Hi guys,
hopefully will be returning my I-Mate 9502 soon, and the only device I can imagine replacing it with is a Pro.
Are video drivers present? I read a few threads, but can't find a solid answer. Can the Pro at least play VGA video at full framerate? Can it do this through TV-out? I want to be able to play a divX video from my PC without having to convert.
Also, are there any other horiffic bugs/problems that I should know about that will stop me doing basic things?
Cheers,
Mike
I would also like to know answer for that question before purchasing touch pro. I learned from the mistake of buying kaiser without getting familiar to it's bugs before buying it.
Please someone run gxmark on your touch pro and tell me what score do you get! download gxmark here
edit. with kaiser i scored somewhere around 1550. So hopefully its at least that with touch pro.. and much better.
And please, someone with touch pro, run coreplayer benchmark and any D3D benchmark apps and keep us posted. Those numbers would tell us a lot how the device is managing. This would benefit all the users who are considering to swap their kaiser to TP.
Touchscreen Bug
Yes. I am also looking forward to touch pro. Only one thing interests me and hasn't been completely answered even in diamond forum: can anyone test if THE TOUCHSCREEN BUG from devices like tytn II still exist when playing a game that requires continuous stylus on screen (skyforce reloaded for ex, or call of duty 2). i saw some videos on youtube with a guy playing an emulator on the diamond and it was flawless. If that is the case, then I'm clear to buy this puppy.
rakdoll said:
I would also like to know answer for that question before purchasing touch pro. I learned from the mistake of buying kaiser without getting familiar to it's bugs before buying it.
Please someone run gxmark on your touch pro and tell me what score do you get! download gxmark here
edit. with kaiser i scored somewhere around 1550. So hopefully its at least that with touch pro.. and much better.
And please, someone with touch pro, run coreplayer benchmark and any D3D benchmark apps and keep us posted. Those numbers would tell us a lot how the device is managing. This would benefit all the users who are considering to swap their kaiser to TP.
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I couldn't get gxmark to work, just got a plain white screen. I'll try something else later and test the video playing if nobody else does but I'm just having dinner right now
@ukdj78
If its not an issue can you try out this http://www.glbenchmark.com/GLBenchmark_Community_Full_1_02_WM5_CM.cab , you will need to register at www.glbenchmark.com to view the results. Can you post them here please?
Can you also try running this video as well
http://www.glbenchmark.com/videos/GLBenchmarkPro_High.wmv
Thanks.
Video playing is flawless using Coreplayer, and using the TV-Out cable has absolutely no effect on performance.
I'm not a big believer in benchmarks, but out of interest I ran benchmarks Coreplayer using DirectDraw, GDI, Raw FrameBuffer and QTV Display, just to see whether "QTV display" is still much better - it isn't - they all come out at roughly 140%. So there isn't the same sort of difference that I got when using "QTV Display" on the Kaiser, but the improvement isn't needed anyway (on the Kaiser the same videos would always return benchmarks under 100% unless I used the "QTV Display").
I've tried seven different 700Mb Xvid .avi movies, and they've all work perfectly. No page tearing or stuttering using CorePlayer. Haven't tried TCPMP, but I'm sure it'd work just as well.
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@ukdj78
If its not an issue can you try out this http://www.glbenchmark.com/GLBenchmark_Community_Full_1_02_WM5_CM.cab , you will need to register at www.glbenchmark.com to view the results. Can you post them here please?
Can you also try running this video as well
http://www.glbenchmark.com/videos/GLBenchmarkPro_High.wmv
Thanks.
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Just ran the test, but I have no idea whether the results are any good. They're attached though...
Just tried a selection of video files from my PC in Windows Media Player on the Touch Pro and here are my findings (Video file info determined with GSpot v2.7):
.WMV file: 640x480 29.96fps 1257kps Audio: 44100Hz stereo 64Kps:
It didn't cope too well with it to be honest, sound was ok but the video only appeared to have about half the framerate of what it should be.
.AVI file: DivX 5/6 Codec 640x480 29.97fps 3164kps Audio: PCM 48000Hz 1536kps
Didn't play the video at all - got sound only (probably no video codec on device)
.AVI file: XVid Codex 720x438 29.97fps 1991kps Audio: MP3 44100Hz 128kps
Didn't play video or sound - came up with the message "Windows Media Player cannot play the file."
.MP4 file: 640x480 24fps 1601kps Audio: MP4 48000Hz Unknown kps
Played perfectly - Very smooth and not noticeably different from performance on my PC
.MPG files: Touch Pro does not recognise this format, wanted to try a PAL DVD quality MPEG 2 file
Looks like MP4 is the way to go for video files then
@sub69
Thanks mate. Its not great, almost identical to the Diamond in 3D performance, maybe the Diamond is a wee bit superior.
Any luck playing the video?
Thanks once again .
@ukdj
Try COrePlayer(which is 20USD) or TPCMP, supports a lot more codecs.
I'll try TCPMP then, used that a lot on my Vario II to play flv files but I originally didn't bother to install it on the touch pro cos I knew it could handle flv files since it had a youtube player built in!
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@sub69
Thanks mate. Its not great, almost identical to the Diamond in 3D performance, maybe the Diamond is a wee bit superior.
Any luck playing the video?
Thanks once again .
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I should declare that I had a few things minimised in the background (ActiveSync, Calendar, Messaging, File Explorer) and push mail was running, so it wasn't exactly a scientific test and I'm sure I could get marginally better results if I could be bothered!
We would expect it to be pretty much identical to the Diamond anyway, wouldn't we?
Video is very jerky if you just try to play it in CorePlayer, but if you run a CorePlayer benchmark on it, it's as smooth as you like. Odd. Much better in WMP, but still jerky.
@sub69 I'm having a little issue with text message notifications, could you do me a quick favour and try this on your touch pro: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=418089 If you want me to send you a text message to try it out Private message me with your mobile number and I'll send the word "test" to you!
The processor scores maybe higher although I doubt having minimized apps would have affected the 3D benchmarks. Since a lot of folks have mentioned that TF3D is smoother on the Pro than on the Diamond wondered if it was some changes to the 3D acceleration or better s/w optimisation of TF3D.
Did you try to play the video using QTv? Any benchmark values for the video from Coreplayer? btw, that video plays on the Kaiser at about 9-10fps.
Thanks again .
(just wanted to say this) You guys are the best! So much needed info about this, keep on going!
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@ukdj
Try COrePlayer(which is 20USD) or TPCMP, supports a lot more codecs.
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Don't really wanna pay $20 for testing purposes, sorry and TCPMP doesn't work either - another of the many programs I've found which don't seem to like VGA screens I'm using version 0.72RC1 is there a newer one which might work or is this the latest?
EDIT: just found another cab file for TCPMP on the Athena forum which has a different file name to mine, will give that a try!
2nd EDIT lol: No, that was no good either - it wouldn't even install!
You could try the TCPMP which was rebuilt using VS2008 (its in the dev and hacking forum i think)??
gimme a sec i'll get the URL...
EDIT: Here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=380387
youve probably already tried it but if not, do
EDIT 2: Im getting my Touch Pro soon after i get back from vacation (a week or so) so i will encode some vids into VGA and see how they perform, ive found coreplayer to be great so far with my Hermes so will have a straight comparison using the same files benchmarked both in QVGA and VGA versions on both devices.
Might be worth stating what kinda of formats people are using aswell (XVid/DivX, H261 etc....)
Try the one in this post, this is working on the diamond so high probability it will work on the touch pro.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2061081&postcount=1
Cab at the bottom.
mrvanx said:
You could try the TCPMP which was rebuilt using VS2008 (its in the dev and hacking forum i think)??
gimme a sec i'll get the URL...
EDIT: Here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=380387
youve probably already tried it but if not, do
EDIT 2: Im getting my Touch Pro soon after i get back from vacation (a week or so) so i will encode some vids into VGA and see how they perform, ive found coreplayer to be great so far with my Hermes so will have a straight comparison using the same files benchmarked both in QVGA and VGA versions on both devices.
Might be worth stating what kinda of formats people are using aswell (XVid/DivX, H261 etc....)
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Thanks,
I found changing the "Normal buffer size" to about 8000 kb improves video playback dramatically of an XVid file. This video was designed for the Tilt however with a 320x240 video size. I'll have to wait and see how it plays something at 640x480.
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The processor scores maybe higher although I doubt having minimized apps would have affected the 3D benchmarks. Since a lot of folks have mentioned that TF3D is smoother on the Pro than on the Diamond wondered if it was some changes to the 3D acceleration or better s/w optimisation of TF3D.
Did you try to play the video using QTv? Any benchmark values for the video from Coreplayer? btw, that video plays on the Kaiser at about 9-10fps.
Thanks again .
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I guess that the smoother TF3D on the Raphael will be because it's a later build (later than any I ever saw in my Diamond ROM's, anyway).
Didn't get a percentage value for that video...I guess that because of the filetype, CorePlayer "benchmarks" it differently? CorePlayer just told me the bitrate and properties of that high-def file when I ran it's benchmark to the end. Again, QTV, DirectDraw, RawFrameBuffer, and GDI all looked pretty much identical to my untrained eye, but this time I didn't have percentage values to confirm that...
Can i play a 700MB 640x480 X-Vid (or wmv,...) file on a touch pro with coreplayer smoothly? or even a 2x700MB movie? (-->means double bitrate)
Sorry if the question is stupid, but i always read no concrete answer. (means YES or NO)
greetings
empi
i'm looking for a good mp3-player such as HTC Audio Manager, which I enjoyed on my Kaiser
unfortunately HTC forgot to install it on Diamonds and Touch Pros, so I tried the Windows Media Player, which ****ing SUCKS
no sorting in playlist and library, very small buttons and really aweful at all
the CorePlayer/TCPMP is a cool player, but has no library for sorting genres etc.
its buttons are too small as well imo
well, I tried to install the originally HTC Audio Manager (qvga), but it doesnt start - the taskbar shortly changes to "load rc fail" and nothing happens
so I installed Audio Manager VGA which I found around here, but the .exe doesnt work as well because of an error message about an unsigned security certificate
I even get this message, although I disabled the security policy in my Touch Pro's registry to ignore those warnings
I'd really like to get the HTC Audio Manager on my Touch Pro, but if you'll tell me, theres no possibility, it would be nice if theres another similar cool player which you suggest
Whats wrong with the built in player integrated with TF3D? If you select the left option and open the library you get all of the options like the old Audio Manager Program and the same functionlity just a modefied look to it. You can even use the "scroll wheel" thing to advance your songs time and other "iPod" like features similar to the old Audio Manager.
While I liked the old audio manager and the way it worked I like having it built into TF3D so I dont have to load anything to play my music, its already there, playlists and all.
It did take a little getting used to since they redid the UI but it works just a well for me.
I think PocketPlayer is what you are looking for.
HTH
i dont like to use the TF3D, so I disabled it
much thanks to DeepThought, the PocketPlayer is really nice!
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i dont like to use the TF3D, so I disabled it
much thanks to DeepThought, the PocketPlayer is really nice!
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Ah, makes sense, Pocket player is a good alternative, forgot about that one
I'm trying to get TCPMP to work on this device (checked the threads already) and can't seem to get TCPMP 0.721RC Recomp to work on this device.
The problems I'm having is that when I install the program is fine. When I open the application the bottom buttons (play, stop and fast forward) are missing. When I load up a video the phone crashes and I have to soft-reset to get the functionality back and remove the program.
I did a search and it mentioned something about a "special" verison of TCPMP that is supposed to work with this device but I spent about 2.5 hours reading all the threads and now I'm really confused.
I guess what I'm wondering is how do I get it to work on this device (0721RC Recomp worked on my 6800 with 6.1) or does core player work as well as TCPMP?
I'm running the stock 6.1 rom with the clean up cab.
Thanks for your help....
Both work fine for me. The graphics in TCPMP for play/pause, FF, and stop are messed up like you say, but it still works.
Core works fine on mine.
Core v1.3.2
could not get tcpmp 0.72rc to run.....but core player1.3.6 works fine
TCPMP 0.721RC works for me. Did you install the Flashbundle? I also have black buttons but it works though.
It works for me NP. Stock VZW 6.1 ROM. Only problem I have is setting Hot Keys. Nearly every key registers the same key code. K for Raphael supposedly is a short term fix. Have there been any better key map fixes released yet, that allows the use of the whole keyboard?
I have the same problem.
I couldn't play .flv payers.
please help me
my phone is sprint htc touch pro2
I use the TCPMP from http://code.google.com/p/tcpmp-revive/downloads/list. There is a nice skin too. All buttons work fine as well. I watch movies on the train during morning/evening commute.
Last night I tried to play a video on my phone with Coreplayer (v1.5) and whilst it used to work perfectly and play videos REALLY well, it was now awful quality. Was as if the settings for video had reset to default so I tried changing them (smoothing and GDI or Directdraw output) but it keeps making the program crash when I try this, or immediately afterwards.
I've reinstalled Coreplayer (tried 1.3 and 1.5) and it just keeps crashing when I change the output settings, except for once when it let me change them but was still very jerky video, and then it crashed anyway a couple of seconds later. This is using video files that HAVE played fine in the past.
I've removed S2U2 again and rebooted as I had just installed it the day before, then reinstalled Coreplayer again and still get the same issues. It just seems incapbale of playing video properly now for some reason. I know the settings that work well for it as I did have it working perfectly before, but it just crashes now if I try changing them.
I can't think of anything else that I've added recently which may cause this. Not sure what else to check but there must be something I've changed on the phone that's caused this?
Videos work well if I play them by double tapping them in Total Commander, but silly as it sounds I don't know what player this is using to play them! It's not wmp anyway.
Looks like an HTC player maybe but I can't find an actual video player in winmo apart from WMP. There must be a place in the start menu somewhere for this player but I can't find it. It's not in the Multimedia folder in the start menu either so I'm confused!
Annoying because I'm halfway through a film this morning and after going back to home screen, I now don't know how to resume playback without restarting and trying to find the place I was at.
Any ideas? I've looked at other coreplayer related threads but they all seem to be along the lines of just the output settings being wrong and I got no results when I searched for the words coreplayer & crash.
When did 1.5 release?!?! Let me check....
BTW, what ROM are you on? Cooked or Official??
Oops! Sorry, I meant to write 1.3.2 and 1.3.5!!!
My bad.
I'm using the 1.61 official turkish rom.
You sure it is 1.5? Can't find a hint anywhere!
Duh.. ok, try the 1.3.6 yet?
Thought I was the only one to see this problem, though it did occur with previous HTC devices and Coreplayer for me. Occasionally the database file (Application Data\Coreplayer\library.db) seems to get corrupted (I think when Coreplayer is running, you attach the device to a PC in USB disk mode and say yes to a prompted database rebuild). If you delete the library.db file with File Explorer or an equivalent program. it should rebuild it OK. Quite annoyingly, this file doesn't get deleted when Coreplayer is uninstalled, so an uninstall/reinstall doesn't resolve this.
hi i was searching a lot, and i couldnt find answer, even try DA_G T-BT driver for htc and not working,
i download idk where an audio manager v 2.0 (and weird has no volume control )
i used wmp but Drain ike 10+MB of ram when playing a song i have like 25MB free RAM, im using an LG incite so i need save RAM as i can, and works fine, coreplayer takes like 6-7MB and i can activate the "Bluetooth plugin" so i can use in headset, s2p its not working for me as i wich, why?i dont know i posted but i will wait another relase i guess, and i like the fact of audiomanager only takes like 3MB of RAM and no complain at all. but i cant use AVRCP on it, maybe the cab i downloaded, and i download another cab but seems its for qvga or something cant fix well on my screen, i dont care if ots version 1 or 2 i just want a AVRCP version of audiomanager, so someone has this cab?my resolution its wqvga, thanks =)