I can't find anything that does this on the software that's included with Mio.
Can anyone help me on this one?
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The 'Pictures' app included with Windows Mobile PDA/phones should be able to rotate and save pictures - look closely at the buttons on the bottom row when a picture is open.
As for videos, I'm a bit confused! Do you mean you want to temporarily rotate your videos so that you can view them on landscape on your PDA? Then use TCPMP (Google it), a great freeware media player that plays Divx/XviD, WMV, etc etc...
If you mean actually changing say, a 320x240 video to a 240x320 one (permanent rotation), then I dunno!
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The 'Pictures' app included with Windows Mobile PDA/phones should be able to rotate and save pictures - look closely at the buttons on the bottom row when a picture is open.
As for videos, I'm a bit confused! Do you mean you want to temporarily rotate your videos so that you can view them on landscape on your PDA? Then use TCPMP (Google it), a great freeware media player that plays Divx/XviD, WMV, etc etc...
If you mean actually changing say, a 320x240 video to a 240x320 one (permanent rotation), then I dunno!
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Ah, thank you!
Now I saw it. You will have to View the picture, and then press EDIT. I don't know why this is not available on the thumbnail mode...
Thanks!
About the movie, I've heard about tcpmp, but what I want is to change from 320x240 to 240x320.
Thanks for the info!
Anyone else knows how to accomplish this?
That would take actually re-encoding (I think) which even for a 100MB movie would be a bit too much work for a PPC device.
Such app might exist any way but I don't know any.
Try a desktop app called Virtual Dub. It's free and lets you manipulate just about any format in any way (size, orientation, encoding etc.).
TCPMP can of course rotate to landscape easily.
If you want to reformat the source video itself, as Levenum says, use Virtual Dub and apply a filter to rotate. It doesn't take too long, but is a lossy process because you have to re-encode.
This is definitely not something for the PDA, PC only.
If you're recompressing or reformatting for PDAs, I highly recommend SmartMovie, http://www.lonelycatgames.com/index.php?note=smartmovie&chapter=smartmovie
or Lathe/PocketDivXEncoder
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Humm..
The thing is I can't play 3gp taken by MIO on Nokia phones. I assume that it can be due to "size", but I don't know.
Thanks for all the input!
Well I don't have a clue how MIO's camera apps work, as I only have a HTC Magician, but try and check that your camera is indeed recording apps to standard 3gp - meaning it uses the H.263/H.264 (i forgot which) or MPEG-4 codec.
Also, as far as I know, only the most recent 'N' series of Nokias and some other high-end Nokias use 320x240 resolution screens. For Series40 Nokias (eg. 6230), the screen resolution usually sits at 128x128, with optimal support for 128x96 videos. Series60 (eg. 6600) usually have 176x200 screens, meaning that 176x144 is best for them. If your MIO has any resemblance to my Magician, its camera app should have options for you to take video at these lower resolutions.
As for resizing existing video, yes VirtualDub is the best, but it won't support 3GP (from my experience the MOD version will only do AVIs and MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 reliably). You could try ImTOO MPEG Converter (Google it), which while of dubious coding quality will convert many files to many other files. A free and perhaps better option is SUPER, though be wary as it will spit out some out of sync files on some formats (but theres so bloody many formats supported that it's hard to list them)!
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Well I don't have a clue how MIO's camera apps work, as I only have a HTC Magician, but try and check that your camera is indeed recording apps to standard 3gp - meaning it uses the H.263/H.264 (i forgot which) or MPEG-4 codec.
Also, as far as I know, only the most recent 'N' series of Nokias and some other high-end Nokias use 320x240 resolution screens. For Series40 Nokias (eg. 6230), the screen resolution usually sits at 128x128, with optimal support for 128x96 videos. Series60 (eg. 6600) usually have 176x200 screens, meaning that 176x144 is best for them. If your MIO has any resemblance to my Magician, its camera app should have options for you to take video at these lower resolutions.
As for resizing existing video, yes VirtualDub is the best, but it won't support 3GP (from my experience the MOD version will only do AVIs and MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 reliably). You could try ImTOO MPEG Converter (Google it), which while of dubious coding quality will convert many files to many other files. A free and perhaps better option is SUPER, though be wary as it will spit out some out of sync files on some formats (but theres so bloody many formats supported that it's hard to list them)!
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That's it. Thank you very much!!
I recorded in H.263_AMR 240x320, and since it was sent to a 6630 it wouldn't play it...
I will record and send in 144x176 and try it!
BTW, why does the quality suck on Mio video capture?
Look at these 2 clips and a bit of a picture.
Sorry bout the long reply, been quite busy recently with work!
Anyway, video capture isnt a particularly strong point with Pocket PCs and phones in general... their processors cant capture full 25fps video at high quality - remember thats like taking 25 photos a second! My Magician wont do nice smooth video even at 176x144, and I daresay that the Mio range fares worse since most of them use the slower Windows Mobile 5. Thats just something that no one seems to be able to fix, unfortunately .
However CoolCamera apparently will work better with the camera than the default camera apps... however I don't think its compatible with the Mio. Even if it does, you'll have to pay for it :roll:. Also note that it can only record to AVI - Motion JPEG codec, so it wont play back on Nokias.
EDIT: Not sure if this is the same case with Mios, but on my Magician, formatting the storage card to FAT16 makes a huge difference to read/write times! Try that to speed up your video to storage card!
Hello, I was wondering, does anyone know how more is VGA video playback slower against QVGA? I mean this model situation: Same devices, only one has VGA display and second QVGA, and same video file for example 500x400 resolution. How big in % will be performance degradation on VGA device? Due to 4 times more pixels?
that is a good question. I have an Axim x50v (VGA) and using TCMP I have no issues playing divx or xvid videos on it. I still can't play .mkv packages (because I don't have codecs for .h264 and mpeg4 yet). I have never tried it on the Axim x50 (QVGA) that my friend had. He didn't care about anything but the calendar on it!
I guess as long as it plays fine with windowed and full screen without any lags I don't even think about it.
this has also been something ive been wondering for awhile too. anyone have any answers
Let dell x50v out, becous of 2700G video playback can not be faster on any device, so it isnt good to comparing.
Hy guys,
Just to know, I'm coming from my trusty Eten M700. I bought the HTC Touch Pro about one week ago here, in Romania.
And I must say the video playback seems way too sluggish for a phone like this. On the M700, with same coreplayer version (latest), with raw frame buffer and medium quality and no other modification I could play every video I wanted. Including 720x576 xvid clips.
On this one...no matter what I set (QTV, raw frame buffer, direct draw), everything seems a little too sluggish compared to M700.
do you have the same impression, or is it just me?
I just read another thread here about video performance but it had too much dissipated info.
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Hy guys,
Just to know, I'm coming from my trusty Eten M700. I bought the HTC Touch Pro about one week ago here, in Romania.
And I must say the video playback seems way too sluggish for a phone like this. On the M700, with same coreplayer version (latest), with raw frame buffer and medium quality and no other modification I could play every video I wanted. Including 720x576 xvid clips.
On this one...no matter what I set (QTV, raw frame buffer, direct draw), everything seems a little too sluggish compared to M700.
do you have the same impression, or is it just me?
I just read another thread here about video performance but it had too much dissipated info.
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Which is why it's great that you started a new thread to dissipate the info further. Read the other thread(s) again, this has already been answered and solved within coreplayer.
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Which is why it's great that you started a new thread to dissipate the info further. Read the other thread(s) again, this has already been answered and solved within coreplayer.
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which topic is it? i have smilar issues
Untill now I have found that QTV with Medium acceleration, and dither on has the best performance, anyway less than m700. Setting the buffer to 8000 kb did not had any effect. Still want to hear from another pro owners what they think about this.
I agree, video playback just sucks! I hate Qualcomm processors, Xscale rulezzz!
However when I put QTv, my screen goes black and there's only sound.
How did you achieve to run it on QTv???
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I agree, video playback just sucks! I hate Qualcomm processors, Xscale rulezzz!
However when I put QTv, my screen goes black and there's only sound.
How did you achieve to run it on QTv???
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It depends on what kind of file you want to play with it. On mine, some 3gp and some clips compressed for mobile devices don't show anything on screen. Try to switch to raw frame buffer, and restart core player, maybe it helps?
Unfortunately the HTC Touch Pro is not the mulitmedia phone you want if your looking to run your non-mobile encoded videos. However it still can be a awesome video player if you encode videos to the right dimension and specs.
I took this past Sunday to play around with finding just the right video format and encode settings to play video as close to vga as possible. Unfortunately the Touch Pro can't play videos in full-vga resolution. HOWEVER, it can perfectly play videos in 480x320 which when you compare to a 640x480 video on the touch pro's 2.5inch screen there is no difference in quality what so ever.
When you play small videos on such a small screen you wont notice the difference in the resolution, however comparing a qvga (320x240) to the half vga 480x320 resolution you can definitely see a difference.
I use two different encoders, one being pocket divx encoder and the other videora iphone converter.
I encoded a bunch of animes and movies using pocket divx set to 480x320, 2-Pass, vhq enabled, around 850 video bitrate and 128kb stereo bitrate and all my videos look crisp on the Touch Pro and plays smoothly.
I suggest others to try it out and benchmark the playback yourself and you'll see it'll run at a easy 135%+ which is perfect for 100% smooth playback.
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It depends on what kind of file you want to play with it. On mine, some 3gp and some clips compressed for mobile devices don't show anything on screen. Try to switch to raw frame buffer, and restart core player, maybe it helps?
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1.) I suggest check two things, one be sure you are running the latest build which I assume you are,
2) under preferences and under the Qtv page look to make sure "Tytn 2 driver mode" is enabled.
3) some builds have a issue of zoomed in pictures to a an extreme amount that only a black screen shows when first installed, set the zoom to 50% and then reset to the normal or best fit.
Hopefully those changes should help you out
UPDATE: Also there is one bug I know of with Coreplayer. When coreplayer is launched and left running in the back (or if still active on screen) should the device go into sleep mode and then come back you will not be able to see any video playing when choosing to start. You'll have to close coreplayer and reopen again, I noticed this the other day and just came into mind when experiencing just now again.
I almost agree with you puerrican but I think it's such a burden to reencode....I managed to get easy after I saw that everything encoded with h264, mkv and encoders like this can't be played in the pro. However, everything I had in my computer encoded in divx, xvid, normal things works just fine with the settings I put in some posts above. I just tried 700 MB DVDrip(around 1000 kbit/s and 640x272) and some videoclip(624x352 vbr around 2300kbits) both xvid and they worked ok. 688x400 AVC1 (h264) killed the pro.It's not just the resolution but also the encoder used.
EDIT: just saw the update and I wanted to mention that I'm also using the 1.2.5 build 4506 with tytn 2 mode enabled and qtv on medium selected. And touchflo3d is disabled and I'm using the spb shell (or something like that with icons on screen).
IDEA: I think it would be interesting playing back xvid 640x480 and h264 640x480 to test this idea of mine
Definitely it is pain to go and do that. Plus reencoding speed relies heavily on your pc specs, on a high end specs your looking at around 4-5 mins for a 2-pass encoded video of 24 min length. While a movie length of 90 mins or so your looking at at least 16-22 mins.
So expect much longer wait on a lower end thats not even dual core or lower clock rate.
Until pdas start sporting dedicated gpus from nvidia or other names windows mobile wont ever benefit on being a media playback alternative which is a nice plus for those not looking to carry 2-3 devices for music, pmp, pda, and phone. Wish HTC would look into intel processors for their next unit and possibly throw in a nvidia mobile gpu like the 5500 with a decent amount of video memory. I mean at this point in the technology chain its not even remotely impossible to do so... so whats the hold up with companies???
yeah, i have no problem with mp4 at 640x480 (640x360 widescreen). mkv at high res (above 640x480) is a little juttery. my movies are usually 24fps, 1000kbps, 640x360
got same settings as gigs
coreplayer is working on fix for v1.3
I'm at a lost, I tried playing 640x480 videos on my touch pro and it stutters way too much, how are you guys managing to have to it playback flawlessly?
I dont really get whats good about watching movies on a 2.5 inch screen...do you do that on such a regular basis that this is so important ?
Regarding Video, i just watch some short youtube clips and stuff like that...
Ever tried to watch a full length movie on such a small screen ? I did that on holiday on my ipod and its really hurting the eyes to concetrate on such a small screen for 90+ minutes... not really anything you want to do regularly...besides not reencoded videos take up alot of space on your memorystick...
i dont have a problem with reencoding some videos and stuff, full length movies arent meant to be watched on a phone anyway
Well, a 2,5 inch screen is a bit too small, but our Touch Pros have a 2,8 inch screen
I have a zune and it has a 3 in screen and was perfect for watching tv videos or movies, and thats half the resolution then a TP. Cant wait to get my hand on the TP !!!
To each his own, some ppl like being able to watch videos whenever the call comes. Sometimes when I have to wait for something like a class to start or I'm away from my pc, or even on a airplane or public transportation I like to be able to watch few episodes easily and clearly. A full blown movie yea its gonna be a nuisance for a long time depending on the person. But some are accustomed to it, I for one can easily watch 4-6 episodes in a row without getting any kind of headahce.
yep, its quite convient. all in one device. it has tv out as well, so since it is simalar res to tv, it looks great
music + movies on phone, no ned for mp3 player. plus i can stream movies off my pc
yeah i see that there is room for this, but i dont think many people use this so regulary that converting a few movies is that much of a pain. You will save a lot of space on your memorystick as well.
I have modifying 2 regentries and the video is now much better.
Look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=438318
Using CorePlayer the benchmark was before 75-95%,now 145%. on same videofile - Uncompressed VGA XviD.
Edit... I am sorry. It wasn't working. I just forgot,that I set the video quality to medium before.
You have to chose Medium Quality on Video Settings (with Qtv selected), otherwise it lags so much ..
Even on medium on motion scenses some frame drops
Video used for tests: RL_XQ_640x480_1500_128.avi (found somewhere here on this forum.. can't remember the topic name )