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What version of Duttys 6.1 is best?

Build 19199 or Build 5.2.19716 updated FEB 20.2008 seems to be the newer one?

i personally prefer 19716 build but you can try both and figure it out. there was no need to open a whole new thread just 4 this question.

It's a perfectly valid question dude.
Like most people I am frustrated by people asking the same questions again and again, but I am concerned that this forum is in danger of heading down a bad road by bashing noobs at every opportunity.

Rabangus said:
It's a perfectly valid question dude.
Like most people I am frustrated by people asking the same questions again and again, but I am concerned that this forum is in danger of heading down a bad road by bashing noobs at every opportunity.
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Yes it's a perfectly valid question to ask in Dutty's thread about his ROM not creating a whole new thread about it.

totally agree.
You could argue this is like asking a parent which one of their kids they like the most!
Best thing is to try both and see which you prefer. There will be advocates for both.
ps don't try that with your kids. it will end you up in jail.

I use each rom on my 2 tilts. I feel that 197 is more stable. 191 sometimes freeze if you push some buttons whil they are booting up. doesn't happen to 197.

No disrespect to anyone here on the board, but Dutty's thread is quickly becoming useless to me. I'm not going to weed through 330+ pages of replies to try to follow a conversation or find a piece of information in there. That thread is quickly becoming it's own universe.
I'm glad this thread was started - It's good information for me that I wouldn't have otherwise found.
Regards,
Jeff

trick420 said:
No disrespect to anyone here on the board, but Dutty's thread is quickly becoming useless to me. I'm not going to weed through 330+ pages of replies to try to follow a conversation or find a piece of information in there. That thread is quickly becoming it's own universe.
I'm glad this thread was started - It's good information for me that I wouldn't have otherwise found.
Regards,
Jeff
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Here's the point....I garuntee if you post in there with a question it will be answered...there's no point in making a new thread....that's all I'm saying.

alltheway said:
Here's the point....I garuntee if you post in there with a question it will be answered...there's no point in making a new thread....that's all I'm saying.
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Posted a question ... no answer.
That thread is bull....
It took me 5 minutes to even find my posting.
The thread might make sense if someone was moderating it ... meaning putting questions into the first post with links to answers. But this? Bull!

coolVariable said:
Posted a question ... no answer.
That thread is bull....
It took me 5 minutes to even find my posting.
The thread might make sense if someone was moderating it ... meaning putting questions into the first post with links to answers. But this? Bull!
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Yeah, all threads suffer from this, and I'm also totally agreeing with you, I'm also in the same situation, cannot read hundreds of posts and pages of every ROM thread to find out if it's a suitable one to upgrade to. Trying out so many ROMs until satisfied is not an option for me (ok, I'd admit trying a few, but not every version of every flavour of wm6.1), I want to find one to get rid of my german wm6.0 and have iGo still working, and no issues more than with 6.0.
An updated FAQ in the beginning posts of the respective threads would be useful, but even better, real wiki articles (not just links back to forum threads). Don't want to upset people who discovered the Internet just when these forums where already around, but on mailing lists information and discussions where easier to follow and filter...
Just my 0.2€...

Back to the question: which is the best?
Let me tell you: the new 19716 RTM out to come soon will be the best and fastest ever!!!

Old Stickies

Post any comments\questions\suggestions below...

What about a sticky thread for all ROMs?

I think it should remain active, but grouped in a single post under the name olds sticky, so this is easier to locate.
Greetings.

Yes, if an [OLD] tag would be added the stickies would be cleaner.
But the best sollution would be for everyone to make fresh ROMs!

KALI2000 said:
I think it should remain active, but grouped in a single post under the name olds sticky, so this is easier to locate.
Greetings.
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agree 100%

I voted "Yes", but I'd like to see a rollup sticky for at least a few months after the last update...

KALI2000 said:
I think it should remain active, but grouped in a single post under the name olds sticky, so this is easier to locate.
Greetings.
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One more for this option

i'm sorry for my ignorance but what is exactly a stiky?

We've got too many stickies at the moment and it's hard to keep track of all the different build numbers, so I think we should have a single sticky post which links to the following wiki page:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_Cooked_ROMs

kalimah said:
i'm sorry for my ignorance but what is exactly a stiky?
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Stickies are those threads that stay at the top of the first page of threads, even if no one posts in them for a while. You will notice they have "Sticky" to the left of their name.
no1 said:
We've got too many stickies at the moment and it's hard to keep track of all the different build numbers, so I think we should have a single sticky post which links to the following wiki page:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_Cooked_ROMs
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The problem with that Wiki page is that the ROM developers don't update\maintain it
I'll probably have a go at updating it after my exams are over.

I have all the respect for Jwrightmcps's ROMS ..thats how I started with Universal Cooked ROMs..however honestly..it would be nice if the cooker let an update if he was working on something or not....
Based on that...if the cooker leaves no update on what he's doing next I think the ROM sticky needs to go...in fact I agree with the [OLD] thread subject update. Its a good idea however better than that would be to open a seperate small subsection (subforum) for each device called Archived ROMs...anything thats over a 6 month timeframe is considered old with the latest technology updates and the fact that new rom's are shooting out (for other devices and brought over here) at the speed of light. We have seen more than 10 devices launched in the span of a year, which is amazing considering a few years ago ...it was quite the opposite...
I personally feel old rom's need to be archived (let people search them out, thats what SEARCH is for, or a subsection forum). It helps in another way. How many times do we see threads asking for "What's the best ROM to use" ... if a ROM is almost bugfree (or has no issues or bug reports since the last 6 months), they stay sticky (even if theres no development for a future rom) - this ensures that its close to stable and is worth STICKY even though its not the "latest thing" (its stable or close to stable).
Removing old rom's isnt the best idea, since it leaves us missing the past history of what the developers did and how far we all got. History should remain an integral part of the forum, however history needs no sticky. The Fast, Furious and the Stablest needs recognition. Obviously the old is gold - saying remains but not for a sticky. The idea of sticky is - GO HERE, IT's Important..historically yes, the old roms are milestones, however you have a search system for that...
Further the fact that you have Wikis for a few developers now, lets them post an update and a link to the past thread - the perfect History book (updated to today). I think that's how we should go further...The latest , stablest roms are setup as sticky OR optionally each developer has his own sticky thread - first post links to HIS/HER WIKI...for tons of information and links to old threads/roms....
I think thats the best way to go..however these are my thoughts based on what I would prefer .... suggestions will vary...but I think I make sense (at least to myself)

TehPenguin said:
The problem with that Wiki page is that the ROM developers don't update\maintain it
I'll probably have a go at updating it after my exams are over.
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Exactly my point...if developers dont update it..they arent very interested or sure about it (or they dont have time). I feel wiki is the way to go. Developers should feel the time (or have a few fans) to fill in the details. Dutty updates his wiki (well he's on vacation so cant blame him on missing the latest if he did)...
I think Wiki makes a lot of sense and you have to start to use it. If we say people dont have the time to use or update wiki...maybe we should drop the wiki...(which wont happen)...the point is...Wiki is definitely a good thing to look at and develop on.

Hi all,
I have made a new thread here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398647
please can all devs add links to their roms in this thread, please nobody else post anything on this thread to keep it clean. I have requested that the mods remove any posts from this thread that do not contain rom links from Devs.
I have also requested that our old rom thread be released from sticky as I have added links to most of our (Beasty & Laurentius26) Roms in this main thread.
Good point D.
Cheers,
Beasty

beast0898 said:
Hi all,
I have made a new thread here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398647
please can all devs add links to their roms in this thread, please nobody else post anything on this thread to keep it clean. I have requested that the mods remove any posts from this thread that do not contain rom links from Devs.
I have also requested that our old rom thread be released from sticky as I have added links to most of our (Beasty & Laurentius26) Roms in this main thread.
Good point D.
Cheers,
Beasty
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I've stickied your thread, though I would much rather people use the wiki page...

TehPenguin said:
I've stickied your thread, though I would much rather people use the wiki page...
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Thanks mate,
I'll try and get round to doing the Wiki too, some time soon.
Getting a bit more free time now, time to get "the house in order" before moving on to the Pro.
I agree the Wiki should be done, I also believe a sticky thread for all WM6/WM6.1 Roms is very usefull in this forum though.
When did you become a mod sir?
Cheers,
Beasty

beast0898 said:
Thanks mate,
I'll try and get round to doing the Wiki too, some time soon.
Getting a bit more free time now, time to get "the house in order" before moving on to the Pro.
I agree the Wiki should be done, I also believe a sticky thread for all WM6/WM6.1 Roms is very usefull in this forum though.
When did you become a mod sir?
Cheers,
Beasty
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I became a mod about a week ago - thanks (I think) to our good friend Midget_1990
For the stickies, I think we'll have it that the latest ROMs get stickied and have the wiki\rolled up sticky for all ROMs, current or previous

Congrets
TehPenguin said:
I became a mod about a week ago - thanks (I think) to our good friend Midget_1990
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Congrets, my friend!!
You achieved it but no PARTY...!!!
cheers

I think some old Roms need to be sticky, e.g BL's 2.08.01. That came out long ago, it was stable and perfect and he didn't contributed anything as non-beta since that. Removing the track of such is unfair to the Devs I believe.

oqaab said:
I think some old Roms need to be sticky, e.g BL's 2.08.01. That came out long ago, it was stable and perfect and he didn't contributed anything as non-beta since that. Removing the track of such is unfair to the Devs I believe.
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I have a sticky with a link to all my roms, and hope that other devs will add to that thread a post with all their rom versions and links.
I still prefer my old 2.07.05 FF, I think that was the best I have released, but everyone has their own preferences.
Maybe I will release one more Rom before moving on to Touch Pro, time will tell.
Cheers,
Beasty

Hmmm, I see some contradictions already as to the purpose of this thread.
In my opinion I think it should be settled first what thread deserves as sticky. I would say first & foremost to go in is the Wiki, saves us & newbies from doing search for Universal essentials... unlocking, flashing, bootloader upgrade, page pool setup, etc., etc. etc.
A link to all the published ROM's probably organized by owner or by version (WM5, WM6, WM6.1, etc.) can be part of the wiki as well. Another working model is what our new mod & this thread owner TehPenguin is doing: A ROM repository. Point a link to it inside the Wiki and we can have a 'cleaner' forum threads.
Was wondering also why not all 'new' ROM's get stickied irregardless if its not the builder who posted it, any criteria in this matter?
My thoughts shared.

HTC Max 4G Forum?

Hey guys,
Could one of the moderators add a forum for the new HTC Max 4G? I know it's a lot of forums to add, but I think this device looks really promising
thanks

mbarvian said:
Hey guys,
Could one of the moderators add a forum for the new HTC Max 4G? I know it's a lot of forums to add, but I think this device looks really promising
thanks
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i second that. i hope it will work on the att network!

I am assuming that because of this models limited release, it won't be getting a dedicated forum.
Could someone please confirm or deny that Blackstone mods and software are compatible with the Max? If so, then the lack of it's own forum won't be as missed considering the ample community surrounding the HD.
Thank you.

Guys
In About XDA-Devs there is a thread called petitions form users to mods
I think this asking should go there, so you´ll have more chances to get their atention
Just a suggestion.

Looks like a great device, but in order to have a forum, you have to actually have people contributing to it. In all the HTC forums that I read regularly , I have only read one post from someone in Russia, who actually has one.
Any others?

Cool device...I've only seen 2 prior threads on it in the HD section & Networking section.

orb3000 said:
Guys
In About XDA-Devs there is a thread called petitions form users to mods
I think this asking should go there, so you´ll have more chances to get their atention
Just a suggestion.
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The first two posts are rather old, the individuals probably weren't aware the device was only being released in Russia. I doubt there are any people actually expecting the Quartz to get a forum of its own at this point.
I simply didn't want to start a new thread for my question, so bumped this one instead. I see where I should have been more clear. Denco7 and Galaxys are correct in their observations that there will likely be little activity directed toward this handset directly. I was just hoping to get some clarification on whether Quartz owners can play with contributions for the HD or not.
In retrospect, starting a new thread in the Blackstone forums would have been more effective.

Consciousness said:
I was just hoping to get some clarification on whether Quartz owners can play with contributions for the HD or not.
In retrospect, starting a new thread in the Blackstone forums would have been more effective.
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Here's the original max4g thread that may have some info or you can ask questions:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=461922&highlight=max4g

Two facts.
1. HardSPL available (by cmonex).
2. First cooked ROMs have been tested by 4pda users.
Hope these would be enough for hosting new forum for Quartz users as their activity will definitely boost.

first of all mods can't make new forums only admin can do that
2ed
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=263
this is the forum specific made for such requests

Oh if with gonna have a review this gonan be nice, its a great device.

[Q&A] Everything eee pad

ive decided to start a treat for all those noobs that cant search or has never heard of a search engine, from petty stuff to more major things. Ask away!

That is a good idea in theory, but if they can't search, how are they going to this this thread tomorrow if it isnt bumped often? Have the same problem with my noob guide.. if they can't search, then they are going to start another thread, and all the coverall posts just get buried under new single question posts

luna_c666 said:
That is a good idea in theory, but if they can't search, how are they going to this this thread tomorrow if it isnt bumped often? Have the same problem with my noob guide.. if they can't search, then they are going to start another thread, and all the coverall posts just get buried under new single question posts
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Agree with you! Need to stick this on the beginning

Just keep posting random stuff to bump it
Sent from my SPH-D700 using xda premium

Ok, here is a question;
Instead of starting a new thread lol
I need to edit unix-friendly files (i.e. updater-scripts and xml files), what is the 'best' (see your recommended) unix-friendly text-editor for Android?
Also, would like to package the files to be flashed in CWM without leaving the Android environment (could do it in Ubuntu if I set up a dual boot but would like to do it natively in Android). SO, what is the best method of creating flashable zip files from the TF?
(This is a question for anyone who can answer not just to the OP necessarily)
P.S. If this thread is to be of any use, you will have to answer questions posted here in a timely fashion as well, otherwise impatient noobs waiting on an answer will post their question in a new thread anyways lol
The 4 hours I've been waiting on a reply to my question would have been a dealbreaker for a noob

Searching.....
luna_c666 said:
That is a good idea in theory, but if they can't search, how are they going to this this thread tomorrow if it isnt bumped often? Have the same problem with my noob guide.. if they can't search, then they are going to start another thread, and all the coverall posts just get buried under new single question posts
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The problem comes up when searching for certain things.....for instance when I was trying to figure out why the Asus App Backup wasn't working. Try searching for that (without the benefit of Boolean operators) in the transformer forum. It selects every post with "Asus", every post with "App", and every post with "Backup". I used to train people on how to search for stuff in support databases, and in Microsoft Technet, so I don't consider myself a noob, and trust...I do a fair share of searching before I ever ask a question. Just sayin'...........

dr_korb said:
The problem comes up when searching for certain things.....for instance when I was trying to figure out why the Asus App Backup wasn't working. Try searching for that (without the benefit of Boolean operators) in the transformer forum. It selects every post with "Asus", every post with "App", and every post with "Backup". I used to train people on how to search for stuff in support databases, and in Microsoft Technet, so I don't consider myself a noob, and trust...I do a fair share of searching before I ever ask a question. Just sayin'...........
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Use google search and add asus transformer to whatever you are looking for. I never use the search inside xda because its crap. XDA is supposed to be a developers site not product support.
I understand the frustration trying to find something but as of right now there are 3 threads on the first page of Q&A basically wanting the same info. I'm not directing this at you but about 80% of the people posting here want to be spoon fed everything. They think because they searched once and opened 1 link and the answer wasn't there that the answer can't be found. When you can open a thread and see the same question asked and answered 3 or 4 times in 10 posts (and was likely answered in the OP) you can tell people don't even read much less search. And it doesn't help the situation when some mods just ignore their own rules and continue to allow the same thing to be posted over and over or allow threads to go off topic. I tried flaming people but that got me temp banned and I tried reporting posts but that got me temp banned as well.(I reported the same thread for on going flame war and got a temp ban for reporting the same repeatedly)
XDA is either gonna clean up threads or continue to drive off devs who are tired of being tech support for n00bs who have to be spoon fed every detail. My favorite question that is asked is "If i'm coming from rom A to your rom do I need to wipe?". Take the time and make a backup and do whatever you want but in general every rom I've every flashed has asked that you wipe when coming from another rom.
Sorry.....rant over. I'm guessing this post will be edited and I will recieve some more ban points
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EDIT: To the OP. Thanks for trying but its doomed to failure. You could sticky a post that said "This thread will answer all questions" and people would ignore it and post a new thread asking a question answered in the stickied thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=23392317
I would be shocked if this hasnt been asked and answered at least 100 times

[Q] What is the meaning of OP

I wanted to know what does that mean, because i saw some users that have this next to their rank. I dont know if you will understand what im asking, i give you an example in case you dont understand:
Matiasdl
Junior member - OP
Well that`s all, thanks.

matiasdl said:
I wanted to know what does that mean, because i saw some users that have this next to their rank. I dont know if you will understand what im asking, i give you an example in case you dont understand:
Matiasdl
Junior member - OP
Well that`s all, thanks.
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OP simply stands for "Original Poster"
Its a term relative to a thread. Say you started a new thread, for eg this very thread. So you are the original poster of it.. and thus in front of your title, OP would be added so that rest of the community knows that you were the person who started it (or in this case, the one who is wanting the answer). This becomes really helpful when few pages have been posted, so when you post a reply again after many pages, people can get to know that you were the one who originally posted it.

Rygart1811 said:
OP simply stands for "Original Poster"
Its a term relative to a thread. Say you started a new thread, for eg this very thread. So you are the original poster of it.. and thus in front of your title, OP would be added so that rest of the community knows that you were the person who started it (or in this case, the one who is wanting the answer). This becomes really helpful when few pages have been posted, so when you post a reply again after many pages, people can get to know that you were the one who originally posted it.
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Thanks for the explaination and for your fast answer. I think a moderator can close the thread now. Thanks again.