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Original Keyboard comes up with phone pad is selected

Hi all, has anyone had any problems with phone pad when you select it the original keyboard comes up
Its driving me crazy!

search around this has been discussed here before somewhere...can't remember where!
I think it might be to do with memory (lack of)... have you changed the page pool size?
Maybe you have apps running in startup?
if you have something like "SPB pocket plus" installed, you could try loading Windows in "safe mode" and see if it lets you choose the phone pad then...
<edit> removed my other edit as per post below

triplejay said:
search around this has been discussed here before somewhere...can't remember where!
I think it might be to do with memory (lack of)... have you changed the page pool size?
Maybe you have apps running in startup?
if you have something like "SPB pocket plus" installed, you could try loading Windows in "safe mode" and see if it lets you choose the phone pad then...
<edit> ha, just clicked on your username. Why don't you try the 12mbPP version, or change your PP to 12 with the tool....
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hahahh,you are killing me i have problem with 8mb pool size version ))

ok this is weird!
I have been playing about and i tried the following:
1. turn on flight mode
2. reboot
3. wait until the backlight turns off
4. change the input method
This (for some odd reason) worked! But i have a funny feeling its totally random
What advantages are there of the 12mb pp? I was always under the impression that the lower it was the better (in terms of memory)

ceanth said:
ok this is weird!
I have been playing about and i tried the following:
1. turn on flight mode
2. reboot
3. wait until the backlight turns off
4. change the input method
This (for some odd reason) worked! But i have a funny feeling its totally random
What advantages are there of the 12mb pp? I was always under the impression that the lower it was the better (in terms of memory)
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Just done this trick of mine and its not working
Shouldnt have rebooted the phone

changing pool size didnt work (cause my phone to hang for some reason)
The only solution i found which worked is this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1662514#post1662514

mea culpa: i thought I knew things but I really didn't...
good that u got it sorted...I guess if you load as "default" it will load the phone pad into ram instead of the standard keyboard thus saving some memory
Why don't you try the 12mbPP version, or change your PP to 12 with the tool....
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hmm i posted that? whoops. Ok, I wasn't sober. That's my excuse, and I'm sticking to it.
y'know, i used to know this stuff, How did I manage to get things so confused...
i can't find the links to the msdn developer blogs where it's all explained nicely
(and that search button is just saying "come and trawl through 1000 noob posts" lol)
so now I'm confusing myself
Deep in the depths of the operating system of your device, there is something called the 'PagePool'. Without going into too much detail (and as I understand it!), the PagePool is a special area of memory reserved for loading apps into from ROM. This PagePool is a lot faster than ROM, so when things are executed from this 'cache' instead, the performance of a device will be quicker. On the flipside, if you have a 8MB pagepool (HTC Touch) and you're using, say, 4MB of the pagepool, then 4MB of space is wasted that could be program memory. Similarly if you have a 12MB pagepool (!) (T-Mobile Wing) in this instance you would we wasting 8MB of space!
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from http://www.modaco.com/content/Daily...ng-the-HTC-Touch-T-Mobile-Wing-PagePool-size/
so I'm not even sure about anything anymore, but at this point I think that zerod is correctly indicating that I gave you the wrong information regarding page pool, and that 12MB will give you less free memory and less likelihood of running phonepad?....
so...I'm gonna go ahead and edit out that recommendation, as people all over the web view xda as a goldmine for WM info, and there's no point in leaving bad info for them....
and if anyone wants to elaborate on page pool, or leave some links here...please do

128MB and cache performance

for anyone who has upgraded to 128MB device, I've been doing a little research into putting all that extra RAM to good use and imroving the preformace of the Universal.
Had a little more time to sit down and test the pagepool think properly. Don't actually think that changing it made any difference and we're probably better off with having none (And it shouldn't really make much difference when I think about it)
Have tried both "Beast & Leos" and Ivans latest. There are a couple of things which make a big difference. First up is increasing the Glyph cache. The optimum value I found was around 65536.
The second thing that seemed to make the most difference was the File system Filter Cache. I set this at 16384.
I've set the File system cache to 8192. Though not sure of the benefit yet. There may be a link between the performance and the highresources cab but still investigating this.
With these settings at reset I get around 68Mb of RAM free. Not much free if your still on 64MB RAM!
The difference to system performance is marked though. One of the best examples is loading up the windows folder which usually has a noticable lag is "almost" instaneous. The TCPMP benchmark I got with the tweaked settings was 322% playback speed and 2.5Mbit/sec transfer rate. For this test setup this is by far the best performance obtained on any ROM I've tested.
PS Am also using the performance tool to OC to 624Mhz Dynamically.

WizP said:
There are a couple of things which make a big difference. First up is increasing the Glyph cache. The optimum value I found was around 65536.
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How about the value 131072 (decimal) or 20000 (hex)?
How would that change your test keeping everything else the same?
WizP said:
PS Am also using the performance tool to OC to 624Mhz Dynamically.
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How is the effect on the battery?
Best regards,
KOR!

King of Rapture™ said:
How about the value 131072 (decimal) or 20000 (hex)?
How would that change your test keeping everything else the same?
How is the effect on the battery?
Best regards,
KOR!
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Seemed to make things slightly slower at 131072, but am curious to see how other fair!
As for the battery if anything the battery life is slightly better. - I'm not running processor intensive applications all the time to while the Universal is "snoozing" its should be sitting around 300Mhz.
Does anyone know exactly how this app works? I am curious as the other tools I've use i.e. Pocket Hack Master always show the processor speed in TCPMP but this little app doesn't. however adjusting the speed does appear to change the playback percentage!

hi WizP,
you are absolutely right! the processor does slow down to 300Mhz when no app is running.
i'm using Battery Status today plug-in by Chi-Tai DANG (freeware, found here at xda-dev) to display CPU speed & it does shows 300Mhz when CPU is idle.
the performance tool really works, although i don't overclock beyond 520Mhz. i use the performance tool more for battery saving than for it's overclocking facility.

Page Pool question

Hello all
When you say in your signature "32mb pp" or "20mb pp" is this something we have to set individually or it is already set by the ROM?
Thanks

maherb said:
Hello all
When you say in your signature "32mb pp" or "20mb pp" is this something we have to set individually or it is already set by the ROM?
Thanks
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Each from has a default pagepool, for instance Dutty's V4 rom is 24MB page pool. Diffrent pagepool has different effect. For the Kaiser, you have to change the Rom's Page Pool before flash it.

thank you for your reply, too late now, I have flashed 2 days ago

maherb said:
thank you for your reply, too late now, I have flashed 2 days ago
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On this forum... You can always flash again... trying to get more speed or better features is what it is all about

Yup...gotta change the page pool before flashing. I am running Dutty's No.7b w/32MB page pool.

I'm running a 50mb pp and it is awesome!

maherb said:
Hello all
When you say in your signature "32mb pp" or "20mb pp" is this something we have to set individually or it is already set by the ROM?
Thanks
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Also increasing the PP decreases your Program memory.

alltheway said:
Also increasing the PP decreases your Program memory.
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Not in the Kaiser it doesn't... in Hermes and others yes.

how would I go about changing my page pool to improve performance?
also, Is the performance increase significantly noticable?
one more thing, how do I check what my current page pool is?
thanks!!!!

here is the program

Moe5508 said:
Not in the Kaiser it doesn't... in Hermes and others yes.
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Would there be problems with running it even higher then? I noticed it tops out at 64mb, why not just use that?

elypsar said:
Would there be problems with running it even higher then? I noticed it tops out at 64mb, why not just use that?
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Personal preference and some benchmarks (SPB Benchmark, SKTools etc). Test extensively at different settings till you find your ideal one. It's a combination of the feel of the ROM afterwards + the actual benchmark score. From personal experience I can tell you "Speed Perceived = Speed Achieved". So the highest benchmark score may not neccessarily "feel" the fastest, but other users may have had different experiences.
Dutty seems to have settled on 24MB and I can confirm his ROMs "fly" at that setting.
Quentin (Q-Mobile) ran extensive tests and settled on 32MB with tweaked file system cache/font settings.
So remember its not just the PP you can tweak. Always use KaiserTweak and/or Schap's Advanced Configuration Tool to tweak your settings further. I have found my ideal settings and always always tweak any new ROM I flash to these.
If you hit "custom" button you can even go beyond 64MB on the pagepool changer tool...but yes there is a performance utility curve: beyond a certain setting you do not get any incremental performance from pushing the PP to its limit...I don't know what that limit is. I have done enough tests of my own and settled happily on 50MB...

Moe5508 said:
I have done enough tests of my mine and settled happily on 50MB...
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Which ROM's do you use with 50mb pp?

alltheway said:
Which ROM's do you use with 50mb pp?
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Am currently using udK's 6.3 R0, used it on DCS v0.4, on Schap's WM6.1 beta, Schap's WM6 v4.31, Q-Mobile v1.2, Dutty's v3, Dutty's v4 RTM, L26 WM6 WWE HTCHK Ver.1, Alex's v5 Home 1.81, SNE v2.0...tried them all and consistently this setting just breaks the speed barrier time and again...as per my perception...with File System Cache = 8192, Filter Cache = 32768, and Font = 131072 or a slight variation thereof... again this may be device- and installed software-dependent. I usually have quite a lot of apps installed, including: Resco Explorer 6.17, TomTom 6, Calligrapher 8.6, Pocket Informant 8 Evo; full suite of SPB apps (Diary, Weather, Finance, Shell, Backup, GPRS Monitor); S2U2 + S2V, SBSH Pocket Weather, Pocket e-Sword, QuickVerse 2007 Platinum...ah the list goes on and on...

Thanks for the explanation, I'll have to do some testing!

elypsar said:
Thanks for the explanation, I'll have to do some testing!
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Yeah, I suggest SPB Benchmark or SKTools...you can do dipstick tests that are quick and will give you some directional results, and once you think you've narrowed it, then you can run extensive tests on the 2 or 3 final settings to give you "the whole nine yards" as the saying goes...

Moe5508 said:
Am currently using udK's 6.3 R0, used it on DCS v0.4, on Schap's WM6.1 beta, Schap's WM6 v4.31, Q-Mobile v1.2, Dutty's v3, Dutty's v4 RTM, L26 WM6 WWE HTCHK Ver.1, Alex's v5 Home 1.81, SNE v2.0...tried them all and consistently this setting just breaks the speed barrier time and again...as per my perception...with File System Cache = 8192, Filter Cache = 32768, and Font = 131072 or a slight variation thereof... again this may be device- and installed software-dependent. I usually have quite a lot of apps installed, including: Resco Explorer 6.17, TomTom 6, Calligrapher 8.6, Pocket Informant 8 Evo; full suite of SPB apps (Diary, Weather, Finance, Shell, Backup, GPRS Monitor); S2U2 + S2V, SBSH Pocket Weather, Pocket e-Sword, QuickVerse 2007 Platinum...ah the list goes on and on...
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Thank you for all this info. Much appreciated

You're welcome alltheway...hope you discover your "ideal" settings...

is there any other info I should know before attempting this? such as performance improvement? how noticable? what is recommended? I am running Dutty's dualtouch v4 currently...

moto2000 said:
is there any other info I should know before attempting this? such as performance improvement? how noticable? what is recommended? I am running Dutty's dualtouch v4 currently...
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But dude, we just spoke about that in posts # 12 & 14...

VOX-OC New

This is a new version of Vox-OC to overclock your device.
The only change is that you no longer have to install Tornado Power control, it is included in this merged installation.
Just install this to your device memory and overclock using Vox-OC.
have fun
View attachment VoxOC.CAB
p.s. - suggestions are welcome..

nice one!
very handy the all in one solution!
maybe set the standard values to 228, 180, 132 instead of 228, 186, 186

oh 132 is too low
not a good speed
the device may even lock up
so not recommended

Which Tornado Power control ver. is there in cab?
It should be 2 beta, earlier version creates problems using lowlight for dim/brightness

prajith said:
oh 132 is too low
not a good speed
the device may even lock up
so not recommended
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hmmm, I never had any problems with 132, using it for over a year now in screen off/idle mode!

this is with tried and tested TPC version 1.4
works very well.

help
can someone help me. When I installed Smarttweak, the omap clock resets to 186 again when it awakens from idle mode. I already have installed load.exe. Before when smarttweak was not yet installed omap is ok.
I am still running windows mobile 6 original version of dopod c500(htc vox)

check the speed settings in Power_on file

where can i locate this? Im sorry a bit new here

I cannot open power_on file. i can only open omapclock

copy the power_on file to your computer and then open with notepad.

got it already. there was something wrong with my tweak anyway got it fix already. tnx btw.

[Q] Dynamic Pagepools?

I don't see chefs using dynamic pagepools (set to 0) anymore.
When I get a ROM, one of the first things I do is set the pagepool to 0.
Is there a reason that people are shying away from this?
Does having a fixed vs dynamic pagepool really offer better performance?

I've been experimenting with dynamic pagepool (on a 6.1 rom), and I find it works just fine, if not better than when I manually set a 16, 18, or 20 meg pagepool. I have a feeling that results will vary quite a bit though, depending on the OS build and what's installed.

Moved as not ROM Development.
I set to 0 dynamic and find better than a static pagepool generally see the improvement when flicking through pics in TF3D and access of start menu icons.

I've used everything from 12-28 on 6.5 roms (they all seemed pretty much the same), and have used 0 before and have gone back to it. It is faster for me; particularly, I get faster boot speeds in sk tools benchmarking (by maybe 0.5 seconds). I don't do hardcore multitasking, but it seems to me that it runs smoother with several heavy apps running. But it uses memory like crazy sometimes. I'll see 100 MB disappear when I use wmplayer to play an .mp3 (but not other formats, like .wma). It seems pretty stable; I remember having the device periodically freeze for 30-60 seconds when I tried it earlier, but it hasn't been a problem in this go-round. I kind of like it. It is definitely one way to get the most out of your ram.

I too receive better performance with a dynamic pagepool. What I'm wondering is whats everyone setting for they're file system filter cache?

nagle3092 said:
I too receive better performance with a dynamic pagepool. What I'm wondering is whats everyone setting for they're file system filter cache?
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I have mine set at 800 (hex), but keep in mind that you can only change it before cooking the rom. I know that it appears in a lot of tweak programs, but changing it on the device post-flash doesn't work. The value is set in early boot, and it appears in the boot.hv which is in rom and can't be changed. It appears when you look at the registry with a registry editor, and you can change it, but by the time the sytem.hv is loaded it's too late for it to have any affect. Most roms have it disabled (set to 0). You can pull your boot.hv off your device and check the value on a pc with ceregeditor, but you can't change it. The same goes for the other file system caches. Hell, cachesize is an obsolete value, so trying to tweak it is doubly useless.