I think the most promising browser ATM is Opera. Its fast and renders the pages almost identical to desktop (on my Jasjar anyway). It still has some bugs but it is in beta. I will be willing to pay for it!
Beta 2 is even better! Once you get around the WingDings Font !!!!
8)
By Opera can You see the entire web site?
By Explorer some web site are in micro vesion.
Bye
Opera ules
how do you get round the wingdings problem?
I am having problem with Opera Beta 1 and Beta 2 as well.
After I have used Opera and closed it (really close) I cannot start Planmaker and Textmaker. The only way to use these progams again is a soft reset. I have tried installing opera to the card as well as to the main memory but to no avail.
Has anybody else had this problem or is it me alone?? I am on a Jasjar.
Please help somebody as I really love Opera but also cannot do without Planmaker or Textmaker.
Regards
Ok, this a bit off topic, but I guess people could find it usefull.
At least for me one of the most important applications on my MDA Vario with WM 6 (Pandora 3.2) is Opera Mini. It worked perfectly in the Intent Java Manager, *but* the last version (Opera Mini 4 beta) crashes it...
I tried one IBM Midlet Manager - not crashing, but ugly fonts, not working soft buttons.
Now I found Esmertec JAVA Manager. It looks good and it did not crash yet (*though so far I tested it only for a few minutes*).
It can be downloaded from:
http://wmblack.info/
Go to "Are there any Add-Ons?" and download "Black Add-On Cabs" (the file Enchantments.rar) ... There is a CAB "Esmertec JAVA Manager.cab" there...
Just install it - I used Pandora 3.2 with the previously installed Intent MIDP manager and had no problems to install Esmertec...
Thanks to Jimm98y for inspiration (I noticed he does have Esmertec in his ROM so I started to look for it - I have never heard about this Midlet Manager before)
@moderators: feel free to move this post elsewhere... I know it is not WM 6 specific...
Mirek
I posted similar information also on "Opera Mini" forum on Opera (with the note that if the moderators do not like the link to the website, they can delete it, but it would be nice to keep the info for other frustrated users of Windows Mobile and Opera Mini).
The reaction was swift. When checking it a few minutes later, the thread was deleted, together with my whole user account which I created this morning (without any warning). As if nothing has ever existed...
Well, never mind, I just wanted to help the fellow Windows Mobile owners... I do not care about forums on Opera...
Mirek
Tnx. I got it and will try it later today.
Mirek, do you know why you post is deleted? It is because Esmertec Java is not a freeware! It is normal to have post and account deleted if you post warez in software forums.
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Mirek, do you know why you post is deleted? It is because Esmertec Java is not a freeware! It is normal to have post and account deleted if you post warez in software forums.
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Well, both the thread and the account reappeared. The Opera forums had yesterday some technical problems, so maybe they worked with an old backup for some time (just a guess)...
As for warez: you may be right it is not completely legal, but I linked just a web with Hermes ROM (which is more or less similar to ROMs in this forum and which was *not* made by me)... This forum would not exist if we did not use "illegal" ROMs (there is no legal version of WM 6 for Wizard). So I leave this problems to moderators (I expect they may not like the link).
But back to the Opera Mini 4 Beta in the Java Manager. The only problem I saw was when writing text in edit fields. Remember to close on-screen keyboard before leaving the field! Otherwise it will "hang" there taking part of screen, impossible to close. If this happens, just open another text field, close the on-screen keyboard (it is possible only when editing) and go on...
Mirek
I found a nice place with many Midlet Managers (just one catch - the web page is in Russian):
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=1333&st=120
Mirek
mirekluza:
Just one thing to say, this forum is not that forum, what we like is not what they like.
anyone knows how to use esmertec and opera mini with a proxy?
the TAO midlet manager gave u the chance to change or add a proxy in the registry. so u could run opera mini with an o2 surf&email flatrate
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anyone knows how to use esmertec and opera mini with a proxy?
the TAO midlet manager gave u the chance to change or add a proxy in the registry. so u could run opera mini with an o2 surf&email flatrate
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Looking also for a way to enter proxy
you know, for some reason, esmertec java wouldn't allow me to grab and scroll in opera mini. and for opera mini beta 4, that's a travesty, because i could only navigate with the dpad, completely defeating the purpose. i had gotten used to the intent MM built into the standard Wizard rom, but since upgrading to NBD 8.0, Esmertec Java was there, which is why i tried it. now i'm simply installing intentMM along with it.
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there's also that nasty little problem of, if entering something into a text box, one doesn't minimize the keyboard, it will stay there on the screen with no way to hide it, unless one goes into another text box. annoying?
did anyone else have these problems?
Azimuth21 said:
you know, for some reason, esmertec java wouldn't allow me to grab and scroll in opera mini. and for opera mini beta 4, that's a travesty, because i could only navigate with the dpad, completely defeating the purpose. i had gotten used to the intent MM built into the standard Wizard rom, but since upgrading to NBD 8.0, Esmertec Java was there, which is why i tried it. now i'm simply installing intentMM along with it.
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there's also that nasty little problem of, if entering something into a text box, one doesn't minimize the keyboard, it will stay there on the screen with no way to hide it, unless one goes into another text box. annoying?
did anyone else have these problems?
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the same problems here. I'm using Risidoro's Intent Manager 11.1.7.1023 instead which deals with the program's graphics and overall behaviour much better.
Anyone has the CAB for 11.1.7.1029 ? What are the changes?
This topic begs me the question....
i was reading and i'm in the process of "trying" to make a ROM, and well i need to know which is better Emertec or Intent? i have Jaguar 3.1 rite now and it comes with Emertec, however I'm just beginning to explore my Java app options on my cingular 8125.
THe newest versions of esmertec (dated june and july) seemed to work fine with opera mini..including the scrolling...esmertec is included in XM6R3 rom..the one in my signature if you want to "try it"
Good luck.
Plus...
i just ran Faria's kitchen rom last night and i used the inent and i immediately was greeted with a " Invalid application" when i tried to start one of the java games the emertec java found so easy to operate. So i now agree that emertec is the better of the two.
For some reason, now, when I try to use IntentMM, I get "failed to install" and "failed to uninstall" messages, so I am going back and testing this new version of Esmertec. If anyone wants the link to it, here it is. Jbed is Esmertec and Tao is Intent, in case you don't know.
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Oh just great. I installed the newest IntentMM, and now it won't uninstall. Also, now Esmertec has timed out (the linked file doesn't work). I am now OperaMini-less..
It looks like the Esmertec midlet manager version most of people are using is just a time limited trial:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=326951
I certainly found out that the Esmertec in TNT 4.0 no longer works (unless the date is moved back).
I did not try any other Esmertec version, so there may be some good one around... I do not know.
Anyway - Opera Mini 4 Beta 2 now works fine with Tao Intent Midlet Manager so not a big problem for me.
Mirek
mirekluza said:
It looks like the Esmertec midlet manager version most of people are using is just a time limited trial:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=326951
I certainly found out that the Esmertec in TNT 4.0 no longer works (unless the date is moved back).
I did not try any other Esmertec version, so there may be some good one around... I do not know.
Anyway - Opera Mini 4 Beta 2 now works fine with Tao Intent Midlet Manager so not a big problem for me.
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The version in XM6r3 is 20070425.1.1 and it is still working just fine. I don't remember what it was now, but I had an issue trying to use the June version that was in TNT 4.0 (and a few other roms) so I dropped back to the April version. Lucky choice I guess
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The version in XM6r3 is 20070425.1.1 and it is still working just fine.
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is it the jbed full screen esmertec version ?
I tried the jeotek version here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1481439&highlight=esmertec#post1481439 but it's not full screen unfortunately
pierro78 said:
is it the jbed full screen esmertec version ?
I tried the jeotek version here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1481439&highlight=esmertec#post1481439 but it's not full screen unfortunately
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I believe its right just made a cab out of the same April package version thats been posted elsewhere, so his CAB would be the same as whats in XM6r3.
Sorry, haven't followed this closely, but what is the "full screen" version? No menu bar at the top and softkey bar at the bottom?
yes, with opera mini :
no wm6 menu bar at the top (but a "slim" red opera border)
and no wm6 softkey bar at the bottom (but a "slim" red opera bar)
Im currently using OperaMini 4 due to is pan/zoom functionality and general rendering speed. However due to it being Java it has some limitations.
So Im on the lookout for a next-gen native Windows Mobile Browser.
Netfront v3.5 looks promising (dont know if it is available to test yet);
http://www.access-company.com/products/netfrontmobile/browser/index.html
I know the Opera is also working on their next version of Opera Mobile with some similar features.
Bil
EDIT:
You can only download a beta version for Netfront v3.4 (expires Feb 29,2008)
Get it here;
http://www.access-company.com/products/netfrontmobile/browser/34_wm_tp.html
Not even 3.4 is finalized as yet - let alone 3.5.
Frankly, I don't expect much of the new NetFront version(s). Opera Mini, Mobile and, at times, IEM with a decent plug-in (like PIEPlus) are far more flexible and usable in general.
Ive been playing with v3.4 - but am not very impressed and Ive gone back to Opera Mini. Its not as fast or as easy to navigate. I did like the Visual Bookmarks (similar to Piscal bookmarks) which automatically link to your IE favorites.
Seeing the preview viedo for the next version v3.5 it seems smoother to navigate and pan/zoom. Also the speed seems better with the Optimization/Compression technology they are using.
So I will wait for v3.5 before deciding to switch from Opera Mini.....
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Also the speed seems better with the Optimization/Compression technology they are using.
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Seeing is believing... and, let's not forget it's geography-dependent. For example, for a Chinese users with very slow international connections, Opera Mini might be a very bad choice. For a European or an American, it's the best.
If Access' compression server will only be situated in Japan, I don't think it'll be able to beat Opera Mini in terms of speed - at least not for European and US users.
Just out of curiosity, I'm acustomed to PIE as that is what my Excalibur came with, but slowely I'm getting sick of it and was wondering which one is the best overall browser and why.
I've been experimenting with Deepfish and I love it, the speed is blazing fast but as it is an Alpha version it lacks support and features.
So I'm left with either Skyfire or Opera Mini. Which Way to go?
I´m sure you already checked out this excellent post.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1202096
They each have there good and bad points. Can you make a "All of the above" choice?
1) Yes I looked at the above link, BUT, there are thousonds of spec sheets, but what really matters is the actual user experience and how many people use what.
I haven't used Opera Mobile but I tried Opera mini and maybe because I was new at it and using an unfamiliar interface it didn't seem all that good at the time. Deepfish is awesome but no java. SkyFire has a lot of other drawbacks but am not completely familiar with either. I played with my friends iPhone today (again) and I really love the browser, the rest of the phone is just average und for business just not usable. The browser seems to know how much to zoom into; the connection seems a lot faster than on my dash even though my friends line only ran at 166 kbps, whereas I ran 133 kbps from the same location (from dslreports.com speedtest). I think there is no Java support on the iPhone browser either (might be wrong).
2) I don't want to make all of the above because once you get on the internet you go on with 1 browser. When you switch websites you don't just go and start a new browser you wanna have a one for all tool.
ive been using opera standard instead of mini. is deepfish even available? i have the beta .6 skyfire and its too slow. right now, my main browser is the newest 9.5 opera ripped from the diamond. it works great. no qualms with it here
need opera mobile in there
yea i prefer opera mobile 9.5 over the other picks
Skyfire!!!!!!!!!
Opera Mini is the fastest but Skyfire is a stable full browser so i will pick Skyfire. Opera 8 is good too but it wasn't stable on my treo 700wx. Deepfish just sucks.
Guy's,
What is your opinion about the new Internet Explorer Mobile 6?
Do we continue with the ordinary IE (IE5) or IE5 should have to be replaced by the IE6 in up-comming ROM's?
Cheers
ie6 is very slow. but it runs some scripts that ie5 doesnt.
i prefer opera mini
..........ummmmmm....unfortunately Opera isn't my choice.
My view point is, Opera simply renders the page nicely but in other way it's far worst than IE.
Page rendering is HORRIBLE on PIE6 imo. I personally have ditchend PIE for Skyfire anyhow, but just my opinion.
IMHO IE6 is better, more sites are showing correctly. More scripts are working. Zoom in/out is good. Its more slower on 64MB, but on my 128MB it is OK.
yes, I think IE60Mobile better....
for example it have "Search on page" function!
Just press Ctrl+F on keyboard
I will use it in my roms in future - I say "NO" to old PIE
Hi
I never got flashlite to run with IE 6, and it is very slow by normal standards. I do feel that ms could have done better, I have seen a beta IE 7 somewhere on xda but not sure if its a real release.
Be happy
Jay
I think IE6 would be much better with the time so I´ll say let´s keep with it
Anyway I normally use Opera Mobile 9.5 and it´s a lot better than IE
Cheers Tomal,