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Can't get rid of Oxios CloseApp/Hibernate, please help!

Hello All,
I am running
ROM: TNT.1933 TouchFLO Edition
I/SPL is 2.25
Radio is 2.19.11 and
OS is 11.0.0.1
TNT comes with Oxios Hibernate and CloseApps, which seems to have very naughty behavior on my system. I can only ever open one application, even if I just switch to “Today” from an open app, the app I was in closes (not shown in Task Manager, truly closed). This stinks. Tried to delete the .exe files, but can’t – they’re marked as “ROM” and “READ ONLY” and can’t make a change to those – just reverts right back. Also can’t kill the prog via task manager because it doesn’t show up there. Please please please tell me how to get rid of this program bundle – I really really hate it!
Thanks!
-tynk-

Both oxious closeapp and hibernate only do something when YOU run them...they run once and exit...the difference between the two is closeapps tries to close ALL apps...hibernate tries to free as much memory as it can without closing any apps.
Neither would be closing any apps without your knowledge.

that's what I thought, too!
But soft reset or shutdown/restart, and upon loading the today screen, the progs up and running (can see the closeapps bars in upper left corner of the screen). I checked startup and it isn't in there (even checked "show all files" in case it's hidden, but nothing).
From my research (yes, I did try figuring this out on my own - other than a couple mentions of instability with these two progs and WM6, there wasn't any good help to be found ), I thought if I didn't click on either icon, it wouldn't start but that doesn't seem to be the case here.
They are somehow loading/starting automatically, so even if I could change the attributes so they were 'delete-able', if I can't get them to stop running (again, neither is visible in taskmanager), I won't be able to delete them! Arrrggg!
Thanks for the response, though! Any other thoughts?

First, any programs built into the rom can NOT be removed. You could create dummy files (create a blank text file and rename it to the name of the file you want to "remove" and it will be used instead of the one in the rom).
For them to be starting automatically as you claim, then there has to be either a link for them in the \Windows\Startup folder, or an entry in the registry (look in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\init , or just do a search with a registry editor).
But as Famewolf indicated, what you are describing is NOT how either of these programs work. They don't stay in memory and continue to run. You start them, they try to free up memory (in two different ways depending on which one you run) and then put up a dialog to show you what they did. After you close the dialog then they exit.
I'm not doubting the behavior you are seeing on your phone, but I am doubting that you are looking in the right direction claiming that the Oxios apps are causing this. As I tell people that run my own roms... If things don't work for you, then switch to a different rom. Also, if you've installed ANYTHING on the rom, then make sure what you have installed is working properly and isn't what is causing the issue. If you hardreset or reflash, and do NOT install anything else, do you still see this same behavior?
Finally, due to the odd nature of your problem, did you by chance install the rom, then do some sort of restore from like spb backup or sprite backup or similar? If so, you've most likely screwed up the registry as you can not restore a backup from one rom to another one.
Good luck, and hope maybe this helps you in figuring out what is going on.

famewolf said:
Both oxious closeapp and hibernate only do something when YOU run them...they run once and exit...
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NOT TRUE!
oxios with skull icon(i forgot its name, because i am not using it, only hibernate..)WILL close ANY app that is running in background!!!!!
so be aware of this.,

nothin said:
NOT TRUE!
oxios with skull icon(i forgot its name, because i am not using it, only hibernate..)WILL close ANY app that is running in background!!!!!
so be aware of this.,
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guys, both of you are right
first, both oxios apps will be started after the request from the user, then do their job and exit. The skull-one will close apps, the snowflake (or what it is) will free memory. But none of the application will be running in background, closing everything the user starts

His observation is correct, silly as it may sound.
For a long time i wondered why my apps would keep closing (i was using mbutton so i could see which apps were open), as soon as i opened another app, the app which went to background would get closed, even though I would have plenty of program memory free. I started tracking the reason for this and soon found out that this behaviour started as soon as i executed oxios hibernate. It would keep happening until i did a soft-reset, after which the system would work fine until (guess what!) i ran the hibernate app again!
Best thing to do is get the sktools lite version and use its free ram shortcut. Or better yet, forget about free ram at all, remove all indicators on your today screen etc etc, and surprisingly you'll never be worried about free ram and your system will work smoothly enough. If you're so worried about free ram, schedule your system to automatically soft reset once a day during the night.

ammarr said:
His observation is correct, silly as it may sound.
For a long time i wondered why my apps would keep closing (i was using mbutton so i could see which apps were open), as soon as i opened another app, the app which went to background would get closed, even though I would have plenty of program memory free. I started tracking the reason for this and soon found out that this behaviour started as soon as i executed oxios hibernate. It would keep happening until i did a soft-reset, after which the system would work fine until (guess what!) i ran the hibernate app again!
Best thing to do is get the sktools lite version and use its free ram shortcut. Or better yet, forget about free ram at all, remove all indicators on your today screen etc etc, and surprisingly you'll never be worried about free ram and your system will work smoothly enough. If you're so worried about free ram, schedule your system to automatically soft reset once a day during the night.
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I use oxios hibernate ALL THE TIME..I even have it on a quick launcher button....having apps close on their own is NOT normal behavior and I'll say again oxios hibernate is not causing this..I keep palringo and other apps running all the time in background...either your registry had issues or your rom did because it works fine here...I sometimes go days without rebooting the phone because of oxios hibernate.

famewolf said:
I use oxios hibernate ALL THE TIME..I even have it on a quick launcher button....having apps close on their own is NOT normal behavior and I'll say again oxios hibernate is not causing this..I keep palringo and other apps running all the time in background...either your registry had issues or your rom did because it works fine here...I sometimes go days without rebooting the phone because of oxios hibernate.
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I have traced the problem specifically back to oxios hibernate. It does not happen with sktools free ram. For some reason the WM_HIBERNATE message doesn't die and keeps killing all background applications. I've had the problem on the stock wm5, ppctuning's superrom, wrcx1 etc etc (basically all ROMs i've tried).
There could be a reason why this is just happening for some devices, i dunno, but the culprit definitely is oxios hibernate.

Have you tried to check your softkeys? I had a problem with them and even if the label says an app when I pressed the button ot activated another thing... well that happeneded sometimes... now it works correctly...

Hi All,
Thanks for all the helpful responses. I really am stumped on this one. Checked my registry (did searches for 'oxios', 'hibernate', and 'close') and found nothing. Yet after a soft-reset or normal restart, it's up and running again, and I am unable to open multiple apps or switch from one to the other and back.
I did have an odd thought - I am assuming the program in question is Oxios CloseApps, but maybe I'm wrong? I can't access any of the options on it, so just occurred to me to check. On the today screen, upper right corner, next to the time is a set of 3 small horizontal bars (forming a box) with a small up arrow. Tapping this yields a single line iconic menu that has a set of three boxes, a wrench, and a 'memory' bar with %. If I click on the boxes or wrench, nothing happens. If I click on the memory icon, it takes me to my Memory setting, showing how much storage and program memory I have, my storage card, and my running progs (no, this is not ever listed there - if only it were that easy!) This is CloseApps, right?
Thanks again for all the help!

Tynkrrbell said:
Hi All,
Thanks for all the helpful responses. I really am stumped on this one. Checked my registry (did searches for 'oxios', 'hibernate', and 'close') and found nothing. Yet after a soft-reset or normal restart, it's up and running again, and I am unable to open multiple apps or switch from one to the other and back.
I did have an odd thought - I am assuming the program in question is Oxios CloseApps, but maybe I'm wrong? I can't access any of the options on it, so just occurred to me to check. On the today screen, upper right corner, next to the time is a set of 3 small horizontal bars (forming a box) with a small up arrow. Tapping this yields a single line iconic menu that has a set of three boxes, a wrench, and a 'memory' bar with %. If I click on the boxes or wrench, nothing happens. If I click on the memory icon, it takes me to my Memory setting, showing how much storage and program memory I have, my storage card, and my running progs (no, this is not ever listed there - if only it were that easy!) This is CloseApps, right?
Thanks again for all the help!
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the program you are talking about is
HTC Task-Manager 2.0 / x button
go to start - settings - system - task manager
steph

Can't add new programs icons in programs tab

Lo all... So far really enjoying the TP. It has it's quirks but overall a very nice device. I have one problem in particular though.
I can't add any new programs in the Programs tab. I now have 6 rows of icons (so a total of 18 shortcuts) and I get new + icons below. When I press them it asks me which program I want to add, I choose one and it goes back but isn't added (still a +). A new + icon does appear next to it though, so it 'thinks' something was added.
I can remove and replace any program in the first 6 rows without a problem but can't add any others. Anyone experiencing likewise problems?
All this with a stock NL ROM...

Hmmm, anyone? Please?
Otherwise I think I'll try and flash a different rom and see if that fixes things...

You could try a hard reset?

It is defintly a software problem. You can try a hard reset first, if it dos not work, try a different rom, or even flash the same rom from a different source, because the one installed could be damaged...

Haven't tried a hard reset yet not (means I'd loose my data right?). Guess I could give that a try and otherwise reflash... tnx for the responses.
Btw, this problem occurs on the original shipped rom. I haven't flashed any other rom yet...

same thing happens on my programs tab!
also, can't make the start menu small - apply the tweak and restart and it comes back large

I have the same problem with annoying shortcuts that I cant populate or remove.
I also have some programs in my All Programs list that I have removed but they still show up. Any ideas on how to get rid of them?

same problem here
I have the same problem here with my original HTC rom (see signature).
Currently my device is ay HTC for repair/replace.
As soon as it comes back, I will change to a custom ROM to see if this problem is fixed.
Regards,
ARo

Fuze freezes on startup ... sometimes

I've been having a problem since shortly after I got my Fuze, that sometimes on reset it doesn't want to finish starting up -- maybe on one out of three resets. It seems to hang just before starting TF3D. It's still semi-responsive ... the backlight brightness turns back up if I hit a button, and an on-screen button may react if I press it (though it doesn't get as far as launching the application or bringing up the start menu)
Usually forcing another soft reset via the pinhole button results in it booting just fine.
I'm currently using ROMeOS, but I've run into this problem with multiple ROMs, including the stock one. I don't think it's a hardware issue ... I haven't had any other problems that suggest the unit itself is bad.
I tried to figure out what I've done each time I've customized my setup. I stayed away from registry tweaks that affect things like caches or hardware performance this time, and still got the issue. I tried uninstalling some of the apps that I always use. No dice.
But I think I've narrowed down the issue. I uninstalled mun background4allpages, which puts the wallpaper you select onto every tab. After several resets, no problem. I'll continue to test throughout the day, resetting sporadically. But I haven't seen anyone else report a problem like this with background4allpages ... so I'm not sure this is it.
Anyone have anything like this, with any cause at all?

I have his problem every once in awhile with ROMeOS too. I'm not sure what causes it but I'll have to do three or four restarts before it continues on. I think it usually happens after I install an app that has a Today plugin with it. But I'm not totally sure about that but I do know if is after I install a cab.

Looks like a today screen hangup. I can fix it by going to the Today Items tab in settings->today then choosing ok (which causes today to refresh plugins).

imtribble -- I've never needed to do 3-4 resets to clear it. I'm not sure I've even needed to do 2. But I know in my case, it's happened without any cab installed since the last boot.
Sleuth255 -- I'd actually tried that (though not for that purpose) but it doesn't seem to have helped, at least not permanently.
With background4alltabs uninstalled, it seems like the problem is gone (at least so far). I wonder if it might actually be the collision of using both background4alltabs and manilla customizer to change my clock -- since I read somewhere that the files background4alltabs changes also affect the clock. If I can confirm after several more resets that this was the problem, I'll post something in that thread.
I'm just so confused that it only happens sometimes, not all the time. Odd.

Actually, Sleuth255, that may have helped after all. I reinstalled background5allpages, and the problem reappeared. But then I did the Today "OK" and haven't been able to make it freeze since ... so maybe. Will report back further after more testing.

It is not just on ROMeOS though, with my fuze the same thing happens and I am running elite ROM RC2. It is some kind of today screen hangup and sleuth's solution did not help me. It takes ~2-3 soft resets to get it working correctly. If I hold the power button to reset rather than pressing the stylus reset it boots up with no hangs though. Interesting.

mdow09 -- are you using background4allpapers? how about manila customizer (and if so, what have you used it to change)? anything loading in your startup group? trying to figure out what the common elements among people having this problem might be.

its happened to me on provens rom and when i had romeos
but a second reset always fixes it

Not using background4allpapers or manila customizer, the clsoest thing I am using to that is TF3D config. My senses tell me it is something to do with my secondtoday screen. My startups are as follows:
Answer key disabler
autoshortcut.ink
cleartemp.ink
filedlgchgs.ink
G-alarm reload
HTC startup
PKG.ink
poutlook.ink
startclean.ink

hmmm.... I've not gotten a permanent fix either, I occasionally hang up after a reset. When I have my issue, the start menu is operational and I can load programs etc w/o issues. It's only the today screen that's hung which is why I tried fixing it by refreshing the items list in today settings. I'm not running touchflo either if that makes a diff.

mdow09 -- It looks like the only things in common we're running are the processes that are always there. Nothing from an installed app.
Sleuth -- How long does the today/ok seem to fix it for? Do you do something in between that could be re-triggering the problem? I've done 6-7 resets since I reinstalled background4allpapes. I got a freeze on the first. I tried the today/ok and it hasn't frozen since. Been running various apps and doing various tasks in between the resets.

I -MAY- have solved this, or at least worked around it.
Previously, I tried uninstalling Background4allpages. That seemed to solve it, but I only had it uninstalled for a day or so. No conclusive word on whether it was involved.
I tried Sleuth's Today/OK trick. That seemed to stave it off for a while. Still came back. Possibly after installing new apps or doing other things that affect the Today setup. Not sure.
But here's my most recent attempt -- I moved TouchFlo3d (almost) all the way to the top in the list of Today items, with everything else (as normal) unchecked. You can't go all the way to the top, because the date entry is there. My working theory (based on nothing concrete yet) is that the plugins are loaded in the order in which they appear in that list, and the Today function isn't getting to load one that's problematic. Perhaps it's a similar issue - when the problem appears, Touchflo itself won't load because of another plugin that loads first, but each would be fine independently. In any case, pushing it to the top priority seems to be preventing the problem -- at least for now.
Obvious holes in my theory -- It seems strange that Today would still load unchecked plug-ins at all, though maybe it still does some sort of cursory scan of them. And wouldn't the problematic plugin still then load AFTER touchflo in my new setup? Maybe it is, but it's only causing a problem if it loads before TF3D?
As before, will report back after more observation ...

Wordsmith9091 said:
Sleuth -- How long does the today/ok seem to fix it for? Do you do something in between that could be re-triggering the problem? I've done 6-7 resets since I reinstalled background4allpapes. I got a freeze on the first. I tried the today/ok and it hasn't frozen since. Been running various apps and doing various tasks in between the resets.
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Its intermittent for sure. I've not been able to peg down what causes it yet.

Original Registry Settings for Touch Pro

Hey guys,
I hate for my first post here to be a problem, but while trying to get Wargus running on my Touch Pro I changed the registry setting for HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINEDriversConsoleOutputTo to 0 to use PocketCMD.
While browsing around trying to figure out why PocketCMD won't display text unless I scroll up or down, I found someone who said they managed to kill their Pro after reboot by changing the value to 0, like the instructions said. Before I reboot I was hoping to change it back to the original value so that I don't have this problem.
They claimed that by doing this, it caused the console to come up on boot and they were unable to continue past this. Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I just got this a few days ago and would hate to have already killed it .

just do a hard reset....

That is what I ended up doing. I was just hoping I wouldn't have to lose all my contacts and installs I had already entered. I guess I have learned my lesson to backup the registry before messing around. Thanks anyway, though.

Whenever I do a hard reset, I save all my contacts to my sim card, or I do a back up with HTC data back up.

Here is the backup tool I use

Thanks, I will probably end up using that regularly. The problem I was having before is that WM wouldn't boot far enough for me to do anything from the phone. It came up with a console menu once the task bar loaded, displayed some diagnostic info and then froze.
I guess this would be a seperate topic as well, but what console do you use for the Touch Pro since the registry editing needed to run PocketCMD causes the phone to freeze on boot?

iScott78 said:
Here is the backup tool I use
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My HTC Touch HD also freezes at a same way because of the same situation.
How is it possible to install/use this tool since it freezes around at the 5th second after boot?

What is com.htc.fotafailnotify ?

Hello,
Yesterday morning I have updated my Android to 2.29, from 2.2 (something) on my HTC Desire. Initially it failed to install due to lack of space (did not have the required 25 MB minimum).
Now, in my list of downloaded applications I see a com.htc.fotafailnotify and everything is 0.00kb. It shows up under Settings-> Applications -> Manage Applications -> Downloaded (tab)
Is this a result of that failure and can I uninstall it without any unpleasant consequences?
- Today, I have uninstalled it and apparently nothing noticeable has happened.
Only strange thing is that after uninstalling it, I cannot select another application from that menu, but I can scroll up/down, leave the menu, everything else. If i come back to it, it's back to normal for the first 3-4 then it happens again.
Can anyone tell me what this is and if I messed up by removing it? No one has replied on the Desire section of the forum, and Google was of no help whatsoever.
Thanks!