquid crystal. If I put pressure with the finger the “bubbles” move and follow the pressure also out form the edge of this small rectangle)
As I can reach a decent camera I’ll post some photos of this rectangle.
The strange thing is that the device didn’t fall in ground, didn’t have temperature range; nothing hit it and so on. It was in my pocket well safe!!
If display is on the problem is quite invisible, if display is "black" or off... ....Grrrr!!!
Now, my questions:
1) Warranty is also for display?
2) How warranty works in Italy? Where should I ship the item? Which times?
3) If I have ship the device, sould I load the original rom & radio? Where can I find the rom?
Certainly, first thing I’m going to do Monday morning Is to call Italy HTC’s support number…
Thanks a regards,
Andrea
The "oil spot" problem isn't a broken display. It's the touch sensitive layer, which has been subject to too much pressure (carrying it in your pants pocket, etc). This has been happening on a bunch of Touch Pros and Diamonds. You should still be able to use it just fine, but touch sensitivity may get worse over time.
HTC may or may not be willing to replace it for you (and if so, they may or may not charge some kind of fee). Although it's just a hardware change, you should probably recover stock SoftSPL for warranty.
I have the "oil patch" problem with my Touch Pro. Unfortunately when I first noticed, HTC would not fix it for me, so I still have the oil patch on my screen, although everything still works fine so far. If it gets worse, I plan on buying a replacement LCD/touchscreen and replacing it myself:
http://mobile.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=03799
I've noticed this problem on quite a few of the original touch / elf / 6900 phones, including my old personal phone which I used in this condition for many many months without every having any actual issues. It is strange but like you said: pretty much not noticeable when on and probably just best left alone unless it really bothers you.
I have the same spot but it is not causing any problems that I noticed but there is many who have this spot in the diamond forum.
today i also noticed this on my touch pro..i sort of fell asleep on it and i think i might have messed it up
i can see that oil spot that you mention but only if i tilt the phone at a certain angle and only if the screen is off.When the display is on i can see everything properly
The problem:
Touch function is messed up badly..i tested in notes application and sometimes when i press at a point X the dot appears somewhere else on the screen...Internet browsing is a pain in the ass like this...
i also noticed one thing..i took the stylus out, put the phone next to my ear and i tapped at the area outside the oil mark. I get the normal soft sound and pressure feeling as it should be.. When i do the same at the oil spot its rather hard feeling and sound..
i will contact HTC on monday and see what they say about it..
otherwise i will get a replacement for 159euros (inc installation) from pdatech...
Happened to my Fuze...
Happened to me too 60 days into owning it. I carry all my phones in my pocket, but have never had this problem. I brought it into the at&t store that I got it at and they never saw it either (it is only a few months old for them and have not had any complanints yet). They were going to replace it for me but were sold out. They had me call the warranty department and they replaced it with a refurbished unit (although all of their refurbished units are brand new as of this point because the phone is so new for at&t).
If you got your phone through at&t call warranty support and they will swap it out if the unit is under warranty (which being 2 months old at this point it will be).
This happened to my Fuze as well. I tried to call AT&T support and visit a corp store but they ruled it as physical damage, thus voiding my warranty. Apparently the "crystals" under the display are cracked/damaged, causing the rectangle. Who knows.
has anyone successfully sent a touch pro raphael to HTC repair shop to be repaired under warranty with this issue?? its really bothering me that i can see it and i feel like it will affect my phone eventually...
Add me to the list too.. I am going to try to get mine replaced through Sprint if it gets bad. I hope they know this is an issue/defect and not something like water damage
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has anyone successfully sent a touch pro raphael to HTC repair shop to be repaired under warranty with this issue?? its really bothering me that i can see it and i feel like it will affect my phone eventually...
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I believe this is a design/quality issue. I posted about this same problem here some weeks back. HTC will not repair under warranty, paid in total 77 pounds to get this fix from them. I believe they are aware this is a problem because in the warranty book, screens are not covered even when its not your fault. They call it Newton ring .
Funny thing that a lot of people started noticing this issue very recently: as if a cheap component came to the end of its life cycle.. propably in my head only..
Anyway: I noticed this on my TP a few days ago and I'm going to drop my phone to the local service. It's the second time in just over 4 months.. crappy build quality really
also: Diamond users have had the same issue: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439410
Local HTC service got back to me: they're insisting that it's a 'mechanical fault, not covered by the manufacturers warranty'. Then it gets better: the estimated repair cost is 275 euros (that's roughly 355 USD) for the replacement of the display and front cover.
Naturally I'm going to challenge this as the oily patch appeared over night when the phone was sitting on a table.
not that im questioning what happened but personally i find it difficult to imagine how it can get the oil spot just by sitting on the table :S
normally you would expect this after exserting enough force on the screen. Personally that was my case. I sort of fell asleep on the phone and might have hit it on the metal edges of the bed..anyway i got mine replaced from pdatech.nl for ~170euros including installation costs..
Well if I had to venture a guess, I'd say that the 2h navigation on the night before took its toll on the display and during the night it just spread out and became visible..
how dodgy. I have been getting this problem, but funnily enough I thought it was due to air pressure, because it happened to mine when i was on the plane.
anyway i was just coming home from someplace real hot (40C), and it kept giving me the screen alignment problem for a few weeks, kept thinking i was pressing the top right corner of the screen regardless where I pressed. However, found that putting slight pressure on the screen for a few hours (i.e. a weight) fixed the screen alignment problem temporarily (for a few hours).
Anyway, just came back on the plane from someplace real cold (-10C), now the problem has ceased.
???? air pressure? or temperature variation?
I don't have the screen oil spot problem you guys have however.
Here's to it lasting a little while longer...
I asked for a more detailed report of the fault and the service just said that 'It's a fault defined as OOW (Out Of Warranty) by the manufacturer' and that there's nothing they can do but charge me for the repair. Note: they're not even putting the blame on me saying 'abuse/misuse'!
Now I'm going to go to the seller (expansys) and hope that they have some interest in keeping customers happy (and maybe have more business with them in the future!) and make things right (=fix my phone or replace it).
Wow, and I thought I was the only one. I've noticed the same oily stain after falling asleep on the phone. I've had it for a month now, and I've gotten used to it. It does not seem to affect the sensitivity or the accuracy on the touch screen. At least not in my case.
Does anyone have any experience replacing the touch screen by themselves? Is it a complicated operation? I would greatly appreciate a 10-step-guide on how to replace the screen, if it's going to be an issue over time.
disassembly guide
check out the wiki of xda click on service manuals and look for raphael. its on page 19 of the PDF
I noticed this issue on my Touch Pro today morning! I used my phone last evening and everything was fine. Now the touch screen doesn`t work at all. Great.
Same issue
I have also been victim of the oily patch.
I have had the Sprint Touch Pro since November and it just happened within the past 2 weeks.
Maybe this is due to not putting the screen protector on the phone.
I'm going to try visiting the Sprint Repair Center to replace it and then put the InvisibleShield Screen Protector on it.
Related
i just noticed the corner near the home button has a tiny bend that starts seperated from the layer beneath it....it looks like an old screen protector got a little bend in the corner but that is the surface of the phone!!! is there anyway to replace it or i cant do anything just waiting for it to come off?
it is ridiculous how an expensive phone like touch pro uses such low quality plastic that can actually get bend and i feel really helpless now =(
Yeah, mine is doing that too. Except it's on the "back" button side. It doesn't really affect anything. I'm just worried that if something gets caught on it, it might peel back further.
Nothing can make this phone suck though! It rules!!!
Yeah, unfortunately the TP/Diamond are suffering from some manufacturing defects, probably because it's a "new" design style for HTC. My TP has a touchscreen defect that conveniently showed up after the two-week return/exchange period.
Protective case, learn to love it.
Do you guys think they would be willing to replace a new case if i pay them?
My device shows the same behavior since this morning. Its about 1mm, so nothing to worry about and it seems to stick pretty well on the rest, thinking about rasping the edge off a bit to make it smoother
Is this getting worse on yours? Last post is 3 weeks ago .......
Any chance someone would post a picture of this? I'm thinking about the Fuze, but I can't stomach another HTC phone full of hardware flaws.
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Do you guys think they would be willing to replace a new case if i pay them?
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If it's really a defect, they should replace it without you paying them.
Considering that ATT offers a 1 year manufacture warranty. I can't see why you wouldn't be able to return the phone and get a replacement. It is obviously a problem with the design of the phone.
It wouldn't hurt to try and go to an ATT store and see if you can get a new FUZE!!!
Well, as we all know, HTC always claims that they don't know anything about the problems we address to them.
When I first complained to their support that I am having GPS lag, they told me I was the only one in the whole world suffering that problem, so it must be related to the software I installed.
Luckily they can not deny hardware problem so easily, as long as it is clear that there wher enot caused by misuse.
I don't have this particular problam, yet, but as I am already on my thrid TP (the first two had a defect hardware keyboard and black paint falling off), I would like to get some photo evidence of the users here, who unfortunately have the button part coming off.
That way we can show to HTC that more users have that problem, before we send back our devices, and maybe negotiate a direct replace, instead of rapair procedure, which takes up to 2 weeks.
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i just noticed the corner near the home button has a tiny bend that starts seperated from the layer beneath it....it looks like an old screen protector got a little bend in the corner but that is the surface of the phone!!! is there anyway to replace it or i cant do anything just waiting for it to come off?
it is ridiculous how an expensive phone like touch pro uses such low quality plastic that can actually get bend and i feel really helpless now =(
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My AT&T Fuze started doing the same thing after just two months. However, the bent plastic corner of the clear laminate was RAZOR sharp. My wife went to answer the phone and it resulted in a very serious slash to her cheek. This defect resulted in a very serious cut to her face!!
What is even more disappointing is that AT&T said that warranty does not cover this issue and said that the only way I was getting a replacement was if I paid the $125 deductible from the [email protected]*t insurance they scammed me on. I would have thought for $5/mo. I was completely covered.
The AT&T customer care rep was rude and not willing to help. A request to speak to his manager didn't get me far either. Even after I threatened to switch all 30 phones at my company back to Verizon Wireless they didn't seem to care.
At last I called HTC America directly this morning, explained my issue and they turned me over to a product specialist who told me that they know of no such issue. Despite my insistence they refused to replace the phone. Therefore, I WILL cancel all 30 lines my company has with AT&T and go back to Verizon...I hear the Samsung Omnia is not a bad smartphone!!
I have had my Fuze for about 2 weeks. Never dropped it or anything, in fact I baby my phones to the point that the wife makes fun of me for doing so . Anyway, right below the slide-out keyboard, I noticed two small chips about an inch apart from each other. One below the wifi key and one below the internet key. It also looks like the inner lip of that part is also starting to show wear. This is under light to medium use, mind you. I am thinking about exchanging it, however if this is a common problem, I would rather just get a different phone.
Add in the fact it took me a few days to get the phone exactly how I want it. Anyone else having this issue?
I don't think they would admit it if they were.
...just kidding.
As a matter of fact, I found those two chips!
I will have my phone 3 weeks come friday...
You mean you have chips in the exact same spot?
Unless you are withing 30 days, cosmetic damages are not considered valid exchange reasons. Hope you have insurance.
I only had the phone 2 weeks. the guy at the ATT store said to come back tomorrow when a manager was there to do an exchange. Even if I had problems, I paid with American Express. My problem is if it is a design flaw, a replacement would only be a temp. solution.
After reading this thread I looked at mine, which I've had for around two weeks and I also see a small chip right under the 'internet' key.
It's matte black so it does stand out, but I had to look for it.
WTF??
Chip under PTT button
Oh wow, I just noticed a chip right under the internet button. It seems is positioned right under the left side of the PTT when the slider is closed. I baby my phone like nobody's business. Had the Fuze since launch.
Well, if it is a design flaw (which it seems to be) it seems like it is something HTC needs to handle. Exchanging one from ATT will only result in the same thing happening.
yeah i have it too but its soooo small to notice right now and i have had my fuze for about 2 weeks too.
If anybody else is having this issue let us know. This is something that needs to be brought to HTC's attention, especially for a $400 phone.
Mine is also chipping under the OK, CV, spacebar, and Wifi
I am thinking about returning it to AT&T, but hate to have to add everything all over again, especially if the new one will do the same thing. I contacted HTC and suggested I just exchange it...anyone else going to do that as well?
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Mine is also chipping under the OK, CV, spacebar, and Wifi
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I got my Fuze from Amazon less than 2 weeks ago, and am noticing the exact same thing on mine, though the one under the WiFi is the only one you can really see, and even it's hardly noticeable (I never even noticed this until I saw this thread, that should give you an idea of how TINY they area). I'll keep an eye on it, but don't plan to exchange it unless this spreads or the chips get worse.
Edit-I baby mine like crazy too, as do most of you on here it seems. That fact, and the fact it's happening in the SAME spots on everybody's Fuze says to me it's a manufacturing defect, and hopefully this is the extent of it. Thankfully so far it's basically unoticeable, though on a phone at this price level there shouldn't be any such defects, no matter how tiny they may be.
I too hope this is the extent of the defect. If it does get worse, I will just contact HTC and explain the situation.
I second this:
under the internet key, calendar key, very tiny spot under wifi.
As i have babied mine, seems like an design issue as well.
Looking from the side profile, you can see that the surface underneath the volume key are touching the side, so it may be the cause that scratches the surface. Can someone starts off a petition?
I already contacted HTC about this issue, however for now the only option would be to exchange it where you bought it. As I mentioned before, if it is (and I would assume it is) a design flaw, it will just happen again with a new one. The only thing I can think of is waiting to see how extensive the damage becomes and if it gets real bad, to return it to HTC.
I gave HTC a link to this thread as well to show them others are having the same issue.
Same problem here on my Fuze, under the Wifi button. I've also had my phone for a little over two weeks and take extremely good care of it. For the WiFi button area of the phone, the only thing I can see is that this is right where the top line of the lower controls (like the line that separates the screen from the home button) hits. And the phone appears to have enough give that when you push down on the home key it constantly hits there. Thats what I am guessing is doing it.
Just a thought...
Hey guys I am super anal when it comes to my phones so I believe I qualify to make an educated guess about this. lol. First of all I noticed the same exact "chips" very soon after I recieved my phone.
At first I too believed them to be wear marks but after further examination I came to the conclusion that they must be production flaws, such as break off points of the plastic mold or something.
I believe this because I simply havent used the phone enough to cause the marks not to mention the mark under the space bar doesnt ever touch the back of the screen. Seeing as everyone has the marks almost exactly in the same place gives more credence to it being a production flaw.
Now moving on to the more frustrating and serious flaw. If you guys look real close I bet you find dust pieces under the glass and against the lcd. I can live with the chips, but I can't stand the dust.
I'm on my 3rd Fuze for warranty reasons, and the 2nd one I got was returned because of this problem. Does anyone have a good camera to post a macro photo for illustration? I would do it but my current handset does not have this issue (and i hope it never does!)
In regards to the overheating defect causing the newton ring please scroll to the second post on this page
Regarding the newton ring touch screen issue
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?p=916793#post916793
I'd post it in the TP or Diamond forums, but I know its happened to older models as well.
for those of you that don't want to jump forums here's the posting:
Scroll down to the bold area if you already read the top.
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http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.p...&postcount=338
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.p...&postcount=339
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=49405
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=66509
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread...mond+has+worms
Like many of you I also got hit with the newton ring on the screen of my AT&T branded HTC Touch Pro.
HTC said that it was caused by a pressure point and the screen was not flat, not a defect, thus causing the touch function to stop working. Thus, HTC said that I would have to pay $202.50 or .60, to have it repaired.
And after repairing, since we all know what the real problem is, they give you 90 days repair warranty, but since they originally said it was my fault, if it happens again, I'm screwed, yet again!
Obviously, we all know that we baby our phones and would never exact our phone's screens to any amounts of pressure past the screens limit.
And we all know that these phones have a tendency to overheat when used for prolonged periods of time - when used as a GPS in your car and charging simultaneously.
Are we not supposed to use our phones for GPS when it comes with the GPS Antennae installed?
Is it really the consumers fault when I'm sure hundreds of people have experienced the same ugly newton ring rainbow rectangle or circle on their nice new Touch Pro or Diamond screen?
It's outrageous how much these pretty devices cost just to have the screen first get an ugly rainbow rectangle, and then it causes the touch function to die. What if you happen to have the Diamond, and are out alone somewhere, and because of the newton ring, your touch function dies, and you need to call 911 because you need help?! What are you going to do?!? You don't have a slide-out keyboard as a backup!
And what about everyone that's going to buy the Touch Pro 2 and Diamond 2, and everyone that has older HTC models with this same problem? Doesn't it outrage you that this problem still exists, and instead of owning up and creating a better touchscreen that could deal with the overheating, HTC would rather just have us pay them over and over?! Maybe this is how they'll get the funding to make a better screen.......
Here's a bunch of different forums with threads about the same problem to document that tons of people are also having to deal with it; some say HTC repaired under warranty, some say they had to call HTC a bunch of times and complain to get it repaired under warranty, or there's those like me who haven't yet tried calling back because we don't know what to say to get them to repair under warranty and not user abuse:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439410
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502271
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=185986
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...hlight=rainbow
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...ight=rectangle -- person sent in their phone and received the same response
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...ight=rectangle
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=432559
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=428262
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...ight=rectangle
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...hlight=rainbow
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...ht=spot+screen
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=475294
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...hlight=rainbow the second occurance for this person
they said my screen wasn't flat, maybe they did that themselves?--->
http://www.modaco.com/content/smartp...ntre-problems/
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Ok so can you at least tell me what I need to say to HTC to get it repaired under the warranty? Or am I pretty much cluster-F-ed since they said the screen wasn't flat, which doesn't make any sense whatsoever since I know how much pressure to apply to the screen - BASICALLY NO PRESSURE!
any advice since my phone is currently in Indianapolis at HTC and I only have 9 days left to respond before they charge the $35 and send it back
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ok so HTC originally told me that the screen wasn't flat because it had a pressure point.. well either they did that themselves or, DUH, heat causes things to warp, and I know this whole problem was because the phone was constantly overheating!
Now I just need to know what to say over the phone to have them own up to their damn overheating issue and fix the thing for free!
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=41724&page=51 his phone overheats
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.php?p=575259&postcount=540
and yes mine gets too hot to hold or touch for that matter when its charging and 1. the screen is on. 2. the screen is on and i'm using gps. 3. the screen is on during a call. 4. the screen is on during a speakerphone call.
so how the heck am I supposed to use the phone while its charging during a call? It gets too hot! The back where the battery resides reaches almost to the point of a burning temperature it feels only a hairline away from burning my hand!
the proof of the Touch Pro's overheating:
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/1076262.html basically my problem
http://forums.verizon.com/vrzn/board/message?board.id=Smartphone&thread.id=1390 read the last post
http://forums.crackberry.com/f21/htc-touch-pro-93498/ its mixed around in posts
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-179994.html
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=47032
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=56431 DIAMOND AND TP
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/27/n...s-of-overheat/ scroll to Yankees368 post:
"then why the hell does by HTC Touch Pro (CDMA, Sprint) not get recalled. This thing could cook an egg, and actually stops charging while making a call, as it over heats."
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/27/...battery?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_engadget SCROLL DOWN TO SCRAPMAKER'S POST:
"My HTC Pro on Sprint easily got to 127F all the time. More than 30 people complained about it too. I guess HTC just doesn't give a damn... It got too hot to hold on regular phone calls. After an hour-long phone call, the battery would be nearly drained, even while plugged into the charger. Radio portion of phone would register 116-127F. I swear I thought the plastic would warp after time. I also thought maybe my phone was defective, so I went through 6 of them until I gave up and went back to my original Touch.My HTC Pro on Sprint easily got to 127F all the time. More than 30 people complained about it too. I guess HTC just doesn't give a damn... It got too hot to hold on regular phone calls. After an hour-long phone call, the battery would be nearly drained, even while plugged into the charger. Radio portion of phone would register 116-127F. I swear I thought the plastic would warp after time. I also thought maybe my phone was defective, so I went through 6 of them until I gave up and went back to my original Touch."
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.php?p=750539&postcount=46 quoted here:
"I had this issue last week and though the phone was messed up. When I saw this, I laughed so hard my coworkers thought I was crazy. LOL
I went into a Sprint repair store on the weekend and the representative there informed me that while I'm surfing the internet I shouldn't have the charger plugged in. I noticed that while I'm using the phone as a GPS or just talking on the phone while it's on the charger it heats up. WTF... you can't use and charge your phone at the same time? What a Crock... LOL"
REALLY? WE CAN'T CHARGE AND USE THE PHONE AT THE SAME TIME? IS THAT SO? HMMM..MY POINT EXACTLY.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.php?p=753675&postcount=60 ouch! i know what he means!
Overheating Diamonds (dont know if they are with or without the heatsync, depends on each person's phone)--
http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/news.aspx?id=39434&fid=150
http://forums.intomobile.com/htc/79159-htc-touch-diamond-overheated-help-please.html
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-179994.html
SHADOW-
http://www.htcwiki.com/thread/1152436/Shadow+overheating?t=anon
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ok well today's Monday aka the day I call HTC and attempt to plead my case! Can't believe almost 200 views of the thread and none of you gave any input. Hopefully none of you run into the same problem I'm having!
(keep in mind there was some liquid that snuck under the right side of the screen, BUT MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE THE HEAT MELTED THE SEAL that protects the screen from getting things like rain underneath it).
Ok I called and got this answer:
Pressure point in the middle of the screen caused the rectangle, the liquid on the right side of the screen voids the warranty anyway, we have no way to determine which event happened first.
The tech says that it was clearly caused by a pressure point and was not a battery issue (apparently she did or didn't bring up the overheating battery BEFORE i even mentioned when I called them today, I doubt she did).
Ok so your battery overheats, well I suggest you get a new battery when you get your phone back. (because it's definintely not defective and definitely wouldn't be the reason that 1. the phone warped from the extreme overheating causing the said "pressure point." 2. the overheating may have melted whatever seal that protects the lcd from outside factors like RAIN, thus allowing some liquid to enter the screen)
Many customers read blogs, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE BLOGS SAY because we work on a case by case basis.
Thanks I'm going to have to call you back.
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Oh hell no.
omg my touch also overheats, thanks for informing
Sorry not very constructive post I know but, .....yet another example of p*ss poor HTC manufacturing.
I'm glad I returned my Diamond to the ebay seller I bought it from here in the UK under the "Sales Of Goods Act". At least here in the UK we have proper laws protecting us against this sort of thing, in America your f*cked.
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(decided to be a little more constructive)
OK here you go for you UK people (at least I can give you an idea). Sales of Goods Act says that a product must be of "merchantable quality" and it must be "fit for purpose". This issue you guys describes falls under both of these.
1 - Merchantable quality: The device must be of sufficient quality for the price i.e. Cars/motorbikes for example are covered under this for 6 six years - ignore warranty, these are pretty much irrelevant when you compare it to the sales of goods act. The same goes for your phone. Now, its unreasonable to expect a phone to last 6 years however, as many people buy phones on an 18month contract its perfectly acceptable to expect the device to last 18 months. IF IT FAILS IN THIS TIME THROUGH A HARDWARE FAULT AND HAS NOT BEEN MISTREATED, you can return it and ask them to repair it at no cost to yourself. If they don't, take them to small claims court. YOU MUST ask them first though.
2 - Fit for purpose: The phone has a GPS and can be charged whilst on. The device is designed to be used as a navigation tool. If you cannot charge the phone AND use the GPS (i.e. car charger/navigation) then it is NOT FIT FOR THE PURPOSE it was designed for. Note, ANY function the phone can perform and was designed to do, no matter how minor, is covered by this act. You have every right to return the phone for a refund if its unable to perform its designed for functions.
Link regarding Sales of Goods Act
Salient points:
• Wherever goods are bought they must "conform to contract". This means they must be as described, fit for purpose and of satisfactory quality (i.e. not inherently faulty at the time of sale).<<<=== GPS/Overheating issues
• Aspects of quality include fitness for purpose, freedom from minor defects (this would include your GPS/Charging issue), appearance and finish, durability (you must be able to put the phone to your ear without fear of bending the screen) and safety.
I have used the Sales Of Goods act many times and will continue to. Some examples, I returned my Tdiamond to its ebay seller as it wouldn't play music without skipping. I had an argument with my Aprilia dealer regarding my bike (check sig). They insisted it was out of warranty and they wouldn't repair a fault - I then forced the SHOP to repair it under Sales of Goods.
I urge all UK purchases to look up these rules for yourself and look into this. You ARE covered. Return it to the reseller and give them a chance to resolve. Make manufacturers of sh*tty equipment learn that we will not tolerate it.
Monty I couldn't agree with you more about using the Sale of Goods Act. The attempt at 'distancing' themselves from the products they sell, as well as the arrogance inflicted on consumers, by too many retailers, is appalling.
Still the Depression that's coming is going to sort them out in spades, that's for sure, and the Customer will be returned to their proper place in the hierarchy - the top.
You didn't seriously buy a second Aprilia did you? I do love their designs, but after sorting out a lot of problems with my friends Futura (could have been the best touring bike ever that, if not spoiled by chronically underspec wiring, lack of earthing, stuff like that), I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole.
These days I'm sort of superglued to a Honda Hornet 900 (and a little P'd off that Mr Honda has stopped making it) - the 919 as it is known in the States. Possibly the best allround bike I've ever owned. I'd cheerfully jump on that bike and go anywhere, and know it would get me there and also get me back. Also have an amazing V twin as well - a Honda Bros 650 (Hawk in the States), and a PoS BMW (I'll never buy one of them again).
Happy biking mate.
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Still the Depression that's coming is going to sort them out in spades, that's for sure, and the Customer will be returned to their proper place in the hierarchy - the top.....
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Indeed... now is the Darwin time for shops and business.... adapt or collapse.
Maybe this is the time companies like HTC who produce "luxury" items that are poorly made will start suffering and well, either adapt or die.
(and yes I did and it has actually been pretty good even though i'm doing 100miles a day!)
My girlfriend has sent her phone back to Vodafone twice now due to overheating.
It gets progressivly worse each time until the phone gets stuck on the "HTC" white screen.
The problem there is that we send it back, They flash it and they send it back as "Working"
If it happens this time I'm going to demand a new phone because I've had enough!
My BlackStone/Touch HD
Have also a newton Ring... But you can´t see it a lot of times.. But sometimes on really strong sun you can see it when you are looking from another angle
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LONG VERSION:
Well when I first got my idol 3 on May 23rd the first thing I did before turning it on was to install a cheap plastic screen protector. I then turned it on, played with it and poured over the outside of the phone. Build seemed good. The only area I genuinely disliked was the design choice laying the glass screen on TOP of the frame/bezels. It looks nice but I thought at the time, 'makes me worry about dropping it, even with a case'. I always use TPU cases with no problems and installed it on the idol. Today my screen shattered. I did not drop the phone (haven't dropped it once in the 3+ weeks I've owned it). I did not bump into anything. The phone was in my side pocket of my work pants (not 'skinny' jeans I wear loose pants/jeans. Side rant: no disrespect to the hipsters but skinny jeans are not in my vocabulary, I don't know anyone that looks good in them ) while I drove from work around the corner to Wegmans (grocery store). Got in the store and pulled out my phone only to see a shattered screen. I thought it was my tempered screen protector ( I put that on a few days after getting the phone once they were in stock) until I noticed I couldn't use the bottom 2/3 of the touchscreen. Digitizer was shot. Ugh. Looking back the only point I can think of where any pressure was applied to the screen would be when I got out of the car and my pants probably tightened when pivoting off the seat. Seriously. That's it. I must have done the same thing 2 dozen times as I almost always go to Wegmans after work and since it's so close I leave the phone in my pocket (loose pockets!!). Afterwards while driving home I always put the phone in it's holster on the dash. I got home and pulled the tempered glass off (incidentally the glass protector is fine..) and took a closer look. Remember "Bendgate" with the 6-plus? Yeah my phone is also ever so slightly bent as well. I baby the hell out of my phone, not a scratch or nick anywhere on the body. I'm so disappointed. I absolutely love this phone and yesterday I would rate alcatel/the phone a 4.5 out of 5 for a stellar product with few issues (obv. the pervasive DT2W issue). But after today I strongly believe they messed up their design by putting the glass on top of the frame and not embedded within the bezels like almost every other phone out there. I'm preparing my email to alcatel now in hopes I get something from them but I know they have no reason to believe my story as to how this happened. I don't believe my actions were a result of misuse by any means as I've owned plenty of smartphones without ever breaking one. I don't expect anything from Alcatel but I seriously hope their next iteration of this phone will be better protected. I'm creating this thread as a warning to all the other owners out there that you need to be very careful handling this phone, If a simple motion such as this can result in a broken screen then I'm sure that a drop will be just as bad even with a tempered glass protector. So everyone PLEASE be careful! Personally I am distrustful of the device's build quality now and will hang on to this until I can buy a replacement screen/digitizer and attempt to replace it myself ( a review on Amazon a few days ago mentioned that screen replacement costs $150, almost the price I paid for the thing) though I will wait to hear back from Alcatel. I'll try to upload a couple pics of the phone, but really all you'll see is an otherwise pristine phone with a broken screen and the leftover residue from my tempered protector (now removed). Ugh, this sucks
Short Version:
My screen broke while in my pocket from minimal to barely moderate pressure and is also now bent, ala #Bendgate. WTF
I can't believe this phone broke that easy, it was either a defective phone or its just fragile. I'm really thinking of returning this phone since it has so many things to it.
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I hope it was just a dud for everyone else's sake, problem is I don't expect Alcatel to replace it under warranty and I'm not willing to spend 75% of what I paid for it on a new screen. THe other issues are minor to me personally, with DT2W being the biggest annoyance. I barely get any lag with animations on top speed and nova launcher and I'm satisfied with the camera for the price point. My previous phone, the HTC One m7 was great until it got the lollipop 5.02 update and then lagged like crazy so I truly believe performance issues will be resolved with an update/root. I'm really devastated this broke so easily as the screen size/front speakers were exactly what I wanted in a phone, not to mention the great battery life I get vs. old phone.
Dang I have a tpu case and tempered glass but I'm scared now lol thinking of returning and getting a OPO
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I seriously considered the opo but for me band support was paramount. I wonder if a hard case would be better for this phone, I know they're harder on the body but would presumably give a bit more structure for the phone. OT, I finally have a use for the reversible feature as it allows me to type on the phone and open most apps flipping the thing upside down over and over :/
Hopefully its not a defect to all phones. I only have till Monday to figure out if I want to return it
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I hope it was just a dud for everyone else's sake, problem is I don't expect Alcatel to replace it under warranty and I'm not willing to spend 75% of what I paid for it on a new screen. THe other issues are minor to me personally, with DT2W being the biggest annoyance. I barely get any lag with animations on top speed and nova launcher and I'm satisfied with the camera for the price point. My previous phone, the HTC One m7 was great until it got the lollipop 5.02 update and then lagged like crazy so I truly believe performance issues will be resolved with an update/root. I'm really devastated this broke so easily as the screen size/front speakers were exactly what I wanted in a phone, not to mention the great battery life I get vs. old phone.
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Have you approached Alcatel to see if they will replace the device/display under warranty? Clearly you did not do anything out of the ordinary - drop it to knock it against something - so they *should* replace it, and if not, you should be able to take it up with your credit card company. I feel sorry for your situation. I got my phone for $200, have no problems except the lag ( and more recently more frequent d2w issues ) - and I am waiting for something like you to happen to me. At that time I will have to take it up with Alcatel , because I certainly want to keep the device, for its bright screen and loud speakers alone, for the $200 I paid.
Electronics are not flawless articles - but my suggestion would be give Alcatel support a chance. This will also tell all of us, how good their support really is. Abt 4 years back, I was one of the lucky ones that got in on the $99 HP Touchpad sweepstakes - and right after I got it, the display panel started malfunctioning. So I took it up with HP and they sent me a prepaid box - and had me ship the tablet back to them - and returned it to me after replacing the display. Since that day, that device has been a workhorse for me - Best $90 I ever spent on a piece of electronics. So my point is - sometimes - your immediate experience will be negative - but it is worth give it another chance. And these days, usually your CC company will come to your rescue in such matters.
Oh absolutely. I guess I wasn't very clear about that but I'm retelling my story with them. I certainly hope they do something about it, I just have my doubts.I'll have to read through the terms on my credit card, can't remember if I used Amex or Discover for it.. but I thought you just got an extended warranty through them, no?
Ok I sent out my lengthy email to Alcatel just now, so I'll update this thread when I hear back from them. Also I looked into my purchase and I did use Discover which includes 90-days device coverage including broken screens so I'm covered in case Alcatel doesn't come through. Thanks stl1859, I would not have remembered that if you didn't mention it.
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Short Version:
My screen broke while in my pocket from minimal to barely moderate pressure and is also now bent, ala #Bendgate. WTF
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many of todays phones has this 2.5D corners, so bad luck...it happens. I got ZTE V5, felt many times so i bought screen protector shield (plastic, not foil) and rugged back cover...anyway felt from 50cm to the ceramic tiles and got broken screen..it happens ...**** happens. Hope you will get osme satisfactory. And minimal to barely moderate pressure, really? Do you think that his would someone believe?
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many of todays phones has this 2.5D corners, so bad luck...it happens. I got ZTE V5, felt many times so i bought screen protector shield (plastic, not foil) and rugged back cover...anyway felt from 50cm to the ceramic tiles and got broken screen..it happens ...**** happens. Hope you will get osme satisfactory. And minimal to barely moderate pressure, really? Do you think that his would someone believe?
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I know it's hard to believe, I have a hard time believing it. Which is precisely why I posted about this. And yes it was minimal to moderate pressure. I did not drop the device, it was in my pocket and I didn't bump into anything. The only pressure exerted was from my pants as I shifted to the left to get out of the car. I've certainly been fortunate over the years to have never broken a screen; I've dropped my previous phones a handful of times, even rolled over one while it was in my pocket. If any of those things would have happened and resulted in a broken screen/bent phone I wouldn't be posting here.. I expect that outcome in those situations. Also no I don't expect Alcatel to believe me, which is why I was so worried about spending my money on a device only to have it fail in this manner. Thankfully due to the suggestion of another member I will be covered thanks to my CC company.
You are still going to try getting a replacement from Alcatel, right ? I am really interested in knowing how efficient they are in handling repair/exchanges.
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You are still going to try getting a replacement from Alcatel, right ? I am really interested in knowing how efficient they are in handling repair/exchanges.
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Yes, I'm currently waiting on them. Since I submitted the support email going into the weekend I'm giving them through Monday to reply before I start calling them.
Well, As expected.. BTW the phone number listed is not valid. Had to initiate claims online at alcatel.finetw.com Customer care didn't care (haha) how the phone broke, though I wouldn't expect them to. I'll include a copy of my original email with the phone so that hopefully the tech at least takes a look at the strength of the phone.
Dear xxxxxx,
Thank you for getting in touch with us. We understand your concern and we will be happy to assist you. Unfortunately with physical damaged the warranty gets void, so you can contact the repair center and ask how much they will charge you to fix device, the phone number is 496-484-6610..
Best regards,
ALCATEL ONETOUCH
First, that is a pathetic response. With that kind of attitude, they are not going to gain many customers. Second, I don't think that is a valid statement at all. Defects can cause 'physical damage'. It is a piece of electronics after all . If they are not covering 'physical damage' - what are they covering - emotional damage !!!
They probably meant physical *abuse* - which in your case - there was none. So I do not think they have grounds to decline warranty. It appears that they are simply assuming there was 'physical abuse' . Let me ask you - did you explain the incident - to the level of detail that you did over here ? ( meaning how it was in your pant's pocket - and how there might have been some pressure when you tried to get out of your vehicle , etc etc. ) - Or did you simply tell them that you discovered the screen to be shattered one fine day when you took it out of your pocket ?
Are you still engaging with them, or are you going to go to your CC company now ? I am disappointed with their support. Clearly, the only way they can sell anything if they keep pricing their products dirt cheap. Even then, I would think twice before buying from them.
I'm just thinking that this is going to be my last Alcatel product if I even decide to keep it. This support is pretty bad.
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I keep mine in jeans, including skinny jeans and don't have these issues. It doesn't have much give so I have to position it in the pocket with the least pressure points. I would expect screen separation before screen cracking since it is plastic. I have had issue when its hot the double tap to wake will turn on the lock screen and dial contacts if the pocket is big enough for it to move around. So far I am impressed with dragontrail being less prone to fingerprints, but I do everything to avoid scratches and cracks short of a screen protector so take that into consideration.
i dont think any brand will buy your story even if its true. any physical dmg will become a user end fault no matter which product you purchase since theres no way to prove its their manufacturing fault when its physical defect and the end user is using it.
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This is really the crux of it. And why I said I did not expect them to do anything. The only way to uncover a design flaw IMO is if this starts happening a lot (like bendgate.. well maybe not a lot in that case but some people showing on video how easily it bent). Also yes I went into great detail about the when/where/how the device broke. I also included the details with the phone, imploring the tech to at least look at the device to determine if there's a structural weak point or something. Sorry I took so long to reply, I've been getting my backup device (LG Leon.. ok phone for price but slooooow) setup and haven't been to the site in a few days.
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i dont think any brand will buy your story even if its true. any physical dmg will become a user end fault no matter which product you purchase since theres no way to prove its their manufacturing fault when its physical defect and the end user is using it.
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Yeah I'm going through the CC company now. Interestingly I had to pay $40 to send the device back listing the screen as broken, so maybe (knock on wood) it won't be as expensive after all
I am not sure if this is the right subreddit for this kind of legal advice but if you can help me out, I'd be really grateful.
I love my OnePlusP7 Pro (my phone) and as much as I hate to say this, I am never going to buy another OP again.
I was using CyberLink PowerDirector to edit a video for my sister's birthday. Little did I know that I was committing a blunder. While editing, the lower bottom of the screen started flickering bright green (by this time I was used to it because it had happened before) but this time was different, the flickering didn't stop and it was stuck. The lower half of my screen looks like Shrek's ass right now. The screen also has dead pixels right beside the alert slider
I panicked, but gave it a day, thinking it will be fine. It didn't. That's when I decided to send the device to the nearest OP Service Center which is about 347 miles (558 km) away. They took my device on the 6th of November.
Today is the 10th of November and I received a call from the service engineer saying that my device has SIX dents on the frame and that is why the screen repair will not be covered in the warranty. To make it clear, I do not have SIX dents on my device. There are 2-3 tops, and that too, insignificant. They say that the frame is the part of the screen and the dents on the frame void my warranty. I tried my best to explain that it is a hardware issue (which he didn't seem to know) and that I wanted to talk to the manager. He said he will reach me tomorrow.
Friends, I feel helpless, the device is less than a year old, I don't know what to do. Can he even dismiss the repair request of the screen's hardware issue due to insignificant dents on the frame? Help me out here. I don't know what I can do.
I feel that they are trying to fool me. Can I take the matter to Consumer Protection? If yes, how?
"There are 2-3 tops, and that too, insignificant" they gave you reason why they didn't do anything and you just admitted. It's not that refused they fix but they found a valid reason that should be written in warrenty. If you have dents etc it voids
I've seen insignificant pressure from dents in the frames on many devices cause screen issues. From the pressures applied to them