hey guys, i just set up my hotmail to download via windows live. i noticed under the sync schedule that there is an option to download "as emails come in" kinda like push email. my question is this; is this true push or is it just constantly polling the servers, thus draining my battery very quickly..
It's push. Your battery is safe. (Other than, of course, all the other mysterious battery-draining quirks these phones have.)
cool, i had no idea, thought it was gonna be constantly polling and kill my battery. good to know, thanks
i believe it's a constant polling. i was reading on that earlier and the windows live "help" says that the alert when it arrives mode requires a constant connection.
here's the exact quote from the help/FAQ:
Q: How can I improve my battery life when using the software?
A: Windows Live for Windows Mobile requires a permanent data connection if you have your "Sync Frequency" set to "As Items Arrive," resulting in potentially high battery drain on certain devices if you receive lots of e-mail. If you experience excessively short battery life, you can take steps to increase it. To improve your battery life, you can set your "Sync Frequency" to something other than "As Items Arrive." This action will extend battery life, though "your mileage may vary" depending on how you use Hotmail and how much mail you receive.
ha hmm... who to believe.... but i think ur right mputtr... i might try it out and see how it affects my battery.. thanks for the heads up tho
omaralt said:
hey guys, i just set up my hotmail to download via windows live. i noticed under the sync schedule that there is an option to download "as emails come in" kinda like push email. my question is this; is this true push or is it just constantly polling the servers, thus draining my battery very quickly..
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what version of windows live do you have running? i've tried a few for the fuze and haven't had any succes. if yours is the WLM with msn messenger do you ming posting it?
hey, i also tried multiple versions, and none of them worked. however, when i flashed romeo's rom it had windows live working perfectly on there. i have no idea how to extract it....
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i believe it's a constant polling.
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There's a difference between constant polling and a constant connection. In order to have push mail you have to have a constant connection. Polling means you connect, poll for mail, and disconnect.
The push in Windows Live is similar to Active Sync with Exchange.
so does that mean it doesnt drain the battery constantly? are you saying its constant connection or constant polling?
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I'm not new to the world of ppcs by any stretch of the imagination...but i have one question which has always puzzled me. How much strain does checking email every 5 minutes have on my battery? I have a gsm touch and can't seem to hold a charge for more than a day with very minimal usage. A typical day for me is 2 or 3 short phone calls and several texts..in addition to checking for new email every 5 minutes. Would I be correct in assuming that to check for email my touch is awakened from standby..thus causing the drain?
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You are correct, but also consider that when it connects to check email it is using the radio to connect to the network. So essentially you are having the radio on almost ALL DAY. Similar to a voice call all day. Battery is then drained by the radio usage to talk to the network.
does the same apply to a push mail setup?
well...am i essentially doing the same thing by having GPRS always on? In other words, is this going to drain my battery at the same rate whether i'm checking for mail every 5 minutes or every hour?
No it is not the same for Push email. Push email wakes the device and delivers the mail when there is some. As opposed to the device connecting and querying for mail, the device gets woken (sp?) up and gets delivered the mail for Push. Push is a much more effective way of getting your mail... I forward all my mail to my hotmail account which then gets pushed to my device via Windows Live.
Regarding the always on GPRS... yes and no. Yes you are connected and draining the battery but just being on doesn't use as much as actually pulling or sending data. The difference is negligible and really irrelevant. I would say that you turn off GPRS all the time if you are trying to save on battery life.
Make sense?
You may want to install Battery Status and turn on the current drain option. While a bit of a catch 22, considering the screen has to be on for you to see what the drain is, thus causing a higher than idle drain. At least you can get an idea of what your device is draining and see if changing settings makes a difference.
Link to Battery Status (not sure if this is the current version)
http://www.chi-tai.info/cs_BatteryStatus_XDA_Neo_WM5_iM_cs.htm
The other suggestion is to consider changing ROMs. I have a GSM Touch and the factory ROM was really poor on battery life. I have been using the Blue Touch ROM version 2.10 (not the newest version) listed in the Elf upgrade section. I can now go more than one day without charging the battery, with push e-mail activated.
Could not understand why my new device was burning through it's battery like it was a desktop computer. I can't remember where but I stumbled across the application OS monitor and took a look to see anything untoward.
Well I have an exchange email server that I use to sync all my contacts/calendar and emails.
It would appear that the inbuilt google mail app tends to CONSTANTLY drain power whilst it is set up, I did have push mail activated and it was set to do background data et al.
Removing this has fixed my battery drain issue and I'm now using Touchdown to manage my email exchange, with push mail activated and having no such problems at all!
I'm not suggesting that everyone switches to Touchdown but it is definitely worth trying a different client if you are having problems with poor battery performance!
Hope this helps someone as it was REALLY beginning to annoy me, not even lasting a night out!
Did Google show up under your battery use?
hah2110 said:
Did Google show up under your battery use?
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Not quite sure what you mean? OS monitor showed the system using a few resources every now and again but mail was using 30-40% almost constantly draining the battery!
Also found that leaving WIFI enabled uses VERY little battery and so I've kept that alive so that the current mail app I'm using doesn't poll and get no connection all the time (personally what I think was happening is due to me living in the middle of nowhere there was no signal and so it kept polling until it could find a signal which was using up resources).
Having decided against moving to Win Mobile 7 I got a Sensation a couple of weeks ago (from a HD2) and hence my first Android device.
All is going well apart from the data connection. On Win Mob 6.5 I had 5 business emails which the phone checked every 15-30 minutes. The phone would connect, check the emails and then disconnect. If I wanted to browse then when I opened the browser, it connected and disconnected when I closed it.
On the Sensation I seem only to have the option of data connection on or off. I have set the email to sync every 30 minutes but I have to have the data connection on all the time to let it do this. The battery drain is crippling.
I download Juice Defender Ultimate after reading another thread but after setting it up it only allows data for so many minutes in the hour and when I say that the browser should overide Juice it just says I have no connection.
I love Android but losing 75% of your battery in 6 hours because of business emails is not quite good enough.
So is there a way of getting the data connection to go on and off as required (both on demand and for scheduled automatic email syncs)?
And if not what Juice defender settings do I need to get it to do what I want?
Any help much appreciated.
I'm looking for an answer to this to, for the exact same reason. A "Data Connection Timeout" setting or something similar.
Switch to pushmail, saves you quite some data transfers and is more effective in the end. I have two hotmail addresses plus oen gmail on pushmail and I don't notice any more battery drain with data connection permanently on.
Settings>Mobile Networks>untick "Enable always-on mobile data.
This usually helps the battery drain a lot, especially if you don't have things that are always using data, like pandora and the like. If you have things set to specific intervals, then it should work like your WinMo devices and connect then disconnect as needed.
Admittedly the droid likes to be more automated than WinMo, and you have much less control than 6.5. (Never used Phone7, so I can't comment on that.) But, once you learn the tricks to using it (just like the tricks to 6.5) its just as powerful as WinMo was for the business geared user, as far as I can tell. The battery is something that takes some finessing as well, so keep working with it and keep learning. There are some pretty good guides available that can tell you steps to take, even a few here on XDA for the searching.
Good luck with your new droid device, it will become second nature in time. It took me a month to quit tapping the icons in the task bar. LOL.
Thanks for the replies
I think the fact that the HD2 and the Sensation both use Sense helps and therefore it has been fairly easy to get to grips with Android.
I have already unchecked the 'always on' option but I never seem to get any emails unless I open the email program up...even when its running in the background. Win Mobile 6.5 used to check without the email being open.
I have had another play with JD and seem to have sort of got what I want but sometimes the data connection won't wake up after the unlock screen without a data toggle on and off.
Is there any better email apps from the market?
I have already unchecked the 'always on' option but I never seem to get any emails unless I open the email program up...even when its running in the background. Win Mobile 6.5 used to check without the email being open.
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Strange because when I do that I get a lot better battery life and my push Gmail arrives in 2-3 minutes instead of isntantly. also Google Talk won't stay connected with this setting. Other than that it seems to work really well for me doing exactly what you want.
I sync my corporate email with our exchange server. I am curious, what do you guys think use more battery: polling every 5 minutes or push?
I would think the polling every 5 would... cuz it's doing that even when there may be a long stretch of time inbetween emails you get.
I use push and really don't notice any detrimental effect on the battery.
I would think push as well. There has to be some sort of service that runs on your device to facilitate pushing (C2DM), but it will be running regardless of whether the email app uses it since other apps such as google play need it. Polling on the other hand would be something running specifically for the email app...I think :silly:
I'm using Mailwise on my S6 and have noticed a big battery drain. About 30%. I have 4 accounts - one imap on manual sync, and one imap and 2 exchange all on 15 minute sync. This is an unreasonable drain right? Has anyone else had this issue and found a fix?
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I'm using Mailwise on my S6 and have noticed a big battery drain. About 30%. I have 4 accounts - one imap on manual sync, and one imap and 2 exchange all on 15 minute sync. This is an unreasonable drain right? Has anyone else had this issue and found a fix?
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Depends, if you haven't really used your phone all day, then it would be normal for this app to read a high percentage of the total use...
Yeah, that was with my phone down to 11% after 11 hours. I had hoped for better!
High battery usage after installation
Dear MailWise users,
When you install MailWise for the first time and add an account (or more than one) there is a large amount of work initializing your account properly. We do not use any server and therefore all processes are taking place on your mobile device. It means that when you first use MailWise we expect that there will be a high CPU usage that will drop after about 24 hours.
How is your battery usage rate now?
If you still experience that issue - Could you please send us a message via Menu --> Help --> Contact us ( type "Problems and Defects")?
Please describe your issue in a few sentences - we will get system logs in the message we receive and analyze them.
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