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From their homepage:
4SmartPhone is experiencing technical difficulties. This is causing inflated loads on some of the machines, as a result making our website unresponsive.
Our technical personnel are diligently working towards resolving this issue. Due to these issues, the 4SmartPhone website will be temporarily unavailable.
We are well aware of the situation and so we ask you to not send an email to support. We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. We will keep all of you updated as often as we can.
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Both the Outlook Web Service, the normal Exchange Service, and the Push Mail Service have all been unavailable for over 48 hours and I'm starting to wonder if they're going to be coming back at all.
AND --- this is the second time this has happened within 2 months.
Drat.
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From their homepage:
Both the Outlook Web Service, the normal Exchange Service, and the Push Mail Service have all been unavailable for over 48 hours and I'm starting to wonder if they're going to be coming back at all.
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I stupidly thought that my device was having problems so I removed the 4smarphone settings (which removed all my email/contacts/tasks/calendar entries from my PDA)... Got home and found out OWA and Outlook sync didn't work either. So I'm stuck!
This is pretty bad... they haven't answered my support email and the website notice - simply stating only the 'website' only is down - is highly unprofessional.
I wonder whether it has anything to do with their recent upgrade to Exchange 2007?
It looks like the service is back online as of 5:00 PM Pacific. I received the following in an email message:
Dear 4SmartPhone Customer,
Over the past two days we have experienced a rather serious crash on one of our Exchange Servers.
We are very sorry for any inconvenience this problem has caused you, but we are pleased to report that we have fixed the problem and taken all steps to ensure it will not happen again. Here are some things you will notice in the next few days:
1) Although it is now possible to connect to your mailbox again, it will only contain your new emails.
2) You can now send and receive emails.
3) Within the next few days, we will bring all original emails back on the Server.
4) Pro & Enterprise Clients can use their local copy in Offline Mode, and you must switch to connected mode to send & receive email. We will send a link to help you understand in a following email.
5) In addition, we are taking the following steps concerning the current Exchange 2003 servers: 4SmartPhone is rolling out more reliable Exchange 2007 on a brand new architecture; The fact that Exchange 2007 is more robust and combined with the new architecture, any failure are less likely, simpler and faster to recover from should we have to.
4SmartPhone sincerely appreciates your business. To demontrate our appreciation, your patronage, patience and trust in our service, we would like to extend a free month's service to you. We will automatically add the free month onto your contract. If you have any additional questions, please email us at [email protected] ,
Thank you.
4SmartPhone IT staff.
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I've been able to access new mail in my mailbox since around 5:00 PM Pacific, but all of my old mail is missing (as they indicated in thier message). I suspect it'll get populated from backups over the next day or so.
Not only is all the old mail missing, EVERYTHING is missing, CONTACTS, CALENDAR, MAIL.
EVERYTHING!
Anyone got there data back already? I still haven't and I am starting to get worried.
I haven't either.
If you access your accout via Outlook, then you probably already have a backup of your data in your OST file (file used by Outlook to store a local "cached" copy of your mailbox). I've been considering just exporting all of the data from my OST file into a PST file and then importing it into the new mailbox; however, I'm concerned that doing so may complicate the data migration 4Smartphone already has planned since the current mailbox is really only a "temporary" one.
Any Exchange experts want to comment??
Oh my gosh that sound horrible! 48 hours plus down! I have given 4smartphone.net a couple of trials in the past but always ended up going with other services, mainly due to the lack of a control panel with some extra user settings at 4smartphone.
Thank goodness I did not sign up!
Although I have used a fair few Exchange services I am definitely not an expert. This is critical stuff and I would not want to give incorrect advice. But to attempt a little reassurance, 4smartphone state in their FAQ that they run a full real-time "mirror" back-up of all data, plus an additional daily tape backup for long term protection.
It is almost certain that ALL data will be restored to your accounts, but they are a big company and with a lot of data. If they were down for 2 days this could take several more (at least) to fix and fully restore everything.
Also, most email servers keep attempting delivery for about 2 days, so messages that could not get through should still arrive... hopefully. Worst case they will bounce back to the sender with a message saying they couldn't be delivered so people know there was a outage and will hopefully resend.
Once you have data back I would suggest looking at other services... and I would try and pick one that specifies they have co-location if possible i.e Datacenter 1 is in Phoenix, Datacenter 2 mirrors everything in Norway or where ever.
I have used 1 and 1. I would not call them "good" and customer support is extremely weak. But they do have servers in the US, the UK and Germany. It would be quite hard for them to lose all their systems as they are just so huge. But I am sure there are much better services. I guess another reason I might pick 1 and 1 over 4smartphone is 1 and 1 let you have Outlook right away and it doesn't interfere with your right to cancel if you are dissatisfied. They also bill in just 3 month blocks. 4smartphone make you pay for the full year before you get Outlook. Many handhelds still only come with Outlook 2002 so many people really need at least the 03 version or it is not possible to check out the account properly (You have to have 03 at least to fully use the features of Exchange)
Take this is a reminder to have your own independent back up stategies. For example, I do not have my various domains registered with the same companies that do my hosting... I have an account with a domain reg company seperately. That way, if the hosting crashes, I can quickly set up another account elsewhere and point my DNS records at the new nameservers.
I also do not use Exhange as my primary account. My email accounts are hosted elsewhere and forward to Exchange for Direct Push. So I just have it for Push and as an archive. I have everything on my PC too.
Actually, I go one step further, I don't actually use Outlook for email (other than Push. It is probably a great email client at this point, but it has not always had a stellar history. I prefer Thunderbird. That's just me.
I also always retain offline data on my local PC and back it up every day or so (if only by dragging a copy of outlook.ost to another folder and dating it).
I also use a back up program on my handheld and use it daily.
If my Exchange hosting crashed with a total loss, all I would lose is the ability to use direct push temporarily. I would not lose a grain of data.
End of the day, there is only one person who really truly cares about your data and can take charge of protecting it.. YOU! Don't leave that solely to anyone else!
Sound like hell. Sympathies to all involved. Hope it is fully resolved very soon.
Edit: Here is the link to the list of MS Hosted Exchange Partners on their website. Might be useful to anyone considering looking at other providers:
http://www.microsoft.com/serviceproviders/solutions/catalog.aspx
Thanks for you detailed answer.
Actually, I DO have a backup. A REAL backup, not just the OST file. The last few days will be missing tho. I guess I will survive.
4smartphone ain't half bad WHEN it works. And even this crash would not have been so bad, if they just had kept us informed. They have not responded to 3 mails I sent. I understand they will have been inundated with mail, but then they should just post some kind of LATEST NEWS or UPDATE or whatever on their site.
Anyway, they just sent me a mail stating that all data WILL be restored, but that it could take another 48 hours.
Thanks again.
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It is almost certain that ALL data will be restored to your accounts, but they are a big company and with a lot of data. If they were down for 2 days this could take several more (at least) to fix and fully restore everything.
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Take this is a reminder to have your own independent back up stategies. For example, I do not have my various domains registered with the same companies that do my hosting... I have an account with a domain reg company seperately. That way, if the hosting crashes, I can quickly set up another account elsewhere and point my DNS records at the new nameservers.
I also do not use Exhange as my primary account. My email accounts are hosted elsewhere and forward to Exchange for Direct Push. So I just have it for Push and as an archive. I have everything on my PC too.
I also always retain offline data on my local PC and back it up every day or so (if only by dragging a copy of outlook.ost to another folder and dating it).
I also use a back up program on my handheld and use it daily.
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Mail2web also down!?!?!
Last night mail2web was also down. I had experienced huge delays (of hours!!!) and some message skipping.
Something weird is going on in the mail service providers kingdom!
mail2web down as well??!! That is freaky. Is this a 2007 upgrade induced horror that is going to bite us all? Hopefully I am just being paranoid (I do tend to be!).
nispen, I do apologize if it sounded like I was wagging my finger like you didn't know to back up your stuff! Of course you do - and that wasn't what I meant. I was sincerely symphathesing and that was about the only half-constructive thing I could throw in
I completely agree that communication from the company is key. ANY service, can have a crisis, no matter how good their continency plans. If they do a really good job keeping customers in the loop when it happens it could even leave me feeling positive about them. It would be more like, "wow this is bad, but these guys do care and I can see they are really breaking a sweat to fix this and it makes me trust them to resolve a crisis... which will inevitably happen to every company sometime".
But the generic "sorry for any inconvenience " notices would tick me off. I would want to hear regular updates with more specifics. Wouldn't even matter if I didn't understand the tech jargon involved. I just want to know that hour by hour they know what they are doing and are making specific progress.
Good to hear your data is going come back. Best of luck
No worries, no fingerwagging detected!
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nispen, I do apologize if it sounded like I was wagging my finger like you didn't know to back up your stuff! Of course you do - and that wasn't what I meant. I was sincerely symphathesing and that was about the only half-constructive thing I could throw in
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mail2web has been down since last Thur, and the outage continues, just got a reply from [email protected] saying they are still "trying" to fix the problem. So if 4smartphone is down and mail2web is down at around the same time, may be both of them have upgraded to MS Exchange 2007 at around the same time. If so, that say so much about Ex 2007 and WM5 push email, it is far from a mature and stable product.
Blackberry then has nothing to fear for the rest of this year.
For the non-Blackberry folks, IMAP IDLE is the way to go, it is fast and reliable, and almost free.
And for the less time discerning/sensitive folks, POP is the way to go. Just set the auto retrieval to every 5 min or 10 min.
Mail2web/4Smartphone vs. Blackberry vs. Idle vs...
I am also here strugling with mail2web. After my subscription, the first two weeks were ok, but then last week (or maybe in the end of the week before) it all started to fail.
The service is intermitent now. And delays of up to 3 hours are common.
I've used BB Connect but could not make it work in WM6 roms (I now there is a how-to-hack available, but I could not handle it alright). Also, I do not like much that BB Connect steals my GPRS connection and that whenever I want to use other network applications I have to disconnect from blackberry.net APN and connect to my operators'.
So I prefer to make a redirection of my work emails to another account.
That account could be an IMAP idle capable I have, but the problem is that poutlook does not handle idle and I didn't like much to have poutlook AND another client such as the good flexmail (which is a complete but also heavy app).
So I am now stuck here with not many options, except hoping that mail2web staff manages to overcome the difficulties they currently have. If the service works alright, I believe I would certainly upgrade my free subscription and begin using only mail2web as my 2nd email address...
Some very valid points being raised here which are worthy of more discussion. May I suggest we maybe think about breaking this up into separate threads though for clarity? This thread is essentially an immediate check in as to which Exchange servers are giving people grief (and it sounds like a rough ride, many sympathies to those affected).
Blackberry does seem robust, but I am not clear about it's full capabilties when used on WM devices. Be gr8 to discuss it more so I can learn!
Exchange has has some very powerful features (if it is working) but there is just as much I dislike about it! Only being able to send from one email address and frequent false positives for Spam when it's mail is received by some Linux based mail servers are among my gripes!
IMAP IDLE is cool. My experience is limited to vgsmail/ppc and Webis Flexmail. vgsmail is still sold I believe but not longer developed and I have found it very incomapatible with my more recent devices. I also bought Flexmail but found it very buggy at the time. To be fair it is being actively developed still further and supported and is sure to get better - may have done so already. I have also found that there seems to be slightly different deployments of IMAP IDLE and not all servers appear to give equal results... that is all way beyond my technical grasp though.
Then again there are also Exchange alternatives (not sure how they do on push) like - I might have these names wrong, Zimbra, Open X-change (or something like that. Plus there is SyncML and Funambol ( I know I have that spelled wrong.. someone please help me!).
What do you good people think! Should we maybe split this into threads (or even make use of existing ones and share the links around so we all know where to look?). I would really like to be able to review the options, but it would also be good to keep this forum fasirly organized and readable!
hey guys from universal forum!
had started this service out to TYTN users and figured i should spread the news around to some of the other boards. if you guys are looking for push email, please get in touch here's what i posted in the tytn forum:
I'm now offering exchange mailboxes to users (subscription based service). right now i see two, one by austindkelly in the wizard forum (he's disappeared for over a month and looks like he doens't offer his service any more) and one by denial in the kaiser section ($5/month). I thought I'd offer up a similar service starting with the hermes group (cheaper of course) with a few extra tidbits of joy...
- supports iphone exchange services, saves a heck of money over apple's mobileme service!
- outlook web access (with the advanced interface)
- 1gb quota
- both SSL as well as standard port options
- *IMAP access* - you don't even need outlook, syncs flawlessly with your phone.
- *MAPI* outlook access - hook up your outlook on your PC to sync with my service which in turn syncs with your phone. no plugging in ever needed!
- alias included (get your own email)
- changing your password through outlook web access (one-way non-reversible encryption).
I figured it's a bit of an overkill having my own exchange server that's serving a single account (i.e. mine). so why not open it up!
Price is $10 for 3 months, $19 for 6 months.
Please PM me if you're interested... I'll probably set up your account within 12 hours (probably less).
And yes, will give you unused credit money back etc etc if you're unsatisfied for whatever reason. I'm really not in this for the money, it's more to utilize something I spent hours building up, plus to cover the costs of my internet / server hardware.
And, as usual, if you need any files hosted for xda-developers just let me know, i'm already hosting over 40 ROM images and serving 5-6gb/day in ROMs from the wiki!
cheers!
free accounts:
will provide 10 rotating free accounts at any given time for test purposes, will base it off of usage. so if you use the free account, i'll keep it up indefinitely, if not then account will be removed after 14 days and given to the next person in line.
Free accounts do not have MAPI access, have 50mb storage, have no aliases either.
Depending on utilization I may increase this 10 free account limit.
few people are asking about synching from multiple sources...
from my understanding i can only give you one alias for your accounts, which means you can't select your "from." however you're free to forward as many accounts as you wish to the account i create for you, but you can only send from one "alias."
another multi-synching thing people are asking is whether you can sync calendar with your desktop and email with my service. sure!! its best that way in fact - that's what i do. i have my outlook on my desktop which has my calendar, contacts, and only sync my email via push on exchange to my server... you can even take this a step further and set up IMAP access so what you see in your email client is the same as what you'll see in your pocket outlook... if you delete from your desktop, whoosh it disappears from your PDA too
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from my understanding i can only give you one alias for your accounts, which means you can't select your "from." however you're free to forward as many accounts as you wish to the account i create for you, but you can only send from one "alias."
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it is possible to select "from" under exchange but a bit tricky, best way to do that is creating distribution group with desired email address, user account must be a member of this group and must have "send as" right on it; after that user can select desired mail in from field - at least under outlook; if exchange has multiple domains in recipient policies - this emails could be even from different domains
MAPI (i.e. desktop outlook) access is now enabled
still plenty of resources to use up so drop me a line if interested!
going to take the server down for about 15-20 minutes this afternoon for a quick reboot and offline backup. planning for 3:00pm GMT. please be patient, hopefully it should be done much much faster!
Quick update regarding update in the server!
I know I've had some VERY avoidable downtimes this past few months. Because this is running on a laptop it has been unplugged from the power / ethernet while its been moved.
however good news! I've just purchased a replacement - a nice server
Specs - dual core AMD 5600+ with 2 gb RAM, 820gb storage (for those attachments ).
i'll do the switchover soon as i get the machine, should hopefully take 10-15 minutes as i just need to image the drive across.
once i get the machine i'll push up the trial accounts to 15 or 20 so if you're interested i'll post here when the migration is done and you can drop me a note
cheers!
can someone who has successfully set up outlook 07 with my service PM me with the settings they've used? i need to get some instructions on my site on how to do it, and i don't use exchange 07 myself...
thanks!
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another multi-synching thing people are asking is whether you can sync calendar with your desktop and email with my service. sure!! its best that way in fact - that's what i do. i have my outlook on my desktop which has my calendar, contacts, and only sync my email via push on exchange to my server... you can even take this a step further and set up IMAP access so what you see in your email client is the same as what you'll see in your pocket outlook... if you delete from your desktop, whoosh it disappears from your PDA too
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Just have to tell everyone how happy I am with Chamelion.
This is by far the most honest straight up guy we have here.
And his service has been superb.
If you want activesync to work as it was designed to hit him up, his exchange service is the best!!
cyberhern said:
Just have to tell everyone how happy I am with Chamelion.
This is by far the most honest straight up guy we have here.
And his service has been superb.
If you want activesync to work as it was designed to hit him up, his exchange service is the best!!
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thanks for the review
for others interested: yes it works on the iphone if you've moved to iphone, and yes i'm still taking on new people - heaps of spots available!
chamelion said:
thanks for the review
for others interested: yes it works on the iphone if you've moved to iphone, and yes i'm still taking on new people - heaps of spots available!
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Dude you are the Bomb. I hope you got my pm.
Glad your still using xda.
Hay dumb question. I may change cell service provider to t-mobile. Service change should not affect my exchange ability right?
What is ur price plan, please? and can i have a trial account?
Thank u in advance
cyberhern said:
Dude you are the Bomb. I hope you got my pm.
Glad your still using xda.
Hay dumb question. I may change cell service provider to t-mobile. Service change should not affect my exchange ability right?
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changing provider has no effect, doesn't matter what service you're using to connect- long as you have internet access it works.
hbahaie said:
What is ur price plan, please? and can i have a trial account?
Thank u in advance
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hi there,
price plan is on the first post re: trial accounts i've phased those out as they're too much hassle. i do still offer money-back guarantees but need to know that people are serious about wanting the service, not just out to get another free account
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changing provider has no effect, doesn't matter what service you're using to connect- long as you have internet access it works.
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that's. What I thought. The reason I asked is Tmobile is one of the cheaper services, just starting to deploy 3g when everyone else is testing 4g. I was just worried that the sow internet would affect my ability to sync.
I am with Verizon now. I love the broadband speeds but 2 cells for 350 each month is too much.
Rightnow Tm is the only carrier that has the touch pro2 which I love and Tm would cut my bill in half.
UPDATE Now offering Exchange 2010 accounts - fully compatible with latest outlook, html email etc!
Information and registration at https://exchange.etbox.info
Just got my TC tonight and I cant put it down. I LOVE this device. Ive never had a WM phone before but have played with them without any desire to own one. Well I really like how much can be optimized and configured, and thats not even considering all the tweaks found here.
Anyway, my current issue is that I cant get my yahoo email to work. Now, it could be that Im coming from a Blackberry Curve so my phone package is the blackberry BIS. Would this inhibit me getting my email? If so, do I have to call up ATT tomorrow and get set up on the smartphone program instead?
The POP/IMAP email access requires a normal dataplan... After that the device can configure itself for the mail access (after you enter you email adrdess in the new account creation). But if you want better useability, and more security than you should configure it manually whith IMAP access... if Yahoo! supports it...
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The POP/IMAP email access requires a normal dataplan... After that the device can configure itself for the mail access (after you enter you email adrdess in the new account creation). But if you want better useability, and more security than you should configure it manually whith IMAP access... if Yahoo! supports it...
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Ok, so I dont have to get a paid yahoo account just for it to work right?
Dunno.. I'm using gmail
Never used Yahoo in my life...
gnick666 said:
Dunno.. I'm using gmail
Never used Yahoo in my life...
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No worries, Im over it. Device is for sale.
HyperM3 said:
No worries, Im over it. Device is for sale.
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Giving up at the first difficulty?
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Giving up at the first difficulty?
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I like my BB Curve better. I guess I have way too many things against me as a Mac user also. Its a neat phone but not what I really want.
yahoo/gmail issues
I am having a weird problem. When connected over wifi, yahoo and google connect and download mail like you'd expect.
When connected to 3G or Gprs network google and yahoo fail to connect. The phone tries to make another connection, like it does not know there is already a data connection.
I know my data connection is good at 3G, because I surf the web all day...
Any ideas will be appreciated. Thanks.
Figured it out...
Had to uncheck the "use proxy" setting on the connection profile under "proxy"
Is it possible to look up contacts from the GAL with the email client?
Thanks
moosic said:
Is it possible to look up contacts from the GAL with the email client?
Thanks
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Maybe this thread could be about all Exchange issues / tips ?
Would be cool.
I don't have answers to the OP here just some points:
1. I read either on here or another forum that your customized folders in Exchange did not show up on Captivate. Can anyone deny / confirm?
2. I don't see why contact GAL lookup won't work, it worked on my Aria. But then again also my Exchange customized folders showed up just fine on Aria.
3. Dialing from Calendar entry on Captivate no worky? Really? Sounds unlikely but can anyone confirm / deny?
You are able to do lookups within the email client on the gal. Simply press the search button, this will take you to a lookup field.
My folders all synced with my exchange account. Its more like a fake sync.it pulls when selected.
I have not been able to lookup phonenumbers through the gal.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App
The default email client leaves a lot to be desired when dealing with Exchange support. Yes, you can have customized folder but navigate them isn't that easy. For example, I have more than a dozen folders under my inbox folder, they all showed up as tabs along side the Inbox. There is no way to configure which folder to sync and which doesn't.
The calendar also showed my meetings wrong. I have a few repeating events with a few exceptions, e.g. I delete a few meetings in certain weeks. After sync, the calendar on my phone ignores all those exceptions/deleted meetings.
I'm going to investigate other Exchange support apps. The stock app really stinks.
bwolmarans said:
Maybe this thread could be about all Exchange issues / tips ?
Would be cool.
I don't have answers to the OP here just some points:
1. I read either on here or another forum that your customized folders in Exchange did not show up on Captivate. Can anyone deny / confirm?
Customized folders do show up, along the top bar of the main email client window. Swipe or tap to change folders.
2. I don't see why contact GAL lookup won't work, it worked on my Aria. But then again also my Exchange customized folders showed up just fine on Aria.
Compose or reply to an email. Below the TO and CC fields are four buttons. One is SEARCH. That does a GAL lookup.
3. Dialing from Calendar entry on Captivate no worky? Really? Sounds unlikely but can anyone confirm / deny?
Works just fine for me.
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Some other tips.
Make messages easier to read and MUCH easier on the battery by going to Menu/Display Mode and picking "Positive Mode". Wish Gmail would do this too, white background is not AMOLED friendly at all (uses MORE power than an LCD would use).
Check your signature...you may or may not want to advertise you're "using an i897 on AT&T 3G Network". Account Settings/Signature.
Check message size, it's probably set too low by default, unless you're really trying to conserve a few kb of data. Advanced Settings/Email Size.
What format are your telephone numbers in your calendar?
888 123-4567
8881234567
Don't work for me. They are in the body of the calendar entry.
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I have not been able to lookup phonenumbers through the gal.
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I have not been able to lookup people by phone number (useful when you get a call from your office that you don't recognize the number) since I got rid of the first gen blackberry I had many years ago.
And that's including a year that I had the tilt (A Windows phone you'd think they could make their own stuff work together.) And I still can't with the Aria I have now (until next week Wed. when my Captivate arrives, and then I won't be able to with my Captivate. )
Sad that Exchange integration was better with the blackberry 6 years ago than it is with today's latest Android devices.
sadly the gal search only provides me the email address, not the phone number or any other gal information. Or does it for you? Am I doing it wrong?
It must be that somebody at Android and or Samsung owns stock in Touchdown / Nitro ???
It's probably due to the limitation of Exchange ActiveSync protocol.
P.S. dialing from calendar doesn't work for me either when the phone number is in event body.
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It's probably due to the limitation of Exchange ActiveSync protocol.
P.S. dialing from calendar doesn't work for me either when the phone number is in event body.
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The GAL lookup fubar is not the EAS protocol. It works on other platforms just fine. I think it is a Samsung issue - i will test later on my Moto phone and see what they return in a GAL lookup.
As for calendar dialing - I want to see some proof of someone doing this with an Exchange entry. I have tried new entries in Exchange and Google with a phone number in body and location - nothing works. URLs don't work either.
The entire calendar entry is treated as an unelectable blob.
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The GAL lookup fubar is not the EAS protocol. It works on other platforms just fine. I think it is a Samsung issue - i will test later on my Moto phone and see what they return in a GAL lookup.
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I don't remember if it works in WM or not (never tried even though I've been using WM exclusively in the past). But according to posts above by bwolmarans, it didn't work for his Tilt either. Remember BlackBerry doesn't use EAS at all. You need to setup BES server in order to communicate between Exchanger server and BB.
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I don't remember if it works in WM or not (never tried even though I've been using WM exclusively in the past). But according to posts above by bwolmarans, it didn't work for his Tilt either. Remember BlackBerry doesn't use EAS at all. You need to setup BES server in order to communicate between Exchanger server and BB.
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It works fine on iPhone - they licensed EAS, and I am pretty sure it worked on my WinMo phone. I have another Android 2.1 phone I want to try it on.
As further information, I could not get my GAL to work in the stock email client. After reading another forum thread, I installed "Swift Contacts" from the market. This unlocked the GAL functionality in the stock client as well.
So, I live in Mexico. There is a company called Movistar (Telefonica in EU) and I have one of their pre-paid plans (I use a Nexus 5).
The pre-paid plan is the equivalent of $15 US dollars every 30 days. You just go to any convenience store or a big retail store and you pay at the register.
Well, my pre-paid plan offers me:
500 minutes to any company, USA and Canada numbers included.
100 SMS to any any company.
Unlimited minutes and SMS to any other Movistar phone.
Unlimited access to WhatsApp, Facebook, Twitter and Gmail.
250MB of data.
And for some strange reason, I can stream Spotify too, unlimited, even if I use the 250MB.
Well, after I use the 250MB (in like a day), everytime I want to access, for example, a website, I get redirected to a Movistar page that says that I consumed the 250MB. OK, that's fine. Perfectly normal.
Obviously I can still use Facebook, WhatsApp, Twitter, Gmail, both apps and website versions.
But, most of the Google services still work. Keep, Drive, Docs, Maps, most of the syncing too (no YouTube).
But I also have HotSpot Shield installed ($25 US dollars per year) and if I'm connected to the VPN, I get absolutely unlimited Internet.
How? Why does that happens? I'm not complaining, I'm just curious.
Sounds like they're analysing the packet headers looking for a user agent string of the browser
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Either they analyze the packets as said above, or they lock your data down via IP, which is unlikely since it would need to be static.
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Either they analyze the packets as said above, or they lock your data down via IP, which is unlikely since it would need to be static.
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I'm thinking its the former. Some UK carriers use this method to detect tethering. You could tether an iPad but then browser would bring up a carrier page stating that tethering couldn't be used but fat client apps that don't use user agents (Facebook etc) worked fine. It kind of makes sense given the symptoms, although its a strange beat to do it in this instance.
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I'm thinking its the former. Some UK carriers use this method to detect tethering. You could tether an iPad but then browser would bring up a carrier page stating that tethering couldn't be used but fat client apps that don't use user agents (Facebook etc) worked fine. It kind of makes sense given the symptoms, although its a strange beat to do it in this instance.
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Haha either scenario would be strange.
Thank you guys for your responses.
So, why do I unlock unlimited data when I activate HotSpot Shield VPN? For example, the other day I did a test and I downloaded over 10GB of data (using a torrent client). And it's all prepaid. No hidden fees and stuff.
Also... something weird happens when I finish my 250MB.
The signal/data icon becomes orange instead of white and I don't get Facebook notifications anymore (I still get WhatsApp, Gmail and other notifications, but not Facebook).
And let's say that during the day I received 50 messages from Facebook.,, as soon as I connect to a WiFi or if I activate the VPN, I get the 50 notifications of the messages all at once.
FernandoRocker said:
Thank you guys for your responses.
So, why do I unlock unlimited data when I activate HotSpot Shield VPN? For example, the other day I did a test and I downloaded over 10GB of data (using a torrent client). And it's all prepaid. No hidden fees and stuff.
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To elaborate on my scenario. A browser has a user agent string. For example, this may say you ate using Firefox on a desktop computer. Some mobile carriers have a database of all "desktop" user agents and if this is what they detect through packet analysis, will block it. They will also do the same for things that say safari tablet. ...or maybe even they detect you have nexus 5 and only allow that user agent string.
So flipping that in reverse, maybe your carrier only looks for android mobile, or whatever your user agent string is. Check here using a browser...
http://www.whatsmyuseragent.com/
For chrome I get:
Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; Android 4.4.4; Build/KTU84Q) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/37.0.2062.71 Safari/537.36
Yet for dolphin in desktop mode I get:
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_6_3; en-us) AppleWebKit/537.16 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0 Safari/537.16
See in the last how it doesn't say android? This user agent string is used by *most* sites to detect you're mobile and therefore give you mobile websites instead. Changing bathe string can give you desktop mode instead. That's what dolphins "desktop" mode does. Note, some sites use a new method I don't understand yet.
Browsers always have a user agent, whether you're osx, iOS, linux , windows, android etc. Most non_browser apps do not have one. That's why torrent clients, Facebook, Tapatalk maybe can work on tether and not browsers. If you receive back message only in a browser yet other apps work, it stands to reason that this is how it could be done. You can test it. Install dolphin and set to desktop mode. Still get the message?
For the VPN question, I'll keep it simple. Whenever you communicate over a network, you are transmitting packets of data. This data has information attached, such as then user agent string. These packets are seem by the network you are travelling through. If you load Google, in simple terms, you send a packet asking to load Google, to Google. Google responds with a packet that will be the web page. The network sees this because it routes the traffic.
With a VPN (virtually private network) you are creating a tunnel between your end point device (n5 in this case) and a server. This tunnel, burrows through your network to then server. Then tunnel is impenetrable. The network cannot see then packets. They're encrypted. It cannot see any user agent string or anything else. It doesnt need to either as your network does not route the traffic inside the tunnel. When you VPN tons server then load Google, the server uses its internet connection to load the page. The server sends a packet to google using its network. You are connected into the same network as the server so your carrier sees nothing.
To try and clarify my VPN rambling... Imagine a laptop for a company you work. You plug a network cable in on site and you connect to their network. You can see intranet and network drives. Pull out cable, gone. Go home, still gone. VPN is a way of creating back network connection into work as if you were on site. With a cable. It creates a secure, encrypted connection between you and your company.
I hope this helps.
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Wow. Thanks for the detailed response!
Very interesting. Thank you!
FernandoRocker said:
Wow. Thanks for the detailed response!
Very interesting. Thank you!
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Unproven theory in your case
Sorry about all the typos above. I can't remember having typed that much on my n5 keyboard ever before.
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Unproven theory in your case
Sorry about all the typos above. I can't remember having typed that much on my n5 keyboard ever before.
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Do you have a theory for this?
Something weird happens when I finish my regular 250MB.
The signal/data icon becomes orange instead of white and I don't get Facebook notifications anymore (I think I don't get WhatsApp and Gmail notifications too, but I can't remember).
And let's say that during the day I received 50 messages from Facebook during work... as soon as I connect to my WiFi at home or if I activate the VPN, I get the 50 notifications of the messages all at once.
Orange just means no connection to Google servers. Some apps that are not browsers are detectable in a similar way to user agent string. It all fits in with the theory. You'll have to test it yourself.
Facebook, who can theorise anything with that?
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