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I looked up an article about a smartphone that runs on both windows mobile and andriod using a special bootloader called U-boot it is an open-source boot loader try getting this on the G1 then try to get windows mobile image or something on the g1 via this bootloader. the phone I am referencing this from is the Compulab exeda their article can be found here: http://i.gizmodo.com/5131507/compulab-exeda-a-stocky-phone-stuffed-full-of-features-and-oss
Use this bootloader then tell me how you will get windows mobile
wattt!!! so basically u saying hey i dnt know if this will work but kill your fone then tell me how it work out. Btw first the bootloader have to be ported to g1 hardware
ya that guy says here do this and let me know if it works . but if im reading this right a dual boot g1?
That's what it seems like. That could mean anything really... but it has an ethernet port! Can we say insta-router/modem? How odd and cool at the same time! But if it's truly a duel mode phone, WM on Android is just a tiny step away But then again... Since the phone itself is entirely different than the G1, how will it be ported? Just a bootloader isn't gonna do it. It will have to be modified completely. It's still better than trying to port from a TyTn or something else. U boot will have to support the G1's hardware or something extremely similar (a least a HTC phone). And the WM image could be gotten from anywhere but preferably from this phone, the exeda (may be the .nbf will leak sometime or it will get a downloadable update for WM).
LOL i meant dual boot as in the "linux" flavor for nokia i was thinking... sorry but as fast as android is advancing im ready to kiss WM goodbye. But sure people will either want to throw WM or possibly a dualboot on there g1's if it is possible
I've used u-boot on many different platforms... You guys have no idea what you're talking about. This isn't something you just "put" onto the G1... it would need to be written(ported) for the G1, bring up all the hardware, initialise RAM, etc... this would replace the SPL, not the OS, so you would also have to find a way to get u-boot to load wince (I've only used u-boot to boot linux, redboot is for wince).... this thread is like all the comments on the google apps store asking app developers to write flash for the browser...
I would love to get something like this, even wondered when they will come out with it. But I do think it will be something that will have to come on the phone, not as a 3rd party app. But I do hope HTC will bring out a hybrid like this. And a Ethernet port. Holy crap, I love that!!
i have a dream...
I have a dream that one day HTC will offer the drivers to the devices they sell.. that would make every developers live easier. If they released the drivers for all the hardware u could run any OS on the dream.
I would acctually pay for that
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I have a dream that one day HTC will offer the drivers to the devices they sell.. that would make every developers live easier. If they released the drivers for all the hardware u could run any OS on the dream.
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The problem is, HTC may or may not have the rights to release the code for those drivers, even if they wanted to. Many drivers come from hardware manufacturers (like Qualcomm, for example) and don't give clients like HTC the rights to distribute them except in binary form.
One day everything will be open-source. One day a carrier who advertises a phone as "open" will actually sell it as open, too.
I had my laptop dual boot with Slax and Win XP for about a week. I can't tell you how much I regret wasting the time to even set that up. Lets say you get the bootloader to work on the G1... Now tell me... what exactly are you going to use to control the capacitive touch screen and why? Can't we all just admit that Windows time is near its end and its only saving grace is to mimic what the open source communities are doing, or Apple if you want to refer to Windows 7... ick i say, ick.
True i am going to hijack this and wonder also why has no one looked into why we are only using 384mhz of the 528mhz that the processor can run at it was in another thread that no one commented on?
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That's what it seems like. That could mean anything really... but it has an ethernet port! Can we say insta-router/modem? How odd and cool at the same time! But if it's truly a duel mode phone, WM on Android is just a tiny step away But then again... Since the phone itself is entirely different than the G1, how will it be ported? Just a bootloader isn't gonna do it. It will have to be modified completely. It's still better than trying to port from a TyTn or something else. U boot will have to support the G1's hardware or something extremely similar (a least a HTC phone). And the WM image could be gotten from anywhere but preferably from this phone, the exeda (may be the .nbf will leak sometime or it will get a downloadable update for WM).
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good news I mentioned that the U-boot bootloader is open source
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The problem is, HTC may or may not have the rights to release the code for those drivers, even if they wanted to. Many drivers come from hardware manufacturers (like Qualcomm, for example) and don't give clients like HTC the rights to distribute them except in binary form.
One day everything will be open-source. One day a carrier who advertises a phone as "open" will actually sell it as open, too.
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compulab has already made that dream come true with the exeda
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I've used u-boot on many different platforms... You guys have no idea what you're talking about. This isn't something you just "put" onto the G1... it would need to be written(ported) for the G1, bring up all the hardware, initialise RAM, etc... this would replace the SPL, not the OS, so you would also have to find a way to get u-boot to load wince (I've only used u-boot to boot linux, redboot is for wince).... this thread is like all the comments on the google apps store asking app developers to write flash for the browser...
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can redboot be modified to run windows mobile???
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compulab has already made that dream come true with the exeda
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That's actually pretty slick. I wonder if a version will support tmo-usa's 3G band?
I thought I'd share the find...
Ubuntu on G1
Now, this is lite version of Ubuntu desktop running in Android environment. Awesome but somewhat complicated to achieve and most likely not for n00bs (like me )
Thanks a lot for the information. I'm trying this out.
Well I check it out and the file is corrupted. =[
would love to try this out...
yea not too overly practical but i would still do it for them bragging rights : D
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yea not too overly practical but i would still do it for them bragging rights : D
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Good point - so I put debian into my G1, but what to do with it? Ok, I installed sshd... Not much use for it either
Wouldn't you then be able to install Open Office and work with Office documents or a PDF viewer?
I manage to make it run but it's really running to slow to be somehow usable;
It's rather a proof on concept I'd say
Ram memory of android is too small for this to work, and the Arm CPU (even if running at 528) doesn't seem that fast!
I don't know why but neither this nor debian is working for me. I got Debian working fine on RC33 but now Im on JF 1.5 ADP and whenever I try to run the start script or install script it tells me permission denied. I dont quite get it?
Chuck
I have iceWM running fine. It's not very practical to run a desktop on your phone... but very cool to show off.
If we are able to get linux distros running on our G1. Shouldn't it be possible to use flash in them?
Wow, what a load of crap.
There is no POINT in having Ubuntu on your phone like this. All this guy did was rip a few things from people who really did it and changed a few things (including an install script), and then claimed it as his own. This has been done since FOREVER ago... like back in January. You should run Debian on your phone, its more practical because you don't need the useless crap that Ubuntu comes with for your phone. What you SHOULD do, is install Debian and install what you want from there, including the desktop.
Also, you can't run Debian the same on RC33 as you can on the newer 1.5 builds. You have to run Debian on your apps partition, meaning you have to have an ext2 partition on your sd card, and then run it off of that. You don't necessarily need your apps on the SD card, but if you do, you will have them both on the same partition.
So, let me draw this out for those of you that aren't going to get this because it goes WAAAAY over your heads:
1. To run Debian on your SD card, IF you have the newer firmware (1.5 or "Cupcake"), then you will NEED to have your Debian installation on your ext2 partition.
2. Don't even bother trying to figure it out if this post didn't make sense. It's too complicated for you and you're not going to use it. It's debatable whether you should even have root.
Nice, willtry this later see if i can get it to work x_x
Just as damageless said, why would someone want to use a x86-only mod of Debian on G1????
To run or not to run this is personal preference. Usefull? I don't know. However, this wasn't discussed on XDA before so I figured I'd post it in case anyone is interested.
@ damageless: it is not up to you to decide who is worthy of root. With you attitude you shoudn't even be allowed to leave the house.
@ everyone else: yes, this is only proof of concept but it has a potential to grow and may be evolve into something that can be of use to some people with time.
People need to lighten up....seriously.
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@ damageless: it is not up to you to decide who is worthy of root. With you attitude you shoudn't even be allowed to leave the house.
People need to lighten up....seriously.
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Agreed...
If this ever becomes functional outside of a vm, it could make things interesting. Although, I doubt it will have support for the qualcomm processor, so it will still just be for fun.
http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile
The problem isn't that they can't, the problem is that they whine when they can't get something to work and they aren't smart enough to use the search button. It's always the same people.
Ubuntu has not been discussed on here, because it's just stupid to put it on there when you can put Debian on your device. Do you really need any extra stuff that comes with Ubuntu? I think not.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=507291
Does that look familiar to you?
Basically he took credit for someone else's work and you decided to post it on here. Thanks.
I'm leaving the house now.
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I don't know why but neither this nor debian is working for me. I got Debian working fine on RC33 but now Im on JF 1.5 ADP and whenever I try to run the start script or install script it tells me permission denied. I dont quite get it?
Chuck
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I installed debian on my PC using something like that:
debootstrap --verbose --arch armel --foreign lenny debian http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian
and then just copy the directory to the phone and complete the rest steps from a guide
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The problem isn't that they can't, the problem is that they whine when they can't get something to work and they aren't smart enough to use the search button. It's always the same people.
Ubuntu has not been discussed on here, because it's just stupid to put it on there when you can put Debian on your device. Do you really need any extra stuff that comes with Ubuntu? I think not.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=507291
Does that look familiar to you?
Basically he took credit for someone else's work and you decided to post it on here. Thanks.
I'm leaving the house now.
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Maybe I'm not as jaded as you, but I'm not seeing what you're seeing. The link the OP provided, is a link to installing Ubuntu and THAT post links to the original AndroidFanatic article about installing Debian. Incidentally, that's the same article that zeezee's post links to as well.
I just don't see where anybody is taking credit for anything. The guy used the instructions for installing Debian, but used Ubuntu instead. Who got snubbed here? I'm curious to know what I'm missing.
If you've got enough space, etc. to do a full Ubuntu install, then why not?! The MID edition would be brilliant if it was properly configured - not least for the multitude of free programs that you wouldn't have to haphazardly search for on the Market.
Sure it wouldn't be as refined as Debian, and the guy definitely used other peoples' work, but it's progress nonetheless.
Also, most open source projects (especially operating systems) use the work of others to move forwards.
OK, Since Root is out I just rooted my phone and installed the Wifi Tether app (avaiable in the market) and it works like a charm.
Have a friend with an iPhone and she was able to connect right up and get online.
Gotta' love root..
Recent convert
I am a recent cover from blackberry to android. One thing I am interested in is rooting. It seems like it us a must to get everything out of the phone... However it also seems much more complicated than loading a beta os on a bb. Can you point me to a good, step by step instruction site on rooting my X. I'm not a "geek" or anything close. I just want to get everything I can out of these devices. Also, does the app you mention work with all macs? I noticed a lot of apps only work with pcs.
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OK, Since Root is out I just rooted my phone and installed the Wifi Tether app (avaiable in the market) and it works like a charm.
Have a friend with an iPhone and she was able to connect right up and get online.
Gotta' love root..
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+1 and confirmed. Rooted and Tethered myself this morning.
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I am a recent cover from blackberry to android. One thing I am interested in is rooting. It seems like it us a must to get everything out of the phone... However it also seems much more complicated than loading a beta os on a bb. Can you point me to a good, step by step instruction site on rooting my X. I'm not a "geek" or anything close. I just want to get everything I can out of these devices. Also, does the app you mention work with all macs? I noticed a lot of apps only work with pcs.
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WiFi tether is of course OS agnostic. It sets your phone up as an access point.
Other apps are USB or possibly Bluetooth tethering, and that might require a client side app.
to Root:
http://www.droid-life.com/2010/07/23/videos-how-to-root-the-droid-x/
Thanks for the help. if i understand correctly, the app would allow for wifi hotspot without paying the$ 20. Fee to vzw?
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Thanks for the help. if i understand correctly, the app would allow for wifi hotspot without paying the$ 20. Fee to vzw?
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Yes.
The "legality" (Violates TOS, etc) is another matter.
Ok.
I've looked at the sites explaining the rooting process and I think I get it. The crackberry community was great about providing support to people who wanted to do more. So far the android community seems on part with that, just need a rooting and android/linux for dummies site. Its a lot more technical than the bb os.
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I've looked at the sites explaining the rooting process and I think I get it. The crackberry community was great about providing support to people who wanted to do more. So far the android community seems on part with that, just need a rooting and android/linux for dummies site. Its a lot more technical than the bb os.
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The "hardest" part of this will be setting up the Android SDK and making sure adb works properly.
This is my sort-of first Android phone (I had the Droid 1 on launch day, but took it back), so much of this is new to me too. I do have some minor linux experience, which helps, but I just followed the video link I posted step for step and had no problems.
The problem is, I don't know what android sdk or adb mean. That's why i'm not rushing into rooting. I am scared to brick this device. I love it (except for 8 hour charge on battery. But coming from a bb I should expect not to get the same two days) and am afraid of making a mistake due to lack of knowledge.
gonna post the info from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7334641&postcount=9 here again just in case u guys dont end up to see it
Here is a few things to keep in mind..
The Verizon 3G app is infrastructure, thus it works with things like PSP and Nintendo DS, which is why i keep it. The Wireless tether apps are only ad-hoc for now.
From what ive been told, the verizon app loads a different firmware in the wi chip before running.
this is why i ONLY use the hot app for PSP and DS and the rest wi-t for root
Hope this helps
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The problem is, I don't know what android sdk or adb mean. That's why i'm not rushing into rooting. I am scared to brick this device. I love it (except for 8 hour charge on battery. But coming from a bb I should expect not to get the same two days) and am afraid of making a mistake due to lack of knowledge.
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You are wise to want to read all you can before jumping in.
Android SDK is the 'Software Development Kit'. It's the tools/drivers from Google that allow direct interaction with your android phone. While ostensibly intended for developers, it is the tool you will need.
ADB = Android Debug Bridge. It's a tool that comes with the SDK. It's a command line shell that allows you to push/pull files directly to the phone as well as open a shell (android is just a mini/modified version of linux - hence needing to get 'root' to be able to modify system related files).
Here is a link to a tutorial on how to take screen shots on the Droid X.
This is another thing that can be done with the SDK, so the important part of this tutorial is getting the SDK installed.
http://www.droid-life.com/2010/07/22/how-to-take-screenshots-with-the-droid-x/
Hope that helps.
could have sworn DS and psp could connect to adhocs just fine, i know the wii can.
I've tried this with my nintendo wii. It finds the access point justice fine, but won't actually connect. Does anyone have any clues of possible setup corrections necessary?
I'm using the sapphire 32b.
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could have sworn DS and psp could connect to adhocs just fine, i know the wii can.
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no dice, trust me on that.. they can do ad-hoc if they are doing multiplayer gaming with other ds or psp units but not to go online
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OK i hope to wifi tether as well. What is the process to set this up and what apps specifically do I need to get once I get my droid x? Thanks in advance.
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OK i hope to wifi tether as well. What is the process to set this up and what apps specifically do I need to get once I get my droid x? Thanks in advance.
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See the various threads about Rooting your X.
If you want to pay VZW, then the app is already on there. If you want to cheat, you will need to Root.
I downloaded the droidxrootv2 zip file to my pc. The videos mention ADB what is this, and where do i get the drivers for it? Also is the wifi tether app named as such or is it called something else on marketplace? Thanks.
I am a die hard WM user - never used any other OS. Was awaiting WP7 for months!
It is a dumb blonde! Pretty, but useless.
1. Keyboard is good, but no option to longpress for numbers
2. Phone dialler - no option to dial name of contact on phone dialler
3. Can't search calendar for specific appointments
4. Office hub is useless - can't organize in folder, ending up with loooong list of documents.
5. Word mobile is hopeless for formatting compared to WM6.5
6. Adobe PDF documents - can't be organized in folders. Can't even rename files
7. No video calling
8. The stupidest thing: Can't transfer files from PC to phone. What the ^$%^$ !
I have to go to Dropbox every time!
Buy an android phone lol
6.5
Stay with a WM 6.5 device. I kept my FUZE but after some time with the Focus would NEVER use it or any other WM device again. I felt a lot like you do at first, but that quickly wore off the more I used WP7. If you already bought it and feel the way you do, sell it and get something else. I used to see a lot of rants like this months ago but see almost no posts like yours recently. I think you should have posted this months ago, you might have found some allies, but not today.
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Stay with a WM 6.5 device. I kept my FUZE but after some time with the Focus would NEVER use it or any other WM device again. I felt a lot like you do at first, but that quickly wore off the more I used WP7. If you already bought it and feel the way you do, sell it and get something else. I used to see a lot of rants like this months ago but see almost no posts like yours recently. I think you should have posted this months ago, you might have found some allies, but not today.
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Well said. I was going to say pretty much the same thing. I struggled going from WM to WP at first (I still miss swype dearly) but after a few days of WP7 I could never go back despite some shortcomings.
Goodbye 6.5
The things I thought I could not live without in WM6.5 have turned out to be silly. I don't know why I felt that way. Anyway, many apps I used on 6.5 are now available on WP7, and more coming daily. The news of the potential features in Mango take away many if not most of my concerns.
I think we need to remember that WP7 is very young still, iOS didn't have copy and paste also when it came out... Give it a year or so I'm sure WP7 will be up there.
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My grouse is that WM 6.5 had so many features that have been stripped down to the point that WP7 is inconvenient. Why strip down Office to a bare minimum? Why remove the smart dialler in the phone? Why remove the long press for numbers in the keyboard? Why no USB functionality? Moreover, there are inconsistencies within WP7 itself. Why no voice GPS? E.g., why no search option in calendar? Why no zune support for synching data files? Why no wifi tethering?
I am not comparing WP7 to other OS. I am comparing it with Microsoft's own previous product. 6.5 to 7 is meant to be an upgrade, but it is actually a downgrade.
Why deliver a stripped down product when the previous product (6.5) had all these? And now, they have to catch up with "updates" with all the attendant bad publicity, and poor sales.
They had 3 years to get it right. They had at least 8 months in the beta testing when people clamored for copy-paste.
Stupid clowns.
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My grouse is that WM 6.5 had so many features that have been stripped down to the point that WP7 is inconvenient.
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Agreed.
Why remove the smart dialer in the phone? Why remove the long press for numbers in the keyboard? Why no USB functionality?
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Agreed.
Why no Zune support for synching data files?
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Agreed.
Why no wifi tethering?
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That is a biggie, agreed. And let us not forget custom ring tones (sure you can sideload, but really MS screwed the pooch here).
I am not comparing WP7 to other OS. I am comparing it with Microsoft's own previous product. 6.5 to 7 is meant to be an upgrade, but it is actually a downgrade.
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In some important ways it is a downgrade, in other ways it is an upgrade. All in all WP7 may be better due to newer/faster hardware, yet the FAIL of lackluster Bluetooth integration, no rSAP, no custom ring tones, no way to sync files easily, no wireless tethering, etc, etc and yes etc is really a let down. MS always seem to go three steps forward and two steps back, then perhaps release ONE of the two 'lost' steps like it is a huge improvement and technology advancement. If MS does not get their act together and release what many consider normal features, the Android market will leave MS in the dust.
MS can do much better, so what is keeping them from reaching some simple goals every other major phone OS has been doing for many years (including MS' 6.x)? THAT is the real question.
I think the worst thing is the wifi sleep issue that no one can seem to find a fix for. I bought one a week ago and its been sitting in the box while I use my desire. I just can't use it properly without having the option to leave wifi on
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I think the worst thing is the wifi sleep issue that no one can seem to find a fix for. I bought one a week ago and its been sitting in the box while I use my desire. I just can't use it properly without having the option to leave wifi on
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I agree 100%. This issue and another big Wi-Fi issue are the bane of my existence on WP7. Anyone have trouble connecting to different Wi-Fi networks? This is by far the biggest nuisance I deal with. What I mean by this is, for example: I am at work all day connected to the office Wi-Fi. I come home and my Quantum refuses to connect to my home network. It tries to connect for about 15 seconds or so, then eventually gives up. The only way to get it behaving properly is to reboot the phone. Turning Wi-Fi off then back on, disassociating with all remembered networks, etc. all do nothing. Don't know if this is unique to me because there is just something specific about the networks I am connecting to that creates "The Perfect Storm" and throws the Wi-Fi off, or if this is a widespread problem. Either way, I can't wait until it is resolved.
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I agree 100%. This issue and another big Wi-Fi issue are the bane of my existence on WP7. Anyone have trouble connecting to different Wi-Fi networks? This is by far the biggest nuisance I deal with. What I mean by this is, for example: I am at work all day connected to the office Wi-Fi. I come home and my Quantum refuses to connect to my home network. It tries to connect for about 15 seconds or so, then eventually gives up. The only way to get it behaving properly is to reboot the phone. Turning Wi-Fi off then back on, disassociating with all remembered networks, etc. all do nothing. Don't know if this is unique to me because there is just something specific about the networks I am connecting to that creates "The Perfect Storm" and throws the Wi-Fi off, or if this is a widespread problem. Either way, I can't wait until it is resolved.
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I don't get this issue at all mate, i pretty much do the same - connect to a network at work, then go home, it automatically connects fine for me at either location. I also connect to Wifi networks at my parents and GF's mum's and it connects flawlessly to either one without any hassle.
Though i must admit, the ability to keep wireless on even when the phone goes to sleep is a must! It will however stay on if you plug the phone into its charger, though not always convenient.
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I agree 100%. This issue and another big Wi-Fi issue are the bane of my existence on WP7. Anyone have trouble connecting to different Wi-Fi networks? This is by far the biggest nuisance I deal with. What I mean by this is, for example: I am at work all day connected to the office Wi-Fi. I come home and my Quantum refuses to connect to my home network. It tries to connect for about 15 seconds or so, then eventually gives up. The only way to get it behaving properly is to reboot the phone. Turning Wi-Fi off then back on, disassociating with all remembered networks, etc. all do nothing. Don't know if this is unique to me because there is just something specific about the networks I am connecting to that creates "The Perfect Storm" and throws the Wi-Fi off, or if this is a widespread problem. Either way, I can't wait until it is resolved.
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I don't get this issue either except on my nook and I think my wireless router @ that location is the issue (pretty sure of it). The WPA only a select few ip addresses on certain mac addresses for some reason so if the address is taken by another device it doesn't connect I thought my router was smart guess I was wrong but once I forget the network and then reapply the security settings it connects, I have no problem with my other router.
After purchasing an Acer Iconia a500 , I realized that it isnt just WP7 users who whine and complain about the latest upgrades , its tech wide ! I mean some of the gripes you have are laudible ,but in the long run 6.5 is done , so if you long for that experience it wont last , sure theres still some people using Windows 98 , XP , but at some point it becomes so outdated it becomes useless, you will find wm 6.5 fits this category , sometimes you have to go back to go forward and that is the case with WP7 !
Trust me the "copy paste" function is useless , I havent even used it yet (or missed not having it) , As I said I have a tablet with Honeycomb on it , its really irratating hearing all the babies crying about updates , the damn OS has been out for a month and these crybabies are whining "it doesnt do this ,it doesnt do that" , the thing is like most devices that are new it will not have certain things right off the bat , yes the device can be rooted a plus , but somethings cant be changed yet , just like the missing api's wp7 , that stuff will come , theres so many talented people in XDA , JUST RELAX AND ENJOY THE RIDE!,
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After purchasing an Acer Iconia a500 , I realized that it isnt just WP7 users who whine and complain about the latest upgrades , its tech wide ! I mean some of the gripes you have are laudible ,but in the long run 6.5 is done , so if you long for that experience it wont last , sure theres still some people using Windows 98 , XP , but at some point it becomes so outdated it becomes useless, you will find wm 6.5 fits this category , sometimes you have to go back to go forward and that is the case with WP7 !
Trust me the "copy paste" function is useless , I havent even used it yet (or missed not having it) , As I said I have a tablet with Honeycomb on it , its really irratating hearing all the babies crying about updates , the damn OS has been out for a month and these crybabies are whining "it doesnt do this ,it doesnt do that" , the thing is like most devices that are new it will not have certain things right off the bat , yes the device can be rooted a plus , but somethings cant be changed yet , just like the missing api's wp7 , that stuff will come , theres so many talented people in XDA , JUST RELAX AND ENJOY THE RIDE!,
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Cease with this being reasonable and level-headed immediately! If you continue with this behavior, I will report you to the Mods and request your immediate removal and ban! How can we be expected to have every thread ruined with incessant back and forth bickering, passive aggressive flaming, and pathetic trolling if behavior like yours is allowed to continue on this forum?
ehh this is why i never liked windows 7
CdTDroiD said:
Buy an android phone lol
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how about you post something useful..
This guy has a lot of good points.
" OFFICE HUB"
is a joke
microsoft word is such a pain to use that formatting within the document is impossible!!
there is no way to save formatting. so If I need to write everything in red. I have to hit format every single time and then select an option. that along with the keyboard taking up the entire length of the document.
BLEH!
adobe reader is the slowest pdf viewer ive ever used!!! and i remember using an 8125 and reading pdfs on it..
The wifi issues are a pain!! they are so the carrier can force us to use there data plan. I want to use WIFI why did i buy the phone with wifi capabilities if it wont even stay on!!
The contacts are again a pain to search through.
there is no way to delete lines within a conversation..
Or Deleting multiple text messages.
Microsoft is really falling short on this one.
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After purchasing an Acer Iconia a500 , I realized that it isnt just WP7 users who whine and complain about the latest upgrades , its tech wide ! I mean some of the gripes you have are laudible ,but in the long run 6.5 is done , so if you long for that experience it wont last , sure theres still some people using Windows 98 , XP , but at some point it becomes so outdated it becomes useless, you will find wm 6.5 fits this category , sometimes you have to go back to go forward and that is the case with WP7 !
Trust me the "copy paste" function is useless , I havent even used it yet (or missed not having it) , As I said I have a tablet with Honeycomb on it , its really irratating hearing all the babies crying about updates , the damn OS has been out for a month and these crybabies are whining "it doesnt do this ,it doesnt do that" , the thing is like most devices that are new it will not have certain things right off the bat , yes the device can be rooted a plus , but somethings cant be changed yet , just like the missing api's wp7 , that stuff will come , theres so many talented people in XDA , JUST RELAX AND ENJOY THE RIDE!,
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this has nothing to do with XDA.....
this has to do with Microsoft developing a poor operating software for my 499.99$ phone. This is a rant about the missing features that are obvious to a smart phone and you are saying relaxing dont worry.. this is what i purchased the phone for and it is severely lacking in a lot of areas.
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this has nothing to do with XDA.....
this has to do with Microsoft developing a poor operating software for my 499.99$ phone. This is a rant about the missing features that are obvious to a smart phone and you are saying relaxing dont worry.. this is what i purchased the phone for and it is severely lacking in a lot of areas.
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If you were missinformed of what WP7 was and could do at the time of your purchase, its your own fault... grab your 499.99$ and take it back, problem solved.
professorwol said:
this has nothing to do with XDA.....
this has to do with Microsoft developing a poor operating software for my 499.99$ phone. This is a rant about the missing features that are obvious to a smart phone and you are saying relaxing dont worry.. this is what i purchased the phone for and it is severely lacking in a lot of areas.
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I find it pretty funny people moaning about the lack of features WP7 has and how great Android and IOS are.
I had Android from the very start when hardly anyone knew what it was and i had that brick of a phone (although i quite liked it lol) called the G1.
Android was released on 1.0 software however i thought it was a practical joke no lie the battery would last 5 hours if you was lucky and the phone would heat up like a microwave oven besides the various other bugs etc including freezing up completely. It took Google 5 updates until we got the first named update "Cupcake" 1.5 before android was even half usable and had copy & paste etc. And to be honest it should of started on 1.5 so my G1 only got 1 decent update to 1.6.
Its the same with all the other android phones i have had the SE X10 did go from 1.6 to 2.3 only because legions of p*ssed off people including myself moaned at sony like there was no tomorrow when they said it would only get 2.1 (i think).
Etc Etc the point it Android is way too fragmented and buying a Android phone is like entering a lottery with regards to updates and added features etc.
Same with Apple it took them at least a year to add even copy & paste not too mention all the other stuff that was missing like MMS & Adobe Flash (ah yeah still ain't got that one).
Microsoft have given us a much better OS than both Google or Apple right off the bat and the amount of added features Mango is bringing is pretty amazing adding more stuff than 1 or 2 major android updates and even getting so things in the first year of WP7 that iPhone hasn't got after 5 years.
Looking for testers for a future project that i am currently trying to work on. Hopes to support in the end a wide varity of the samsung devices but for now im looking for samsung tab owners galaxy s 4g owners and vibrant owners that wanna help people that have extra devices welcome just drop me a line....
What is this you ask...
Well since phones are now starting to catch up fast as far as speed and storage and ram and video capabilities of some of the lower end laptops i am going to currently start working on a Ubuntu verrant that will a custom Linux environment based of course off the phone or tabs hardware.
But why would anyone want to do this?
Well the reason for it sometimes its not 100 percent pheaseable to carry around a notebook net book and a few other devices and u may need access to a pc this may fit your bill.. That and It would just be intristing to have a actual linux client running on a phone
What are the goals of this?
get the linux kernel compiled with the drivers we need for audio video phone radio bluetooth keyboard and mouse support along with keeping support for all other phone related functions.
linux client that boots and lets you log into the the x windows interface and launch apps would be a great start thats the second goal
third will be to get the linux client to work not only with some of the applicatons on linux but also retain the phones ability to run the phones applicatons as well.
THe overall goal of this would be to be able to when you wanted hook your phone using the tv out capablity (supported devices) and use a Bluetooth keyboard mouse and printer and use it as a net book u could also surf the web type up emails and or documents some of which already can be done on some of the devices.. THis might also open up another avenue that we could use or devices for.
This is just a quick summery feel free to leave comments call me crazy or what not lol..
Sounds like a good plan
RaverX3X said:
Looking for testers for a future project that i am currently trying to work on. Hopes to support in the end a wide varity of the samsung devices but for now im looking for samsung tab owners galaxy s 4g owners and vibrant owners that wanna help people that have extra devices welcome just drop me a line....
What is this you ask...
Well since phones are now starting to catch up fast as far as speed and storage and ram and video capabilities of some of the lower end laptops i am going to currently start working on a Ubuntu verrant that will a custom Linux environment based of course off the phone or tabs hardware.
But why would anyone want to do this?
Well the reason for it sometimes its not 100 percent pheaseable to carry around a notebook net book and a few other devices and u may need access to a pc this may fit your bill.. That and It would just be intristing to have a actual linux client running on a phone
What are the goals of this?
get the linux kernel compiled with the drivers we need for audio video phone radio bluetooth keyboard and mouse support along with keeping support for all other phone related functions.
linux client that boots and lets you log into the the x windows interface and launch apps would be a great start thats the second goal
third will be to get the linux client to work not only with some of the applicatons on linux but also retain the phones ability to run the phones applicatons as well.
THe overall goal of this would be to be able to when you wanted hook your phone using the tv out capablity (supported devices) and use a Bluetooth keyboard mouse and printer and use it as a net book u could also surf the web type up emails and or documents some of which already can be done on some of the devices.. THis might also open up another avenue that we could use or devices for.
This is just a quick summery feel free to leave comments call me crazy or what not lol..
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It sounds good too. A bit crazy but I like crazy. I would love to test but this is my only phone unless I can always odin back hence I'm scared of hard bricks
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I don't think screens on the phones are big enough for it to be convenient enough for people to use an OS like Ubuntu easily. Tablets are another story, of course.
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I don't think screens on the phones are big enough for it to be convenient enough for people to use an OS like Ubuntu easily. Tablets are another story, of course.
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Hince why im going to do it on devices with tv out
i have 2 sgs4g im interested, however im a total newb at all this so it may require lots of explaining/teaching on your end
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sounds like a plan to me and
johnlaqua said:
i have 2 sgs4g im interested, however im a total newb at all this so it may require lots of explaining/teaching on your end
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mostly everyone is going to be new to this lol or you talking about computer skills wise which i doubt it would take much since hes setting everything up..
well the idea behind it would be to odin a zimage with the core files on the sd card and have a script that would auto install the rom upon boot eg u odin rom phone boots says please wait while the os is installed go get some dinner whatever while it goes though it when u come back it would be up and running. LIke i said ultimatly i want it to work as a phone and a desktop. Well at least i got some intrest ill keep u posted on progress.
example would be when u used the usb tv out the phone could auto sense this and switch to what would account for desktop mode so you could use a bluetooth keyboard and mouse to navigate and then when u unplug it the screen would switch to a more phone touch friendly enviroment. These are just ideas. Honestly not sure how this is going to work as far as a tab based device its prob alot easier and mb a vibrant phone cause of the large amounts of internal storage.
sg4g im stll trying to figure out how to work around this. Also to get kernels up and have them be more of a unitifed system so i could make one package that serves multi devices instead of x package for this y package for that it helps tremulously.
the goal is to keep this as tech newb friendly with keeping at least some decent functionality on it. SInce the os will setup and take care of video audio and what not the only think u would need really is bluetooth parings for the keyboard and mouse and a printer provided i can actually get this to work...
ill keep all intrested parties posted and when i get something to work with ill move to the android dev fourm for it.
http://phandroid.com/2009/05/27/what-if-ubuntu-could-run-android-applications-it-can/
as u can see they can get linux to run android apps heck theres even debin running on the g1 as far as linux goes. THe point of what i wanna do is make it a little more friendly and accessable without having to folllow 14 pages of directions and not to make the apps as a emulated portion but as a seemless intrgration.
Im interested. Very interested... Id be will to test when im not working and on the weekends.
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Sounds like a crazy notion, but still well worthwhile. I like your way of thinking.
I'll see if i can get my hands on a second device, or get a well-discounted one for you to buy.
There might be some damn good money in this idea for you as well.
danstheman7 said:
Sounds like a crazy notion, but still well worthwhile. I like your way of thinking.
I'll see if i can get my hands on a second device, or get a well-discounted one for you to buy.
There might be some damn good money in this idea for you as well.
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well im loooking on ebay for someones bricked phone as i havea riff box so i could more then likley unbrick the phone for testing purposes.
Well the problem isnt installing linux onto the phone as i have went though many fourms and stuch getting linux on the phone seems to be the easy part with some reading and knowing what to do and not do. The real hurtle is a genuine way to cross link the libraries. So instead of running the android software as a virtual app (taken from screenies) to more of a native app across both platforms.
Im not looking to make this a omg it will run every peace of linux software ever written as these are phones not laptops notebooks net books desktops. THe goal would be primarlly for business people and people that would say need a quick way to read though e mail check Facebook maybe play a game here or there ( more then likely not) and type up documents if needed. THere is alot more limitation more so on the memory side of the phone then the processer and gpu capabilities considering open gl 4.1 is fully compatibly with open gl es for cellphones actually getting a ogl desktop isnt a really hard hurtle to get past. Since it retains the useability for open gl es
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well im loooking on ebay for someones bricked phone as i havea riff box so i could more then likley unbrick the phone for testing purposes.
Well the problem isnt installing linux onto the phone as i have went though many fourms and stuch getting linux on the phone seems to be the easy part with some reading and knowing what to do and not do. The real hurtle is a genuine way to cross link the libraries. So instead of running the android software as a virtual app (taken from screenies) to more of a native app across both platforms.
Im not looking to make this a omg it will run every peace of linux software ever written as these are phones not laptops notebooks net books desktops. THe goal would be primarlly for business people and people that would say need a quick way to read though e mail check Facebook maybe play a game here or there ( more then likely not) and type up documents if needed. THere is alot more limitation more so on the memory side of the phone then the processer and gpu capabilities considering open gl 4.1 is fully compatibly with open gl es for cellphones actually getting a ogl desktop isnt a really hard hurtle to get past. Since it retains the useability for open gl es
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Yeah, I would expect quite a few device limitations preventing you from the usual run-of-the-mill software.
I wish I knew anything about Linux to help you, but alas, I know nothing :|
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Its ok but at least when i get sometihng working u can test it if u wish
Thanks :]
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