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I've been relatively happy with my HTC S710/Vox for over a year. The big problem I have with it is speed (CPU and lack of 3G) and lack of memory. Also, with the iPhone, I started missing having a touch screen as well.
So, the Touch Pro sounded like quite the solution to all my problems! More speed, more RAM, high-speed data, and a touch screen GUI that looks beautiful.
But when I finally got my hands on it at a local AT&T store, here were my feelings:
Heavier than my S710
Finger response was quirky
Not as responsive as I thought it would be
Thicker than expected
WinMo Pro/Touch is less intuitive than WinMo Standard/Smartphone
Orientation switch is slower than on my S710!
But it has everything I want hardware wise: high speed connections, GPS, a beautiful QWERTY keyboard, an FM radio, and TF3D.
I actually started looking at the Blackberry Bold and Samsung Epix after playing with the FUZE. All of them have their issues, but I did like the weight of the Bold, and I was surprised how useful the mouse control was on the Epix for one-handed operation! But the Epix is ugly, and the Bold is Blackberry.
So.... here's where I am:
I have been investing my mind in the Touch Pro for months now, and I want to want it. But right now, I feel a bit let down, and I feel like I'll regret spending the money on it because it'll end up being less usable and more bulky than my current S710!
Yes, I know the S740 is a great upgrade for the S710, but it's too $$$ and probably not even US 3G compatible. Also, it's probably too long and square. And there's no way for me to try it out w/o buying it.
The X1 could be an interesting option, but it's not subsidized by any carrier, and $800 is just too steep.
So, help me love the FUZE/Touch Pro again. Please. I don't know what my other options are!
Thanks,
Jon
Flash it with NATF's latest, and it improves a lot.
It's seriously an entirely new device after doing so.
Made me love it even more
Yea, I was VERY upset after I walked out of AT&T w/ my new Fuze. But after flashing ROMeOS and adding some CABs that I wanted, the device is completely different. Fast as hell, very stable, I consider it a very nice upgrade from my Tilt.
However, I really miss the tilt screen feature! I was able to hold that thing perfectly and type very fast but now I can't find a good grip on the Fuze.
I'm not sure if im just lucky, but when it comes to TF3D and screen orientation etc. It is perfect on my device. I get absolutely 0 lag in TF3D, when i change orientation it happens instantly, faster than on my iphone 3g. And my GPS worked 100% perfect with no lag out of the box without downloading telenav. Maybe im just lucky. :-X
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I'm not sure if im just lucky, but when it comes to TF3D and screen orientation etc. It is perfect on my device. I get absolutely 0 lag in TF3D, when i change orientation it happens instantly, faster than on my iphone 3g. And my GPS worked 100% perfect with no lag out of the box without downloading telenav. Maybe im just lucky. :-X
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So, how would you compare you FUZE to your iPhone? I'm torn between these as well. I just tried both out again... the iPhone's touch interface seems much more usable and rewarding. The FUZE's touch screen seems finicky.
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So, how would you compare you FUZE to your iPhone? I'm torn between these as well. I just tried both out again... the iPhone's touch interface seems much more usable and rewarding. The FUZE's touch screen seems finicky.
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I've had an iPhone, Tilt and Fuze. Of the three, the Fuze is my favorite. The iPhone, like all Apple products, has a clean and easy interface but I didn't like how limited everything was (you can only run apple approved apps, no browser other than Safari, no tethering, etc.) Also, personally, I like TF3D better than the iPhone interface.
And since I use my phone outside a lot, being able to use the touchscreen with gloves on and/or use a stylus was important to me and you can't do that with an iPhone.
All told, it depends on your personal preference. If you like the iPhone interface that much more than TF3D and don't care about application and touchscreen limitiations, you'll probably be happier with the iPhone.
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I've had an iPhone, Tilt and Fuze. Of the three, the Fuze is my favorite. The iPhone, like all Apple products, has a clean and easy interface but I didn't like how limited everything was (you can only run apple approved apps, no browser other than Safari, no tethering, etc.) Also, personally, I like TF3D better than the iPhone interface.
And since I use my phone outside a lot, being able to use the touchscreen with gloves on and/or use a stylus was important to me and you can't do that with an iPhone.
All told, it depends on your personal preference. If you like the iPhone interface that much more than TF3D and don't care about application and touchscreen limitiations, you'll probably be happier with the iPhone.
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Thanks for the insights. It's great to hear that someone likes the FUZE better than the iPhone.
Here's why I haven't bought an iPhone so far:
I like to stream radio stations
I want an FM radio
I like keeping apps open when using other apps
I like the flexibility WM allows over my user experience
I don't like being locked into a carrier/plan
I want a real keyboard
So, like I said, I want to buy the FUZE, but I'm a bit concerned around how lacking it seems to be in the touch area. I felt like I couldn't easily navigate TF3D, and even Opera was hard to "touch" around. Just didn't feel natural. Maybe it's something I have to get used to?
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Thanks for the insights. It's great to hear that someone likes the FUZE better than the iPhone.
Here's why I haven't bought an iPhone so far:
I like to stream radio stations
I want an FM radio
I like keeping apps open when using other apps
I like the flexibility WM allows over my user experience
I don't like being locked into a carrier/plan
I want a real keyboard
So, like I said, I want to buy the FUZE, but I'm a bit concerned around how lacking it seems to be in the touch area. I felt like I couldn't easily navigate TF3D, and even Opera was hard to "touch" around. Just didn't feel natural. Maybe it's something I have to get used to?
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I adjusted the touch sensitivity in the registry a couple of times and after that the navigation seemed a lot easier.
JonDeutsch said:
Thanks for the insights. It's great to hear that someone likes the FUZE better than the iPhone.
Here's why I haven't bought an iPhone so far:
I like to stream radio stations
I want an FM radio
I like keeping apps open when using other apps
I like the flexibility WM allows over my user experience
I don't like being locked into a carrier/plan
I want a real keyboard
So, like I said, I want to buy the FUZE, but I'm a bit concerned around how lacking it seems to be in the touch area. I felt like I couldn't easily navigate TF3D, and even Opera was hard to "touch" around. Just didn't feel natural. Maybe it's something I have to get used to?
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Ok, I know you probably dont want to hear this but except for the keybord part, I think that the new Samsung Omnia is for you!
Why do I say that? I tell you why!
First of all I own a Touch pro and I am very happy with it after flashing a new rom and uppgrading the radio! However, the GPS lag is still there even if it is much less then when I first bought the phone!
Secound, video playback is just crap the video stutters and lags whole the time, so unless you dont mind waiting a few hours it takes to convert the video before putting it on your device then that is really an issue!
Third, the battery life sucks on the device! I have tried many different radios/roms but the battery still drains in less then one day! Yes, you could buy an extended battery, but that will add to the device thickness even more!
Now the only reason I am keeping my TP is in case someone comes upp with a solution to all the problems in the future, especialy the GPS lag!
Yesterday I bought the Omnia and now I am very happy!
First no more GPS lag, battery is still at 40% right now after 2 days of pretty heavy use, the video plays beautiful without any lag/stuttering what so ever, The camera is 5 MegaPixels that really shows it´s strenght!
You get 16 GB built in memory and you can add a mini sd to it as well!
The processor is clocked at 624 MHz and it is very fast, indeed the fastest device I had so far, and believe me when I tell you I have had plenty of them!
Granted that it has less Rom/Ram but it makes it up with the incredible speed, so I can bet you wont notice any difference at all!
The only drawbacks with this device I can think of is:
1. No hardware keybord (It is just like the Iphone, even the dimentions are almost exactly the same!)
2. The stylus ( You cant put it in the device, you have to hang it or put it somwhere else!)
JonDeutsch said:
Thanks for the insights. It's great to hear that someone likes the FUZE better than the iPhone.
Here's why I haven't bought an iPhone so far:
I like to stream radio stations
I want an FM radio
I like keeping apps open when using other apps
I like the flexibility WM allows over my user experience
I don't like being locked into a carrier/plan
I want a real keyboard
So, like I said, I want to buy the FUZE, but I'm a bit concerned around how lacking it seems to be in the touch area. I felt like I couldn't easily navigate TF3D, and even Opera was hard to "touch" around. Just didn't feel natural. Maybe it's something I have to get used to?
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Don't forget Copy/Paste, MMS, Stereo BT... and many other features that are not on the iPhone or native to the iPhone... yes... I know there are "apps" that could fill in some of the gaps... but still
Just like with all new stuff, you'll have to get used to the 'touching' part on the Fuze. Also, there are apps out there that you can tweak your Fuze to get a better experience. Check out the tweaks thread.
I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a new FUZE. Before I do, I was hoping some current owners could answer a few questions for me. I'm not a newbie to smart phones or WinMo, so I do understand some of the limitations of the device. My last phone wasn't a smart phone and I sorely miss not having it.
I was at the local AT&T shop to play with the FUZE in person, and honestly I wasn't at all impressed with the speed or the interface.
The sensitivity of touch was pretty bad, and I really had to push on the screen for it to register my finger. I've read on these boards that the sensitivity can be changed, so my question is, Can it be changed enough to be usable? It was pretty bad in the showroom.
The lag of the device was totally unacceptable to me. I would often not know if a key-press or screen gesture actually worked, and found myself hitting the key multiple times, only to realize it had registered the first time, but was taking forever to respond. I've read here that flashing the ROM and other tweaks improve the lag time, but does it improve it enough? Is there any lag time after using a cooked ROM? I understand that things may lag on occasion, but if there is a lag for most functions, I don't think I could put up with it too long.
Web browsing was a test of patience to say the least. It took a very long time for any page to load, and when it did load, it seemed to render in chunks very slowly. I was often confused if the page was even fully loaded after a minute or two. Is this experience to be expected, or can it be it be fixed?
I may just be confused about the contacts section. Do you have to scroll through each individual contact to get to the one you want? I have a couple hundred contacts in my phone now, and if I need to get to someone who starts with "N", that would take quite a while. I'm sure there is a better way, and I would just need to find out how to do it, but I wanted to ask first, as this could be a huge deal breaker for me.
It took me a while to find the call history on the phone. It seems like it's buried pretty deep. Is there anyway to modify the Touchflo3d icons to point to items I frequently use? I mean really I don't need the AT&T icon there at all, since I'll never use any of those features. I'd much rather have my call history available from the menu. Is this even possible?
I've read a lot of comments about the D-pad. I'm a gamer when on the road, so I need to make sure this phone will be able to handle my gaming needs. I didn't have the opportunity to try any games on it. Is the D-pad really an issue, and if it is, has there been a workaround?
I love the idea of having a touch screen. I need a phone that offers easy to use messaging and email features. I want simple access to my contacts, and easy to use phone functions. I also want a good web browsing experience, access to my MP3 files, and video files, as well as a decent gaming platform. Oh and I do like to tweak my toys. Is this the phone for me, or should I be looking at something different?
I appreciate anyone taking the time to answer any of these questions.
i have a fuze and love it alot. the sensitivity on the touch screen was bad until you change the registry key that controls it and of course a good screen calibration. its set for such a heavy touch. i changed it to ultrasensitive and its like using an iphone now. there are alot of registry keys to increase the performance. its real easy with diamond tf3d config app. best choice is to flash to a new rom though. the oem rom is junked up with so much crap. diamond tf3d conifig will help you change touch flo 3d to your liking. as far as a gaming device the dpad is a difficult thing to use tbh. and with the graphics drivers still not working right its not a good gaming device. in every other context, it is a good phone. it just takes some work to get it there.
Thanks for the input TJOC.
How is the FUZE as a phone? I mean, how easy is it to access your contacts, voice mail, or just make a call?
Best phone I have had. Most of what you point out in your message can be adjusted automatically or via a tweak or registry change. You would like this flexibility on something you own.
its not bad. the call history, calendar, voicemail (only if you have some messages) and contacts are right on the home tab. you can actually change the softkeys on the home tab to do other actions for you too. theres also one tab to the right called people which is a neat flippy interface if you assign pictures. when i go to my people tab it actually crashes touch flo 3d. i have to figure out what i did to make it do that.
i do have to say that for an htc phone it is the best for being a phone. ive used quite a few htc phones and they always have issues like bad signal, and most notably the volume and call quality have been pretty awful. but on the fuze its loud and clear.
that said its still not a phone for everyone. if you use speakerphone alot, then this may not be the phone for you. and alot of people cant handle windows mobile (i always say wm is not for beginners hehe). i would say try out the phone. att will let you take it back if you dont like it. and i wont call you crazy if you say you dont.
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that said its still not a phone for everyone. if you use speakerphone alot, then this may not be the phone for you. and alot of people cant handle windows mobile (i always say wm is not for beginners hehe). i would say try out the phone. att will let you take it back if you dont like it. and i wont call you crazy if you say you dont.
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Speaker phone not too much an issue for me. I'm familiar with WinMo, so that won't be a problem either, heck I still use my Dell Axim
I think I'm going to take your advice, and just grab one. If I'm not happy I'll exchange it for a Bold or something.
I didnt like the Fuze stock as well but after tweaking it i love it, i would hard reset and then reset it right before it install all the att stuff back, when you get the phone and reinstall touchflo from the software column for raphael. that alone would make your device alot faster and then you can tweak it some mroe to make it even faster...since its your first Winmo phone read up on flashing and other themes or today screen...you can use other UI instead of TF3D just find one that you like. Cheers report back when you get the Fuze.
mfarlo,
I just got my Fuze a few days ago, and am loving it. I had a Cingular 8525 that I modified with new ROMs from this site. I'm looking forward to upgrading my Fuze after I see how it does out of the box.
I got a great deal going through myself when purchasing it. If you're interested in checking out what I can do for you, please let me know.
Joe
i too was unhappy with the fuze when i tested it out in the store, but after reflashing RRE 4.4.5 custom rom this phone is amazing, the signal strength is awesome, call quality is crystal clear for me, and the phone is lightning quick. if you buy a fuze play with it for a few days while you are reading up on flashing a new rom as it is a must with this phone, its like night and day. the phone has been out for a while now and the roms on this site keep getting better and better, you will not be dissapointed if you buy it.
From my experience with 4 Fuze's...Touchscreen sensitivity to a finger is adequate, although the stylus takes considerable pressure, especially at the edges of the screen. 2 of the Fuze's were slightly more sensitive, and two were slightly less, but none have the sensitivity of the older devices with recessed screens.
Sensitivity aside, you have to rely on the responsiveness of everything else, and that sucks for the most part. Performance "tweaks" and screen sensitivity "tweaks", either done manually with a registry editor, or with a program like AdvancedConfig do absolutely nothing. I've spent many hours comparing back and forth and didn't notice a single discernable difference. The device is sluggish no matter what you do to it (aside from flashing ROM's which i'm not doing). Try operating the phone with a song playing in the TouchFlo music player and it will be an exercise of patience. Disabling TouchFlo does speed things up, but that's a poor fix if part of the reason you purchased a Fuze was for TouchFlo (which I did). I'm perplexed by the folks who claim such a speedy device.
The Dpad is absolute garbage. Up/down work fine, left/right works about 80% of the time if you press in a very specific spot to the outside of the touch sensitive ring by a few millimeters. Funny, it takes extreme accuracy to scroll right or left, but 50% of the time when I try to hang up a call by pressing in the extreme lower right corner, it jumps out to the main menu and starts scrolling right with the call still in progress. I've had quite a few "I want to throw the phone as hard as possible" moments with that issue. The quality of the Dpad has varied from device to device, but none of them were anywhere near good. I can't imagine using it for gaming.
Opera loads webpages pretty quick for me. Unfortunately anything that requires touchscreen input like zooming or selecting links doesn't work so well. Generally I double tap 2-3 times before it zooms in or out. I'm not sure if it's a system issue, or a touchscreen problem. Zooming with the touch ring works well, but unfortunately, for me, the page won't reformat and the text won't wrap using the ring. Trying to zoom with the ring to make a link bigger so that it's clickable, results in the page moving and intermittent reloading of the page, then the link moves out of view. The problem is more common on certain pages and less on others.
Reception has been good, but the earpiece speaker issue looks like one that isn't going to get fixed. Even after loading a few alternate audiopara files, the speaker isn't loud enough, and when you do get lucky and call someone who's voice comes in at a higher volume, the speaker distorts. Pressing the sharp edge of the top rim of the phone against your ear, which I find myself doing often, results in soreness after. Fun!
Long term durability seems questionable, and the battery covers on all 4 phones that i've had suffered creakyness along the edges where the cover doesn't sit against the frame of the phone tightly. One even slid side to side everytime the device was handled.
I'm keeping the one I have now, it seems to be the best out of the 4, but still suffers from all of the issues listed above. Of course the keyboard was installed totally crooked, but it's par for the course with HTC. I'll never understand people who say HTC = great build/materials quality. I find it hard to believe i'm the only one who's struck out so many times. Not only with the Fuze, but with a Tilt and an 8525 before it. It's unfortunate that HTC seems to have cornered the market on this particular form factor for Windows Mobile. I would go with Xperia, but now that the metal cases are cracking left and right, I suppose I should pass. Way to go HTC.
One upside, the VGA screen is really nice, big improvement over QVGA.
Good luck.
check out my post at:
http://www.mobilitysite.com/boards/htc-touch-pro-t-fuze/234449-random-thoughts-about-fuze.html
and
http://www.mobilitysite.com/boards/htc-touch-pro-t-fuze/234303-necessary-software-fuze.html
the fuze/touch pro is a love or hate phone. as far as a windows mobile phone i would say this is the best there is. htc will not be out done when it comes to windows mobile phones. and no windows mobile devices have capacitive screens so its not the most brilliant for touch screen but its not bad tbh. good luck with your purchase and hopefully it will be as pleasant of an experience for you as it is for me.
somethings to remember, find a newer build of opera. i had downloaded build 15202 from this site. pages will load faster and theres some tweaks you can do to get 0 mobile websites. theres also a registry entry that will give you a zoom slider which is a nice touch for web pages than relying on the scroll wheel. and if you dont have good volume in a phone call, make a call to the phone and up the volume with the rocker during the call. it sounds weird but you can only adjust the call volume while making a call.
Get The Fuze!!!
After being almost scared away from the Fuze when I handled it in an AT&T store, I quickly went home and checked on XDA to see what could be done about the TERRIBLE performance. I found TONS of options for tweaks, fixes, and ROMs. After a LOT of reading and deliberating, I decided that the RRE HTC Fuze ROMs were for me. I'm currently running RRE v4.4.5SE which is AMAZING!!! My Fuze feels like it runs 1000% faster! It's great!
Get the Fuze; if you don't already know how, read about flashing; flash the RRE Fuze ROM (linked in my signature below), and ENJOY! You WON'T regret it!!!
Best of luck,
NR
I have the Fuze and one of the bad things about it is the battery life, If you are really going to be on the phone alot I'd suggest buying an extra battery lik i did.
Thanks for all the comments, I am now a proud owner of an AT&T FUZE.
First thing I did was remove all the bloatware as described in tyguy's excellent post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=459335
It looks like I'm going to be spending quite a bit of time tweaking this beast until I get it just the way I want it, but that's the draw for me. I could have grabbed an iPhone and had everything I needed, but where's the fun in that? When I'm done with my tweaks, I'll have a phone custom tailored to suite my needs.
thats what i was thinking. the iphone doesnt need customization partially because you cant customize it to make it your own. the fuze may need alot of work when you take it out of the box but once you got it how you like it, its more made for you then an iphone. thats a downside for some people but ive been having loads of fun tinkering. my brother and my dad bough iphones and i poke at them doing things they cant, divx, tethering, garmin, taking pictures with flash, sending mms. i know theyre jealous because they bought the wrong phone.
Moved to the FUZE from the Tilt and after missing my D-Pad for awhile until I figured out the Fuze's pad, I now miss nothing.
I've had a lot of excellent PDA/Phones over the years, and have been a WinMo guy since PocketPC2000, and the Fuze is just yet another small step closer to the perfect combination device. I just STILL want a bigger screen.
As far as battery life goes, I use it just as hard as my Tilt, and get a bit more life out of the battery. I'm not sure what the huge complaint is, a dead battery at the end of the night is a good day. A phone that goes DAYS on a charge I haven't had since my Motorola V60
i miss the "dpad" from my ppc6700 (htc apache). it had a joystickish thing which worked well. but if im going to say i miss any one thing from that phone it would have to be the keyboard. you will never find a better keyboard on any other phone ever. and thats a challenge.
Hi guys, so i've had a great run with my HTC Touch Pro, i've been using it for more than a year now but now I feel like it's just too slow and lacking a lot of stuff that i wanted. I've been around the scene long enough, and have tried out several custom roms already, and the only ROM that actually makes this phone run smoothly is the EnergyROM, but even so, it's still slow and laggy. The currenty EnergyRom i'm using is the March 31st 2010 build, so yes i'm very up to date.
I've installed tons of tweaks and apps on it (even pirated ones) and have pushed this phone to its limits, but i feel that it's just not very powerful and i'm losing my interest in it, so i decide to sell it and go for an upgrade.
To be honest, i don't think Windows Mobile is any good at all, so i'm trying not to go for any Windows Mobile device. I'm thinking of going for the Nokia N900 coz it's such a beast, and its multi-tasking is awesome, but the lack of apps for it just makes me think twice about getting it.
On the other hand, i kinda wanna go for an Android phone, but so far there aren't any Android phones with a slide-out keyboard (not that i know of), and i only want phones with a keyboard.
Please don't recommend me an iPhone either, i've owned one and hated it. I do have an iPod Touch and it's jailbroken so all the stuff i can do with an iPhone, i can do it on my iPod Touch, just without the phone capabilities.
Lastly, i'm kinda considering to go for the HTC Touch Pro 2, but then it's not so much of an upgrade coz it's got an older processor than the Touch Pro and just has a bigger screen. Is it actually smooth or fast?? And the battery life just sucks on these devices....I would appreciate more info from someone that has actually upgraded from the Touch Pro to the Touch Pro 2, coz it will be more accurate. I kinda hate the look of it though, it doesn't look as sexy as the Touch Pro...
so ya i dunno, can anyone recommend something?
Depends on what you are going to use your phone for!
But I personally did have an HTC Touch Pro and I did not like it very much! Mostly besouse of the lacking drivers!
My recommendation if you like nokia and Symbian, go for the Samsun Omnia HD i8910!
Why?
Becouse it is the best phone I have ever owned, it is just nothing else that can match this beast performance and hardware wise!
Not to mention the great 8 MP camera with 720p HD recording!
The built quality is just great, I have droped it several times "outside", and there is not a scratch on it!
It has no hardware keyboard, but the capacitive screen makes up for it very good!
Hope it helps!
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Depends on what you are going to use your phone for!
But I personally did have an HTC Touch Pro and I did not like it very much! Mostly besouse of the lacking drivers!
My recommendation if you like nokia and Symbian, go for the Samsun Omnia HD i8910!
Why?
Becouse it is the best phone I have ever owned, it is just nothing else that can match this beast performance and hardware wise!
Not to mention the great 8 MP camera with 720p HD recording!
The built quality is just great, I have droped it several times "outside", and there is not a scratch on it!
It has no hardware keyboard, but the capacitive screen makes up for it very good!
Hope it helps!
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thanks for your reply. To be honest, i was also interested in the Samsung Omnia 2, i know that the Omnia runs very well, i can't remember exactly but it runs better than the Touch Pro and Touch Pro 2, i think it has a 300% higher performance gain? And maybe it runs or performs faster than the iPhone as well, i can't really remember.
But the thing is, i just don't like phones without any sort of keyboard or keypads.....i LOVE phones with keyboards, i can type super fast on it, but i just hate touch typing using soft keyboards......
that's why when i had my Google Nexus One, i gave it away for free after using it for about a week. Don't get me wrong, i love Google Android and Nexus One is a VERY VERY good phone, but i just don't like the feel of touch typing....i'm just not used to it.
That's why i don't wanna go for the Omnia or Omnia 2, or what you suggested, coz there's no keyboard.
I feel that the Nokia N900 is a good choice coz the multi-tasking is very smooth and fluid, and runs extremely well. I've seen tons of videos of it running tons of applications without lag, up to 35 in fact. And it has a keyboard so that suits me too.
I can't exactly describe it, but i want a phone that is first of all, very smooth and fast in performance. I don't want any sort of lags at all. Touch Pro lags quite a lot, it's slow to be honest, and Touch Pro 2 isn't much of an upgrade either. I want to be able to multi-task very easily, like switch between a game, to an app, to text messaging etc. If you watch the Nokia N900 videos, you'll know what i'm talking about, it's VERY SMOOTH.
But then again, i want the phones to have a rich community and fanbase supporting it, i.e have tons of apps and custom roms or tweaks development for it, just like XDA is for Windows Mobile, that's why i like this site a lot.
Nokia N900 is using the Maemo 5 operating system, and it's still very new so not much is developed for it, so i'm a little worried there. But it is very powerful as it can run OSX 10.1 (i can't remember exactly) and emulate several emulators already, as well as playing Starcraft etc on it, so it's a very powerful device.
But i just need more options and opinions....
oh and i don't really care about cameras or taking videos etc, i just care about the use of applications and multi-tasking, and just overall the software performance etc...
The n900 isn't very smooth at all at least when compared to the nexus one, HD2 or iPhone. It has got the best browsers though with full flash 10.1 support.
Another phone you might want to take into consideration is the Droid.
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The n900 isn't very smooth at all at least when compared to the nexus one, HD2 or iPhone. It has got the best browsers though with full flash 10.1 support.
Another phone you might want to take into consideration is the Droid.
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so performance wise, it's not smooth? That's odd because from what i've seen on the dozens of Youtube videos, it runs REALLY smooth, it's one of the few phones out there that can actually multi-task properly. The iPhone doesn't even have the multi-task functions (unless you jailbreak it and install the multi-task apps), and it'll only be officially getting it when the OS 4.0 comes out for it. But even then, only the newer GEN will be able to support multi-task, so it's not smooth at all because it's a pain in the ass to press the home screen all the time. Like i said, i've owned an iPhone before and jailbroke it myself, and with the tons of tweaks and apps i've installed, it made my life 10x better compared to other people with their un-jailbroken iPhones, but even still it's a pain in the ass to use it. I also have an iPod Touch so i'll just stick with that, so ya i just thinks iPhone sucks as a phone for multi-tasking, it's not smooth at all.
The Droid looks ugly so i never liked it.
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slide out keyboard how. normal slideout there are multiple variants, depending on gsm/cdma.
most affordable id say is the dream. goes for 100-150 on ebay. i bought one a few days ago, still waiting on the nurse to send it so i cant vouch how good it actually is.
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slide out keyboard how. normal slideout there are multiple variants, depending on gsm/cdma.
most affordable id say is the dream. goes for 100-150 on ebay. i bought one a few days ago, still waiting on the nurse to send it so i cant vouch how good it actually is.
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i'm not sure i understood what you meant in the first sentence. What i mean by slide-out keyboard is like the HTC Touch Pro, Touch Pro 2, Nokia N97, Nokia N900 etc.....that's what slideout keyboard is.
HTC Dream looks ugly and screen too small.
lg eve looks better than the dream, but the screen is only 3" and it's resistive screen. Also it's android 1.5.
Gday everyone, this thread is basically just a excuse to vent....
I hope they get a 100% stable version of Android to make my phone actually a decent phone...., though i doubt it will be soon.
The HTC Touch pro is just a piece of un usable ****. Custom or stock roms, they are much of a muchness and i still hate this laggy phone.........Very dissapointed, it sounds excellent on paper, (Camera, GPS, Wifi. All awesome idea's, but the wif is low powered, the GPS Sucks and is basically unusable, and the camera is pretty poor considering others that were available at the time) but is just crap in practice.
Can't wait till my contract is up so i can get rid of this flop of a phone!
Am i the only one who is disappointed in this phone?
Why did you bought it,when it is sooooo crappy? If you don't like it,sell it and buy a new crap. Actually,I am a bit disappointed of it too,especially GPS is unusable and the Wifi only with good signal. Yes,it is laggy sometimes,but I can live with it. There are many different reasons,why we are using WM instead of Android and that's the development. There is a lot of people here,they understand almost everything about this device,so we can fully customize apps and user experience. I have an Android as well and that is just a toy in comparison with WM,eventough WM is outdated for some individuals.
Honestly. If the GPS worked. And the wifi was a lil better. The lag would be tolerable. At the time i thought it was great. But a few weeks go by and i think to myself. I should have gotten a iphone. Ive had the phone for about 18 months. In 6 months its upgrade time. Thank god i can get rid of it!
The phone is a bit laggy, yes, especially when typing, but I have no problem at all with the GPS. Quick fix, usually under 40 seconds, and never loses signal after that. Before I updated the radio it was a little worse, but even then far from unusable.
Of course you can't expect a phone released 18 months ago to perform as well as the new ones (with Android especially), but I don't think there was a better phone on the market when it was released.
If it weren't for Android I would be pretty happy with my phone. But now that Android exists I really want to have it, so I'm planning on upgrading to a Desire soon.
I'm Happy
No problems @ all GPS fix in about 25 secs, camera is poor on nearly every HTC device have a digi slr and if not on me the phone suffices, nothing laggy about it.
Planning on updating to android but not due to being disappointed in phone just want to try something new to me.
I am happy with mine, but like most people always want the newest thing out there. I have never had a problem with the GPS, using Sprint Navigation, TomTom, Tracky it always works, fast to get sats.
I have the standard rom, with some of the tweaks found here.
I'm happy with mine, camera is ok (have some good images), GPS works, wifi works, not too laggy & is far more powerfull OS than iphone or Android.
I'm using TAEL standard 6.5.5 ROM & a few tweaks & it's a pleasure to use.
Most bad experiances are due to unlucky individuals with a bad standard ROM & not motivated enough to update ROM or add the tweaks available on this forum.
you get from life what you put in, this device is the same ...
I have had a hermes for like the last 4 years or whatever and my friend has me using his fuze to customize it. I am using the newest energy 2.5 sense rom and while I like the sense and everything the phone is laggy..
Coming from the hermes I thought this phone would be much faster but I dont notice a difference. I know I'm running more stuff but it has way more memory left over than my hermes ever had and it still lags even in txt msging.
The overall volume is worse than the Hermes also which really sucks..I can barely hear a txt msg notification when its in my holder and that wasnt an issue on my hermes.
The keyboard kinda sucks also..It just doesn't feel the same and its hard for me to tell i even pressed a button or not. Also whoever came up with the button layout needs to be punched in the face!!
Another thing the phone dialer..wow that one click to call leo dialer or whatever it is, is very hard to get use to. I think I called about 5 ppl yesturday by accident. I just disabled the HTC Dialer cause I couldnt stand it anymore. I think the touch screen is too sensitive or something cause I have problems touching the screen and scrolling in other apps also.
Overall I like the phone its okay but I am glad I didn't get it when it came out..
I wasn't too thrilled about the phone, mainly cause i dislike touchscreens and to be honest i still do (iPhone, Android and WM). This phone offered me the best it could of both worlds, i have a full qwerty keyboard and some button on the front and the annoying touch screen as well.
The original ROM (AT&T) was pretty useless, once i put one of the custom roms on it, i have grown to like and enjoy it. Everything in it works perfectly, i've even had better GPS results then a standalone GPS device compared one next to each other using same application and map on the same road.
I think it's all about what you want, and what you need.
Raphael is a very special device. On one side you will love it(sharp VGA,D-pad,extras such as magnetic stylus with sensor,keyboard,accelerometer,sensor area below display). On the 2nd side you will hate it due to poor GPS,crappy Wifi,slow reactions and low acceleration of the graphics. However as I said before,this device is about user customization and opportunities,so it is one big compromise. Only thing you need to make clear is,what you want and what you get. For me,I want to do many things(browsing web,outlook mail,bussiness planing,perfect ergonomy,customization,development) and these things I really can do with it. Of course there are minuses such as navigation and GPS at all. One big minus on my HTC Hero is also capacitive touchscreen,that has nothing to do with ergonomy(that's all about image,that Apple was designed few years ago). I really hate this technology. Many things I do with Raphael's touchscreen(sliding finger lightly without reaction-that I really like,handwriting with stylus) are the past with Hero. Unfortunately,but it is true. Another thingie,I am really scared to lose D-pad or any kind of alternative,I can't live without it
Eh... it does what I need it to do. I'm going to jump ship and pick up an actual Android device whenever AT&T decides to bring a decent one.
I have never had a problem with the GPS. It has always been snappy to me with the right roms. Wifi is kind of weak, but I dont use it exclusively so it's not a big deal. Now for those who use Sense 2.5, it it laggy and that's because (as explained by nrg) the original theme was meant for a 1ghz system and we have half of that. even if it's a sense port, it still requires alot more cpu power that the fuze can not physically give.
Just got a TP in a warranty trade. My Xperia was dead and they did not have any left..... While I like the phone it is indeed a bit laggy.
Will go to custom Rom very soon I think.
GPS is no issue for me as I have it in my car allready. Never used a phone for that mainly because there are better dedicated systems available. Wif is also no issue allthough I tried it and it is actuelly rather good.
All in all I kind of like the phone but I am happy I will get a TP2 in a couple of weeks in an upgrade.
I have big problems to get GPS fix(i got it finally after 2 hours of attempting!). It seems,that the device has builtin "GPS Importance" sensor,because it never works when I need it and works good when I test it only. Wifi is indeed better as in Diamond2,where I see 50% of signal,D2 sees only 25%,while my performance was set to max.battery save. One thing I don't understand is,that HTC Hero has the same chipset,while the performance is much much better(maybe system dependent and drivers) and Hero GPS is almost perfect. It gets fix even before I burn a cigarete outdoors. Also it doesn't heat up while using wifi or gps as Raphael does.
try updating your ROM to a newer one. I am personally using the early march model and i think it's great. My GPS doesn't have any issues picking up signals. Usually at best 1 minute.
It doesn't help. I tried already many ROMs,still the same result. Nevermind,GPS in my case is useless,especially when you need it. I've used navigation with Toshiba and now I use Hero.
that sucks. Sorry to hear that. As you see i'm using the may 19th version. I get locks real fast. Give Energy ROM with sense 2.1 a try. It might work out better for you.
Actually,I am running EnergyROM 6.5 Manila 2.5(2.4.10). I will try different Radio,even tough actual I have is maybe 4th.
ah.. well that's part of your problem.. manila 2.5 is meant for a 1ghz phone. you have a 512mhz phone.. there's a good reason it's so damn slow. just communicating between internal hardware is a ***** when you're overworking your system as is... try manila 2.1
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ah.. well that's part of your problem.. manila 2.5 is meant for a 1ghz phone. you have a 512mhz phone.. there's a good reason it's so damn slow. just communicating between internal hardware is a ***** when you're overworking your system as is... try manila 2.1
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Spot on, using 2.5 manila is not smart if performance & reliability is major needs, you are using Beta software/ROMs ported to work on devices it was not designed for and expect everything to work fine !!
About the best Touch Pro 6.5 ROM from my experience is TAEL build with Sense (manila) 2.1
Runs well in general use for most people.
The Touch Pro is quite a good device when equipped with good ROM tweaks & software.
Use wifi, gps, gprs tethering daily without any issues, handles mail, sms & calls as it should, aftermarket headset has turned it into a great MP3 player, sound quality is very good.
Will be keeping mine for quite a while as happy with it & like the size of the device plus not a fan of d-pad-less & minimal button design concept devices.
Like the title says.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ggee.vividruntime.gg_1638
Anyways, I'll be downloading this asap and I'll let everyone know if Xperia Play support is still available in this release and how well it works.
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Like the title says.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ggee.vividruntime.gg_1638
Anyways, I'll be downloading this asap and I'll let everyone know if Xperia Play support is still available in this release and how well it works.
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No, it's not been improved any, from what it was.
Well, I hadn't played the JP version but I can say the Play controls work well enough but the lag is **** awful. Messing with settings right now but even no sound and low resolution don't seem to do the trick.
Would certainly not recommend this at $9.00. If you have an overclocked device give it a go but I can't find a way to make it run like anything but ass on stock.
Holy ****! Wish there was a demo to try.
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Would certainly not recommend this at $9.00. If you have an overclocked device give it a go but I can't find a way to make it run like anything but ass on stock.
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Game runs fine here on stock GB, sim free, rooted uk R800i, no lag, no sound issues, looks, plays and sounds as good as the DC original.
Slide the pnone open and you can use the D-Pad, and screen buttons or mix it up and use touch for move, and physical buttons.
Dunno what your issues are, but it's fine here.
Maybe reboot your device, or clear some crap from your phone/check whats running when the game is played..
And run G-Gee offline, that's more bother than it's worth.
I bought the Japanese version, which sits at game version 1.0.0, same as the Western version, it's just the G-Gee programme that was updated, not the game with the recent update a couple of days ago/Western Release.
Not ideal but playable on my xplay, levels work great, but some slowdown during the first two bosses.
Perspective is very disorienting
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Game runs fine here on stock GB, sim free, rooted uk R800i, no lag, no sound issues, looks, plays and sounds as good as the DC original.
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Also running fine on stock for me.
No tweaks, no nothin'... just a root+debloat.
Heres a little video I made about Ikaruga
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=924RTWq0abs
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Heres a little video I made about Ikaruga
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=924RTWq0abs
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Cook, but a couple of inconsistencies with your review(on your site).
The ships are white and black, not red and blue, same with bullets(although the black bullets do have a red.hue to them).
And please don't mention the Gamecube version, it was an abomination, IMO.
It may be a shooter, in the sense you shoot things, but it's more of a bullet ballet, and memory game, as knowing where and when to chain, is vital, for a decent score/decent game, with attack patterns and boss patterns having to be foremost to enjoy the game.
Also, as you know, the game is available around the world, so you don't need market enabler any more to buy it.
And if you play with the network disabled/internet off, G-Gee doesn't hinder gameplay, and you get a screen that you just press the "Play" button to get to the game.
EspGaluda II and DoDonPachi Resurrection are another two titles worthy of your money, to add to your shooter collection, BTW.
Cool, thanks for the feedback. I made the video review a while ago for another site but it was never used. I decided to branch out on my own and I needed a starter article while I work on other aspects of the site so I threw that up real quick. Of course that very day the Global version comes out, I figured it would be best to leave the references in there seeing as how it was the japanese version I originally reviewed. I probably should update it though.
Well hopefully someone gets a video of it running on the Play because even after a clean reboot it runs terrible on my device. How do you run G-Gee offline btw?
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Well hopefully someone gets a video of it running on the Play because even after a clean reboot it runs terrible on my device. How do you run G-Gee offline btw?
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Brian, click on Legion's link to his site..he has it running on Android in the video in his review, it's not a Play it's on, but that's how mine runs, smooth, no lag, and plays just fine with the D-Pad slid out, and using the onscreen buttons for fire/change, and laser.
As to G-Gee, Just disable your wifi or your data connection.
Start Ikaruga, the G-Gee screen appears, and it should then go to a blank screen, with something like "Network Error", or "No Network", in the middle, with a logo top left, and as *mine is the Japanese version*, on the top right, I assume it says "Play Game",
Hit that, game starts, and to end it, long press on the back button and select Exit.
This, and DoDonPachi Resurrection, and EspGaluda II all run fine offline with wifi/network disabled.
In the video it runs quite a bit better than it does on my device but there is still a lot of choppiness. I'd love to see that same phone playing level 5 since each level (due to the increasing amount of enemies) runs slower and slower for me. Either way, if mine ran as well as the device in the video I'd probably be a lot less angry but I still wouldn't call it a great or even good port.
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but I still wouldn't call it a great or even good port.
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I't's the same as the original version, so I wonder how could it be any more towards "good"?
Ok sure. That is a Galaxy S3 right? It does not perform to my liking on an incredibly high end phone even though the hardware is more than capable had more work been put in to the port. JSR, Expendables, Crazy Taxi on the i-products have all translated well to newer devices (not using the Play as a benchmark here, keep in mind). It is a $9.00 application that is attached to a social networking program, something which I find very irritating. There are no game-play limitations like you would have in Ikaruga for the DC or GC since the game defaults to free-play with a level selector. Changing resolution settings and turning sound off does very little to help with performance which screams of bad port. When playing at the lowest settings the frame-rate becomes incredibly jerky since the game does not have a very good frame limiter. DDP and Espgaluda 2 both worked great on my device but this port clearly has not received as much love.
Works relatively well in my one x, it jinks a bit here and there, but it's mostly very playable.
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Ok sure. That is a Galaxy S3 right? It does not perform to my liking on an incredibly high end phone even though the hardware is more than capable had more work been put in to the port. JSR, Expendables, Crazy Taxi on the i-products have all translated well to newer devices (not using the Play as a benchmark here, keep in mind). It is a $9.00 application that is attached to a social networking program, something which I find very irritating. There are no game-play limitations like you would have in Ikaruga for the DC or GC since the game defaults to free-play with a level selector. Changing resolution settings and turning sound off does very little to help with performance which screams of bad port. When playing at the lowest settings the frame-rate becomes incredibly jerky since the game does not have a very good frame limiter. DDP and Espgaluda 2 both worked great on my device but this port clearly has not received as much love.
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It performs just fine on Xperia Play, so something must be wrong at your end, either bloatware on your phone, or your operator rom/custom rom is rubbish, something interfering with it like apps/software running, or your memory card is either fragmented, or just plain slow.
I use a 32gb class 10 card, stock uk r800i sim free, no bloatware, rooted, a couple of sound mods edited build.prop, and nothing else.
Once you get past the "social networking" programme, the game itself runs directly from the SD card, hence the 170+meg download, it doesn't run from the phone, the .apk that is a couple of megabytes is G-Gee's app, with a link to the game.
The ports fine, it's designed for touch phones/tablets, what more do you expect?
The chaining/gameplay is something that was intended to use buttons and a stick, not swipe controls and 3 areas of touch for fire/lock on/change, but with the phone open the D-pad works well, and the on screen buttons work fine for their purpose.
As to free play, how many people do you imagine want to sit for 10+ hours or whatever it was to unlock things, and up their credits, like the original.?
You don't have to continue, you don't have to pick other levels other than the first, but for those who do, who maybe never unlocked everything, or can't/don't play for hours, it's perfect.
As to your earlier slowdown point, you are aware the original version had deliberate slowdown, and this is present in this version also, which leads me to think this is closer to the original version more so than the 360 ports new coding.
The only thing this version is missing is Shinra walking towards Ikaruga, on the startup screen.
And as to DoDonPachi, and EspGaluda, they're not on par with what ikaruga is, as it's full 3d rendering, etc is hardly a patch on 2d spritesm even though there is a ****load going on..heck some emulated old titles fling around similar amounts of bullets, and sprites.
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can anyone provide a titanium backup for ikaruga 13.01.01 i was playing this game yesterday but after opening the game again game screen just went black i dunno what happened . .tried reinstalling but still the same. thought maybe because my phone is rooted or something. i will try your titanium backup file and see if this solves my problem :/
Just to confirm: is the game Xperia Play optimized? Or do you have to use gamekeyboard?