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HTC Raphael Poll: HTC/Offline vs Carrier/Contract

Just a quick poll to see if you will be buying HTC branded devices offline or getting them from your carriers.

HTC device every time

Yeah same for me. The HTC TyTN II was the first device I'd bought offline and frankly...I don't think there's any going back!
It is however more expensive. But then when my upgrade is due, I will just get an upgrade or take money off my bill. If I get a device I will flog it on ebay! Evens out really, plus the HTC styling is always nicer (physically I mean but the same applies to the ROMs).

Raphael won't be available in the US for a looong time (I'm GSM of course) so I have to try to work that AT&T ROM onto a European version before then.

I'll also go for a Touch Pro without contract - I'll buy it most likely from Amazon for 650,-Euro.

(..it's not like we have a choice here in Bulgaria, phones don't get any carriers' subsidies but..) Definitelly w/o contract.

Black93300ZX said:
Raphael won't be available in the US for a looong time (I'm GSM of course) so I have to try to work that AT&T ROM for the onto a European version before then.
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Yea but you wont get 1900 HSDPA. THat is if I understood your statement correctly. It was hard to follow.

sdlopez83 said:
Yea but you wont get 1900 HSDPA. THat is if I understood your statement correctly. It was hard to follow.
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I did say AT&T ROM... Now why would AT&T come out with a ROM that won't work on their own network?

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Black93300ZX said:
I did say AT&T ROM... Now why would AT&T come out with a ROM that won't work on their own network?
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So you are saying that if i get the euro version-- and flash it with att rom. I will be able to get American 1900 3g? Yea it thought that it was a hardware issue. I feel like i should know this.

It all depends on how generous Tmobileuk are with their upgrade offers. In May 2007, a few months after it came out, I got the Compact 3 free on an 18 months Flext25 contract at £18.50 a month. So it cost me £333 including all my calls (I never go over my limit)
I'm hoping/expecting them to come up with the goods again in October when I'm due my next upgrade. But if they don't I will look around for the cheapest TCO and take the plunge for that one.
Having said that, if they muck about with it too much, removing 3G/wifi, a whacky case redesign etc then I will probably jump ship anyway

Where's the option for BOTH?
I'll get an HTC one and then a T-Mobile upgrade one to sell.

finisterre said:
Where's the option for BOTH?
I'll get an HTC one and then a T-Mobile upgrade one to sell.
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Haha, good man. Are all of the T-Mobile upgrades going to be badged as T-Mobile? I'd like to buy one to flash and use here in the states, but I'm on AT&T so that would be sacreligious.

finisterre said:
Where's the option for BOTH?
I'll get an HTC one and then a T-Mobile upgrade one to sell.
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lol, my bad. I should have had a "Both" option, I'll likely be doing the same myself!!

My contracts are up on 2 phones for ATT: just biding my time until the Tpro is available. Then I'll probably try the Omnia for a while to see if I can deal with no keyboard (coming from the 8525, tilt, and 8125, I don't believe so.), then probably end up with the Tpro. But then my daughter, who's using my Tilt will want a Tpro, I'm thinking. But the best part of it is, I've got another contract up in 12/25/ 08! I sure hope I won't disappointed.
I just wish the x1 would be around for ATT!

HTC Touch Pro - Orange

Hi All,
Will Orange "EVER" release the HTC Touch Pro? Searched their web, called their Helpdesk, and not one person can say if they will or NOT???
Anyone know if they will, dates for relase???

It's been released monday in France, but only for Orange Business customers. It should be available for the other clients at the end of october / start of november.

I got fed up waiting!!
So after 12 years with Orange I reluctantly jumped ship! and went to Vodafone, I Haven't looked back.
I'm on a Business plan 600 mins any network Unlimited texts & 500mb data usage, all this plus insurance for less than I was paying Orange!!
AND A FREE TOUCH PRO TOO!
Customer service is better as it's for businesses
In other words don't wait go to Vodafone.

Hmmmm
guys,
thanks for your responses....I think i may have to give Orange the one way salute!!!!! and move to Vodafone
neilarmes said:
I got fed up waiting!!
So after 12 years with Orange I reluctantly jumped ship! and went to Vodafone, I Haven't looked back.
I'm on a Business plan 600 mins any network Unlimited texts & 500mb data usage, all this plus insurance for less than I was paying Orange!!
AND A FREE TOUCH PRO TOO!
Customer service is better as it's for businesses
In other words don't wait go to Vodafone.
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Since middle of September it was available at Orange caraïbes in my little island, for normal customers and business customers, i got mine on late september. It's weird to see that it's available at Orange in France only with business option.

Various rumours are abound that they WONT be offering the touch pro...especially as the touch HD is already being advertised.
http://www.coolsmartphone.com/news4364.html
Which overall sucks. Looks like i'm off to vodafone/t-mob in the new year!

neilarmes said:
I got fed up waiting!!
So after 12 years with Orange I reluctantly jumped ship! and went to Vodafone, I Haven't looked back.
I'm on a Business plan 600 mins any network Unlimited texts & 500mb data usage, all this plus insurance for less than I was paying Orange!!
AND A FREE TOUCH PRO TOO!
Customer service is better as it's for businesses
In other words don't wait go to Vodafone.
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How much are you paying for that?

Let's say it differently... :
How much are you paid for ( saying ) that ?
Ciao
Fred

If you have Orange in the UK I wouldn't even be considering a Touch Pro, you guys are getting the Touch HD! Us in America cried a little bit inside when we found out it wasn't an option for us at all...

Too married to the keyboard to consider the HD.
Now an HD WITH an ultra-thin 5 row keyboard I would like very much.

I just got my orange touch pro in romania and one thing I noticed is that there is no youtube app. Why not? Is there any way to install it?

not in the uk
Just got off the phone to orange uk and so far as the person on the help desk and and upgrade center could say, there is no plan to take on the Htc touch pro as there is no information of it coming into there itnery. They have the Diamond and p6500 and are anticipating the Touch HD and Shift so it would not make a lot of sence to have another htc phone available. However they have now lost me as a customer as I move to vodafone, being that they are the only Uk company to offer the touch pro through there business shop.
I nearly went for a T-mobile G1 as I preferred the bigger and more easy to use keyboard but then remembered I hate google apps and its a google phone!

Sebrina said:
If you have Orange in the UK I wouldn't even be considering a Touch Pro, you guys are getting the Touch HD! Us in America cried a little bit inside when we found out it wasn't an option for us at all...
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im with tsadek on this one. I need a keyboard and can still remember how pissed I would get with my M1000 trying to write long messages with a touch screen

Selling HTC TOUCH PRO - RAPHAEL

Hello, I am selling my HTC TOUCH PRO - Raphael. It has been used for 2 weeks.
The condition is AS NEW. There are no scratches, marks or dents at all.
Screen Protector was fitted from the day of purchase.
It comes boxed with all accessories that I have received with it.
It is unlocked to all networks and Hard SPL will also come installed on it. Unless you want Stock SPL installed. Any Rom of your choice will come installed or Any stock rom will come installed. You choose.
This phone has a small vodafone logo at the front and at the back.
I am not putting up any pictures because this is my only camera.
I will ship to the E.U. and will get proof of postage which means I have really posted it. Postage will be next working day for the UK using royal mail special delivery and for the rest of the countries will be 3-8 working days.
Payment is by paypal. Price that I want is 400GBP including postage.
This is a very cheap price because they are very expensive on shops.
Any questions please ask here on this thread. Or PM me.
I am a genuine person. The only reason I am selling this is because I have ordered a new TOUCH HD from play.com using my credit card. and will have to pay for it in the next couple of weeks. Therefore need to sell this ASAP so I can pay for the other one. Otherwise BANK will kill me. LOL
PS: paypal is gone highly secured now. They have removed their protection limits so that means if you buy the phone for 1000 POUNDS you are protected for the FULL ammount. UK postage will be covered up to 500 POUNDS insurance. International Postage will not be covered with insurance but it will be posted using the safest method of posting from Royal Mail.
PRICE: 400GBP INCLUDING POSTAGE. ANY QUESTIONS ASK HERE OR PM.
Thank You

Do you really think you can get that much price?
I've got a brand new in box with seal not even broken for 310 from ebay, the normal price on ebay for brand new is between 350-380
Good luck!

mephistodan said:
Do you really think you can get that much price?
I've got a brand new in box with seal not even broken for 310 from ebay, the normal price on ebay for brand new is between 350-380
Good luck!
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Hello, Thank you for replying.
I am sorry to tell you that you are mistaken, the cheapest price on ebay currently is 420pounds plus postage. If i put my phone on ebay I can deffinately get 400 including postage for it. If you got yours for 310 then you are very lucky. My reason to put it in here is that I am giving a chance to buy this phone to someone that is a member of this community. If i do not sell within a couple of days. I will put it on ebay. Thank You

I don't think it's really necessary to strike doubt in potential buyers' minds in the seller's thread, if you don't agree with his price, don't buy his phone. I feel bad for the rest of the world, including you guys in the UK who are trying to sell your Raphael, once the Fuze releases there will be a flood of unlocked European Touch Pro's on the market. Good luck with the sale.

Black93300ZX said:
I don't think it's really necessary to strike doubt in potential buyers' minds in the seller's thread, if you don't agree with his price, don't buy his phone. I feel bad for the rest of the world, including you guys in the UK who are trying to sell your Raphael, once the Fuze releases there will be a flood of unlocked European Touch Pro's on the market. Good luck with the sale.
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I hope i sell it before the fuze comes out. Well you had 2 already.

Black93300ZX said:
I don't think it's really necessary to strike doubt in potential buyers' minds in the seller's thread, if you don't agree with his price, don't buy his phone. I feel bad for the rest of the world, including you guys in the UK who are trying to sell your Raphael, once the Fuze releases there will be a flood of unlocked European Touch Pro's on the market. Good luck with the sale.
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Well considering the dollar is weak compared to the Euro or GBP wouldn't be suprised if people buy the HTC Fuze from the US. $500 bucks for a Fuze is great considering what somebody in Europe is going to pay. Granted you are losing the front camera.

AllTheWay said:
Well considering the dollar is weak compared to the Euro or GBP wouldn't be suprised if people buy the HTC Fuze from the US. $500 bucks for a Fuze is great considering what somebody in Europe is going to pay. Granted you are losing the front camera.
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And you're losing 3G, the Fuze is dual-band UMTS 850/1900.
Not likely for them to buy it for that reason.

Black93300ZX said:
And you're losing 3G, the Fuze is dual-band UMTS 850/1900.
Not likely for them to buy it for that reason.
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Good point. Didn't think of that.

Black93300ZX said:
And you're losing 3G, the Fuze is dual-band UMTS 850/1900.
Not likely for them to buy it for that reason.
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Fuze is tri band UMTS. This one is Dual Band

sumitescp said:
Fuze is tri band UMTS. This one is Dual Band
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Why would the US version be tri-band while the European version is dual-band? It doesn't make sense... I can't say I've seen a retail box yet, until then I'm not sure.

Black93300ZX said:
Why would the US version be tri-band while the European version is dual-band? It doesn't make sense... I can't say I've seen a retail box yet, until then I'm not sure.
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Coz the FUZE which is the US version accepts the all the UMTS bands. I have read it on review. If you want I can send u the link. But my question is why the hell AT&T or SPRINT or any US network remove the front camera from their phones?

sumitescp said:
Coz the FUZE which is the US version accepts the all the UMTS bands. I have read it on review. If you want I can send u the link. But my question is why the hell AT&T or SPRINT or any US network remove the front camera from their phones?
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Because they don't support video calling. The Fuze certainly doesn't support ALL of the UMTS bands, that'd be a penta-band UMTS phone. 850/900/1700/1900/2100. If anything it does one of these 2: 850/1900 or 850/1900/2100.

actually its triband umts!! i was really surprised when i bought it as well. I can definately see the fuze being in more demand than the touch pro, as its truly a world phone. here is a picture for the doubters, right off the box of my at&t fuze:

doesnt that also make you think that the touch pro has these bands, but they need to be enabled via software? i know that people have been working on this un-successfully for a while, but it makes no sense for htc to make two different chips.. seems un-necessarily expensive and makes no sense, why would they want to limit such an expensive phone??

omaralt said:
actually its triband umts!! i was really surprised when i bought it as well. I can definately see the fuze being in more demand than the touch pro, as its truly a world phone. here is a picture for the doubters, right off the box of my at&t fuze:
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I stand corrected, thanks for the proof.

omaralt said:
doesnt that also make you think that the touch pro has these bands, but they need to be enabled via software? i know that people have been working on this un-successfully for a while, but it makes no sense for htc to make two different chips.. seems un-necessarily expensive and makes no sense, why would they want to limit such an expensive phone??
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Well, yes and no. Normally you'd say "oh man the Touch Pro has to support tri-band"... If that's the case, okay, 900/2100, and what? 1900? 850? Either way it's not supporting both North American UMTS bands unless it's a QUAD-band UMTS phone. We're forgetting the Touch Pro isn't 850/2100 or 1900/2100, it's 900/2100. So are you saying the North American version can have 900mhz UMTS unlocked via software as well? The Tilt was tri-band, I don't see quad-band UMTS in these phones, that's just my opinion.

Quoting myself from the Blackstone (HD) forum......
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I have the HD (collected from HandTec on Thursday) - I also have the Diamond and the Pro and so have been comparing them constantly for a few days now.
My conclusion so far for what its worth - the HD is NOT an upgrade from the Pro or Diamond - it is in fact a very different phone and should be considdered in its own right and not compared. As a business user - stick with the Pro - for general phone use - go for the diamond - for entertainment on the move - the HD "may" be the phone for you? I'll be sticking with my Pro for general business use and will continue to work on the HD for now....
Hope this helps......
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Nooooooo..... DON'T DO IT......!!!!! if you've ordered the HD as an upgrade from the Pro - send the HD back to play unopened - you'll be dissapointed....
If it was a completely different "phone" experience you were looking for then you'll be fine but if your expecting a step up from the Pro to the HD then you'll be dissapointed...... Sigh....
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I think the HD is really my kinda phone honestly, I love everything about it. I'm someone who doesn't own a digital camera, so my phone is my only camera... 5MP? Perfect. I also don't own an mp3 player... Headphone jack? Awww yeahhh! Keyboard would be nice, but with a 3.8" screen I'd be fine. The only thing that kills me is the lack of 3G, I do absolutely everything with my phone, and edge just won't cut it (no pun intended).

Blob8me said:
Quoting myself from the Blackstone (HD) forum......
Nooooooo..... DON'T DO IT......!!!!! if you've ordered the HD as an upgrade from the Pro - send the HD back to play unopened - you'll be dissapointed....
If it was a completely different "phone" experience you were looking for then you'll be fine but if your expecting a step up from the Pro to the HD then you'll be dissapointed...... Sigh....
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Thanks for the advice but the HD is the best for me. 3.8inch WVGA. MOVIES oooooooo. 3.5mm audio jack ooooo again. This is the real iphone killer. Coz it has everything that the iphone has and other better thinggs. I LOVE IT. I am just waiting for it to arrive.

buying htc touch pro
hi, im interested of buying htc touch pro (2nd).
but i already made a deal (not pay yet) with a company. actually im doubting to their company as too many website are difference prices given.. they'd offer me to buy htc touch pro (new/unlocked)with just 280usd (1,000myr-im malaysian). so i didnt make a transaction via western union that their ask coz im feeling something in it.i dont want to get any risky and be victim...
so what about price now..i hope its realy reasonable for me as a student..

Alltel TP with cracking chrome

Has anyone had any success trying to get a replacement phone through alltel? I've got an alltel phone about 3 months old, and the chrome is cracked in about 5 places on the screen side. like its split all the way across the chrome. I've heard Sprint will replace these phones as defects.. anyone know about alltel?

VZW TP
If you are thinking about going with VZW, the TP is on sale for $99.99.
And the mail in rebate for $70.00, mages it a steal.
I just paid $55.00 for the XV6800, after a bleeding heart discount.
VZW is not allowing other carriers ESN's on their nutwork, even if they were once on it.
But with the markdown on the TP, and the XV6900 has been $9.99 for a week now, I think the TP2 is coming real soon...

cac2us said:
If you are thinking about going with VZW, the TP is on sale for $99.99.
And the mail in rebate for $70.00, mages it a steal.
I just paid $55.00 for the XV6800, after a bleeding heart discount.
VZW is not allowing other carriers ESN's on their nutwork, even if they were once on it.
But with the markdown on the TP, and the XV6900 has been $9.99 for a week now, I think the TP2 is coming real soon...
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And this has to do with my question how?

Since VZW took over Alltel in our area, we can't even reach Alltel anymore. I have a TP which works perfectly. Wife just got a TP which was bad from start. Alltel sent her a refurb. It was worse. Then the merger in our area. VZW says won't do anything, see Alltel. No Alltel to see around here. Not a direct answer, but a warning to all other Alltel clients.

htc touch diamond 2 and AT&T 3g

Does any one have any idea how to make this phone work on a 3g network within USA with AT&T ???

GET A HTC PURE. You can't make the diamond 2 work on AT&T 3G. If you've bought it already, sorry kiddo, should've researched or asked before. If you haven't bought it, don't.

YEAH
AT&T is supposedly going to get a phone that is the pure. this phone will be either a touch diamond 2 or a phone similar to it. just do some research on engadget or boy genius reports and you will see it. so i think you should wait for it. it is supposed to come out before the end of October. it is going to be 199with 2year contract and 149.99 with a $50 mail in rebate and also 349.99 with no contract. if you bought the touch diamond 2 already, yeah!!!! u r screwed.
here are the links:
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/09/20/weve-got-the-goods-on-some-upcoming-att-smartphones-from-htc-and-garmin-asus/
and
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/09/22/is-this-atandts-htc-pure-clad-in-shimmering-magenta/