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I haven't seen anyone come up with a good description of what emoze does yet, so I thought I'd contribute my own, and compare it to web2mail. emoze is in fact much more than just a pushmail service, it constantly is updating all aspects of Outlook (email, calender, tasks, ect). Changes occur almost instantaneously (<5 seconds via EDGE, i've timed it). Delete an email of your PPC, it deletes off of your computer. Change a meeting time on your computer, it changes instantly on your PPC. Everything remains in perfect sync at all times, as long as you have an internet connection on both ends. To reduce battery drain, you can switch to a periodic sync (every so many minutes), but obviously changes and email won't show up as fast then. Regular pop email pisses me off because there's no good way to reply to email you recieved through activesync. Emoze solves this. The only other way I know of to get this sort of service is to be a large business with a big, expensive MS Exchange server. If you manage your life with Outlook like I do, I highly reccomend this software. It works right out of the box (even though there's no box nowdays), just install the desktop PC software, install the PPC software, and it goes.
mail2web has most of the same features, with a few significant difference. It has better attatchment size (100mb) versus emoze's 1mb limit. However, the kicker for me is that you must use a mail2web email address ([email protected]), along with mail2web's desktop email client, to utilize mail2web. Emoze lets you keep your current email address, and your current desktop email client, giving you nothing to relearn, and better protection if emoze/web2mail were to go bankrupt and disappear overnight. Unfortunately, Emoze doesn't support all email clients, although they're working on it, so mail2web might be the way to go if you're running, say, lotus domino. I haven't actually used mail2web, so if I missed any advantages they might have, feel free to post.
Both services are free, so go ahead and try 'em. I have yet to recieve any spam from emoze. Don't know about mail2web though.
Emoze: http://www.emoze.com/en/HomePage.html
mail2web: http://services.mail2web.com/FreeServices/m2wLive/
odd first post wonder who he works for :lol:
the main reason I am using Mail2web and not emoze is because mail2web does not require me to have my own PC on 24/7 nor installing any client on my PC. Peace out
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the main reason I am using Mail2web and not emoze is because mail2web does not require me to have my own PC on 24/7 nor installing any client on my PC. Peace out
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Good point. That's a big plus for mail2web. Do you know some way to reply to your mail that makes it seem like you're using your normal email instead of a mail2web email address? I'd definitely switch if I could figure out a good way to do that.
You can do that, but you have to pay for it. That's how they get you to pay them.
does emoze support html mail? free mail2web accounts don't, because they have only exchange server 2003 running.
emoze has a pc client (outlook plugin?) which syncs over internet with the mobile version of emoze on my ppc? this is an advantage and a disadvantage:
the disadvantage has been mentioned - the pc has to run all the time.
but on the other side you are able to sync your mobile and your pc over air.
with free mail2web accounts you can only sync your ppc with the exchange server.
the mail2web email address is not really bad: within the settings of my usual mail account (arcor) i added a filter, which redirects a copy of every incoming mail to my mail2web account. that is not the finest solution, but better than nothing.
emoze battery issues vs mail2web activesync
i had emoze on my hp 6965 and on my htc x7500 and it works very nicely
the only few problems ive had is battery dies within 4-5 hours if the sync is allways on
also if you have pictures associated with your contacts it dosent transfer them back and forth i found, mail2web has no problem doing this
it really was nice to be able to push gmail over the air and have my desktop and ppc synced at the same time but if your pc looses connection ur off the air until you get to it and fix it.
mail2web is great since it keeps your battery life very long (i can have it on all day with about 2 hrs of talktime and about 20-30 emails a day) and still have about 30% left by the time i get home or to my car to charge it again,
but when you reply to messeges it dosent use the gmail address, which sux badly since i want it to use gmail,
the advanteges are you can hard reset your device and not worry about your info being lost or having to get home and save it its just allways on the server, which i like knowing all my data is safe,
ive looked into several other programs like pusheffect and i just couldent get it going so i uninstalled it,
the only other programs i found recently is the seven beta program, i downloaded it to my device and installed it even tho it says wm5 only supported, i had no problems running it on my wm6 unit, it works like a charm
and i get both my gmails, and my work email on it
my current setup is mail2web synced with activesync on my x7500 and seven for my gmails and work email,
also, the seven beta program does not notify you once an email comes in with any audio or the messege icon, it just shows
" [email protected] 1 unread"
so you have to keep looking at your unit from time to time to see if you have email,
push works great, alltho it seems like from time it takes it about 5 min's to get a messege,
I have frequent problems with mail2web
I have all mail forwarded to my gmail, then I have gmail forward everything to mail2web. Gmail frequently reports bounced messages sent to m2w. I'm going to try emoze. I suspect it will be a lot better. Since I have two machines (media server and tor box) on all the time anyway, that's no big deal for me, but there are other advantages to doing so.
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the only other programs i found recently is the seven beta program, i downloaded it to my device and installed it even tho it says wm5 only supported, i had no problems running it on my wm6 unit, it works like a charm
and i get both my gmails, and my work email on it
my current setup is mail2web synced with activesync on my x7500 and seven for my gmails and work email,
also, the seven beta program does not notify you once an email comes in with any audio or the messege icon, it just shows
" [email protected] 1 unread"
so you have to keep looking at your unit from time to time to see if you have email,
push works great, alltho it seems like from time it takes it about 5 min's to get a messege,
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Thanks for the heads up for the Seven Beta, just signed up and have now stopped forwarding my gmail to my mail2web account, they can now function as two separate items with push on both. As for seven not notifying me when new mail arrives, i can live with that.
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Just sent a test email to both accounts, mail2web won by 1 minute and the PPC went beep for each message
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You can do that, but you have to pay for it. That's how they get you to pay them.
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Could you elaborate on this? I don't mind paying, but how would I set it up?
This may be old news to some but new news to others.
As you may know your WM5 and WM6 device can do a wireless sync with Exchange and offers blackberry style 'push' email.
To do this you need a configured Exchange server and for most this can be expensive or impossible to do yourself.
But there is hope, and its free.
www.mail2web.com offers FREE hosted exchange email. The only thing is you get a little add banner along the top but apart from that its corporate style exchange for free. Whats more it comes with OWA enabled also free of charge.
You can even set it to pull email from other POP3 email accounts.
You can access your mail via the web or POP3/IMAP4 clients.
For around 80p a month you can upgrade to their Plus service, this allows you to have the outgoing FROM: address to be your own. For me I use it to send mail from my personal domain.
So the upgrade is well worth it given the other extra features you get.
But take a look at the free service. I first switched a while ago as ntlworld.com has really crap webmail. So got a free account and just forwarded it all to mail2web.com for full outlook wonder.
I think this is a useful tip as I couldnt find anyone else offering free push enabed services.
alternative
Since this service is goint to cost next month, does anyone have a alternative?
I tried windows live, but it doesnt push emails instantly nor does ita have calender and contacts synchronisation :/
I've been trying to find a good new solution as well.
I'm currently trying out emoze, which is an app that allows you to configure push email (with certain service providers). It WORKS, but it doesn't allow full folder sync with gmail, so it's not quite as useful as true push from my IMAP gmail account would be.
seven is another.
I tried mail2web and was unimpressed though all our domains are there now. It wouldn't push html email.
I'd search out a provider that offers IMAP idle but Flexmail is the only app on the WM side to support it.
Hello,
I am a PocketPC user, and I want to completely reorganize the way I am using my private emails, contact & calendar !
I would like to manipulate my data (email, contact & calendar), on the PocketPC AND online on the Web.
Which solution email/contact/calendar solution do you recommend me ?
I have listed these solutions (do you know other possibilities ?):
- Google and Zoho PIM suite: The good, it is online and free. The bad is that there is no way to sync them with the PocketPC.
- Microsoft Exchange: The good, it is on the Pocket PC. The bad, it is costs money.
chris
I use Yahoo. Sync device with Outlook; Outlook and device always the same. Outlook syncs with Yahoo contacts, calendar, etc via Intellisync. So I have a nice backup of everything on Yahoo, can still access things on Yahoo mobile or Yahoo full web.
Outlook on Desktop.
pOutlook on Device.
Yahoo Intellisync to sync Yahoo and Outlook.
Sync Device to Outlook, Outlook to Yahoo.
However this takes mental energy to remember which will be the home to the 'correct' info. So if you edit things in Yahoo, on your phone and in Outlook without first syncing everythign, you can run into issues.
I recently moved to a Service Desk software for my business. It is a served application and I just go to the WWW address to get all the info. Interent dependent though...and web browsing is slow when under the gun...
I also know that if you use the Yahoo mobile plugin system that you pretty much just work from within that shell. Its good for some. I guess it is called Y! Go. I had it on my 8125 and it worked well, a bit slow on the 8125.
I didn't know about this Yahoo sync system. I will have a look at it.
If I understand your feedback, what you are missing is: the need to sync your contacts/calendar directly online from your PocketPC. That's right ?
I do agree with you, the best solution would be to be able to sync online all your applications, that ís the application on the PocketPC (POutlook) and the application on the PC (Outlook).
As far as I know, only Microsoft Exchange is offering this possibility. But it costs quite a lot..
Chris
Google Apps and mail2web
I really like googlemail, and actually use google apps for domains to manage a couple of domain names. I've set up Outlook using IMAP to connect to these accounts but do not schedule mail download. This allows me to easily send emails from my account.
I've then set up mail forwarding within googlemail to a free mail2web account, that is in effect Exchange. This is set up as a push account within Outlook(works really well). Within googlemail I have a rule setup to archive mails once they are forwarded, this gives me a clean inbox should I wish to bring up the IMAP connection to view archived mail.
Could anyone using MS Exchange, give a feedback about this solution ?
Nick, why don't you just use your MS Exchange account (mail2web) ? it seems to me that you don't need to have a gmail account.
Chris
With Mail2web I can only reply and send mails as [email protected]
If I want to send an email from my own domain I need to do it through my Google Apps for Domains setup.
If mail2web could handle personal domains it would be fine. Google do a really good job of this with regard to MX records and reverse dns lookups.
Hosted Exchange would be a nice solution: admitted it costs a few euros per month (6 here) but you get a mailbox which WinMo directly syncs with (without any dirty hacks, plugins and stuff) plus a quite nice webmail/calendaring/collaboration environment (Outlook Web Access).
According to your post, it seems that MS Exchange is actually the only "clean" (=acceptable) way to have the possibility to have your email/contact/calendar on your PocketPC and online.
So, I definitely need to have a look at the offers to see how much it is. Do you know a comparison table of the different companies offering Exchange hosting ?
Nick, i understand now why you still use Google. I do think you can use your own domain with Exchange thought. Maybe not with mail2web.com , but other competitors probably offer this.
How much do you pay for your hosted Exchange ?
spone1, I agree with your conclusion. Which Exchange hosting provider do you use ?
Chris
Mail2web is free!! You may as well sign-up just to see how Push/Active Sync works.
So 95% of the benefits of Exchange (active sync, Outlook Web access etc.) but just no domain hosting. I don't have that many mails that I need to reply to from my domain when I am out and about, so it's really not that big a deal for me to quickly switch accounts when I need to. I'm sure I could get hosted Exchange including a domain or two, but I'd expect it would be between £50 and £100 pounds a year, and wouldn't really give me that much benefit.
But the benefit of having push email is great. ActiveSync does seem to occassional have trouble connecting if my connection type changes through the day. Eg, I connect via WIFI at home, then in the car the phone will pick up 3G, thn by the time I'm at work I'm down to GPRS, at some locations in work I can pick up WIFI again and then for the return journey etc. It can be fixed be manually synchronising to get things running again, but that does kind of defeats the object of push email.
Another alternative is to run your own mail server. It doesn't have to be MS Exchange, there are other that are compatible. But this seems a little like too much hard work without much benefit.
Don't forget that you can use Google with any domain by using Google Apps.
They currently handle MX records for my Domain.
Yeah, Google apps is great, and would be perfect for me if it could handle push email. IMAP isn't the end of the World, just not as slick.
Google apps is my primary mail handler. In effect all mail2web is doing for me is adding push capability
Cloud winmo now
I have a setup that works great for me.
I use a beta (free) service mobipush for push gmail. http://www.mobipush.com/
I use remember the milk for tasks that can be a plugin in google calendar and sync wirelessly with your outlook mobile tasks.
https://www.rememberthemilk.com/
(there is a gadget to add RTM to your gmail screen and intergrated into google calendar.)
I use ogg sync for syncing contacts and calendar.
http://oggsync.com/
Something extra!!!
I also us Jott to add via voice tasks and calendar events to remember the milk and google calendar when I can't type. i.e. when driving.
http://jott.com
This system gives me the cloud experiance of a google phone with the power of a winmo device
I used 4smartphone.net hosted Exchange and before that I'd been using Intellisync for over-the-air sync with Lotus Domino. Intellisync solution was a good one as it provided rather comprehensive sync options. However, I'd been using it few years ago, so I don't really know whether this solution is still available (looks like Nokia had bought Intellisync).
Exchange solution is great for its native support, but lacks few features (like separate folders support and OTA sync for notes).
I think that hosted Exchange 2007 is the preferred option.
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With Mail2web I can only reply and send mails as [email protected]
If I want to send an email from my own domain I need to do it through my Google Apps for Domains setup.
If mail2web could handle personal domains it would be fine. Google do a really good job of this with regard to MX records and reverse dns lookups.
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I have my personal domain stuza.com pointing to my mail2web.com account and I love it. Works superbly. I can edit calender/contacts and it changes automaticaly on the mail2web server. Also saves a bucketload of time should you decide to flash your phone - you simply give it your email address and it goes away and autoconfigures the exchange settings and then pulls all your contacts/schedule data down. All my mail comes into [email protected] and goes out from [email protected] .... frickin sweet.
I will never live again without an exchange solution.
edit: dont know if it makes a diference but i have a paid mail2web account
Has anybody tried funambol.com? It is an open source project that I recently found. I haven't tested it with the exception of email but it does have contacts and calendar components. I hope it works for you!
gottago
Sprint Touch w/ WM 6.1
windows live mail
windows live mail works just like exchange, syncing calendar, mail, contacts...etc
Push mail works easily and without any setup. Usually it comes with wm6 phones, but you can also install the cab found on the forum.
Xilicon said:
windows live mail works just like exchange, syncing calendar, mail, contacts...etc
Push mail works easily and without any setup. Usually it comes with wm6 phones, but you can also install the cab found on the forum.
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Okay my age is probably getting in the way, but don't you have to use Outlook to synch calendar? Has there been an upgrade to Windows Live Mail or something else I may be missing?
gottago
Sprint Touch w/ WM 6.1
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Has anybody tried funambol.com? It is an open source project that I recently found. I haven't tested it with the exception of email but it does have contacts and calendar components. I hope it works for you!
gottago
Sprint Touch w/ WM 6.1
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Further on funambol.com and to the original poster's request. Funambol has it's own web site that will serve to pull/push email and contacts with GMail. I don't use the calendar on Gmail so I can not address that but Funambol provides you a myfunambol web page that will consolidate your email/contacts as well as any calendar/tasks/notes/briefcase on your PPC. So, in effect, you can go to your myfunambol page and see your email, contacts, calendar, etc. all in one place on the web as well as on your PPC. Funambol provides flexibility as to what it actually synchs so you remain in control. While you can schedule your synch times, it also has the option of synching on a 'push' basis. I will admit that this capability is not necessarily perfect at this point but it is clearly being worked on.
This is a great solution for me as I do not use Outlook (too cheap to buy) or Internet Explorer on my PC. I use Thunderbird/Lightning and Firefox. There is a Funambol plugin for Thunderbird that works well.
NOTE: I have no affiliation with Funambol other than as a user of this one product.
gottago
Sprint Touch w/WM 6.1
Hi all
I did a search but it came up with nothing which I thought was odd
What Spam programs are you guys using to controll spam on you Topaz/TD2
I dont want to waste my limited data connection on downloading Spam
Cheers porridge
good one porridge!
no probs on outlook but on TD2, it is a disaster!
what do you guys recommend?
I too would be interested in this as the delete from server function doesn't seem to work properly either like it did on my old Kaiser, deletes it first time round but on subsequent send/receive they're all retrieved again!
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Hi People
Most people filter their mail for spammage within their mail hosting environment - For example, I synchronise from Googlemail (using IMAP4) and Google filter the crud for me, and from an Exchange Server, where the mail gets passed through Websense hosted email first. However you do the filtering, you need to do it either on the mailbox or before it gets to your mailbox (better). Any Spam filter on the WinMo would have to retrieve the message to rate it and either burn it or deliver it, leaving you no better off.
If you can advise on how your current email is received (from exchange/pop3/imap4 e.t.c.) and if its a personal, corporate or hosted mail service, I may be able to advise how best to approach it.
As Digital.Diablo is saying...
You should have your mails filtered before they reach your device.
I have a hotmail account and an exchange server account syncronized with my TD2, and I don't get any spam on either account.
- well, maybe one on very rare occations, but nothing to write home about.
On my hotmail account, Microsoft is doing the filtering for me and on the exhange one, some spam-filter-software installed on the server itself is doing it's job...
Anyone else found the stock mail appto be a complete pos?
I understand that the Surface RT is more a "Home" device than a "Work" one but still, a better mail app is needed, hell I've even settle on Outlook Express than this lol...
what specifically are you not liking about it? "pos" isn't very useful feedback.
It seems to handle multiple accounts OK - my suggestions:
unified inbox
message preview on/off
image download on/off
Unified Inbox is the number one feature I would like to have in the Mail app.
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Anyone else found the stock mail appto be a complete pos?
I understand that the Surface RT is more a "Home" device than a "Work" one but still, a better mail app is needed, hell I've even settle on Outlook Express than this lol...
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It is junk, especially coming from the people who created Outlook. POP3 support is the biggest issue. I thought by now we would see an update, but no go
guitar1969 said:
It is junk, especially coming from the people who created Outlook. POP3 support is the biggest issue. I thought by now we would see an update, but no go
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I thought by now pop3 would be dead. Horrible protocol for mail
Hello,
i miss a "reading confirmation" for sendet items.
also i think the app has a big failure in syncing imap-directorys.
so on my "surface rt" or my desktop "windows 8 pro 64bit" i have the following issues.
- not all directorys are synct.
(i think there must be a restriction to the count of directorys, becouse new emails in the exist directorys are synct correct.
i have only a overall of 20 root-directory and a 222 down-under-directorys
i missing a count of 14 root-directorys with 71 down-under-directorys
can anyone confirm a restriction of syncing a count of directorys???
For me, the killer lack is the complete inability to send plain text. Too many automated systems, and a few of the people I'm in touch with, can't handle HTML email. Given the simplicity of supporting plain text vs. supporting HTML, it's a very annoying thing to not have.
I also really wish there was some support for user filters. Full integration with Exchange (server-side filters) would be great, but I'd settle for (a lot) less to have anything at all.
The inability to view the compose message window along with any other window at the same time is very annoying. I get that on a low-res display this might be difficult, but while the app is very good at scaling its display as resolution decreases on something like my Surface (right down to being usable while side-snapped!) it's terrible at using the resolution on my desktop.
I'm not experiencing any issues with the mail app. I use Hotmail, so I can set up filters at the Outlook.com website. I have a filter set up to route job-related mails into a specific folder and that's working well. Outlook.com also handles my sender blocking. I have a few folders and they all sync fine. I can view the "compose email" dialogue side-snapped on my surface without difficulty. It's not the most full featured app ever but there's nothing I need to do that I can't. *shrug*.
I think if there's one feature I'd like, it would be to be able to highlight a spam message and select "block future emails from this domain/address" to save me needing to do that on outlook.com
The only thing I now use the Outlook desktop app for is a weekly download & offline backup of my emails.
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I thought by now pop3 would be dead. Horrible protocol for mail
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I agree but unfortunately some big providers still only offer it, like Roadrunner Mail(time warner). I understand the argument to set up a gmail account but MS should be all about flexibility and shouldn't dictate what email service we can use with their devices.
I personally use email pretty much all day every day, for a Microsoft app, it lacks so many features. As a simple start, flagging emails, every email client and their dog can flag emails and show flagged emails, the mail app however can't, its not exactly rocket Science!
Secondly, as mentioned before hand the lack of plain text emails.
The fact it isn't integrated in any way with the calendar, I mean I don't expect a complete replacement for outlook, but even windows phone applications can do these simple things, so why doesn't windows 8 get possibly the worst excuse for a mail app I've ever used?
I only managed to get the built-in Mail app to sync with my Gmail once, after that it throws generic connection errors. It was slow and obnoxious to use, I gave up and just use the web mail interface.
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I understand that the Surface RT is more a "Home" device than a "Work" one but still, a better mail app is needed, hell I've even settle on Outlook Express than this lol...
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I put my gmail accounts on the surface mail app and all I want is the "send mail as" option.
When you open a new email you will find your email adress in the left bottom corner. and there is also the possibility to use an another email adress.
@feygor: I agree in general, but there is actually some calendar integration. You can receive calendar invites via the mail app, and respond to them (yes/tentative/no). It's not perfect but it's no worse than on my phone, so far as I can tell, in terms of *that* feature.
Now, the lack of support for flagging (or, especially, the Importance flags)... that's annoying. You can't even filter the mail list to show only the unread messages! That's an option out of the box on WP7...
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I personally use email pretty much all day every day, for a Microsoft app, it lacks so many features. As a simple start, flagging emails, every email client and their dog can flag emails and show flagged emails, the mail app however can't, its not exactly rocket Science!
Secondly, as mentioned before hand the lack of plain text emails.
The fact it isn't integrated in any way with the calendar, I mean I don't expect a complete replacement for outlook, but even windows phone applications can do these simple things, so why doesn't windows 8 get possibly the worst excuse for a mail app I've ever used?
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I agree its not a full featured mail client - it's the first release of the windows 8 store (gag) mail client. There's nothing saying it can't grow into something better, or even that other clients that are better won't show up in the store. As an "adjunct" email client its good enough for now - given I have my phone with me always and it "owns" my calendar, I can manage it there. The calendar sync does work fine with my various calendars, at least
Give it a rev or two. You may not remember the first versions of email and calendar in iOS, but I do. Yeah, they sucked pretty bad too.
Yeah, it's poor enough that I have to use webmail for all my non-Exchange accounts. Kind of sad that my phone is better for email triage than the Surface.
I'm actually tempted to write a new mail app. I have some POP3 and IMAP code sitting around from a few years ago when I was writing a replacement mail client for WM 6.5, so if I get a chance, might see if I can use some of that.
@amb9800: That would be great. It should even be possible to publish it on the store; MS seems willing to let people duplicate the functionality of built-in apps, and the required Capabilities already exist (really, just network access and File Picker, with Share integration if you want to get fancy). Just make sure (especially if it's C/C++ code) that it's reasonably secure...
I only had a problem with the mail app when using it to access my ISP mail account directly. Since setting up Gmail and forwarding my accounts to there I've had no problems with syncing my mails, contacts, calendar entries, chats etc. Strangely my surface is more reliable for chats than my win8 laptop... the laptop is constantly saying it can't connect to various services but the surface is okay.....just my personal experience.
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I'm actually tempted to write a new mail app.
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Porting some existing app over should be fairly easy. Let's hope for yours and/or others to arrive
One thing I have noticed people complaining about and I may have an answer.
GMail only allows a certain number of IMAP connections.
If you exceed this, you will get errors. So, if you use Outlook, an iPhone, and a few other devices, you hit the limit.
Additionally, some apps are not following the rules and will open more than one IMAP connection. For example, Thunderbird will use 4 by default!
http://kb.mozillazine.org/IMAP:_advanced_account_configuration
Reducing the number of apps that are hitting your IMAP may help.