I've long been looking for a solution to record my phone calls (for archiving for my electronic diary database - it's just fun to listen to, say, calls you've made twenty years ago. Yeah, I've archived my calls back even then - then, onto audio tapes, with my self-built automatic call recorder circuitry and automatic tape recorder controller).
As you may already know, except for some (in Europe / the States, rare, Asia-only Gigabyte models) NONE of the current Windows Mobile Pocket PC's (and only some MS Smartphone models) support this. It's just not possible to record the other party, let alone directly saving the GSM-based encoded stream to greatly preserve sound quality while keeping the same low speed (without recompressing it), just like how the vast majority of non-Windows Mobile-based call recorders do on both Symbian and in many "dumb" phones like the Sony-Ericsson t68i and the t610.
Yeah, sure, there're some software titles capable of recording conversations (most importantly, the brand new, 4.x series of Resco Audio Recorder, superseding PMRecorder, the, before the new release of the new Resco app, best phone call recorder app), but, as the restriction is hardware / OS-based, they can't lift the restriction either.
I've bought a Nokia N-Gage (got it for comparatively cheap with several original game cards - they're far better than I've previously imagined, particularly when you play multiplayer games at Nokia Arena! Highly recommended if you're into mobile phone-based multiplayer games - many titles are far better than anything else multiplayer-enabled on any other mobile platform) some days ago and played a lot with the current, compatible audio recorder solutions, most importantly, Ultimate Voice Recorder For Series 60. (The other, well-known solutions like ALON MP3 Dictaphone for S60 (2nd / 3rd), Total Recall (which, BTW, according to the homepage, will soon receive a Windows Mobile 5+ version too), LivePVR for Symbian Series-60 etc. are all Symbian S60 2nd / 3rd edition only and, therefore, don't run on the first-generation S60 OS of the N-Gage.) It worked just great (in automatic mode) and offered everything one may want to except from a decent automatic call recorder, except for the hardware-initiated beeps, which seem to be a non-fixable issue with the latest N-Gage firmware, unlike with some other Nokia models like the Nokia 6680, 6681, 6630 and N70 (and some more). (BTW, if you're interested, also see this thread on the beeping issue. Note that Beep Off can be found here for $20. Unfortunately, it doesn't have a trial version so you can't check for yourself whether it really eliminates in-call beeping during calls.)
Guys, Microsoft, hardware manufacturers, why do you want us to go for a Symbian device (or, for that matter, any "dumb" phone like the above-mentioned t610) for making phone calls? Can't you understand a LOT of people want flawless call recording capabilities? Why can't you enable this feature?
BTW, many ask whether it's legal to record phone calls at all. Please refer to this page - it's really useful. Well worth a read, particularly if you're in the United States (it lists all the states that allow for free call recording, and the ones that don't.) In Europe, to my knowledge, you're allowed to record calls in all countries without letting the other party know.
(Please do check out my already-mentioned PMRecorder article for more info on call recording issues. You may also want to explicitly check out the Windows Mobile Audio Recording Bible for alternative sound recorders. Note that, currently, I recommend the brand new, 4.x series of Resco Audio Recorder for call recording. Follow the link for a (linked series of) comparative reviews.)
Finally, I need to point out that it's the same issue that makes it impossible to implement a local voice mail / answering machine application for Windows Mobile, another highly demanded functionality. (There are several similar solutions for Symbian and Linux, where the hardware / API's allow for directly accessing and recording the incoming voice channel.) Just make a search for the words "answering machine" at XDA-Developers and HowardForums (the two most active Windows Mobile Pocket PC Phone Edition boards) and you'll see these kinds of applications are in high demand too. Also impossible to implement on Windows Mobile. Check out for example THIS ARTICLE for more info on this question.
Menneisyys said:
In Europe, to my knowledge, you're allowed to record calls in all countries without letting the other party know.
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In Germany that would be illegal. You HAVE to inform the other party. And that could lead to the situation, that nobody calls you anymore...
We had some troubles with recorded phonecalls in the past (especially eastern Germany for about 40 years... ), that would make such a product hard to sell here.
As nice as it may be to listen to past phonecalls, it would make a lot of people highly uncomfortable to know every word ist recorded.
Menneisyys said:
It's just not possible to record the other party,
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Recording/playing sound from any analogue source is trivial with an AK4641-based
phone ( universal, hermes, athena, etc.) on the hardware level. Don't know about wince, but i've
done some tests on linux/universal and it works.
let alone directly saving the GSM-based encoded stream
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It's a hardware design decision made by HTC,
and you can't override that without soldering and (most probably) heavy radio ROM patching.
The raw input/output phone sound is mono and analogue.
I wud like to add.All e-ten devices does record the calls.Also, imate PDAL, a bit of atom, Dopod P800w,D600,U1000.
All tested with Vito Audio Recorder.
We r at par with Symbian
hdubli said:
I wud like to add.All e-ten devices does record the calls.Also, imate PDAL, a bit of atom, Dopod P800w,D600,U1000.
All tested with Vito Audio Recorder.
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Thanks for the info. (BTW, are you absolutely sure they directly tap into the voice stream, and make a flawless recording of the other party, even in a very noisy enviroment OR when you use a Bluetooth headset)?
you could wait for q60 t600 from gigabyte and or get the i300 which is getting also a wm6 upgrade \o/
Why I Secretary can’t mute the microphone of my xperia x1 and why the caller can’t hear my answer message
How can I fix this using registry or any tweak tool for windows mobile 6.1
thanks
With my laptop, I use a UMTS/HSDPA data card through Vodafone Germany to connect to the web. I just got done video chatting with my brother in Australia, it was awesome because I brought my laptop down to the street to show him my neighborhood. Aside from the crazy looks the native Berliners gave me, it was a seamless experience. SO, its obvious that the technology exists to do this with a UMTS/HSDPA cell phone, but what one? can anyone please help me, I really want to show him the rest of my city, but I'm not lugging my laptop on the S-Bahn!
Thanks!
ms portrait if it support the cam in the pda and he have the pc version on his pc should work i think
other option is normal 3g video call but thats pretty pricy
dont know of any other chat apps that support video in their pda flavours
msg and skype sure dont
Hi!
Does it also work with WM6 or only for WM5?
I am using Orbit 2, has anyone experiences with this device?
Greetings
caitulanh
Hi. i user this for a 3 month. http://mobile.vzochat.com. it.s pretty simple and works on my ipaq 514 from box
Sorry if I have missed a topic with the same question but is it possible to make video conference with skype and htc cruise?
How can we use the front camera for Video Conf through the net?
Thank you in advance.
In short, no.
I think only piece of software I have ever seen that's remotely near to providing what you want is Microsoft Portrait and that is a long way from being a viable videoconferencing app.
Front camera is a good place for collecting fluff and that's about it.
it should work for normal network video calls whoever use those
For local mobile networks the video conference is working (3G). But the fact is ... the cost of money for making video calls. By using wifi is cheaper and faster (i think). Do you have any idea for making video calls through internet (talking using the cruise or other 3g phone making v.c. to desktop/laptop pc).
THANKS
no no software i know of for pocketpc does it
there was a program called ms portrait but as i recall it dident work with
frontCams which kinda made video calls troublesome
AGAIN THANKS for your time.
Guys,
It does seem to me that Skype randomly dropped the ball; Fring does not support video chat anymore, and other video chat application do not support PC to Android functionality. The technology is HERE; however why are all of these video products limiting themselves in this way? Is creating a PC app that difficult? I just don't understand. It seems so obvious!!! It's the ONE SINGLE THING that we cannot get and are looking for.
Sales pitch they don't want you to know
Even though we all know that video chat will work with Wifi (that we pay for already) -- I really believe that these big corporations really want to release Video Chat at the same time LTE will be realeased with newer phones that, again, will already have front facing camera when some of us currently have already technology already. Skype is releasing Video chat to Verizon exclusively which will give an incentive for people to want to go to Verizon to use video chat. This technology already exist but they would like for us to use it at a price (buying a new phone and switching to Verizon if we didn't do so already). That is why Skype does not do video chat, when they can! Fring to Yahoo messenger does not want to use video chat, when they can! Fring to MSN messenger does not want to use video chat when they can! Fring PC to Phone does not exist and they want it to stay that way as well as Tango PC to Phone does not exist as well.
What we need is PC to PHONE VIDEO Chat -- how hard is that ?
Thats my 2 cents. Please let me know if you guys agree on this idea of trying to sell video chat for more money then just releasing it for free. I have tried to find PC to Android video chat functionality and I cannot. Please enlighten me if you guys have or know of this technology that works!
Thanks.
Curious if its possible to remap the video call option to automatically use tango, skype, or some other video calling service? I have NO CLUE what the native video call option is????? is it proprietary like iPhone Facetime? or carrier based? or what?
Since I'm on T-mobile in the USA - I'd like to remap that to use a compatible option . THANKS
Tango
Have you downloaded Tango for your Optimus yet? I'm not sure what you're trying to do. Please give better details.
tlee422 said:
Have you downloaded Tango for your Optimus yet? I'm not sure what you're trying to do. Please give better details.
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I understand what he's trying to do. ie when he goes into his contacts and hits video call, instead of making a normal video call, he wants it to connect via skype instead.
in theory this would be possible, but then the reciever would also need skype...
projectsome said:
I understand what he's trying to do. ie when he goes into his contacts and hits video call, instead of making a normal video call, he wants it to connect via skype instead.
in theory this would be possible, but then the reciever would also need skype...
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That's exactly right... from contacts hitting the video call button the phone using an outside method of video chat... What is the default method anyways? is it some proprietary protocol like Apple's FaceTime? or is it carrier based or what?
Another great question would be, is there anything that would interface from the optimus to a facetime device? is there facetime for android? All my friends and family have iPhone's, and NO ONE has Optimus 3D or android's at all - hence the reason for wanting to use another video call client.
Hi Araltd,
My experience is only for Tango.
Currently you can Tango another Tango users from within your contact list.
Tango supports PC, Android 2.1 or higher, Windows Phones, iPhones (3GS and newer), iPod touch fourth-generation and iPads. That means you can Video Chat with other platforms.
You should give Tango a try. You’ll enjoy it!
Android Devices
- Download Tango from the Android Market here: http://bit.ly/lERnBS (choose to open in 'Market' when prompted)
Apple Devices
- Download Tango from the Apple App Store here: http://bit.ly/lpK8XN (iPhone, iPod, iPad)
I am in the same boat as you; all my friends are iOS users. I just can’t get away from Androids freedom!