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It seems that a lot of companies are really taking advantage of twitter to communicate with customers at large. Some examples are Verizon and HTC announcing the Eris OS update, Sprint has announced items via twitter. Lot's of people follow these companies and I am sure that these companies search twitter for references to there name.
So I propose that we use the power of twitter to send a clear message to Sprint that we would like an Android 2.0.1 update and that we would like some sort of news confirming it. We don't need exact deadlines but just knowing that it's coming would be great news for the community. It would also benefit Sprint in the long run because potential and current customers would have a little bit more faith in buying a Hero at 179.99 knowing that it will be getting an update.
I am going to post this to a few other Sprint/Hero related forums. Everyone can start twitting now or we can try to get some clear defined message written out that we can all retweet. Please post any thoughts, inputs or messages that you have twitted @Sprint.
My twitter ID is kennyidaho.
You do know that HTC announced we would be getting 2.x on Twitter about a month ago, right?
http://twitter.com/htc/statuses/5243593307
Flipz beat me to it.
I was googling for the article where HTC Confirmed it. They wouldn't bother with the update for CDMA Hero if Sprint wasn't going to give it to us. It costs them too much money to build an OS/Rom for a phone just in case Sprint ever asks for it.
Yes but nobody knows for sure if this applies to CDMA Hero's (we do know that it applies to GSM Hero's because of the leaked ROM - is there any proof a CDMA rom has been created?). HTC control's the update process on GMS Hero's, however Sprint has to request and push an update to Sprint Hero's. HTC is primarily a GSM manufacture and will cater to those devices first.
Assuming that HTC's announcement regarding Android 2.0 applies to carrier branded devices is as naive as assuming that the successor to the Hero (to be announced in February) applies to Sprints Hero.
Trust me I would like to hope it's true. Having Sprint and HTC devices in the past I know that just because HTC updates it's GSM equivalent it does not always indicate CDMA devices will receive the update (or will be updated in a timely manner).
Well if its been confirmed well what's the harm of twittering Sprint
No harm...
Just seems like a waste, one way or another we will have a 2.1 update.
Kcarpenter said:
No harm...
Just seems like a waste, one way or another we will have a 2.1 update.
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Myself and I am sure many others grow tired of the waiting game with these devices. In the end the main goal really is to see sprint open up a little bit.
If Sprint has ordered the update, if it's in testing and is slated to be released sometime first quarter 2010 then what's the harm in telling us? Verizon can notify it's customers that their Droid Eris, which is basically the same phone as the Hero, is getting updated - Sprint can take that risk too!
Right now Verizon is blitzing the media with Droid this Droid that, update this update that. What's sprint doing? A 5 second mention on a commercial also advertising the Pre and Tour?
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No harm...
Just seems like a waste, one way or another we will have a 2.1 update.
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just saying, in the time it took you to type that out and post it here, you could just as easily have tweeted something to sprint about getting the update.
how are you so absolutely positive that we'll get it? do you know something the rest of us don't?
all i'm saying is that it's not a waste to tell them what you want, whether or not you already know you're going to get it.
I agree totaly. We make huge investments in these devices, especially those of us who don't get them by signing a new contract. Personally I have to have the coolest gadget on the market, its my kryptonite. To that note also, Sprint does have the best service converage and price in my area. So I can't afford necessarrily to go else where. Damned if you do Damned if you don't. We are at the mercy of the phone company and until we get the portablity openness in the U.S. that our European counterparts have, we are stuck with what we get.
That being said, the Devs on this forum and else where make the phone what its worth, not Sprint. Luckily in our case, "There is always someone smarter than you". Meaning Sprint can hold out all they want, we will get ours eventually. I am sure we can yell and scream and cause a fuss, but I don't see the merit behind it. Kind of like getting upset with the Customer Serivce reps at sprint when we call to ask the status of the update, you can yell at them all day long and nothing will get accomplished other than making them pissed and ruining their day.
Just Twitter don't be upset just ask nicely, what id they respond back with next week. Then the debate can hold off on thief build and relax
Gah, I even went out and made a twitter account for you guys. Now knowing I have a twitter account gives me the chills... I feel like a 'myspace' person now.
@sprint and @htc right???
@kcarpenter5407
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Gah, I even went out and made a twitter account for you guys. Now knowing I have a twitter account gives me the chills... I feel like a 'myspace' person now.
@sprint and @htc right???
@kcarpenter5407
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Hey Twitter is nothing like having a MySpace account, granted most people mis use by updating about nothing. I follow cnn, some journalist that I like and some online stores and ESPN plus a couple sports teams. Which has Me do less surfing cause all the info comes straight to me
If u decide to give Twitter a try may I suggest if you find someone intresting follow them and check out who they are following
I don't see any harm in this... I'm going to twitter Sprint here in a few
I was being slightly facetious.
Well HTC posted a response nothing from sprint
or I would like to put mighty maxs hero browser into a super d rom 1.7 rom
I have figured out how to add the apk files needed and the libwebcore.so files and sign them they will flash but fail to boot am I missing something?
last night I got the kings eclair 2.1 to boot all the way without the libwebcore file and the browser showed up but wouldn't run it only fc'd
I am asking for help to learn how, I am knowledgeable, I can not stand the eclair browser and found to browser on the slow hero roms to be surprisingly quick and the flash to be pretty good.
I would have thought that a dev out there would have done this already but after searching it does not seem so.
regards!
Ian
flash wouldn't work at all there is no harware acceleration in 2.1 currently for g1
the hero flash 9 browser works on the g1 rom just fine. maybe not flash 10 but I am wanting to use the hero browsers with flash 9 plugins. with these roms.
Not possible, you need the hero framework for it to work, same with the rest of the hero applications/widgets.
You would just be back to a 1.5 hero rom getting it to work.
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Not possible, you need the hero framework for it to work, same with the rest of the hero applications/widgets.
You would just be back to a 1.5 hero rom getting it to work.
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You asked this before and I already said it wont work.
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not only are you stupid, but your avatar is super offensive. hope you die.
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LMAO his avatar is offensive? Its making fun of Obama, is that why its offensive? I bet if it was making fun of Bush you wouldnt think is was offensive. Anyway its true Obama is a socialist.
actually obama employs Keynesian economics, but I'm sure you know what that means.
BTW things that are socialist: post office, public roads, Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, Police, DMV, IRS, FBI, ATF, FDA, NASA, USDA, CDC, CENTCOM, CIA, Consumer Product Safety Commission, Better Business Bureau, DARPA, DOD, DOJ, DOE, Department of Labor, Department of Transportation, DEA, Endangered Species Committee, FEMA, FDIC, FCC, FAA, FCC, Federal Trade Commission, US Border Patrol, US Citizenship and Immigration Services, US Customs and Border Protection, International Trade Commission, The US Mint, Peace Corps, Occupational Safety & Health Administration (OSHA), and believe me I could go on forever. Socialism is ANYTHING that is funded as a society. so basically anything that you pay taxes for is socialism. Socialism save quite a bit of money as it takes the profit out of goods and services that are deemed public rights or necessities.
BTW how is bushes Stagflation economic policies doing you? pretty ****ty economy huh? I sure wish he had been using Keynesian economics.
Everyone, let's please get back on topic.
first off I don't need to be called stupid because I am asking a question, secondly this is the USA I have the right to freedom of speech and expression, I understand that you and your liberal friends think the constitution is meaningless now. However some of us will die defending it I don't perfer Republicans or Dems because Both are as bad as the other. Although the economy is not going to get better by taxing everyone to death and spending trillions more over your credit limits! Get a clue. Rep's started the economy in a downturn the dems are making sure we go bankrupt. Simple as that.
Now back to the subject, if it can't be done then thats all I needed to know.
Ace42 you told me you didn't think it would work I wanted a definate answer thanks for your help yesterday though.
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Ace42 you told me you didn't think it would work I wanted a definate answer thanks for your help yesterday though.
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Well it wont work, none of the HTC apps will function without the HTC framework. But some widgets from 1.5 will work under 2.1 hero only.
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first off I don't need to be called stupid because I am asking a question, secondly this is the USA I have the right to freedom of speech and expression, I understand that you and your liberal friends think the constitution is meaningless now. However some of us will die defending it I don't perfer Republicans or Dems because Both are as bad as the other. Although the economy is not going to get better by taxing everyone to death and spending trillions more over your credit limits! Get a clue. Rep's started the economy in a downturn the dems are making sure we go bankrupt. Simple as that.
Now back to the subject, if it can't be done then thats all I needed to know.
Ace42 you told me you didn't think it would work I wanted a definate answer thanks for your help yesterday though.
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hate to get off topic but HAHAAH
WELL SAID BRO
id love to have your gtalk...
<3 me a good ol liberal basher
P.S. getting flash on a non hero ROM WONT happen
if it was as easy as people think, you don't think cyanogen would have flash on his ROMs ?
As I was once told, this forum is not the US Congress. Your right to free speech does not apply here, and it's done for the sake of keeping the forums hospitable and amiable to all kinds of people. It is stated in the rules of conduct that any talk or avatars that might be considered offensive are subject to removal/banning, so whatever your ideas might be, just to keep the ambient tolerable, please keep them out of here. They might be your ideas, but you never know who you might offend.
Anyway, back on topic, all of the above is correct. You need the HTC framework if you want HTC's Browser on a non HTC build (which, I guess, would turn it into an HTC build).
The problem is that the libwebcore.so is linked to libraries somewhere in the framework (I'm not sure exactly which), and then those libraries are linked to other framework libs, etc, and so on and so on.
There is support on AOSP for plugins, and, at least theoretically, it should be possible for somebody to port flash support to the regular browser, but nobody's put the work on it yet (I've never worked with that, so I wouldn't know how to do it).
Again, porting the Hero browser, though, requires the Hero framework, which further depends on hero's libs, which some of them require some Hero apps. You're best off running a Hero rom and removing Rosie in favor of the stock launcher.
close it up mods questions are answered thanks
Thread closed at request of OP.
Take it with a grain of salt. But it sounds mildly legit.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913045
edit: actually i call b.s.
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edit: actually i call b.s.
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Why? I have no firm opinion one way or the other, but just saying "bull****" really doesn't mean much unless you're playing the card game.
How could Samsung charge for an open-source project update? Obviously they must make some modifications to make it fit their phones, but at its core, its still an open source program.
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How could Samsung charge for an open-source project update? Obviously they must make some modifications to make it fit their phones, but at its core, its still an open source program.
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Open source doesn't mean free.
I'm inclined to believe it. It makes more sense than trying to say they have been testing it for months. I've had my captivate for 6 months, almost 5 of them running FroYo thanks to the awesome devs here. Has the froyo always been stable and fast? No. But the devs don't work for Samsung with all the resouces, they are doing it in their spare time. I would bet Samsung had a fairly stable, almost complete version of FroYo ready before the phone released.
I am really getting tempted by the Atrix, apart from the awesome hardware and webtop app, Motorola devices get updates. But, they sound harder to flash custom ROMs, so its a give and take. Based on what I saw on the CES coverage, going with only official software may not be so bad.
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Makes no sense. Regardless if Samsung charges for feature updates or not, terms of the upgrades would have been set between carrier and Samsung prior to the first handset even being made. Thus outside of any major surprises (which there are none here) the carrier knows from day one what upgrades will be offered, when and at what cost. It's not like Samsung turned around weeks after the devices shipped and said, "Hey. That Froyo upgrade is gonna cost ya, buddy!" That would have been known long before contacts were signed.
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Even if thus is true, both AT&T and Samsung have all ready made too many mistakes. Both will lose some business. Yes it won't be enough to hurt either but maybe all the pestering will make them rethink their business models. Probably not. My last Samschmuck phone on AT&T for sure.
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Makes no sense. Regardless if Samsung charges for feature updates or not, terms of the upgrades would have been set between carrier and Samsung prior to the first handset even being made. Thus outside of any major surprises (which there are none here) the carrier knows from day one what upgrades will be offered, when and at what cost. It's not like Samsung turned around weeks after the devices shipped and said, "Hey. That Froyo upgrade is gonna cost ya, buddy!" That would have been known long before contacts were signed.
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This is the same point I tried to make on the thread. While Samsung may have been the ones to state that Froyo would come to Galaxy S, it may be that the carrier(s) decided to balk on the 2.2 update due to extra cost as probably stipulated by whatever contract they negotiated with Samsung.
If Froyo is already on Canadian carriers' devices (officially) why not U.S. carriers. Something reeks here.
While Samsung should have kept their mouths shut about the update, I'm sure a part is being played by the American carriers here.
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How could Samsung charge for an open-source project update? Obviously they must make some modifications to make it fit their phones, but at its core, its still an open source program.
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You are mixing up open source with free software. Ask Richard Stallman the difference
Also, I would imagine that they would not be paying Samsung for the software itself but more so the software development to tailor it to the carriers needs.
This sounds good in theory, but I think it has holes.
this would be the case for all phones on all carriers, but it isn't the same situation.
iphone updates are coming out all the time. With at&t subsidized out the butt on the iphone, I fail to believe they osu for all those updates.
I had a samsung blackjCk, and we went through the same thing with winmo, meanwhile other at&t phones got the updates.
Id have to say honestly in my personal opinion based from facts from an inside source... At&t is so obsessed with the iphone anything that costs them money or time that doesn't increase profits is going to be set on the backburner... Att has a time of year called "Iphone season" where they push the new versions and updates of the iphone to customers.... Seeing as how froyo itself was already released for almost every device on OTHER carriers and att has yet to push a single update aside from the eclaire update i doubt it will ever be coming.
Not to mention if anyone has noticed att removed ALOT of stuff from the captivates before they were able to ship them to customers... for example the third party apk allow button is completely gone from the stock phones due to att and their restrictions and the market having apps that just don't show up becuase of the way att wants to now start locking down phones like apple. (not trying to bash anyone or brands but from what ive seen from someone who loves to customize and believe anything i pay for is mine and i should be able to do as i wish with said product that's how it is in my eyes)
I think that since they have the rage over the iphones (another reason they try to sell them harder then any other phone is because of the "vast amount of accessories" ) it feels like they fell on the band wagon of the craze instead of actually worrying about ALL of their customers. It just seems like since iphone updates are pushed to phone and att doesnt have to deal with them, not to mention if the phone messes up it goes to an apple store and not att.
I've also heard rumors from att employees stating that something was signed with apple to put restrictions on android updates and phones in order to allow exclusivity for the iphone when it was first released. As to the truth behind this, anyones guess is as good as mine. Just seems funny how No att phones have gotten the froyo update unless they've (the customer) installed it themselves.
I wouldn't be looking forward to any updates from what i've seen on my end.
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This sounds good in theory, but I think it has holes.
this would be the case for all phones on all carriers, but it isn't the same situation.
iphone updates are coming out all the time. With at&t subsidized out the butt on the iphone, I fail to believe they osu for all those updates.
I had a samsung blackjCk, and we went through the same thing with winmo, meanwhile other at&t phones got the updates.
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AT&T has nothing to do with iPhone updates. Matter of fact, AT&T has nothing to do with iPhones at all, except sell them. All iPhone updates are done through iTunes and all iPhone support is handled by Apple. This is not a good comparison.
Even comparing WinMo doesn't really work. I had a Wizard on AT&T, and there was exactly one firmware update, even though there were other versions that were available later. Plus, Windows is not free and not based on open source code. So, carriers would expect to pay for updates with closed source operating systems.
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I've also heard rumors from att employees stating that something was signed with apple to put restrictions on android updates and phones in order to allow exclusivity for the iphone when it was first released.
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If that were true, then Apple and AT&T would be facing some serious litigation. This is similar to the deals that Intel made with computer manufacturers, forcing them to slow leak AMD sales in order to sell more Intel chips. Intel paid quite a hefty fine and suffered a serious PR black eye. That type of practice stifles competition and is very, very illegal. So, I doubt that Apple and AT&T would even consider doing that.
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Id have to say honestly in my personal opinion based from facts from an inside source... At&t is so obsessed with the iphone anything that costs them money or time that doesn't increase profits is going to be set on the backburner... Att has a time of year called "Iphone season" where they push the new versions and updates of the iphone to customers.... Seeing as how froyo itself was already released for almost every device on OTHER carriers and att has yet to push a single update aside from the eclaire update i doubt it will ever be coming.
Not to mention if anyone has noticed att removed ALOT of stuff from the captivates before they were able to ship them to customers... for example the third party apk allow button is completely gone from the stock phones due to att and their restrictions and the market having apps that just don't show up becuase of the way att wants to now start locking down phones like apple. (not trying to bash anyone or brands but from what ive seen from someone who loves to customize and believe anything i pay for is mine and i should be able to do as i wish with said product that's how it is in my eyes)
I think that since they have the rage over the iphones (another reason they try to sell them harder then any other phone is because of the "vast amount of accessories" ) it feels like they fell on the band wagon of the craze instead of actually worrying about ALL of their customers. It just seems like since iphone updates are pushed to phone and att doesnt have to deal with them, not to mention if the phone messes up it goes to an apple store and not att.
I've also heard rumors from att employees stating that something was signed with apple to put restrictions on android updates and phones in order to allow exclusivity for the iphone when it was first released. As to the truth behind this, anyones guess is as good as mine. Just seems funny how No att phones have gotten the froyo update unless they've (the customer) installed it themselves.
I wouldn't be looking forward to any updates from what i've seen on my end.
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Conspiracy theory much? Like someone said, your theories border on anti-competitive in practice. AT&T is also not so obsessed with the iPhone given how much they've diversified their smartphone portfolio in the past 9 months (+2 WebOS devices, +2 BlackBerrys, +3 Windows Phones, +5 Android devices).
I'm usually skeptical about these things, but this is about the only rumor that makes sense.
For those comparing it to the iphone, its like comparing oranges to apples. Apple pretty much takes care of everything on their side.At&t just peddles their product. Apple has a 400 person call center just for the iphone, next door to where I work.
Apple makes the hardware and creates the OS.
Samsung just makes hardware which is a good thing considering how bad their software engineers are at coding.
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I'm more in the conspiracy theory side
Don't trust everything you read.
Thing about it deeply, what is more likely:
A Sammy employee risked his job, created an account just to create this post, and tell us the truth about the updates and how bad his employer is? seriously? What did he gain by doing this post? peace of mind? can he go to sleep now that he has revealed the truth of the US-only updates? Does really the Samsung employees care this much for only the US based users? This smells, and bad.
Now lets look at the conspiracy side. An AT&T employee notices our frustration against them. They see that seem to be more frustrated people are the non tech-savvy ones; that we got to admit they are more than us and represent a big number for them. On the other hand I bet they receive a gazillion calls from you guys on these subject.
Wouldn't be more likely than AT&T representative created that post to wash their hands and pass the blame to sammy? Isn't them who released a restricted phone and made a deal with Samsung saying that they will be in charge of this phone's updates? Samsungs cost in releasing an update of a phone that is almost equal to 6 other phones they released is null; whereas AT&T cost in updating their crap is high. Don't be blind. Carriers are the new tyrants. They will do anything in their power to get more money. If you could see what they are able to do in countries like mine you wont even doubt this. In my country of such a deal is made you can forget that you will ever get updates. There even is a carrier that, after 4 months passed that you have purchased a motorola's android based phone, charges you 10 uss monthly for MOTO BLUR, and this was written in the small print of the contract... seriously... I've seen carriers cancel their users contracts, saying they requested that, to bill them their contract-cancelation fee...
I could go on with this for pages... I've witnessed carriers lying, deceiving, and even more right in the people's face. If you want to check this, and know some spanish or use translators, just google "Claro hijos de puta" (sons of a...) or "claro estafa" (scam); both searches give more than 3 million results, and you wont imagine what you might find inside those pages...
This whole thing smells badly. And if I had to bet, I would say that post was made by a carrier to buy them time, or even to start making up an excuse so they wont ever release an update... after all, they would be the only ones that would benefit from such events...
I'm through waiting
This story was the final straw for me, whether it's true or not. I am tired of the drama and am no longer waiting for AT&T and/or Samsung to deliver what AT&T told me would happen when I bought the phone. If AT&T store staff said something incorrect it was corporate's fault for not guiding their staff correctly. I was told shortly Froyo was coming, but it never came. Samsung said on Twitter/Facebook we all would have Froyo last year. There is no excuse for what they have done, none. I've waded through the myriad of 3rd party ROMs and was leery of the leaked Froyo ones due to everyone seemed to have an issue here or there. The 9000 ROMs sounded exciting but came with issues I didn't want. I just want a working GPS and a stable phone, running Froyo, what I thought I was getting last summer.
Now that Rogers released a North American ROM and the talented coders have seized upon it, we seem to be approaching a new level of stability with Froyo. After reading up on the various Rogers ROM based images I installed Cognition (donation coming later tonight) and after 30 minutes of playing around, I am home with Froyo now. I am beyond tired of waiting for AT&T and/or Samsung to do the honorable thing for they are not honorable companies. I doubt another Samsung will grace my pocket and yet maybe it will be the 3rd party coders that will ultimately deliver what I have waited patiently for, for months. Wouldn't it be a wonderful environment if Samsung would just release the source to everything and let those out here, those infinitely more talented than Samsung staff, have access to the code they need to work pure magic.
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How could Samsung charge for an open-source project update? Obviously they must make some modifications to make it fit their phones, but at its core, its still an open source program.
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Open source doesn't mean free.
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Open source comes under GPL license. This isn't the one that is of cost, but the efforts involved in packing for a device, its extensive testing is what is costly.
In the most simplest of terms, the following people would be involved:
Business Team x 3 people
Development Team x 6 people
Testing/QA Team x 10 people
To take care of these people:
Project Manager x 1 person
Team Leads x 3 people (1 for each team)
Taking this to 23 people, to say the least.
On an average, if we pay each person say $ 50k for 6 months effort, it would be $ 50,000 x 23 = $ 1,150,000 i.e., $ 1.15 millions for 6 months.
Now see, this is only the minimal scale. For a phone so wide spread, I would assume a team of atleast 50 where managers charge more than 100-200k a year.
Now u see why Samsung doesn't wish to put this kind of money into a phone already sold, and is looking into marketing newer phones.
I think its all hoopla.
This "leak" of sensitive information on one of many android forums is only going to reach the eyes of a hand full of readers.
We (the brave souls wanting new updates for our gadgets and willing to hack them to get it) are very few in numbers compared to the vast amounts of consumers who own this phone, and usually don't give a hoot about a new update/upgrade for their phones ROM, IF they even know what the heck it is. They only care that their calls and texts go through, and they can browse the web on their lunch break.
The ONLY issue that most would care about is the GPS issues we have had. And I bet that AT&T, and Samsung have both received tens of thousands of customer complaints regarding Mr. Joe Average not being able to find his way on his family vacation. Again, we are but a small number compared to that. I would think that alone would motivate something to happen, at least an OTA update to fix the GPS issues. Nope.
So other than an intellectual debate on "why haves", and "why have nots" on a forum like this, there is nothing else this message could possibly accomplish.
The above thread, and this one will slowly slide down the thread list and be forgotten and nothing else will change.
The Bottom Line
Rumors aside, if it doesn't sell more phones, minutes or data plans and it can be avoided without seriously upsetting customers, they won't bother. Outside of our merry band of flash-a-holics, what percent of Captivate owners even know what Froyo is or care?
Also, judging by the JH7 OTA debacle, Samsung's OTA upgrade capability is decidedly unreliable. I'd bet that caused a mountain of returns. AT&T HATES returns!!! Costs them a fortune. The cost of paying Samsung for a Froyo upgrade is a drop in the bucket by comparison. So a bad OTA system is worse than none at all. If AT&T can get away with avoiding it, they will.
I think our best hope is to make A LOT of noise! Complain to Samsung, AT&T and Google. Do it publicly on FB, Twitter, etc. Do it often. A small vocal group of XDA readers can probably stir up a decent amount of attention at AT&T if they coordinated their efforts.
I mean, honestly.. I am pissed. Something like 70% of all Android handsets are still running 2.3 and Google is blasting ahead with 4.1 rather than helping hardware developers get as much of the existing handsets at least to 4.0.
http://www.h-online.com/open/news/i...-Android-phones-1596740.html?view=zoom;zoom=1
I understand they need to continue to develop Android, but at what cost? The market is so tragically fractured that I don't think there is even a desire from the hardware manufacturers or carriers to see existing hardware get updated. It is so god damned frustrating, ESPECIALLY now that Google owns Motorola!
The holdup on our devices isn't Google, it's the manufacturers and the service providers.
So nope, I'm not pissed...at Google. At Motorola? Yep. They've had the source for a good long while now, and they just haven't moved their butts to get everything ported properly. It's a major upgrade, yes, but once they got the first device upgraded, it shouldn't have been too big of a stretch to get the rest after that.
As for AT&T, as far as I'm concerned they need to butt out, they don't have a (legitimate) dog in this fight.
Not trying to be a smart ass but who cares? There are more important things in life to get mad about and a new software for a phone is not one of them.
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Amen brother!
Yeah, who cares...I think it's great...advancement is awesome!!! If anything this puts more pressure on Manufacturers and Carriers to release updates (maybe). If Google stopped and waited on the rest of the world, they wouldn't be where they are today...I hope they start chatter about the next release soon...Full Court Press!!!
Let me start by saying I love this phone and am very happy With it But like some of us flashoholics are we're always looking...
From what I see.. A lot of people are on the T-mobile thread and not so many here. I see a few nice roms there.. And nothing other than stock deodexed for us. I'm keeping the faith the development will come for us but I just don't know. Any thoughts?
Yes doomed, cause you know 2 months from release and being on the only CDMA carrier with the phone, plus a small carrier no one likes. Who would guess there is not much development.
Come on guys. Put up or shut up, do something for the community (mod yourself, build a ROM, offer incentives, etc). It's like a lot of you want people top do things for you but the only thing you are willing to contribute is complaints about how fast others are working.
I'll contribute cash donation if someone comes out with something!
the only thing that i would like to see is SELinux permissive. after that xposed all the way!
Dennis. I was just noticing the development in the T-mobile thread is moving at a faster pace then Sprint. Development is very time consuming and my heart would be in the right place but I just wouldn't have the time or the complete knowhow to build a rom. I am a recognized tester for many years with sac on the s4 and am very close With one of the best themers on XDA "cerj" which I test regularly for him. I am willing to contribute $ to our cause as my self and a few others bought a s4 for sac just so he can develop for us. So my brother.. Cool your jets. I was just sparking a flame to gather the troops...
Recently T-Mobile always has more development then sprint. It's easier to develop for a GSM phone them a cdma, plus more people use GSM. Development is either going to stay or not. As it is right now, a lot of the edge/N4 mods are usable. I would try to do something but with 2 small kids and both me and my wife having full time jobs it's difficult to fib the time to do more then mess around, and since I'm fine with the stock ROM with xposed I'm working on something i know is a long shot but, I want to see if i can find a way to completely unlock the sim card slot.
ive been flashing roms since my ppc6700..... and every new phone for every year in between lol........ i would build a rom but have NO clue how or what to do.... i work alot and have 2 beautiful kids that take most of my time..... i hope we get a rom for this device cause its totally worth it.... ill put in cash on one for sure
I guess we will see what the future brings
Future is already here. And so much has occurred for the Sprint variety - My head is spinning around the madness! Just make the switch already, people! T-Mob will even pay your ETF's!!! Like the Geico commercial: "Everybody knows that..." Sad to say, but Sprint's day(s) of develpment support are numberd, as is their poor cellular service AND 4th-ranked customer service. In case you're not aware, 4th is the bottom of the pack, technically. If they offered their service to me for free, even unlimited everything / unthrottled data, I'd still not take it. As a company, they're outdated. As for customer service, they're dooty water, as for they're hardware (devices) they have lack of attraction to developers nowadays. The EVO was and still is their love child, and that was essentially 10 years ago. Needn't more be said...
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Future is already here. And so much has occurred for the Sprint variety - My head is spinning around the madness! Just make the switch already, people! T-Mob will even pay your ETF's!!! Like the Geico commercial: "Everybody knows that..." Sad to say, but Sprint's day(s) of develpment support are numberd, as is their poor cellular service AND 4th-ranked customer service. In case you're not aware, 4th is the bottom of the pack, technically. If they offered their service to me for free, even unlimited everything / unthrottled data, I'd still not take it. As a company, they're outdated. As for customer service, they're dooty water, as for they're hardware (devices) they have lack of attraction to developers nowadays. The EVO was and still is their love child, and that was essentially 10 years ago. Needn't more be said...
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Sprint payed my AT&T installment payments off, something T-Mobile does not do, plus I got to keep my old phone to sell it. Add to that I get LTE more reliably then on AT&T or T-Mobile, my calls sound much better then any of the other 3 carriers, it's cheaper then any of the other 3 (2 lines, 40GB shared, $130), and the customer service had been average I'd say I'm on the winning side here (for me). T-Mobile and I had some issues, as in they would not fix their mistake in my social so I could not make changes to my account online (my social changed after my first bill, but they were not allowed to change it even when I showed proof of my social. So I won't be going back to them, couldn't even cancel my account properly so i ended up with a $1300 bill.
In short no I won't be going to T-Mobile any time soon.
Let get to work n get to cooking a rom. who have a kitchen to get started
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=42957374#post42957374 this going be our only way of a rom this a start