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I currently have a Blue Angel and I'm considering upgrading to an Orbit 2.
How would the performance compare between the 2? They're both 400MHz, but I just wondered how the Qualcomm is compared to the XScale?
Apart from the video driver issue, are there any other problems with it? I'd mainly be usig it for a phone, and running Tomtom.
Thanks!
Seriously... Don't bother!
LOL...it's that bad?
Can you explain why?
You will miss your qwerty. I don't know your Blue Angel, But my TC (i think all PocketPCs) has a delay when somebody calls you. Your phone will ring/vibrate after the one who calls you hears the first ring. So if somebody just gives you a call with one ring (bip) you won't hear it! Is it the same in your case, or mine is special? Maybe somebody else with TC can confirm/infirm this...
Yea, mine sort of have that sort of dealy.
I don't use my QWERTY keyboard anyway so that's not a problem.
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LOL...it's that bad?
Can you explain why?
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Just everything about it...
The build quality is terrible. Feels like a new hobbyist threw it together in 5 mins.
It seriously underperforms compared to my Old SE P990i and older XDA's
The modifications o2 have made to the software are rubbish.
I'm miffed I didn't hold out for the SE X1i
^ In your opinion, yes its not perfect, the screen is less than ideal but the build quality is great I think. Much better than my old SE P series phone which used to creak whenever squeezed etc and the flush screen is better than orbit 1
But I would hold out for the Diamond
I want the built in GPS, and the Diamond prices ae too much for what it is...
Any other decent HTCs with built in GPS?
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I currently have a Blue Angel and I'm considering upgrading to an Orbit 2.
How would the performance compare between the 2? They're both 400MHz, but I just wondered how the Qualcomm is compared to the XScale?
Apart from the video driver issue, are there any other problems with it? I'd mainly be usig it for a phone, and running Tomtom.
Thanks!
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I've just switched from a Hermes/Tytn to the Orbit2. HardSPL'd it and installed the WM6.1 that's been floating about here and installed TomTom.
Losing the keyboard is a bit annoying (on screen is usable, but nowhere near as good) - but I realized I very rarely typed anything and smaller sized massively outweighs it.
GPS works very well - especially as Quick GPS which really does work.
Downsides:
Lost keyboard.
Upsides:
GPS - now just not having to lug around and charge my BT GPS module, but now much faster and lets me do all manner of stuff (geo-tag photos with a reg tweak), GPS trackers allowing me to see where I've been in google maps blah blah.
Much better camera - not so much the 2M -> 3M change - but AUTOFOCUS.
SMALLER - now it's not a small phone, but it's not an f'in brick like the last one.
No real difference noticed between the processors. Latest 6.1 I put on my Hermes made it lovely and snappy - and performs exactly the same on the Polaris. Only reservation I've got with the polaris is the screen res (i.e. same old rubbish). Not entirely convinced Hi-res WM is much better though after playign with colleagues PDAs - I've got an ipod touch and THAT is what i'd want somehow wedged into my phone..
In summary, if you want a phone now, I'd definitely get the XDA. If you can wait maybe see how Diamond and 3G iPhone stack up.
#edit - and build quality on my XDA (at least) is perfect. Nice solid feeling thing, love the slightly rubberized case.
Thanks very much for your opinion...I think I might just go with the Orbit 2 after all...a VGA screen would be nice, but I'm happy enough to have the standard one...and it's a little smaller than my BLue Angel so that's always a benefit.
Seriously this is an outstanding device. Software is software and any issues can 99% of the time be sorted with it and normally are, especially when you browse around these forums. Also bare in mind that all these devices now use windows mobile so I don't understand why someone would fault the Orbit 2 over another windows mobile device because of the software it comes with.....anyway the hardware itself is exceptional, I've posted a mini review if you look through my post history and there's plenty of in-depth reviews out there.
Losing the keyboard is a good thing in my opinion. A keyboard isn't necessary, its just as easy (if not easier) to use the software input (my personal preference is a T9 style pad that learns words and is very quick to use with just one hand like a normal phone) and obviously you save on weight and bulk.
The Orbit 2 looks great, is extremely responsive and comfortable to use and in my opinion is the best windows mobile device availible at this time.
Quick edit! - regarding the SW, the rom that the O2 Orbit 2 comes with is actually fine anyway, i've never encountered any issues with it - it would be nice to have the threaded SMS that 6.1 has but aside from that its fine and works great. Cheers!
SOunds like you're pretty damn happy with it then
So the 200MHz processor isn't an issue? Still responds well? Thing like TOmtom run well?
The Orbit 2 has a 400MHz CPU, it was the original Orbit that had 200 -it also has twice the amount of memory. TomTom was perfectly useable on the original Orbit but it noticeably runs smoother on the Orbit 2 - The Orbit 2 is a lot better at managing multiple tasks at the same time.
I was in two minds before upgrading becasue I had the original Orbit and wasn't sure if I'd get my money's worth. I was going to send it back if I wasn't happy with it. I'm more than happy with it though as you can tell! its a great device. You've always got that 14 day cooling period with O2 anyway so you may as well give it a go for yourself.
doh...you're right...I was thinking of the original Orbit.
No 14 day cooling off for me..I'm in Australia so the only way to get at a decent price is eBay.
I think I've been convinced to get the Orbit 2...just a pity it doesn't have VGA...and the diamond will probably be a fair amount more than the Orbit 2
Actually a the Diamond will be cheaper then the Polaris/Orbit2... But my oppinion is that the VGA is too much on a 2.8" screen...
The Orbit 2 is a damn good toy... after tuning the cache and graphic settings..speed was even better than before..
also gps works great...a lot of stuff in a small little case...
I am also happy with my orbit 2, copilot in mo is better then tomtom i have both installed.
I like golive's interface and extra settings plus the website for tracking is a good feature.
The Software available is none stop from here and other sources, unlike the iphone i had that you could only load decentish software if you hacked it..
a couple of minor gripes, the screen is a little shiny for sunny day use and the camera could be alot better.
apart from that i am very happy with it, let hops the diamond touch flo 3d becomes available then that will make this device look great.
the hsdpa speed is great when in the right areas, 50k download speed from my laptop...
the gps seems acurate enough, fast on a warm start as well.
its performance could be a little better but overall its very good.
I would install opera mini as i have found this much better then ie and opera mobile for day to day use.
as for the missing keyboard, try touchpal or the diamond keyboards, also make sure you adjust the sensivity of the screen do a search on here, i think the keyboard is great been software as you can load loads of different types and type quicker with the stylus on some over a flip out keyboard.
the flip out keyboard types can be a little thicker as well you cannot replace or remap keys like a software keyboard so there are plus's and minus's to both concepts...
if you type alot then get a bluetooth keyboard, or a laptop.....
i don't think you will b unhappy with your purchase...
Actually imho any HTC device when just introduced will very rarely be upto my expectation and initially i am always dissapointed,for the first few days,its just a matter of customizing(a heart felt thanks to this forum for teaching us how too) to our personal choice and then i just can't seem to live without them.When i took the Cruise i returned it the next day,very dissapointed with the handset,nothing it could do(and in the factory state it could'nt domuch)was enough,I thought that my Kaiser was far better,then after going through the Cruise forum went and picked it up again,customized it and now wonder how did I ever think negatively abbout this handset,I just love it the feel of it in my hand and also the perfomance,ended up keeping both the Kaiser and Cruise without regrets.
Soon enough people will be getting touch pro's in their hands (lucky buggers), so it would be interesting to know how it compares with the device it is allegedly replacing, the Kaiser.
Going by the specs it should be better in all respects barring the tilting screen, scroll wheel and possibly some extra hardware buttons, but what is it like in reality? Another "what it could have been" or do we finally have "the elusive Kaiser killer".
How does it compare with the Kaiser for example in the following areas:
1) Video playback (obvious one)
2) General speed (may have more than twice the RAM and a faster processor but are they being utilised properly)
3) Camera performance (low light lag?, low FPS on video capture?)
4) GPS performance (Kaiser pretty darn good on this one)
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Soon enough people will be getting touch pro's in their hands (lucky buggers), so it would be interesting to know how it compares with the device it is allegedly replacing, the Kaiser.
Going by the specs it should be better in all respects barring the tilting screen, scroll wheel and possibly some extra hardware buttons, but what is it like in reality? Another "what it could have been" or do we finally have "the elusive Kaiser killer".
How does it compare with the Kaiser for example in the following areas:
1) Video playback (obvious one)
2) General speed (may have more than twice the RAM and a faster processor but are they being utilised properly)
3) Camera performance (low light lag?, low FPS on video capture?)
4) GPS performance (Kaiser pretty darn good on this one)
Feel free to add any more...
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I can't imagine anything the phone companies put out live up to the hype; at least with all the crapware they decide to brand it with. It took this site, great chefs, a few choice words, sweating over bricking the phone, and many hours of "dinking" to make the Wing even usable.
Let's see what happens when better cooks than I get a hold of it.
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Soon enough people will be getting touch pro's in their hands (lucky buggers), so it would be interesting to know how it compares with the device it is allegedly replacing, the Kaiser.
Going by the specs it should be better in all respects barring the tilting screen, scroll wheel and possibly some extra hardware buttons, but what is it like in reality? Another "what it could have been" or do we finally have "the elusive Kaiser killer".
How does it compare with the Kaiser for example in the following areas:
1) Video playback (obvious one)
2) General speed (may have more than twice the RAM and a faster processor but are they being utilised properly)
3) Camera performance (low light lag?, low FPS on video capture?)
4) GPS performance (Kaiser pretty darn good on this one)
Feel free to add any more...
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1) Even in Skyfire, viewing youtube through the browser, it streamed beautifully without a skip at any time (on wifi of course).
2) Hard to tell considering the TF3D interface, I'm pretty impressed so far as to how quick it's been, but every now and again it will have an embarrassing hiccup. Opera does not seem to be as comfortable as safari (not to bring that debate back), just doesn't flow as well when panning around web pages.
3) Low light situations aren't too bad, but oh yes, if you turn with the camera at any sort of decent speed it blurs pretty good... As long as you don't turn too much, the camcorder has a decent quality.
4) Haven't been able to use it yet, AT&T only includes their TeleNav which costs money, I need to get google maps on there.
Could you please comment on the screen brightness between the Kaiser and the Pro?
Also, how does the keyboard feel when compared to the Kaiser?
Thanks
I would like to have a comparison of the 3G reception quality between both devices.
Is the reception quality of "Don Raphaelo" worse, better or pretty much the same?
Please, anybody
It will be a buy / no-buy decision for me as the Diamond seems to have a weaker 3G reception compared to other HTC phones.
relative thickness? about the same less or more any 1?
I would like to have a comparison of the 3G reception quality between both devices.
Is the reception quality of "Don Raphaelo" worse, better or pretty much the same?
Please, anybody
It will be a buy / no-buy decision for me as the Diamond seems to have a weaker 3G reception compared to other HTC phones.
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I will let you know tomorrow, touch pro waiting for me at home! Been using slingplayer on my tytn II for the past few months. My train journey in the morning loses connection for about 30 seconds in one dead area, so the journey tomorrow will be a good comparison on this one.
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I will let you know tomorrow, touch pro waiting for me at home! Been using slingplayer on my tytn II for the past few months. My train journey in the morning loses connection for about 30 seconds in one dead area, so the journey tomorrow will be a good comparison on this one.
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Great! You are exactly the user I was waiting for.
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aven't been able to use it yet, AT&T only includes their TeleNav which costs money, I need to get google maps on there.
You could use GpsTest and see how quickly you get a fix.
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I will let you know tomorrow, touch pro waiting for me at home! Been using slingplayer on my tytn II for the past few months. My train journey in the morning loses connection for about 30 seconds in one dead area, so the journey tomorrow will be a good comparison on this one.
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Yes and please post your slingplayer experience on touch pro on the new thread I have just created.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=417172
steveoidm said:
I will let you know tomorrow, touch pro waiting for me at home! Been using slingplayer on my tytn II for the past few months. My train journey in the morning loses connection for about 30 seconds in one dead area, so the journey tomorrow will be a good comparison on this one.
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Very interested in your experience of this too .
isnt the TYTN II full quad band with 3G on both sides of the atlantic? this is better than the Raphael
Ok, good news! Although this was only one journey, I can say that the connection for me is definitely slightly better than my tytn. I only lost signal once in that dead area for around 30 seconds, but there were no other blips at all (journey is around 25 minutes).
As far as the picture goes, I can definitely say that it seemed much better. Not 100% sure whether this is due to the better screen, or increased H speed. Probably a bit of both.
This phone is awesome! Haven't found the interface to be slow at all. Guy sitting next to me has an iphone 3g and if anyone tells you that interface never lags then they are lying!
And GPS is very fast and rock solid!
What about camera? Can someone who had Kaiser before elaborate on it? Kaiser used to JUST DIE when there's low lighting. Old wizard's camera would beat kaiser's camera senseless, which I find embarrassing.
How is the keyboard of Touch pro compared to TYTNII? Size of keys? Tactile feedback?
could someone run some test softwares on both to see the performance difference in numbers??
How is the keyboard of Touch pro compared to TYTNII? Size of keys? Tactile feedback?
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Just as tactile. Keys are slightly smaller, but the extra row of keys is really handy. I prefer it.
Coreplayer and TCPMP comparisions anyone?
Camera in Kaiser has been almost useless. Is the Raphael better or identical? They seem to have the same spes.
I am finding the lack of hardware button mapping to soft keys the biggest negative for the raphael wheras the navigation pad can compensate for the sroll wheel on the kaiser.
Hi all,
I thought it would be good to have a thread that compares Touch Pro to Hermes.
For those who have a Touch Pro and have had a Hermes please share with us your thoughts on speed, use of keyboard, reception, battery and anything else you care to mention.
Well, there's way more RAM/ROM. The Raphael also has GPS, 5 row keyboard, VGA 2.8 screen, and a much better camera. There's a lot more but that's just the giss of things.
Does the faster processor and more memory actually translate into better performance in reality?
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Does the faster processor and more memory actually translate into better performance in reality?
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Definitely, much better performance, especially coming from a Hermes. The numbers aren't just numbers, they represent qualities of the hardware
i tried the tilt and honestly even with more ram and rom didnt notice a huge difference
has anyone tried out pocketcm on a touch pro yet? interested in how that runs with skyfire and a few other things at the same time
From what i've heard, Skyfire doesn't run well with the phone all in all. You'll notice the RAM/ROM difference when you have more things open in the background.
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From what i've heard, Skyfire doesn't run well with the phone all in all. You'll notice the RAM/ROM difference when you have more things open in the background.
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Yeah, that's what I've heard... Someone once told me it only displays on half screen if you try to input text, or if you switch from profile to landscape view.
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Yeah, that's what I've heard... Someone once told me it only displays on half screen if you try to input text, or if you switch from profile to landscape view.
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LOL, well guess who i heard all of this off of..i wonder?
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Yeah, that's what I've heard... Someone once told me it only displays on half screen if you try to input text, or if you switch from profile to landscape view.
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no no he solved that problem
if you start it in landscape its fine
but if you slide it either way while its running it messes up
im just hoping a vga version comes out by the time the phone is out
but he said it still looks great on the screen
but ya on my 8525 just having wmp open and anything else stutters im gona love the new one
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Well, there's way more RAM/ROM. The Raphael also has GPS, 5 row keyboard, VGA 2.8 screen, and a much better camera. There's a lot more but that's just the giss of things.
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More memory, compared to the Mogul, will be the biggest factor. TouchFlo probably hurts speed some
Well I've got them both fully loaded with my usual stuff at the moment.
Hermes - 20MB RAM, 45MB Storage (most apps installed on card, would be about 10MB tops) free
Diamond - 135MB RAM, 222MB Storage free.
So no more constantly shifting apps & files to the card to keep memory clear, programs should hopefully stay loaded instead of being auo closed to free memory.
The screen, as expected is in a totally different league. Anyone who says VGA doesn't matter on such a small screen either has never used one, or has poor eyesight.
Size-wise I was worried about it being bigger than the Diamond, but fact is, it's still 35% smaller than the Hermes, so feels great in both hand and pocket. It's a little lighter but that's not too noticable. It feels a lot more solid, too.
Even after 2 years of tweaking, customising, and getting the Hermes to meet my needs as much as I can, the Touch Pro still feels a whole lot more polished and professional, even with the barely-tweaked base ROM.
Battery-wise, it's too early to tell. Ive barely had it 24 hours, but after a morning of texting, email, wifi, 3G, and an hour or so of GPS, 6 hous later it looks like I'm down to about 2/3. I wish this thing had proper battery percentages, though.
Only current issues:
-I need to find out how to turn that damn autocorrect bar off. Checked every option I can find. Time to go forum searching (hear that, any reading noobs? This forum has SEARCH!)
-Find a way to replace the scrollwheel.
Absolutely a worth upgrade though, and so far, it's everything I thought it would be.
Didnt know what was gonna be next on the purchase list but I skipped the Kaiser since I couldnt justify another LARGE purchase after a years worth of Hermes, Raph is definatly on the cards when i get home (23rd August) so am glad somebody made this thread
Count me in too. I've had the Wizard and Hermes, but skipped the Kaiser. The VGA screen alone should be worth the upgrade for us!
I had all sorts problems trying to view facebook on opera mobile on the Hermes - tried several new betas of opera 9 as they came out but never did have any luck. It kept either crashing completely or coming up with out of memory errors. In the end I gave up and went to opera mini.
No such issues with the Touch Pro though, opera mobile runs very smoothly on it.
I would rather compare Raphael with Kaiser.
I owns TYTN and Kaiser so do not have plan or budget to upgrade it at the pricing peak. You know wm7 and android mobile are coming out in the end of next year so..I love raphael a lot but might just wait for a reasonable price.
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Only current issues:
-I need to find out how to turn that damn autocorrect bar off. Checked every option I can find. Time to go forum searching (hear that, any reading noobs? This forum has SEARCH!)
-Find a way to replace the scrollwheel.
Absolutely a worth upgrade though, and so far, it's everything I thought it would be.
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Same issues and impressions here, + I still need to get used to lack of button and Touchflo 3D instead. It's sometimes confusing, like when using the WM background that eventually need a stylus.
-I need to find out how to turn that damn autocorrect bar off. Checked every option I can find. Time to go forum searching (hear that, any reading noobs? This forum has SEARCH!)
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I turned it off by using the on-screen keyboard, which has a button for "ABC/T9". Switch it to ABC and the T9 predictive text (autocorrect) is turned off. Worked a treat for me. I (accidentally) found this option early on, so I don't know if there's another way of doing it (there probably is).
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I turned it off by using the on-screen keyboard, which has a button for "ABC/T9". Switch it to ABC and the T9 predictive text (autocorrect) is turned off. Worked a treat for me. I (accidentally) found this option early on, so I don't know if there's another way of doing it (there probably is).
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Well I spent about an hour poking around in the registry when I accidentally found it too. Thanks for putting the info up for everyone else, too.
Who the hell thought that POS was a good idea anyway? It's the worst thing I've ever seen on a Windows Mobile device, and I've seen some real crud.
For those who have a Touch Pro and have had a Hermes please share with us your thoughts on speed, use of keyboard, reception, battery and anything else you care to mention.
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I come from an (Orange SPV M3100) TyTN (Hermes) to a (HTC) Touch Pro (Raphael), and so far I'd say just about everything about the phone is better:
- Size: The Raphael is smaller; when compared side by side it doesn't look like by a lot, but it's very noticeable in the hand and in the pocket.
- Weight: The Raphael felt slightly heavier in my hand than the Hermes, but to me this is nothing bad (I'd argue it feels 'better' in the hand, combined with the smaller size).
- General feel: It sits better in the hand hand the Hermes (size playing in again).
- Look: TouchFLO3D looks sweet.
- Speed: Generally faster, overall no complaints (TF3D sometimes is a bit sluggish, for no apparent reason, haven't tracked it down or done any troubleshooting, it's only happened twice).
- Battery: A bit early for me to compare, I'd say at least as good. The Hermes didn't have GPS of course.
- Reception seem about the same for me.
- Keyboard: Took a little getting used to (buttons are a little smaller and feel a little different), but once you are, it's great. Five rows and a near-full QWERTY keyboard helps a lot too. The spring loading is totally awesome
- Input methods: The on-screen keyboard options are also very good and a lot better than the on-screen options on the Hermes.
- Touch: The phone is generally much better designed for using your fingers on the screen. This has a lot to do with it not being recessed into the case. This combined with better on-screen input methods means I'm using the screen without the stylus a lot more, which again means I'm able to operate it one-handed better than the Hermes. A big plus.
- Screen: Well, what can I say. The VGA screen is just brilliant.
That's all good, right? Yep, so far, so good, but hey, I've only had it a few days
The most annoying thing for me was the backlight not coming fully on when attempting to unlock the screen - this made the screen impossible to read outdoors in almost any kind of light when trying to unlock. I'm using S2U2 which does what I want and fits my usage pattern (set it up to lock on backlight off and on, and I've always been in the habit of pressing the power button to turn of the screen when finishing anything).
Edit: I stand corrected in that the backlight is adjustable for when the device is locked: Start -> Settings -> Power -> Backlight
The second most annoying thing is that since using it one-handed a lot more than the Hermes, it can be tricky to hit the correct buttons/areas that are close to the screen edges with your fingers - including the on-screen keyboards. Sometimes random stuff happens as a result of such attempts
Another thing is the auto correction. The auto correct feature of the Raphael is T9 predictive text. For my usage, which means using a QWERTY keyboard (slide-out or on-screen), T9 makes absolutely no sense (if you use on-screen phone keypad then I can see that it might be useful, as on 'normal' phones, but when using a keyboard it needs to work differently). The Hermes had a (limited) sort of auto correction, but the way it worked seemed to make more sense to me. Don't get me wrong, it could be improved a lot.
I do miss an "OK" button on the slide-out keyboard to confirm/close applications without having to press the screen. For that matter, the "OK" button on the front of the Hermes was useful too, although with the Raphael you're clearly meant to operate it using the fingers on the screen. The only tricky bit is that "OK" is in the top right corner, making it a bit hard to hit (correctly) with your fingers.
Hey guys,
Although I am not among you, I think it would be extremely helpful/eye-opening to conduct a poll of all current HTC Touch Pro owners who have had their device for enough time to make an initial assessment of the device's quality. That means probably at least a week--but use your own discretion. Just a few suggested guidelines:
Don't let the initial euphoria blur your judgment
Think for a few moments before submitting a vote
Compare, if possible, the quality of the device to, say, that of an iPhone, if you've ever owned one or used it extensively, to provide a point of reference.
I look forward to hearing everyone's input!
-Steve
I think it would be helpful if you clarified what you mean by "device quality". Hardware, software, reception, screen, input, battery, performance, etc. Maybe you're asking for "all of the above", but at least it would help people approach it catagorically -- that way people can speak to specific things that have made an impression on them.
It's the best i've used, and the best there is on the market at this moment. I've shut off TF3D though and replaced it with Mobile Shell. Now using it with great pleasure.
With the exception of the "sleeve" and somewhat slow GPS, I am very pleased with my TP.
Great device, and i bet there is more to come with some updates in the near future. That's the reason I voted Above Avarage.
As far as functionality goes, it has all I want: telephone, mail, internet and navigation. Next to that there is a lot of software out there.
A few quircks here and there ofcourse. Like almost instant fixes with Google Maps...and 15 to 20 minutes GPS fixing time with Tom Tom 7.
Battery life could be better as well
I would have liked to add some today plugins into TF3D, or be able to add new tabs
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I think it would be helpful if you clarified what you mean by "device quality". Hardware, software, reception, screen, input, battery, performance, etc. Maybe you're asking for "all of the above", but at least it would help people approach it catagorically -- that way people can speak to specific things that have made an impression on them.
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Yeah; I was thinking about doing a categorical breakdown, but in the end, that would have taken a lot of polls.
I hope this is sufficient.
two big problems:
1. battery consumption
2. signal reception
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Yeah; I was thinking about doing a categorical breakdown, but in the end, that would have taken a lot of polls.
I hope this is sufficient.
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Well, maybe not with the poll, but at least for any comments. I mean everyone has different needs and expectations for the device so it'll be hard to judge the poll accurately without seeing some objective testimony.
But what am I babbling about, here's some of my thoughts:
- Not the most solid handheled device I've had (my old iPaq hx4700 was a tank), but it comes very close and is definitely not a cheap build. Better than the Blackjack and some Blackberries, but I haven't spent very much time with those and I certainly don't know how well the TPro's build will last over time.
- WM6.1 isn't perfect, but then XDA is very active. Plus there are apps for just about anything you need. I spent some time with a Nokia N800, and while it's nice that Maemo is (almost) completely open-source -- which makes for an equally active community -- you're plain out of luck if no one is developing something you need. Namely, the software probably exists on standard Linux distros, but very little of it has been ported to Maemo. This is the same reason I decided not to jump on the Android bandwagon right away.
- Finally, I now have one device that does everything I needed my old devices to do. US phone (Nokia 6300), Japan phone (SE W43S), electronic dictionary (hx4700), internet device (hx4700/N800), mp3 player.
- Same observations as others: GPS is laggy, though not really an issue since I only use it as a pedestrian; battery life isn't impressive. I will probably buy a USB battery pack later.
So far v.happy, just need to solve the backlight issue when in call, and the Sim contacts list.
I've had my TP for almost 3 weeks now - it was one of the first on the market. I have used HTC qwerty based devices for several years now and this is by far the best device. I dearly loved my Tytn II but the hardware in this device is much better.
I own a 3G iPhone also and while this device is definitely a joy to use it is far from ever replacing my TP as my preference business device.
I decided to continue to run the 3D flow against other utilities but it's far from perfect - however developed with the correct user feedback it will be a great tool.
While 6.1 runs quite smoothly on the device the interface obviously lets the device down. I also have had a few lockups but no more than other devices.
The battery is pretty shocking to be honest. I use a scheduler to shut down BT and even the radio stack at night to preserve battery but to be honest if I were going away for anymore that 24 hours I would have to take a charger.
GPS has has been quick to locate a signal but I've encountered issues with TT6 \ and or Googlemaps. I currently run IGO8 and it runs very well.
Finally this device has a half-decent web browser on it - Opera mobile is great. IE mobile is a shambles.
Micro SD is essential - currently running an 8GB card with all my music, apps and vids. No idea why they left it off the Diamond - crazy in my opinion.
If anyone has any quick questions I'd be happy to answer them.
I was hoping by going with a non-American device (which has three times the processor of its American counterparts), I would have a more stable device. Overall, best phone I've ever had. A little disappointed that I need to soft reset every couple of days.
Don't regret it...leaps and bounds over my previous device.
Wow guys, thanks a ton for the feedback so far. This is extremely informative stuff to all of us prospective buyers. Personally, I'll be getting the phone through our Sprint corporate account, but as with everything that's a significant investment I have been trying to read up as much as possible on it beforehand to accurately set my expectations and prepare myself for problems that will need to be solved.
I use SPB Mobile Shell on my Mogul right now, and while I like it, I love the flair of TouchFlo3D... I just hope it is equally useful and quick (so far to that end it seems to be not quite as useful). I think I will try replacing the default contact manager on my Pro with Finger-Friendly Friends provided that will work all right. I also hope that the US release a month or so from now will see additional improvements in terms of software stability and speed (though probably not battery life).
Apart from that, I'm quite excited about everything I have read about the device. And I've always been a sucker for statistics, so having a poll on such an educated and active forum is of remarkable interest.
-Steve
The best device that I ever owned.
Like others I´m having some troubles with the GPS (reception time) and other issues like the screen going of of on a call.
So far I kinda like it.
Nevertheless I'll vote in the pole and give a complete feedback as soon as HTC repairs it (I have a sound problem...)
Hows the sound quality of the internal speaker?
Greetings
LordK
The only problem of the internal speaker is that the volume is a little bit low (compared to my colleagues' blackberrys)
Rated it Above Average!
I am using the TP for 2 weeks now. I've experienced the 'broken glass' screen and the grey-screen once.
The device is pretty quick and TF3D works nice although there are some moment when it does something completely different than what i wanted it to do.
Issues i like to see solved:
- Album cover view in TF3D music tab
- Fix for lag with TomTom
- Battery usage
Things I love:
- Memory
- Speed
- Screen
- Keyboard
I've had mine 3 weeks so far, upgrading from my beloved HTC Universal. It's a great machine but I'm not blind to it's faults, I Like Touch Flo a lot but it's just a thin layer over old ugly windows mobile.
As powerful as it is it just isn't as responsive as an iPhone, way too sluggish, expect the usual windows mobile pauses and spinning wait cursor.
The screen is too small, I liked my big screened Universal but the screen is such high quality it goes some way to making up for being small (it really is crisp).
The keyboard is ok but it's a thumbboard, I won't be knocking out the emails I used to on it. The slide action is distinctly wobbly to me, not bad, but not the decisive slide movement I expected. The onscreen keyboard is surprisingly usable much more so than the bigger IPhone one.
Memory is fantastic, loads of it, I never bother shutting things down which I was always doing on the universal.
Lockups, yup a disappointing number but a definate improvement on the universal.
GPS, not really a problem, it seems fast, but as far as I can see tomtom5 doesn't initialise the built in gps reciever so I start googlemaps, get a fast lock then switch to tomtom I notice tomtom6 has an option for built in GPS.
Lack of headphone socket is a crazy omission, it's driving me crazy and was almost a factor in not buying it, it's only 10 quid for an adaptor but just something else to carry.
The opera browser is pretty good and responsive but the icons it uses are way too chunky considering the screen is so small, talking of chunky, the menus are all pretty huge, I found how to make the start menu smaller but most menus now eg messaging, need arrows at the top and bottom to scroll the duplo vision menus into place. Also needed a hack to get googlemail working and is so small that almost every site needs a zoom to read it whereas I found I could read a lot of sites on the iPhone without zooming.
I also hate the mini sd card being hidden inside the case, it makes changing cards a pain, I'd also rather have an sd card, for the sake of a little bit bigger unit.
I never considered the IPhone because it has no physical keyboard and it was unable to run GotoMyPC but the difference between the IPhone and the Touch Pro is responsiveness, given it's a more powerful machine it's a damning indictment of windows mobile that it's so sluggish.
I just hope that there's an Android rom released for the Raphael. I'll be getting the ATT Touch Pro (or is it still considered the 'Fuze'?) when it's available as I've been drooling over the TP for a long time now. I'll deal with WM6.1 as long as I have to, but I really like Android, and would switch to it in a heartbeat.
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two big problems:
1. battery consumption
2. signal reception
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Vote 1 from me
Touch flow is nothing to write home about either.
using people favorites and Active Sync hates the photos you asign to them so that becomes a waste of time.
I'm looking to upgrade from my HTC Hermes. I had a Wizard before it. I've loved them both. However, the hermes really doesn't have the performance that I'm seeing from newer phones. I was about to buy a touch pro but then saw the stickied post about the horrible performance.
Are the performance issues fixable yet? From what I've read, it doesn't seem so. I've only spent a couple days looking around on the internet though so I might have just been reading old info. Is the performance still an issue?
If the performance on the htc touch pro isn't working, I'm looking for a good alternative. I didn't see a section on this forum for the "What phone should I buy?" posts so I'll just post it here I guess. I like HTC phones but don't really care about brand so long as it does what I want it to.
I need:
-AT&T 3G
-Touchscreen
-No keyboard on the front of the phone (like blackberries, etc) but a physical keyboard is not a requirement
-2.8"+ screen
-Windows Mobile 6+
-Performance! I would like to get something that is responsive for browsing and plays youtube video without horrible stuttering like my hermes.
I've had a really tough time finding benchmark results and side-by-side video playback comparison. What I do find doesn't seem to work on US 3G networks. The HTC Touch HD looked pretty good...until I read that it doesn't work with US 3G. After that, the Omnia looked pretty good...until I found out that it also doesn't work on US 3G.
Will any of the other HTC phones work for me? If not, are there even any out there that will? I really don't want to get an iPhone since the program support just isn't out there...but it's the only thing that I've seen so far that works with what I want it to do. I didn't think I was too demanding when I started searching yesterday but I'm starting to wonder if those features just aren't out there together yet.
If anyone has any ideas (or a recommendation on where to move this post if this isn't the right place), please tell me! Thanks in advance!
Your looking for the ATT Fuze most likely.
It is the Raphael branded for ATT with working 3g.
There are times when after long periods of use or having several things going at once the phone can be sluggish but clearing the memory or softbooting it makes it respond pretty quickly IMO.
Yeah, I saw that. Doesn't it have the same performance issues mentioned in the sticky post in this forum?
I've had the Fuze since its release, with no problems or "performance issues". There are always tweaks to make it better, and I've applied plenty. Or you could always flash a different ROM -- there are several of those as well. But I wouldn't be put off by what may be older or isolated incidents. The basic hardware is superb.
Don't be fooled by reports of "performance issues", or rather pay attention to exactly what kind of performance they are talking about. Youtube and web browsing are *never* cited as issues. The TP will be fine for you. It is pretty much the best on the market at this time anyway.
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Don't be fooled by reports of "performance issues", or rather pay attention to exactly what kind of performance they are talking about. Youtube and web browsing are *never* cited as issues. The TP will be fine for you. It is pretty much the best on the market at this time anyway.
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Totally agree. I even added a post the that "performance issues" thread, with Hermes versus Raphael benchmarks, but that was for the purposes of 3D graphics, a.k.a. gaming. Really, that's not the reason I bought the phone, and it works great other than that. Running NATF's 3.2 Fuze ROM, 1.08.25.08 radio ROM, a few additional tweaks, and a TF3D theme I like. I am very happy with this phone.
I have been getting by with leaving the ipod at home, and using a 16gb card, but I cannot wait until WM6.5 ROMs start to get cooked, if the rumors of bundled Zune software are true.
Night and day difference between the Raphael and the Hermes. Raphael is two generations more advanced than hermes and noticeably better in both performance and battery life imho. Get ready to be blown away by 640x480. You won't believe how they've improved the kbd too.
edit: If you get a fuze, ditch the POS stock rom straight off though!
The poor performance can be feeled in software and games that are using graphics.. the animation is not that smooth, you can see something called v-sync in most of the OpenGL capable software.. Even in simple aplications such as S2P opengl.. That's not limited to opengl software. I've seen that also in Opera and OS in general (landscape mode), iGO, etc.
Plus, you can notice its performance by comparing side-by-side.. same version of iGo on eten x500 (samsung 400mhz cpu) and touch pro (qualcomm 528 mhz). It starts way faster on eten. Also x500 calculates the routes faster than touch pro. I was surprised to see that..
Also, people are saying that qualcomm cpus lacks hardware FPU.. that means software based on FPU operations have poor performance in comparison with other CPUs such as Intel Xscale/Marvell, omap..
Anyway, Youtube playback is ok in Touch Pro.
You will have some problems running some hiqh quality videos (I have a matrix trailer which shutters a lot.. i have to set the video quality to medium.. but you loose quality for speed... so it's not a very good solution)
All true statements but...
Overall device performance is better though. In the early Hermes days the graphics performance suffered as well (as the ATI ImageOn fix developer for Hermes, I can remember it well).
Over time, XDA and others fixed the platform. The same is happening on Raphael. Many chefs are incorporating developments discovered by others here. I wouldn't stick with a hermes if I could have a raphael. It does so much more than merely play movies. VGA text rendering alone is a reason to move IMHO.
just to give u an alternative that nobody mentioned; the sony ericsson xperia x1a. the x1 is already out (but it doesnt support the 850 mhz 3G band) the x1a has full at&t 3G support, and it should be offically released in the next few days. research it. its very similar to the touch pro. you'll find a few comparison threads on this forum. good luck