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I can't find anything that does this on the software that's included with Mio.
Can anyone help me on this one?
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The 'Pictures' app included with Windows Mobile PDA/phones should be able to rotate and save pictures - look closely at the buttons on the bottom row when a picture is open.
As for videos, I'm a bit confused! Do you mean you want to temporarily rotate your videos so that you can view them on landscape on your PDA? Then use TCPMP (Google it), a great freeware media player that plays Divx/XviD, WMV, etc etc...
If you mean actually changing say, a 320x240 video to a 240x320 one (permanent rotation), then I dunno!
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The 'Pictures' app included with Windows Mobile PDA/phones should be able to rotate and save pictures - look closely at the buttons on the bottom row when a picture is open.
As for videos, I'm a bit confused! Do you mean you want to temporarily rotate your videos so that you can view them on landscape on your PDA? Then use TCPMP (Google it), a great freeware media player that plays Divx/XviD, WMV, etc etc...
If you mean actually changing say, a 320x240 video to a 240x320 one (permanent rotation), then I dunno!
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Ah, thank you!
Now I saw it. You will have to View the picture, and then press EDIT. I don't know why this is not available on the thumbnail mode...
Thanks!
About the movie, I've heard about tcpmp, but what I want is to change from 320x240 to 240x320.
Thanks for the info!
Anyone else knows how to accomplish this?
That would take actually re-encoding (I think) which even for a 100MB movie would be a bit too much work for a PPC device.
Such app might exist any way but I don't know any.
Try a desktop app called Virtual Dub. It's free and lets you manipulate just about any format in any way (size, orientation, encoding etc.).
TCPMP can of course rotate to landscape easily.
If you want to reformat the source video itself, as Levenum says, use Virtual Dub and apply a filter to rotate. It doesn't take too long, but is a lossy process because you have to re-encode.
This is definitely not something for the PDA, PC only.
If you're recompressing or reformatting for PDAs, I highly recommend SmartMovie, http://www.lonelycatgames.com/index.php?note=smartmovie&chapter=smartmovie
or Lathe/PocketDivXEncoder
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Humm..
The thing is I can't play 3gp taken by MIO on Nokia phones. I assume that it can be due to "size", but I don't know.
Thanks for all the input!
Well I don't have a clue how MIO's camera apps work, as I only have a HTC Magician, but try and check that your camera is indeed recording apps to standard 3gp - meaning it uses the H.263/H.264 (i forgot which) or MPEG-4 codec.
Also, as far as I know, only the most recent 'N' series of Nokias and some other high-end Nokias use 320x240 resolution screens. For Series40 Nokias (eg. 6230), the screen resolution usually sits at 128x128, with optimal support for 128x96 videos. Series60 (eg. 6600) usually have 176x200 screens, meaning that 176x144 is best for them. If your MIO has any resemblance to my Magician, its camera app should have options for you to take video at these lower resolutions.
As for resizing existing video, yes VirtualDub is the best, but it won't support 3GP (from my experience the MOD version will only do AVIs and MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 reliably). You could try ImTOO MPEG Converter (Google it), which while of dubious coding quality will convert many files to many other files. A free and perhaps better option is SUPER, though be wary as it will spit out some out of sync files on some formats (but theres so bloody many formats supported that it's hard to list them)!
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Well I don't have a clue how MIO's camera apps work, as I only have a HTC Magician, but try and check that your camera is indeed recording apps to standard 3gp - meaning it uses the H.263/H.264 (i forgot which) or MPEG-4 codec.
Also, as far as I know, only the most recent 'N' series of Nokias and some other high-end Nokias use 320x240 resolution screens. For Series40 Nokias (eg. 6230), the screen resolution usually sits at 128x128, with optimal support for 128x96 videos. Series60 (eg. 6600) usually have 176x200 screens, meaning that 176x144 is best for them. If your MIO has any resemblance to my Magician, its camera app should have options for you to take video at these lower resolutions.
As for resizing existing video, yes VirtualDub is the best, but it won't support 3GP (from my experience the MOD version will only do AVIs and MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 reliably). You could try ImTOO MPEG Converter (Google it), which while of dubious coding quality will convert many files to many other files. A free and perhaps better option is SUPER, though be wary as it will spit out some out of sync files on some formats (but theres so bloody many formats supported that it's hard to list them)!
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That's it. Thank you very much!!
I recorded in H.263_AMR 240x320, and since it was sent to a 6630 it wouldn't play it...
I will record and send in 144x176 and try it!
BTW, why does the quality suck on Mio video capture?
Look at these 2 clips and a bit of a picture.
Sorry bout the long reply, been quite busy recently with work!
Anyway, video capture isnt a particularly strong point with Pocket PCs and phones in general... their processors cant capture full 25fps video at high quality - remember thats like taking 25 photos a second! My Magician wont do nice smooth video even at 176x144, and I daresay that the Mio range fares worse since most of them use the slower Windows Mobile 5. Thats just something that no one seems to be able to fix, unfortunately .
However CoolCamera apparently will work better with the camera than the default camera apps... however I don't think its compatible with the Mio. Even if it does, you'll have to pay for it :roll:. Also note that it can only record to AVI - Motion JPEG codec, so it wont play back on Nokias.
EDIT: Not sure if this is the same case with Mios, but on my Magician, formatting the storage card to FAT16 makes a huge difference to read/write times! Try that to speed up your video to storage card!
I want to know what is the best format to convert videos for ppc so i can get best combination of quality and performance, size dosnt matter for me.
I am alao looking for the best practice guide.... so i can learn how to get smooth video playback.
H.264. Read my H.264 Bible, it exaplains everything.
Thanks I am looking for your bible.
I think I may have overlooked something obvious, but where is your bible?
I'm having terrible trouble getting decent video playback on my i-mate 9502
Here guys
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67863
It seems you can't expect much from the 9502 - it doesn't have working drivers either - see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=351788&page=8
You could give CorePlayer a try, though
I still have a problem that I have a wmv which play smoothly on my pc but now I convert it to h.264 but it still lagy (as before) on my wizard.
Do you use CorePlayer?
Did you try optimizing (bo Cabac etc?)
I am using core player latest build but I dont know about "optimizing (bo Cabac etc?)"
Can you explain me?
btw I convert the video from xilisoft in 320 res
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I am using core player latest build but I dont know about "optimizing (bo Cabac etc?)"
Can you explain me?
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I've explained this all in the H.264 Bible... there're a lot of areas of optimization.
BTW, the Wizard is VERY slow. Therefore, I recommend not only goig for CorePlayer, but also sticking to DivX if the increased storage requirements aren't a problem.
you mean divx codec, not player right?
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you mean divx codec, not player right?
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Both. You need to encode your stuff with DivX and play back preferably with TCPMP or, even better, CorePlayer.
I switched my 9502's coreplayer setings to RawFramebuffer and now it plays QVGA video at an acceptable 24fps / 500kbps no problem. Still seems to hate VGA video though, but I guess that's a non-issue until they bring out the SDHC patch.
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I switched my 9502's coreplayer setings to RawFramebuffer and now it plays QVGA video at an acceptable 24fps / 500kbps no problem. Still seems to hate VGA video though, but I guess that's a non-issue until they bring out the SDHC patch.
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any other core player video settings for better performance?
The H.264 codec is not a good choice for playback on slower devices. If you flip though the h.264 bible (linked below) you'll see that even a 330 MHz OMAP (N95) isn't able to handle a h.264 video 100% without disabling features. You haven't got a chance with a 200 MHz OMAP and your going to have high CPU utilization with a 400 MHz CPU.
http://www.aximsite.com/boards/applications/222389-h-264-k-mpeg-4-part-10-avc-bible.html
If size is not a factor, then you're not gaining anything by using h.264. The main benefit of h.264 over XviD is better quality at the same size or same quality at a lower size. XviD/DivX has much lower compression complexity and requires less CPU power/utilization to decode but ends up taking more space.
If you have a fast processor and you want the best quality at the smallest size, go with h.264/AVC. If size is not a factor, stick with XviD/DivX(ASP). Even with a fast processor, you will have lower CPU utilization and longer battery life (assuming you are using CPU scaling).
Check out my guide if you want some help converting to XviD.
http://forum.videohelp.com/topic349738.html
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The H.264 codec is not a good choice for playback on slower devices. If you flip though the h.264 bible (linked below) you'll see that even a 300 MHz OMAP (N95) isn't able to handle a h.264 video 100% without disabling features. You haven't got a chance with a 200 MHz OMAP and your going to have high CPU utilization with a 400 MHz CPU.
http://www.aximsite.com/boards/applications/222389-h-264-k-mpeg-4-part-10-avc-bible.html
If size is not a factor, then you're not gaining anything by using h.264. The main benefit of h.264 over XviD is better quality at the same size or same quality at a lower size. XviD/DivX has much lower compression complexity and requires less CPU power/utilization to decode but ends up taking more space.
If you have a fast processor and you want the best quality at the smallest size, go with h.264/AVC. If size is not a factor, stick with XviD/DivX(ASP). Even with a fast processor, you will have lower CPU utilization and longer battery life (assuming you are using CPU scaling).
Check out my guide if you want some help converting to XviD.
http://forum.videohelp.com/topic349738.html
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unfortunately the software you refer doesnt support wmv conversion.
Well, honestly I've never needed to convert a wmv(ASF) video before. I never would have thought it would not accept WMV files, but I downloaded a music video to test and indeed, even when forced, PocketDivxEncoder wouldn't accept it. I then tried AutoGK which is another high quality converter/front end and it also would not accept WMV files (I would assume the same for Gordon Knot).
To aid you in your quest, I went on a search for tools to help you in your task.
Tools tested....
AllToAVI - http://www.videohelp.com/tools/alltoavi - easy to install, fairly intuitive, fast encoding, no option for cropping or rotation, limited audio options.
--I ran a quick test on my wmv music video using AllToAVI. The original WMV did not play very well (worse than a slide show) on my HTC Touch (Elfin - 201Mhz OMAP). The resulting XVID was actually the same size, but played perfectly.
WinFF - http://www.videohelp.com/tools/WinFF - easy to install, minimalist interface (very limited), fast encoding. Unlike AllToAVI, WinFF did not analyze the source or make suggestions on video frame rate or aspect ratio. It worked well enough and the resulting XVID looked as good and played as well as the file created by AllToAVI.
MediaCoder - http://www.videohelp.com/tools/MediaCoder - wow, this program is pretty amazing. Easy to install, tons of options, fast encoding. This program is much more customizable than PocketDivXEncoder, but this is to be expected. This program can convert from pretty much any codec to pretty much any codec. There are options for pretty much every aspect of the conversion process (which may be too much for some people). The resultant video was again the same size, but quality was a bit higher since I was able to crop the black bars.
Basically, if you can use PocketDivXEncoder (i.e. your video is supported) stick with it since it is fast, high quality and easy to use. If you want the ability to customize every single aspect of the conversion, use Media Coder. If you can't use PocketDivXEncoder and you want something very simply to convert your unsupported video, give AllToAVI a shot.
many thanks for your efforts. I am tryijgnall those convertors and will let you know the results.
can I play the 700MB dvdrip (.avi divx) version of movie on pda. Can it handle it?
Hi there,
I was watching yesterday a divx movie (320 X 240) using Coreplayer on my new IPAQ 614c.
1) I was surprised to see kind of stripes (evidenced in the black background (top right panel), see attached file). I have to say that I do not have this pattern on other devices (tested on a Dell and Eten PPC) using the same software and movie.
2) Changing the color profile (to native) helped. So is it the reason for this difference observed an other devices.
3) This does not happen for all movies. As such, some other movies (also in 640X480) just run very nicely. Therefore, I believe this has nothing to do with the hardware.
Do U also experience this?
Any feedback appreciated
Nobody?
Thanks
never heard about or seen the issue but then i dont watch movies really on my device
but in TCPMP the free version of coreplayer one can choose different drivers for play back i if i were you would try and see if changing the driver in coreplayer had any effect
I watched wanted on my Athena (VGA) on a plane last week and it was fine, no jaggediness, or black lines, and that is a pretty dark film too.
Rory
I've watched a few TV episodes and some Bourne, really good quality though. Only thing I'm trying to work out is the A/V offset.
Thanks for the answers...
I will try to play with the drivers.
Anyway, I was looking at the same episode in 640X480 and had no black line at all...
So strange
Looks like it is better choosing IntelXScale as a driver...
Also the benckmarks are better with these drivers...
Will put later this afternoon the different benchmarks.
Thanks again
Discussion over
I do not know why but I did not have IntelXscale selected (I think I was playing a bit too much with the options).
Anyway, the problem is solved now using this driver.
Also, a benchmark with the well-known Matrix trailer (640X352, Bitrate: 127 kb/s) gives nice results:
DirectDraw: 94.93%
IntelXscale: 216.58%
GDI: 106.57%
i just got the new coreplayer and it only shows the tytn2 driver..
is this better or is there somewere i could get this interxscale driver?
just playd a video that comes allong with the xperia, as a video sample
benchmark results were
Average speed 62,50%
Original data rate = 922 kbit/s
Bench. data rate = 576 kbit/s
maybe the IntelXscale dont show up because you dont have an intel xscale cpu
but an qualcomm ?
Hy guys,
Just to know, I'm coming from my trusty Eten M700. I bought the HTC Touch Pro about one week ago here, in Romania.
And I must say the video playback seems way too sluggish for a phone like this. On the M700, with same coreplayer version (latest), with raw frame buffer and medium quality and no other modification I could play every video I wanted. Including 720x576 xvid clips.
On this one...no matter what I set (QTV, raw frame buffer, direct draw), everything seems a little too sluggish compared to M700.
do you have the same impression, or is it just me?
I just read another thread here about video performance but it had too much dissipated info.
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Hy guys,
Just to know, I'm coming from my trusty Eten M700. I bought the HTC Touch Pro about one week ago here, in Romania.
And I must say the video playback seems way too sluggish for a phone like this. On the M700, with same coreplayer version (latest), with raw frame buffer and medium quality and no other modification I could play every video I wanted. Including 720x576 xvid clips.
On this one...no matter what I set (QTV, raw frame buffer, direct draw), everything seems a little too sluggish compared to M700.
do you have the same impression, or is it just me?
I just read another thread here about video performance but it had too much dissipated info.
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Which is why it's great that you started a new thread to dissipate the info further. Read the other thread(s) again, this has already been answered and solved within coreplayer.
P0ll0L0c0 said:
Which is why it's great that you started a new thread to dissipate the info further. Read the other thread(s) again, this has already been answered and solved within coreplayer.
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which topic is it? i have smilar issues
Untill now I have found that QTV with Medium acceleration, and dither on has the best performance, anyway less than m700. Setting the buffer to 8000 kb did not had any effect. Still want to hear from another pro owners what they think about this.
I agree, video playback just sucks! I hate Qualcomm processors, Xscale rulezzz!
However when I put QTv, my screen goes black and there's only sound.
How did you achieve to run it on QTv???
krabicka3 said:
I agree, video playback just sucks! I hate Qualcomm processors, Xscale rulezzz!
However when I put QTv, my screen goes black and there's only sound.
How did you achieve to run it on QTv???
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It depends on what kind of file you want to play with it. On mine, some 3gp and some clips compressed for mobile devices don't show anything on screen. Try to switch to raw frame buffer, and restart core player, maybe it helps?
Unfortunately the HTC Touch Pro is not the mulitmedia phone you want if your looking to run your non-mobile encoded videos. However it still can be a awesome video player if you encode videos to the right dimension and specs.
I took this past Sunday to play around with finding just the right video format and encode settings to play video as close to vga as possible. Unfortunately the Touch Pro can't play videos in full-vga resolution. HOWEVER, it can perfectly play videos in 480x320 which when you compare to a 640x480 video on the touch pro's 2.5inch screen there is no difference in quality what so ever.
When you play small videos on such a small screen you wont notice the difference in the resolution, however comparing a qvga (320x240) to the half vga 480x320 resolution you can definitely see a difference.
I use two different encoders, one being pocket divx encoder and the other videora iphone converter.
I encoded a bunch of animes and movies using pocket divx set to 480x320, 2-Pass, vhq enabled, around 850 video bitrate and 128kb stereo bitrate and all my videos look crisp on the Touch Pro and plays smoothly.
I suggest others to try it out and benchmark the playback yourself and you'll see it'll run at a easy 135%+ which is perfect for 100% smooth playback.
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It depends on what kind of file you want to play with it. On mine, some 3gp and some clips compressed for mobile devices don't show anything on screen. Try to switch to raw frame buffer, and restart core player, maybe it helps?
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1.) I suggest check two things, one be sure you are running the latest build which I assume you are,
2) under preferences and under the Qtv page look to make sure "Tytn 2 driver mode" is enabled.
3) some builds have a issue of zoomed in pictures to a an extreme amount that only a black screen shows when first installed, set the zoom to 50% and then reset to the normal or best fit.
Hopefully those changes should help you out
UPDATE: Also there is one bug I know of with Coreplayer. When coreplayer is launched and left running in the back (or if still active on screen) should the device go into sleep mode and then come back you will not be able to see any video playing when choosing to start. You'll have to close coreplayer and reopen again, I noticed this the other day and just came into mind when experiencing just now again.
I almost agree with you puerrican but I think it's such a burden to reencode....I managed to get easy after I saw that everything encoded with h264, mkv and encoders like this can't be played in the pro. However, everything I had in my computer encoded in divx, xvid, normal things works just fine with the settings I put in some posts above. I just tried 700 MB DVDrip(around 1000 kbit/s and 640x272) and some videoclip(624x352 vbr around 2300kbits) both xvid and they worked ok. 688x400 AVC1 (h264) killed the pro.It's not just the resolution but also the encoder used.
EDIT: just saw the update and I wanted to mention that I'm also using the 1.2.5 build 4506 with tytn 2 mode enabled and qtv on medium selected. And touchflo3d is disabled and I'm using the spb shell (or something like that with icons on screen).
IDEA: I think it would be interesting playing back xvid 640x480 and h264 640x480 to test this idea of mine
Definitely it is pain to go and do that. Plus reencoding speed relies heavily on your pc specs, on a high end specs your looking at around 4-5 mins for a 2-pass encoded video of 24 min length. While a movie length of 90 mins or so your looking at at least 16-22 mins.
So expect much longer wait on a lower end thats not even dual core or lower clock rate.
Until pdas start sporting dedicated gpus from nvidia or other names windows mobile wont ever benefit on being a media playback alternative which is a nice plus for those not looking to carry 2-3 devices for music, pmp, pda, and phone. Wish HTC would look into intel processors for their next unit and possibly throw in a nvidia mobile gpu like the 5500 with a decent amount of video memory. I mean at this point in the technology chain its not even remotely impossible to do so... so whats the hold up with companies???
yeah, i have no problem with mp4 at 640x480 (640x360 widescreen). mkv at high res (above 640x480) is a little juttery. my movies are usually 24fps, 1000kbps, 640x360
got same settings as gigs
coreplayer is working on fix for v1.3
I'm at a lost, I tried playing 640x480 videos on my touch pro and it stutters way too much, how are you guys managing to have to it playback flawlessly?
I dont really get whats good about watching movies on a 2.5 inch screen...do you do that on such a regular basis that this is so important ?
Regarding Video, i just watch some short youtube clips and stuff like that...
Ever tried to watch a full length movie on such a small screen ? I did that on holiday on my ipod and its really hurting the eyes to concetrate on such a small screen for 90+ minutes... not really anything you want to do regularly...besides not reencoded videos take up alot of space on your memorystick...
i dont have a problem with reencoding some videos and stuff, full length movies arent meant to be watched on a phone anyway
Well, a 2,5 inch screen is a bit too small, but our Touch Pros have a 2,8 inch screen
I have a zune and it has a 3 in screen and was perfect for watching tv videos or movies, and thats half the resolution then a TP. Cant wait to get my hand on the TP !!!
To each his own, some ppl like being able to watch videos whenever the call comes. Sometimes when I have to wait for something like a class to start or I'm away from my pc, or even on a airplane or public transportation I like to be able to watch few episodes easily and clearly. A full blown movie yea its gonna be a nuisance for a long time depending on the person. But some are accustomed to it, I for one can easily watch 4-6 episodes in a row without getting any kind of headahce.
yep, its quite convient. all in one device. it has tv out as well, so since it is simalar res to tv, it looks great
music + movies on phone, no ned for mp3 player. plus i can stream movies off my pc
yeah i see that there is room for this, but i dont think many people use this so regulary that converting a few movies is that much of a pain. You will save a lot of space on your memorystick as well.
I have modifying 2 regentries and the video is now much better.
Look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=438318
Using CorePlayer the benchmark was before 75-95%,now 145%. on same videofile - Uncompressed VGA XviD.
Edit... I am sorry. It wasn't working. I just forgot,that I set the video quality to medium before.
You have to chose Medium Quality on Video Settings (with Qtv selected), otherwise it lags so much ..
Even on medium on motion scenses some frame drops
Video used for tests: RL_XQ_640x480_1500_128.avi (found somewhere here on this forum.. can't remember the topic name )
I have constructed some video tests and the preliminary data I am getting back is that the Touch Pro is not great when it comes to video playback. Not at the moment anyway. Though my tests were done with the latest Coreplayer I would extrapolate that the results are indicative of the overall video performance irrespective of the player used.
File 1: Mpeg-4 ASP Xvid 320x160 287 kbps
File 2: Mpeg-4 ASP Xvid 640x320 479 kbps
File 3: Mpeg-4 AVC x264 320x160 200 kbps
File 4: Mpeg-4 AVC x264 640x320 400 kbps
All audio is AAC 24 KHz 64 kbps.
Device: HTC Raphael
CPU&Clock: Qualcomm MSM7201A 528MHz
GPU: N/A (integrated ARM926EJ-S [email protected])
ROM: WM6.1 FireROM v0.3
File 1: 205.40%
File 2: 126.52%
File 3: 159.63%
File 4: 68.29%
Device: HTC Hermes
CPU&Clock: Samsung SC32442A ARM 400MHz
GPU: ATI Imageon 2282
ROM: WM6.1 PDACornerPro v25 RBSN
File 1: 387%
File 2: 140%
File 3: 114%
File 4: 34%
I don't know how much the video performance can be improved with newer ROMS or optimised software but I think it will take a while before any drastic improvements are seen, if ever. I have the video files available for those would like to test this for themselves and can PM the links. They short clips might be considered copyrighted so I will not post them.
Hmm
I have some DVD rips which were encoded for use on the Sony PSP, with the following attributes:
Format: MPEG4
Video: AVC aka H.264
Video Size: 480 x 272
Frame Rate: 29.970
Audio: MPEG4 AAC Audio
Audio Format: 96000Hz 2 Ch
I figured it'd be useful to be able to play those rips on my TP, so I tried it using Coreplayer v1.2.5.
There was no sound - I cannot fix this and have raised a ticket with Coreplayer support.
Nevertheless, the benchmark gave an average speed of 101.90% so that's not too bad.
Has anyone else tried these types of files on their TP using Coreplayer? Have you managed to get any sound?
The thread title should be changed into:
"Don't expect great video from CorePlayer on your Raphael."
The problem is not the Raphael. The problem is the CorePlayer! At least when playing MP4 files. I've tested several MP4 files and the CorePlayer is playing them choppy while the WMP Mobile has no problems!
As I've posted in the topic with touch pro issues:
poor directdraw, framebuffer/video performance.
Just to make an idea: an old device from 2005 with omap 850 200mhz CPU performs better in this area than the touch pro @ qualcomm 528mhz. what a shame. The test were done in this topic (in romanian, sorry). CorePlayer was used for benchmark. I will summarize.
- HTC Tornado overclocked (262Mhz) max performance: 174.22%
- Touch Pro max performance: 172,67%
Both in Raw framebuffer mode. When used QTV it gains only 162,64%. How come?
It's pitty, 262Mhz from OMAP performs better than 528!!!Mhz from Qualcomm?!
The video used for tests is this one. (320x240 @ 25FPS)
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Of course, this may be fixed with software optimization.. But it's kinda annoying that the existing 3rd-party doesn't work so well..
I saw in a romanian review that touch pro is under diamond at Graphics index.
diamond: 1662.31
touch pro: 357.03
more: http://www.chip.ro/stiri/hardware/review:_htc_touch_pro/22135 (go to bottom)
peterbonge said:
The thread title should be changed into:
"Don't expect great video from CorePlayer on your Raphael."
The problem is not the Raphael. The problem is the CorePlayer! At least when playing MP4 files. I've tested several MP4 files and the CorePlayer is playing them choppy while the WMP Mobile has no problems!
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All the .mp4 files I transcoded played fine in Coreplayer. The container (.mp4, .avi) is not the problem it's what is inside. Anything benchmarking over a 100% will play smoothly. I will PM you the links to my clips and you can tell me how they all play in both WMP and Coreplayer.
DSF said:
touch pro is under diamond at Graphics index.
diamond: 1662.31
touch pro: 357.03
more: http://www.chip.ro/stiri/hardware/review:_htc_touch_pro/22135 (go to bottom)
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This is concerning. I want a device where I don't have to worry about converting video any more.
Wam7 said:
All the .mp4 files I transcoded played fine in Coreplayer. The container (.mp4, .avi) is not the problem it's what is inside. Anything benchmarking over a 100% will play smoothly. I will PM you the links to my clips and you can tell me how they all play in both WMP and Coreplayer.
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With WMP the first two are running fine, the last two have just sound without a picture. The codec (H.264/MPEG-4 AVC) is not the problem because I have many vids with this codec running fine.
I don't have the time to test the files with the CorePlayer at the moment, but here are the specs of a file which runs choppy with the CorePlayer, but fine with the WMP:
Video: avc1 / H.264/MPEG-4 AVC / 480 x 360 / 509 kbps / 29.971 fps
Audio: mp4a: MPEG-4 AAC LC / 44100Hz 123 kbps, stereo
The problem of the current releases of coreplayer is that the QTV driver provided is not the one for the MSM7201A processor; it's the one of the TyTnII (MSM7200 If I'm not mistaken).
To fully exploit the "graphic accelerator" of our TPs I think we'll have to wait for an optimized version of coreplayer for our HTCs (coreplayer 1.3 as anounced in their website, as they say that a version optimized for Touchs will be released soon).
I've contacted HTC support about video performance.
Answer in short: "The Touch Pro is not made for playing Media. It was made as a business device."
TyTN was made as a business device and included ATI Imageon GPU.
Hmm...guess I learnt something new today. I always thought hardware wise the Touch Pro would be the same if not better than Diamond, i.e. whatever videos the Diamond can play, the Touh Pro can do just as well. But looking at the site provided in Mike's post, I'm guessing that's not the case.
phrozact said:
Hmm...guess I learnt something new today. I always thought hardware wise the Touch Pro would be the same if not better than Diamond, i.e. whatever videos the Diamond can play, the Touh Pro can do just as well. But looking at the site provided in Mike's post, I'm guessing that's not the case.
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I really think there's some kind of error regarding graphics benchmark results there, since Touch Pro has the same CPU, the same 3D accelerator and more RAM !
seether said:
I really think there's some kind of error regarding graphics benchmark results there, since Touch Pro has the same CPU, the same 3D accelerator and more RAM !
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Someone could give it a try with another video. I don't have a TP yet ot I'd try it.
Basically I want to be able to throw a 600mb, VGA resolution file from my computer straight onto an SD card and watch it on the go without having to bother about conversions. Is this not possible?
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Someone could give it a try with another video. I don't have a TP yet ot I'd try it.
Basically I want to be able to throw a 600mb, VGA resolution file from my computer straight onto an SD card and watch it on the go without having to bother about conversions. Is this not possible?
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I havent tried this yet, but I will once I get back home tomorrow.. Would be awesome if that worked!
EDIT: Loading in a episode of Dexter (original release, DVDScr.XVID) on, and installing TCMP.. Il post results!
Loaded "Dexter.S03E01.DVDScr.XviD-NOTYOU.avi" onto my memory card and played it in TCPMP and it worked more or less flawlessly!! No need to worry about playback performance! Although to get 100% perfect playback, it should be converted or something as the playback did suffer som slight stutters from time to time.
EDIT: The only thing this device suffers from in terms of video playback is 65k colors.
err that's weird look at the results posted at these sites:
http://img2.portavik.net/upload/file_23/37bd53de9a906fe4/table_bench.gif
and this one:
http://www.ferra.ru/online/communicators/80844/ (in the middle of a page SPB test
Guys sorry, but what are u trying to play in Raphael, that this device is not so powerful for you?
I watched almost 20 movies (DivX for PC) / series on Raphael and withou any problem. Video is smooth, great and thats it...
P.S. I am watching movies on CorePlayer
MaRaHoX said:
Guys sorry, but what are u trying to play in Raphael, that this device is not so powerful for you?
I watched almost 20 movies (DivX for PC) / series on Raphael and withou any problem. Video is smooth, great and thats it...
P.S. I am watching movies on CorePlayer
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When I tried to load up Dexter.S03E01.DVDScr.XviD-NOTYOU with CorePlayer, I only got audio, no video... But TCPMP worked quite well..
yeah im searching for proper video settings to convert files to for my device using catalyst or pocketdivx encoder, still searching on that one.
but then i tried just throwing my original episode of entourage and yeah it looks awesome., will probably do that more often with the faster file transfer and once i get a bigger sd card.
The firmware drivers do need a bit of work and coreplayer 1.2.5 doesn't fully support the touch pro as the makers have made clear.
I would suggest waiting for coreplayer 1.3 and maybe a few newer ROMs before giving final judgement, though Qtv specs on the qualcom chips do say it maxes out at 640x480 15-30fps 384kbps if i remember right.
FYI: Qtv is a software codec specifically designed for maximum performance on the 7201a chipset used by the touch pro. This is what coreplayer does not fully support yet (unlike on the TyTN).
Also, regarding HTC's response, why don't you ask the same question again but about the Touch Diamond, as it's not a business device.
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I really think there's some kind of error regarding graphics benchmark results there, since Touch Pro has the same CPU, the same 3D accelerator and more RAM !
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What 3D accelerator does the Pro/Diamond use? What chip?