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OK, so I've been using a Kaiser/Tilt with Eclair on it for awhile. I've spent countless hours drooling after the Nexus One. When AT&T finally got the "Backflip" from Motorola, I just couldn't resist. I took the plunge.
I should've known better. I have plenty of AT&T horror stories, and this is the same carrier that wont allow you to tell your Java apps NOT to ask for permission more than once (making Opera mini a PITA but the only usable browser for non-smart-phones).
There is NO option to install applications from untrusted sources. This means anything on your SD card, downloaded from the web or over your wifi at home WILL NOT WORK. Naturally, you also cannot use the "su" command in terminal.
Motoblur is nice I guess, but the uninstallable AT&T paid apps, the limitations of 1.5 firmware (ie: no google navigator, no voice search) and the locked-to-yahoo-search-bar are enough to get me to say NO to any further AT&T abuse.
With the Kaiser's bloatware, they removed/hid apps from you so you wouldn't try to use them and replaced them with their crapware.
AT&T does not know the meaning of "open" and they do not understand Android. You are not buying an Android phone when you buy from AT&T.
You are buying a device LOCKED to a market with a smaller number of applications than the iPhone (I don't use Apple products either ) forced to use a lesser search engine for your most convenient option and subject to losing any application that was once on the market but then removed. You can't install your own apps or even test them on your device. Period.
Also on my first day of using it I got a number of "Force Close" messages including on the built-in applications (ie: Motorola's flavor of the desk clock).
It's decent hardware, it feels pretty zippy to me, but this is exactly why I WONT buy an iPhone.
Screw you, AT&T. I will make sure that everyone I know is properly informed about this crippled device that is nothing like the Android experience is supposed to (expected to!) be.
/endrant phew, going to go breathe for awhile.
EDIT: I will add:
- Set "orientation" on this phone when you tilt it and somehow it gets stuck in one orientation or the other (who knows maybe this one is just me, not seen any other backflips) if you set it back to just when you open/close it it's fine again though
- The desk clock can't be launched manually and is tricky to get to appear trying to get the phone in that perfect angle to display it
- I don't have a separate camera on me right now to show you the menu but to back up with sources:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/1910...n_atandt_not_the_full_android_experience.html
https://supportforums.motorola.com/message/121849
Don't buy this phone. Stay away from AT&T, stay away from Motorola (IMO or at least the motorola backflip).
This is pretty horrible.
I have two questions, though.
1) Can you take a screen cap of the Settings > Applications screen so we can see the lack of Unknown Sources option? That'd really help people see the validity of this issue.
2) I hope you have some kind of 30-day money-back guarantee when buying a handset from AT&T like Sprint offers. Otherwise, ouch =/
I haven't tried to install an apk from astro or anything, but i have pushed a few with ADB which seems to work fine. It kinda sucks, but I really hope that we can figure out root access soon! I don't care for blur, but I like android. Hopefully we don't have to wait to long. Here is an ADB guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=643866
I wonder if Apple suddenly took over AT&T because this kind of behaviour is more common to them
... It's not only AT&T who manages to confuse their customers about an OSS... Don't forget who decided to lock down an open software system boot-loader for everyone *cough*Motorola*cough*
Apple made them an offer they could not refuse!
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I spent some time with one yesterday.
Ouch, even my Fuze running eclair is faster.
They really broke this machine.
I am worried about other att phones!
My hope for an even somewhat open x10 on AT&T is starting to dwindle.
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My hope for an even somewhat open x10 on AT&T is starting to dwindle.
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mines as well. i hope they dont. i know its off topic but is there an officail release date for the x10 on att? i hear it may be april/may
Someone more familiar than I needs to figure out the proper java system call to enable unknown/untrusted sources and then post on this thread the proper at command to execute it via CLI. You wouldn't even need root to do this.
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Someone more familiar than I needs to figure out the proper java system call to enable unknown/untrusted sources and then post on this thread the proper at command to execute it via CLI. You wouldn't even need root to do this.
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Assuming the software running on the Backflip is the same software they released the source to on opensource.motorola.com, there may be hope of that. I'll dig into it when I get time.
Wow. I am surprised that this was picked up by Gizmodo. Do we have anyone corroborating this? Doesn't this somehow violate Google's terms of service?
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Mine too! Just means to spend the couple extra hundred dollars and get an unlocked unbranded one.
I got the Backflip just because I am moving on from my jailbroken iPhone and I wanted something neat and shiny.
I can say that there is a lot of smack talk here, but give these guys a chance here to root the phone and get some things working on it.
It's been two days since the release and I can already say, that I like the phone a hell of a lot more today then I did on Sunday. I've been able to install untrusted sources using the Droid Explorer, a bit of a pain in the ass, but it's okay, considering that if I want Android, then this is the only way to go for now.
But I have faith in someone out there... Someone will figure this out.
I just hope it's within my 30 day return policy.
EDIT: I Installed "GDE" on my device and I am able to use the Google search widget... So that issue is sort of solved...
This may just be my unit but the A2DP doesn't work right, it starts playing music then begins to fast forward whatever you are watching or listening to. Did a hard reset, no luck. Looks like I already need a replacement lol.
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EDIT: I Installed "GDE" on my device and I am able to use the Google search widget... So that issue is sort of solved...
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Can you please explain how you got the google search widget working?
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Can you please explain how you got the google search widget working?
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Eh; fail on my part. It's mostly a cosmetic fix. I didn't actually test it, but when you click on it, it changes to "Yahoo".
So my bad on that one.
God, I hate Yahoo. Ever since that stupid ass cowboy did that commercial, it's ate away at my soul...
I don't know why...
To think we were all worried about how Verizon was going to cripple android only to have ATT do it instead. At first I was amazed and then I realized that any android phone would have outshown their prized phone...oh well one more reason to love being on T-Mobile. ;-)
I played with a Backflip. My god it's a horrid phone. And yeah, Android is completely locked down, with no way to delete those AT&T apps and no installing off-Market Android Apps out of the box.
I was going to wait to see what AT&T was going to bring to the table, but I'm not holding my breath.
Btw, I noticed that AT&T trained to sell the Backflip pretty hard. Like, seriously, I was looking at phones today, and every other word out of the rep's mouth was that I should buy the Backflip. Thankfully I'm more informed than that. I walked out with an iPhone instead. (Don't grill me, I use a Touch Pro2, I just needed a good phone for my work line >_<)
Help i ****ed up my phone
So i just rooted my g1 to get the nexus one features to it and now all it is doing is foreclosing instead of going to the home screen if anyone can help can you please email me at [email protected] thank you
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I played with a Backflip. My god it's a horrid phone. And yeah, Android is completely locked down, with no way to delete those AT&T apps and no installing off-Market Android Apps out of the box.
I was going to wait to see what AT&T was going to bring to the table, but I'm not holding my breath.
Btw, I noticed that AT&T trained to sell the Backflip pretty hard. Like, seriously, I was looking at phones today, and every other word out of the rep's mouth was that I should buy the Backflip. Thankfully I'm more informed than that. I walked out with an iPhone instead. (Don't grill me, I use a Touch Pro2, I just needed a good phone for my work line >_<)
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I really do think though that this is going to end up to be a decent phone.
I know I am a little pro for that comment, just because I bought one. But lets look at every phone that ever comes out. There is always some sort of challenge that we have to overcome.
And; with all the threads I've been reading about this; it looks like it was BOTH AT&T and Motorola that are to blame for locking this phone down. ATT cause they don't want us to install from anything but an "App Store" and Motorola because they don't want their devices used for what "there were not intended to be used for," is the wording I've seen floating around the internet.
But in all seriousness. I am coming from an iPhone 3GS which I had jailbroken. So I am coming from a phone that I had everything and anything on to this, and I am, overall, happy with it. Although it's only been 5 days, I can say I don't think I'll change my mind in the next 25 days.
But that's just my two-cents.
I just got a g2x from the t-mobile store tonight, and it's already got root. Does the g2x ship pre-rooted, or did I get someone else's return?
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I just got a g2x from the t-mobile store tonight, and it's already got root. Does the g2x ship pre-rooted, or did I get someone else's return?
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sounds like you got a hand-me-down. they do not come pre-rooted.
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I just got a g2x from the t-mobile store tonight, and it's already got root. Does the g2x ship pre-rooted, or did I get someone else's return?
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Maybe a refurbished G2x?
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I just got a g2x from the t-mobile store tonight, and it's already got root. Does the g2x ship pre-rooted, or did I get someone else's return?
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Did they pass it off as new? Brand new in a sealed box? I'd be all over this with TMO management if they tried to slip such an item past me as being new.
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I just got a g2x from the t-mobile store tonight, and it's already got root. Does the g2x ship pre-rooted, or did I get someone else's return?
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ouch, you might want to take that back! tell them you found root software on the phone. that phone cost too much for them to sell someone a used phone. especially when they're buying it new. i can see if it was a warranty exchange but come on! they don't even do those in stores anymore.
wow thats BS I'll take it back and demand a credit r something
Does it show uptime?
T-MO's policy is that even if they return the phone after 5 minutes of use, not even leaving the store, so long as the box is open, its a refurbished device and is sold as such. If a rep tried to pull that I'd go back and ask whats going on. Honestly, it's probably a phone that a rep was messing with.
i actually live in northern va too and rooted a phone then returned it cause something was wrong with the battery, maybe you got my return! lol
A big worry would be if you went in and they tried to give you the run around about honoring your warranty by saying you rooted your phone and now you're on your own. Who knows why it was returned in the first place so there is a chance you would need to get support for it.
I'd make sure you clearly explain why you are bringing it back and demand one with the manufacturer's tape still on it and then watch them cut it open!
It actually also had a problem with randomly shutting down, so I just took it back and said I needed to exchange it cos of that, cos I was worried about them saying I'd rooted it and thus voided my warranty. The guy at the kiosk actually said he's had several returns of G2xs with power problems. My replacement seems ok so far tho, and was NOT already rooted.
The pre-rooted phone was in pristine state, all the little stickers on it and no fingerprints or anything, so I dunno. My guess would be someone at the factory or something. It was just a really odd thing.
I did have the market do the automatically downloading apps thing, but even if the market had automatically downloaded Superuser, I don't think that would have resulted in a rooted phone, right? And Superuser was definitely in /system, cos it was still there after I wiped the phone before I returned it. Does the market download of Superuser put Superuser into /system? Plus I'd never actually downloaded Superuser via the market. I just really dunno!
Hi
can someone direct me to some stock/close-to stock roms for lg g2x? i sold the phone. do you think i need to revert it to unroot and put back 2.3.3 stock rom before sending it out? what would you do?
Thanks,
sold it to a private party? no reason you "have" to do anything to it. the stock rom can be found in the dev section though.
yes i am selling to people on ebay. thats private i guess. i search through the development section but it not easy to spot it.
Second page in the Dev section...
Stock Gingerbread OTA 2.3.3 Rooted flashable zip v1.0.0
Yeah, you WANT to set anything you sell on eBay back to stock....
Why? Because they might take it for tech support after they buy it.
I learned that lesson the hard way 2 or 3 years ago...
When I got my G1, I sold my old HTC Touch Vogue on eBay. It was unlocked and running a Rom from the forums here on xda (NFSFan's I believe)... It stated so *VERY CLEARLY* in the description.
Well, the buyer took it to the Sprint store to activate it. Now, I knew it could be activated because I'd activated it on another line just to make sure. However, the guy at the Sprint store took ONE LOOK at it and refused to activate it since it wasn't running Sprint firmware.
The buyer emailed me back asking for help, and I assured him that it could be activated, and gave him a link to instructions on how to do so, and even gave him my phone# in case he had any questions.
Next thing I know, a chargeback hit my Paypal account for the full purchase price of the phone... apparently the guy took it back to the Sprint Store who again refused to activate it - and this time called his credit card company from the Sprint Store and the rep told them the device was broken.. So they charged back my account...
Thing is, nothing was wrong with the device, and the buyer knew what he was buying. Not only did it get charged back, but Sprint confiscated the device claiming the reason it couldn't be activated this time was that it was stolen (which it certainly wasn't)... so I was out the full sale price PLUS did not get the device returned...
I learned my lesson - NEVER EVER SELL A ROOTED/CUSTOM FIRMWARE DEVICE. Ever. Period. Sell it in FACTORY CONDITION because you never know what kind of idiot is going to get it on the other end.
sorry to hear your unfortunate story. i guess i will unroot it and do a factory rom install
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Yeah, you WANT to set anything you sell on eBay back to stock....
Why? Because they might take it for tech support after they buy it.
I learned that lesson the hard way 2 or 3 years ago...
When I got my G1, I sold my old HTC Touch Vogue on eBay. It was unlocked and running a Rom from the forums here on xda (NFSFan's I believe)... It stated so *VERY CLEARLY* in the description.
Well, the buyer took it to the Sprint store to activate it. Now, I knew it could be activated because I'd activated it on another line just to make sure. However, the guy at the Sprint store took ONE LOOK at it and refused to activate it since it wasn't running Sprint firmware.
The buyer emailed me back asking for help, and I assured him that it could be activated, and gave him a link to instructions on how to do so, and even gave him my phone# in case he had any questions.
Next thing I know, a chargeback hit my Paypal account for the full purchase price of the phone... apparently the guy took it back to the Sprint Store who again refused to activate it - and this time called his credit card company from the Sprint Store and the rep told them the device was broken.. So they charged back my account...
Thing is, nothing was wrong with the device, and the buyer knew what he was buying. Not only did it get charged back, but Sprint confiscated the device claiming the reason it couldn't be activated this time was that it was stolen (which it certainly wasn't)... so I was out the full sale price PLUS did not get the device returned...
I learned my lesson - NEVER EVER SELL A ROOTED/CUSTOM FIRMWARE DEVICE. Ever. Period. Sell it in FACTORY CONDITION because you never know what kind of idiot is going to get it on the other end.
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Precisely why I deal locally and accept cash only for anything I sell.
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I am at the last step of unrooting the phone. Im using superoneclick v2.3.3. do i power on the phone and plug in usb and click "unroot"? superoneclick (not responding) at Installing BusyBox, adb command type ChangeMode.
the program not responding, did i do something wrong? anyway i can remove the superuser icon in the drawer, it is still there.
I use a different version and it work
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I am at the last step of unrooting the phone. Im using superoneclick v2.3.3. do i power on the phone and plug in usb and click "unroot"? superoneclick (not responding) at Installing BusyBox, adb command type ChangeMode.
the program not responding, did i do something wrong? anyway i can remove the superuser icon in the drawer, it is still there.
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Try what was done at this link.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1441929
I haven't been able to locate my one S since this morning when I went to the gym. I called/went back and no one has turned anything in.
My question is, is it even worth it to go through Asurion at this point? I have a $150 deductible (I believe) and I'm afraid they will just give me a low end Android phone. Are they still replacing the the S with an S? Or should I just go through T-mobile and get a new phone?
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I haven't been able to locate my one S since this morning when I went to the gym. I called/went back and no one has turned anything in.
My question is, is it even worth it to go through Asurion at this point? I have a $150 deductible (I believe) and I'm afraid they will just give me a low end Android phone. Are they still replacing the the S with an S? Or should I just go through T-mobile and get a new phone?
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Well, a One S for $150 isn't that bad of a deal.
Going to get a new phone from T-mobile will be more expensive than that. (if you are still under your 2 year contract)
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Well, a One S for $150 isn't that bad of a deal.
Going to get a new phone from T-mobile will be more expensive than that. (if you are still under your 2 year contract)
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It's not, but I'm wondering if they would still replace it with a One S? When I had to get my original Nexus One replaced, they replaced it with the original Galaxy, which I hated.
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It's not, but I'm wondering if they would still replace it with a One S? When I had to get my original Nexus One replaced, they replaced it with the original Galaxy, which I hated.
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You really have me thinking about what I would do if I lost my phone.
Now, I just read this. Maybe you could lock it.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2423375,00.asp
Anyhow, back to you. I still think the best deal would be to go through them, you may need to put on your "jackass" hat and complain to them until they give you something that you like.
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using that link, I just located my phone.
I'm on Maximus HD Rom, I just checked the google settings, The Lock Phone, factory reset option was unchecked. (I have now checked it) But the locate phone option was checked.
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I haven't been able to locate my one S since this morning when I went to the gym. I called/went back and no one has turned anything in.
My question is, is it even worth it to go through Asurion at this point? I have a $150 deductible (I believe) and I'm afraid they will just give me a low end Android phone. Are they still replacing the the S with an S? Or should I just go through T-mobile and get a new phone?
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So I have been loving my pixel and I baby it. However this morning out of nowhere when the phone vibrates it sounds like it is buzzing and probably something is loose inside causing this. Seems others have had this. Long story short looks like I need a replacement. I came from an iphone so it took me a while to set up this phone as ideally as I want. I have rooted it and have TWRP flashed.
Is the best way to set up my new phone when it comes in to back up this one with TWRP, root the new one, flash TWRP on and restore a back up? Will this remember all my settings? Will it back up my apps and info, photos?, notes?.
I'm looking for the fastest way to get set up again
Thanks in advance.
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So I have been loving my pixel and I baby it. However this morning out of nowhere when the phone vibrates it sounds like it is buzzing and probably something is loose inside causing this. Seems others have had this. Long story short looks like I need a replacement. I came from an iphone so it took me a while to set up this phone as ideally as I want. I have rooted it and have TWRP flashed.
Is the best way to set up my new phone when it comes in to back up this one with TWRP, root the new one, flash TWRP on and restore a back up? Will this remember all my settings? Will it back up my apps and info, photos?, notes?.
I'm looking for the fastest way to get set up again
Thanks in advance.
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You should use Titanium Backup to back up all user apps+data. Copy that backup to your PC. When you get the new phone, root, install TB and restore. Done!
Do you have a Verizon Pixel? If you do, and the replacement device has the latest security patch, the previous advice is moot since you can't root it any more (locked bootloader).
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You should use Titanium Backup to back up all user apps+data. Copy that backup to your PC. When you get the new phone, root, install TB and restore. Done!
Do you have a Verizon Pixel? If you do, and the replacement device has the latest security patch, the previous advice is moot since you can't root it any more (locked bootloader).
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Okay perfect thanks i'll do that instead. And no verizon pixel, whew!
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Okay perfect thanks i'll do that instead. And no verizon pixel, whew!
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Is the replacement on the way already? When you get a new Pixel there is a way to transfer all your programs and settings to your new device at the initial setup even without root yet. But you will want to unlock the bootloader first which will cause a factory reset and then do the transfer. I did it from my n5x and it worked great. I wasn't even unlocked or rooted and I'm still not. I haven't used Titanium backup obviously and don't feel the need to any longer. But if you want root then you might as well backup everything and restore what the transfer misses. Best part of the transfer is that all your settings get ported over to the new device, i.e. sounds, preferences, security settings etc. Titanium will not do that.
Alternately, you can set it all up again which is sometimes fun. It lets you change a bunch of stuff and make it like a new device all over again. But as you said, that does take time. Anyway, good luck with the new one.
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Is the replacement on the way already? When you get a new Pixel there is a way to transfer all your programs and settings to your new device at the initial setup even without root yet. But you will want to unlock the bootloader first which will cause a factory reset and then do the transfer. I did it from my n5x and it worked great. I wasn't even unlocked or rooted and I'm still not. I haven't used Titanium backup obviously and don't feel the need to any longer. But if you want root then you might as well backup everything and restore what the transfer misses. Best part of the transfer is that all your settings get ported over to the new device, i.e. sounds, preferences, security settings etc. Titanium will not do that.
Alternately, you can set it all up again which is sometimes fun. It lets you change a bunch of stuff and make it like a new device all over again. But as you said, that does take time. Anyway, good luck with the new one.
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Well currently arguing with google. Since I didn't buy it from google store but a carrier they want me to send the phone in first before they ship the new one. If you buy it from google then they send you a new one first and put a charge on hold on your CC until old one is received. I asked them to do the same for me but they said it's policy. I'm having the issue escalated.
The steps you mentioned is exactly why I want google to send me one first, through my carrier I would probably have to swap it right away and never have both in my hand.
If I get google to send me one, i'll do both things. Root then transfer via google's method and then use titanium as well for the rest of the stuff.
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Well currently arguing with google. Since I didn't buy it from google store but a carrier they want me to send the phone in first before they ship the new one. If you buy it from google then they send you a new one first and put a charge on hold on your CC until old one is received. I asked them to do the same for me but they said it's policy. I'm having the issue escalated.
The steps you mentioned is exactly why I want google to send me one first, through my carrier I would probably have to swap it right away and never have both in my hand.
If I get google to send me one, i'll do both things. Root then transfer via google's method and then use titanium as well for the rest of the stuff.
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I have been dealing with the same problem!! I started a thread right below yours called RMA for new Verizon pixel! They want me to be out a phone for some 14 days while I send them my defective device and then they send my new one!
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I have been dealing with the same problem!! I started a thread right below yours called RMA for new Verizon pixel! They want me to be out a phone for some 14 days while I send them my defective device and then they send my new one!
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I don't remember seeing your response on this on your thread. Why wouldn't you guys return at Verizon? You bought these at Verizon, right? Something doesn't add up. Just curious now. I've never had a Verizon exchange not show up at my door the next day, if ordered before 4pm.
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I don't remember seeing your response on this on your thread. Why wouldn't you guys return at Verizon? You bought these at Verizon, right? Something doesn't add up. Just curious now. I've never had a Verizon exchange not show up at my door the next day, if ordered before 4pm.
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I haven't been back on XDA until now and I haven't checked my thread until just now actually lol. But I bought mine from a different retail store called Nebraska Furniture Mart they have a store in Kansas city Mo where I live and they sell the Verizon variant. I called Verizon first and they told me to contact google. Maybe there was just a misunderstanding with the rep I spoke to? I have tried lots of different options but all are pointing to sending the phone in first because I'm past the 14 day remorse period?
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I don't remember seeing your response on this on your thread. Why wouldn't you guys return at Verizon? You bought these at Verizon, right? Something doesn't add up. Just curious now. I've never had a Verizon exchange not show up at my door the next day, if ordered before 4pm.
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Mine is not from verizon, i'm in Canada. With it being christmas my carrier currently has this phone online only. They have a $300 off activation credit going on right now so have had a huge amount of order and it's couple of weeks back log.
Just to back up the fact that Verizon requires you to go through the manufacturer if it's still on the OEM's warranty, the same happened with my LG G Pad 8.3 LTE (VK810). I was paying for the absolute best Verizon warranty on all three lines, and less than six months after I got this device I had a problem with the screen on the LTE (not dropped or cracked, just not working right), and Verizon wouldn't lift a finger to help me and said I had to go through LG.
Totally off topic but luckily LG gave me the absolute best warranty service I ever received. They had me take my device to a FedEx, LG paid for FedEx to box it up and have it shipped to them. I dropped it off on a Monday evening about 5 PM and the tablet was back in my hands fully repaired (not replaced with a refurb) on Friday of the same week around the same time. Sorry for the OT part. Too bad LG bootloader unlockable devices are rare except maybe through some other carriers (T-Mobile?).