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Ok, so I've been using an HTC for my last 3 phones and now have to decide if I want to go with the Raphael or the iPhone 3g. Anyone here with experience with both care to comment?
If you want a keyboard, higher res screen, multitasking, slingplayer, a wireless modem for your laptop, support from xda dev like me, then you have to get the raphael. Otherwise the iphone would be ok i suppose.
My personal opinion about the iPhone 3G is that i find it more of a gadget then a real poweruser phone.
I also like the fact that the Raphael has a keyboard and that's a must for myself.
Here's a comparison link from pdadb.net for some spec differences.
I say GO HTC!
Plus there's no Cut/Copy/Paste functionality and the only Bluetooth profiles it supports are headset and hands-free, so no file transfers or music streaming.
And you'll have to put up with poor 3G reception: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/13/iphone_not_very_3g/
kmann said:
Ok, so I've been using an HTC for my last 3 phones and now have to decide if I want to go with the Raphael or the iPhone 3g. Anyone here with experience with both care to comment?
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I had the Diamond for a week and sent it back as the battery life was useless. Also the device heated up a lot when in use. The last straw came when I was trying to use it on the beach and the screen was totally washed out.
I am currently trying out an iPhone, and I must admit it does most all of what I want (phone/email/web) and some more... and the screen is visible in bright sunlight! Just need to get over some missing things - and itunes. Oh, and O2 network (useless 3G - have to switch it off most of the time). Oh, and iplayer works fantastically... thats almost sold me now.
I still have my TyTn2 in case I need a MS6.1 fix, but as things are going, I doubt it.
WatskeBart said:
My personal opinion about the iPhone 3G is that i find it more of a gadget then a real poweruser phone.
I also like the fact that the Raphael has a keyboard and that's a must for myself.
Here's a comparison link from pdadb.net for some spec differences.
I say GO HTC!
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I agree with WatskeBart 100%. The iphone has impressive hardware with the exception of the lack of keyboard of course but it can't do all that a normal smartphone can do because of the software on the device. If all u want is a media player and internet browser then u should get an iphone 3g. If you are a phone techie then u will be disappointed all the way. Not to say that the touch pro can't be a media player. As i'm writing this email i'm listening to music on my touch pro and i was watching Hancock like 30 mins ago.
HTC for sure!!
I talk from personal experience as I had an iPhone 3g before selling it to buy my Touch Pro.
I had the original iPhone which i soon chopped in for an N95 8gb as it was too slow for net usage and the lack of apps was rubbish. I then got the upgrade to the 3g iPhone thinking this would be an amazing bit of kit due to 3g, GPS and the new App Store. After a week of owning it I was not impressed at all.
Firstly the 3g, its half speed of the HTC only 3.4 i think as opposed to 7.2mbs and even when it does get a 3g connection it times out constently. Then when the 3g connection drops it fails to switch to Edge or GPRS sometimes which means it will never connect.
The GPS is ok, although running google maps of both the accuracy on the TP is much better I found plus you cant put TomTom on the iPhone at present.
Then there is the app store, what a load of tosh. The apps that are free are free becos, well you wouldn't pay for them and to be honest I found I had a load of apps installed just becos you could not becos you wanted them.
I would say the only thing the iPhone does better is music and games, being an iPod it should be and the games you can buy do run very well although limted due to control system.
Another niggle i had with the iPhone is the new case, it scratches so easy and you always feel you have to treat it with cotten gloves. One day indoor use and i had hairline scratches on the apple logo
I sold my iPhone on ebay for a tidy sum and have had a week with the Touch Pro and am so glad i did it.
Plus if you geta WM you get help and support from all the peps on here, the iPhone community is no where near as good lol
2 things which bother me about iphones are
1. got a free rss program of itunestore for my ipod touch
and without copy paste one have to surf to the rss feed one wants
and write it down on a note open the rss program and write it there
silly that one cant copy paste
2. got a free ebook reader program but only way one can get ebooks is from www url's
no option to get all the ebooks on my computer into the ipod
so it's useless
suspect the lack of freedom with iphones / ipods
both consering accessing data from ones computer and
lack of SD data or even basic filesystem access
are one of their biggests problems
forgot tomtom, and a2dp. use that all the time too.... iphone cant do either.
HTC as the it can access parts of the internet the iphone carn't reach
Touch Pro rocks!
I personnally think the Touch Pro and iPhone are not / should not even in the same category at all:
- 2.8" screen for "pocketability" vs 3.5" screen for comfort
- Full qwerty keyboard vs no keyboard (granted, the on-screen keyboard on the iPhone is even better to use than PCM Keyboard on my VGA 4 inches-screened HX4700, mainly due to the capacitive touchscreen)
- On one side, the nerly endlessly extensible Windows mobile, can do anything, but you can't expect noobs to fiddle with the registry everyday and swap ROMs to have a better-working device
- On the other side, the iPhone platform is less open, but easier to use for nOobs, apps are easy to install, and (where the features are actually implemented) it just works
Surely there are other different points!
I myself just couldn't care to be ensconced in the iPhone, with clearly throttled-down features (no A2DP protocol for BT, no MMS, no video with the camera, no f#$..g copy-paste, for Krishna's sake? How hard can it be?).
My vote goes for the Touch Pro!
My 0.02$...
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Ok, so I've been using an HTC for my last 3 phones and now have to decide if I want to go with the Raphael or the iPhone 3g. Anyone here with experience with both care to comment?
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I hope that kmann could make his decision based on our replies
plain and simple........copy and paste........nuff said.
the iphone is just a glorified Ipod, the HTC phones are usable computers in your hand and much much more.
I would suggest that you take a look at the iphone thread on the macrumours forum. You get the views of a large number of iphone owners there. To my mind, they fall into 3 categories: On the fence types, fan boy types (for whom the iphone can do no wrong) and a substantial number of people who are having real problems with the iphone - not so much the things that are missing (cut and paste, a2dp etc.) but problems with doing basic phone stufff (like making calls) and build quality issues (cracks appearing in casings, bits falling off/ stopping working etc.).
I am not an iphone hater - I have an Ipod touch with the very latest firmware on - it is a great music player and some of the apps from the apple store are good fun - I have even bought a couple! I have also spent a couple hours playing with the latest iphone (a friends'), as a phone and a serious business tool, it just didn't cut it for me.
Ok, time to chime on again. Thanks all for your input. I've got 30 years of experience in deep IT technology. I've programmed Operating Systems, hardware etc. I've cooked my own ROMs for the HTC phones. And maybe I'm getting old and tired of fighting the hassles, but you've got to admit the iPhone is sexy, and simple.
Sure I understand the limitations, for example, I use push email and Calendar sync and I realize Apple has yet to fully implement the ActiveSync APIs which causes issues.
So I am in a quandry. Am I tired of fighting the custom ROMs and having the some extra features I rarely use, or do I want sexy and simplicity.
Ah, I guess we live in great times when these are the decisions I have to wrestle with.
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Ok, time to chime on again. Thanks all for your input. I've got 30 years of experience in deep IT technology. I've programmed Operating Systems, hardware etc. I've cooked my own ROMs for the HTC phones. And maybe I'm getting old and tired of fighting the hassles, but you've got to admit the iPhone is sexy, and simple.
Sure I understand the limitations, for example, I use push email and Calendar sync and I realize Apple has yet to fully implement the ActiveSync APIs which causes issues.
So I am in a quandry. Am I tired of fighting the custom ROMs and having the some extra features I rarely use, or do I want sexy and simplicity.
Ah, I guess we live in great times when these are the decisions I have to wrestle with.
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i got sexy, simplicity as well as configurability. NOkia E71 (white steel). cant go wrong, 3.5G, BT, WIFI, GPS. all works as it should. IM using Garmint Mobile XT with Australia NT Maps 2009 without any issues, BT works like a charm, music player is fantastic, 8GB microsdhc card is fast.
dont know what else to say, im glad i bought this phone.
jasjamming said:
i got sexy, simplicity as well as configurability. NOkia E71 (white steel). cant go wrong, 3.5G, BT, WIFI, GPS. all works as it should. IM using Garmint Mobile XT with Australia NT Maps 2009 without any issues, BT works like a charm, music player is fantastic, 8GB microsdhc card is fast.
dont know what else to say, im glad i bought this phone.
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Wow, one of the top chefs of all time goes with the E71 (it is a badass device btw). Are you considering getting a touch pro and cooking for it or are you just chillin in the forums (hope its the former or your part of the elite project).
I will go for the Raphael because of this great forum here, but as far as I have compared these two phones in action I must say that at this moment the only advantage of the Raphael is the keyboard, if you really need one:
1. The screen resolution of the iphone is not VGA, but the screen size is bigger (3.5 against 2.8) and this is a big advantage. The screen quality is great and the keyboard is bigger because of the size, so for many people it is not a problem to type.
2. Programs start much faster on iphone. Yes, they do!
3. The OS is much more stable for the moment. Plus, iphone comes with a stable version of a web browser, not with a beta version of Opera (which I like, but still it is beta!).
4. The iphone is really easy to use.
Cheers,
Eriol
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I will go for the Raphael because of this great forum here, but as far as I have compared these two phones in action I must say that at this moment the only advantage of the Raphael is the keyboard, if you really need one:
1. The screen resolution of the iphone is not VGA, but the screen size is bigger (3.5 against 2.8) and this is a big advantage. The screen quality is great and the keyboard is bigger because of the size, so for many people it is not a problem to type.
2. Programs start much faster on iphone. Yes, they do!
3. The OS is much more stable for the moment. Plus, iphone comes with a stable version of a web browser, not with a beta version of Opera (which I like, but still it is beta!).
4. The iphone is really easy to use.
Cheers,
Eriol
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I also agree with Eriols arguments. The program starting part can be quick on HTC i think that depends on how your ROM is configured.
Eriol said:
I will go for the Raphael because of this great forum here, but as far as I have compared these two phones in action I must say that at this moment the only advantage of the Raphael is the keyboard, if you really need one:
1. The screen resolution of the iphone is not VGA, but the screen size is bigger (3.5 against 2.8) and this is a big advantage. The screen quality is great and the keyboard is bigger because of the size, so for many people it is not a problem to type.
2. Programs start much faster on iphone. Yes, they do!
3. The OS is much more stable for the moment. Plus, iphone comes with a stable version of a web browser, not with a beta version of Opera (which I like, but still it is beta!).
4. The iphone is really easy to use.
Cheers,
Eriol
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I think that brings it back to what WatskeBart said earlier about the iphone being a gadget not a power house phone. Don't get me wrong I have nothing against the iphone i think the hardware is excellent for a second try but there need to be some tweaking. They should open up the software and do like google did for andriod offer 10k for the best iphone progs.
I have been reading several topics on the forthcoming HD and it seems that most of us are very excited and anxious about the HD. Was wondering how many of us would actually dump the TP for the new HD...!!!
I personally don't see the point. The HD is basically a bigger diamond with Pro specs.
I seem to be one of the few who still prefer phones that actually fit in a pocket.
Now a Diamond with Pro specs (RAM, card slot, video out, etc) only missing the keyboard but thinner would be something to think about.
I'm very tempted to go for the Touch HD when (if!) it eventually gets released on T-Mob UK.
Fed up of waiting for them to get the Pro out of the door, plus now I'm running TF2D on my Hermes with the Diamond keyboard I'm not so sure I need a hw keyboard, especially with the bigger screen of the HD typing should be a breeze.
It's not so big as to not fit in a pocket, same size as an iPhone pretty much and noone complains about the size of that (not even Apple haters like me!). It'll be like going back to my old Blueangel! I think the thickness of the Pro makes it less pocketable than a bigger but thinner phone like the HD.
the reason i didnt get a diamond or iphone is because theres no keyboard... so no, im still on the raphael ship
Please note that the HD has no directional button. This will make it useless for games. Even with Diamond and Touch Pro, the limitation of buttons available make it difficult running games. Further more, I'm missing the camera and record button. It is quite troublesome using the TouchFlo 3D to get to the camera.
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Please note that the HD has no directional button. This will make it useless for games. Even with Diamond and Touch Pro, the limitation of buttons available make it difficult running games. Further more, I'm missing the camera and record button. It is quite troublesome using the TouchFlo 3D to get to the camera.
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directional buttons? make use of the accelerometer! i really wish WM has games like iphone
Hmm i'm thinking the same, i currently own a Pro but i'm thinking of selling it and get a HD later. But i'm not sure atm.
I don't know if i'm convinced about the iPhone/HD big, wide & flat format.
Plus the fact that I always have the impression that the larger the screen the more susceptible to damage that screen is. I would be scared witless to put something like a HD in my pocket!!
I really would have to play with one in a store and see how good the onscreen keyboard was before I could make an informed choice.
So far my TP is doing everything I need and is a big improvement over my old Artemis that served me well for 2 years. Would changing from a TP to a HD be an improvement??? Seeing the specs are similar what "improvement" would I be getting??? If the answer is only a "nice big screen" then why would I bother bearing in mind it would probably cost a couple of hundred pounds to 'upgrade'???
Never: it's way to big, it has no keyboard and no flash(light).
Well... talkin about the flash, I dont really think that the flash on touch pro is of any use either...
I just saw someone walking by that just might be prittier than my current girlfriend....
Because I'm spoiled (and Christmas is almost here), I'm going to get the HD and keep the TP. This way, I can alternate depending on which type of mood I'm in. Just like swapping my watches.
Geez...I love my wife!
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Please note that the HD has no directional button. This will make it useless for games. Even with Diamond and Touch Pro, the limitation of buttons available make it difficult running games. Further more, I'm missing the camera and record button. It is quite troublesome using the TouchFlo 3D to get to the camera.
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That means the iPhone is useless for games? I've even seen NES emulators on iPhones... Come on now.
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I don't know if i'm convinced about the iPhone/HD big, wide & flat format.
Plus the fact that I always have the impression that the larger the screen the more susceptible to damage that screen is. I would be scared witless to put something like a HD in my pocket!!
I really would have to play with one in a store and see how good the onscreen keyboard was before I could make an informed choice.
So far my TP is doing everything I need and is a big improvement over my old Artemis that served me well for 2 years. Would changing from a TP to a HD be an improvement??? Seeing the specs are similar what "improvement" would I be getting??? If the answer is only a "nice big screen" then why would I bother bearing in mind it would probably cost a couple of hundred pounds to 'upgrade'???
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5MP camera, 3.5mm headphone jack for starters.
The 5mp camera is not really a major thing to be to be honest, cause mobile cameras could never come even close to the quality of the actual point & shoot cameras, hence ppl who takes snaps with their phones can very well get away wit the 3.2mp for random moments capturing. But yes the audio jack is definately a good improvement on the HD, I always prefer to have a conventional audio connector...
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The 5mp camera is not really a major thing to be to be honest, cause mobile cameras could never come even close to the quality of the actual point & shoot cameras, hence ppl who takes snaps with their phones can very well get away wit the 3.2mp for random moments capturing...
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I totally agree the camera is just a gimmick really. If you want good quality pics to keep you'll take them with a conventional digital camera with an optical zoom. Phone cameras are only good for MMS messages and snapshots to be disposed of at a later date IMHO.
As for the audio connector... why spend 200 quid to update the phone when you can get a HTC mini USB to 3.5" audio adapter on-line for £5???? Doesn't make sense to me unless you have money to burn!
I thought about it too, but my main concern is battery life. Its not great on my TP, with that screen it will be terrible on the HD. I doubt you'll get through watching a full movie!
"That means the iPhone is useless for games? I've even seen NES emulators on iPhones... Come on now."
maybe he mean useless for all those current wm games where many require more hardware buttons then any htc phones got to control various functions like tombraider don't know of any htc phone which had enough buttons for that
I wouldn't replace my TP with HD because I think it's great having a keyboard on your phone for messaging, email, even writing blogs or modifying web pages when I'm not home.
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I thought about it too, but my main concern is battery life. Its not great on my TP, with that screen it will be terrible on the HD. I doubt you'll get through watching a full movie!
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Are you still running the stock ROM? Wouldnt hurt to explore a cooked flavour before you abandon it
I've been relatively happy with my HTC S710/Vox for over a year. The big problem I have with it is speed (CPU and lack of 3G) and lack of memory. Also, with the iPhone, I started missing having a touch screen as well.
So, the Touch Pro sounded like quite the solution to all my problems! More speed, more RAM, high-speed data, and a touch screen GUI that looks beautiful.
But when I finally got my hands on it at a local AT&T store, here were my feelings:
Heavier than my S710
Finger response was quirky
Not as responsive as I thought it would be
Thicker than expected
WinMo Pro/Touch is less intuitive than WinMo Standard/Smartphone
Orientation switch is slower than on my S710!
But it has everything I want hardware wise: high speed connections, GPS, a beautiful QWERTY keyboard, an FM radio, and TF3D.
I actually started looking at the Blackberry Bold and Samsung Epix after playing with the FUZE. All of them have their issues, but I did like the weight of the Bold, and I was surprised how useful the mouse control was on the Epix for one-handed operation! But the Epix is ugly, and the Bold is Blackberry.
So.... here's where I am:
I have been investing my mind in the Touch Pro for months now, and I want to want it. But right now, I feel a bit let down, and I feel like I'll regret spending the money on it because it'll end up being less usable and more bulky than my current S710!
Yes, I know the S740 is a great upgrade for the S710, but it's too $$$ and probably not even US 3G compatible. Also, it's probably too long and square. And there's no way for me to try it out w/o buying it.
The X1 could be an interesting option, but it's not subsidized by any carrier, and $800 is just too steep.
So, help me love the FUZE/Touch Pro again. Please. I don't know what my other options are!
Thanks,
Jon
Flash it with NATF's latest, and it improves a lot.
It's seriously an entirely new device after doing so.
Made me love it even more
Yea, I was VERY upset after I walked out of AT&T w/ my new Fuze. But after flashing ROMeOS and adding some CABs that I wanted, the device is completely different. Fast as hell, very stable, I consider it a very nice upgrade from my Tilt.
However, I really miss the tilt screen feature! I was able to hold that thing perfectly and type very fast but now I can't find a good grip on the Fuze.
I'm not sure if im just lucky, but when it comes to TF3D and screen orientation etc. It is perfect on my device. I get absolutely 0 lag in TF3D, when i change orientation it happens instantly, faster than on my iphone 3g. And my GPS worked 100% perfect with no lag out of the box without downloading telenav. Maybe im just lucky. :-X
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I'm not sure if im just lucky, but when it comes to TF3D and screen orientation etc. It is perfect on my device. I get absolutely 0 lag in TF3D, when i change orientation it happens instantly, faster than on my iphone 3g. And my GPS worked 100% perfect with no lag out of the box without downloading telenav. Maybe im just lucky. :-X
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So, how would you compare you FUZE to your iPhone? I'm torn between these as well. I just tried both out again... the iPhone's touch interface seems much more usable and rewarding. The FUZE's touch screen seems finicky.
JonDeutsch said:
So, how would you compare you FUZE to your iPhone? I'm torn between these as well. I just tried both out again... the iPhone's touch interface seems much more usable and rewarding. The FUZE's touch screen seems finicky.
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I've had an iPhone, Tilt and Fuze. Of the three, the Fuze is my favorite. The iPhone, like all Apple products, has a clean and easy interface but I didn't like how limited everything was (you can only run apple approved apps, no browser other than Safari, no tethering, etc.) Also, personally, I like TF3D better than the iPhone interface.
And since I use my phone outside a lot, being able to use the touchscreen with gloves on and/or use a stylus was important to me and you can't do that with an iPhone.
All told, it depends on your personal preference. If you like the iPhone interface that much more than TF3D and don't care about application and touchscreen limitiations, you'll probably be happier with the iPhone.
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I've had an iPhone, Tilt and Fuze. Of the three, the Fuze is my favorite. The iPhone, like all Apple products, has a clean and easy interface but I didn't like how limited everything was (you can only run apple approved apps, no browser other than Safari, no tethering, etc.) Also, personally, I like TF3D better than the iPhone interface.
And since I use my phone outside a lot, being able to use the touchscreen with gloves on and/or use a stylus was important to me and you can't do that with an iPhone.
All told, it depends on your personal preference. If you like the iPhone interface that much more than TF3D and don't care about application and touchscreen limitiations, you'll probably be happier with the iPhone.
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Thanks for the insights. It's great to hear that someone likes the FUZE better than the iPhone.
Here's why I haven't bought an iPhone so far:
I like to stream radio stations
I want an FM radio
I like keeping apps open when using other apps
I like the flexibility WM allows over my user experience
I don't like being locked into a carrier/plan
I want a real keyboard
So, like I said, I want to buy the FUZE, but I'm a bit concerned around how lacking it seems to be in the touch area. I felt like I couldn't easily navigate TF3D, and even Opera was hard to "touch" around. Just didn't feel natural. Maybe it's something I have to get used to?
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Thanks for the insights. It's great to hear that someone likes the FUZE better than the iPhone.
Here's why I haven't bought an iPhone so far:
I like to stream radio stations
I want an FM radio
I like keeping apps open when using other apps
I like the flexibility WM allows over my user experience
I don't like being locked into a carrier/plan
I want a real keyboard
So, like I said, I want to buy the FUZE, but I'm a bit concerned around how lacking it seems to be in the touch area. I felt like I couldn't easily navigate TF3D, and even Opera was hard to "touch" around. Just didn't feel natural. Maybe it's something I have to get used to?
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I adjusted the touch sensitivity in the registry a couple of times and after that the navigation seemed a lot easier.
JonDeutsch said:
Thanks for the insights. It's great to hear that someone likes the FUZE better than the iPhone.
Here's why I haven't bought an iPhone so far:
I like to stream radio stations
I want an FM radio
I like keeping apps open when using other apps
I like the flexibility WM allows over my user experience
I don't like being locked into a carrier/plan
I want a real keyboard
So, like I said, I want to buy the FUZE, but I'm a bit concerned around how lacking it seems to be in the touch area. I felt like I couldn't easily navigate TF3D, and even Opera was hard to "touch" around. Just didn't feel natural. Maybe it's something I have to get used to?
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Ok, I know you probably dont want to hear this but except for the keybord part, I think that the new Samsung Omnia is for you!
Why do I say that? I tell you why!
First of all I own a Touch pro and I am very happy with it after flashing a new rom and uppgrading the radio! However, the GPS lag is still there even if it is much less then when I first bought the phone!
Secound, video playback is just crap the video stutters and lags whole the time, so unless you dont mind waiting a few hours it takes to convert the video before putting it on your device then that is really an issue!
Third, the battery life sucks on the device! I have tried many different radios/roms but the battery still drains in less then one day! Yes, you could buy an extended battery, but that will add to the device thickness even more!
Now the only reason I am keeping my TP is in case someone comes upp with a solution to all the problems in the future, especialy the GPS lag!
Yesterday I bought the Omnia and now I am very happy!
First no more GPS lag, battery is still at 40% right now after 2 days of pretty heavy use, the video plays beautiful without any lag/stuttering what so ever, The camera is 5 MegaPixels that really shows it´s strenght!
You get 16 GB built in memory and you can add a mini sd to it as well!
The processor is clocked at 624 MHz and it is very fast, indeed the fastest device I had so far, and believe me when I tell you I have had plenty of them!
Granted that it has less Rom/Ram but it makes it up with the incredible speed, so I can bet you wont notice any difference at all!
The only drawbacks with this device I can think of is:
1. No hardware keybord (It is just like the Iphone, even the dimentions are almost exactly the same!)
2. The stylus ( You cant put it in the device, you have to hang it or put it somwhere else!)
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Thanks for the insights. It's great to hear that someone likes the FUZE better than the iPhone.
Here's why I haven't bought an iPhone so far:
I like to stream radio stations
I want an FM radio
I like keeping apps open when using other apps
I like the flexibility WM allows over my user experience
I don't like being locked into a carrier/plan
I want a real keyboard
So, like I said, I want to buy the FUZE, but I'm a bit concerned around how lacking it seems to be in the touch area. I felt like I couldn't easily navigate TF3D, and even Opera was hard to "touch" around. Just didn't feel natural. Maybe it's something I have to get used to?
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Don't forget Copy/Paste, MMS, Stereo BT... and many other features that are not on the iPhone or native to the iPhone... yes... I know there are "apps" that could fill in some of the gaps... but still
Just like with all new stuff, you'll have to get used to the 'touching' part on the Fuze. Also, there are apps out there that you can tweak your Fuze to get a better experience. Check out the tweaks thread.
What do you think?
There aren't much changes compare to the HTC Touch Pro... It's a real turn off for me. I don't even feel like I want to change phone.
- Different Design (I prefer the diamond back cover)
- The Tilt is back (YAY!).
- Bigger Screen, 3.6" instead of 2.8", and it's thinner
- It's Heavier than the HTC Touch Pro
- Processor "Qualcomm® MSM7200A™, 528 MHz" Instead of "Qualcomm® MSM7201A™, 528 MHz" (Same Speed thou)
- Memory and RAM are the same (Disappointed)
- Faster Download Speed, Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz (no America yet, but I'm sure they will come up with something)
- Camera is the same (so disappointed)
I was so eager to change phone from the Tilt to Touch Pro, but not to this phone... Except for the bigger Screen. The Good new is the phone seem to be cheap. So is it time to sell my Fuze yet?
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And additionnaly, there's no more D-PAD.
That's the same reason why I didn't go for the Touch HD.
I don't understand this "everything touch" trend.
I love the touchscreen, but I like being able to use the D-PAD for gaming, scrolling through list items and then "right clicking" an item, etc.
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And additionnaly, there's no more D-PAD.
That's the same reason why I didn't go for the Touch HD.
I don't understand this "everything touch" trend.
I love the touchscreen, but I like being able to use the D-PAD for gaming, scrolling through list items and then "right clicking" an item, etc.
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I hate not having a D-Pad. What if I don't want to smudge up my screen? A D-pad is a must-have for me.
I replaced an iPhone and a Tilt with a Touch Pro (Fuze) and I *really* miss the larger screen of the iPhone and the ability to tilt the screen. From everything I've read, I will be buying a TP2 as soon as it's available in the US for less than a fortune. Slingplayer will look fabulous on it, I'm sure.
The "everything touch" trend is real easy to understand. iPhone. Period. If it wasn't for Apple, I'd probably have gotten a new one instead of opting for a Fuze. But since Apple insists on treating iPhone users as if they're retarded, I moved on.
I love the bigger screen design but would miss the D-pad, love the tilt (but it is another thing to break) but i dont like the lack of new features (camera the same, same processor speed, same ram, same memory???) seems like they are tryin to pull a iPhone 3G on us... same phone minor improvements
How well do you suppose the camera will function? Do you think we will be able to learn anything from the Touch Pro 2 camera code/functionality that will help us improve the original Touch Pro camera?
pandaboyy said:
- Camera is the same (so disappointed)
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camera is not exactly the same as it wont have a flash, even more disappointing.
the tilting screen is a great thing, as i really miss the tilting screen of the tilt (kaiser)
Not worth it for me...
For me it's simple...
SAME camera (with no 30fps video)
+ SAME processor speed
+ SAME RAM
+ NO enhanced graphics
+ NO fixed GPS lag
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Waste of $$$
Even when and IF they come out with a US 3G model, my money will be staying in my wallet.
And it's stil on WM6.1, so disapointed.
I'm getting bore of my Fuze, I want to change to a new phone, but there isn't any good reason for me to do so... I'm so bored
For me, the return of the tilt screen and a large screen itself make it worth my money. The camera is nothing to me, I use a real camera anyway. What price marks are we seeing for this phone?
While I appreciate the bigger screen, I am not sure how responsive the device would be with higher resolution and same processor since we all know HTC doesn't believe in video acceleration / drivers in business phones.
TP2 is the reason my TP will live longer in my pocket, plus I am looking for other brands (AGAIN).
WHERE IS MY D-PAD!?
...and why limit it to 3.2MP when every other model has 5?
...and where is the flash!?
No thanks.
KevinACrider said:
For me, the return of the tilt screen and a large screen itself make it worth my money. The camera is nothing to me, I use a real camera anyway. What price marks are we seeing for this phone?
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I don't care much about camera either, but I care a lot about the speed. However, i agreed with you for the big screen...
Anyway, to answer your question about the price, this website is selling it for $750, which I think it's reasonable for a new phone. Check before you buy, I think it only works for Europe and Asia so far.
The bigger screen and the Tilt feature are big pluses for me, but the lack of D-pad is just weird. Also, I have a strong feeling that 2009 and 2010 will reveal alot of amazing devices from other manufacturers...plus HTC might release somethign else that is better. I currently have a Fuze and I think I will just wait. I want to see how WM7 pans out. I sold my iPhone for $400 and I'm saving the money for something that really deserves it. If I still had my Tilt, I would probably upgrade to the TP2, but from a Fuze to a TP2 doesn't make much sense to me.
Well...HTC lost me on this TP2. Not this time...
I honestly like the first Touch Pro more. I don't like the roundedness...I prefer sharp angles. It looks too fat lol.
I love the new Tilt design, it looks more tilted, but I personally prefer the diamond sharp on the back of my Fuze. And the USB slot look too UGLY, it's just coming out too much. I take back what I said about the Camera, I do use the camera on my device a lot lately, mostly because of the fast upload to Facebook.
Join this Facebook group guys...
Seeing the big screen on this youtube, really make me want it now
Gimme your advice about the D-PAD problem : what do you use instead of it, for example for gaming and so on ? I mean, if you want to control some game emulator, do you use on screen buttons ? As the current devices are not multitouch (I don't want to speak about some well known IwannabeaPHONE), i don't think these are suitable for proper gaming.
Maybe the simple answer is "I don't use my device for gaming...".
What do you think ?
"Some" emulator programs allow onscreen virtual Dpads... but without multitouch, you'll be unable to simultaneously press onscreen buttons.
All games are different though. Some are simply point and click games which don't require a dpad. Others work well without a Dpad.
Most games will flat out be impossible to use.
I came from the Samsung Epix with its Optical Dpad/Mouse... to the Fuze for the Dpad. I later found that the Dpad isn't really a Dpad... but a touchscreen with optical sensors (which is why the Dpad on the fuze sucks; but at least it is a functioning dpad).
I swore my next phone will have a physical dpad and a jog wheel.
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I swore my next phone will have a physical dpad and a jog wheel.
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I'm surprised how few WM devices have a jog wheel; my last one was a FSC Loox 720 and a jog wheel was one of its major positive points back then. It hardly seems like it would be an expensive or difficult control to add, but I guess it's not free and so there's something for HTC to gain by not including one.
I also prefer the diamond back of the Touch Pro, not that the Vario IV has it anyway though (not clear why they had to change that).
I'm a tilt user currently and looking to upgrade my phone with AT&T. Can someone give me the pros and cons of owning the Fuze? Is it as versatile as the Tilt? What about connectivity, ease of browsing, GPS etc. I like tinkering with my Tilt using Visual Studio.NET. Would I be able to keep doing that with the Fuze?
Any response would be appreciated.
ashoooo said:
I'm a tilt user currently and looking to upgrade my phone with AT&T. Can someone give me the pros and cons of owning the Fuze? Is it as versatile as the Tilt? What about connectivity, ease of browsing, GPS etc. I like tinkering with my Tilt using Visual Studio.NET. Would I be able to keep doing that with the Fuze?
Any response would be appreciated.
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My Tilit was replaced (by insurance) with a Fuze a couple moths ago - the Tilt had developed radio issues. I have been very happy with the Fuze. Other than the lack of hardware keys (which is fairly easy to get used to), my Fuze does everything that the Tilt did, and does most things better. The display is amazing, the flat face really makes it easy to use without a stylus (you can touch the corners of the screen easier). Once I switched to the radio in my sig, I haven't had any GPS issues, other than a SLIGHT lag as compared to my old Tilt. GPS fixes (aGPS) usually take less than 10 seconds, and are just as accurate as they were on the Tilt.
All things considered, I am very happy with my Fuze. Given the choice between a Fuze or a Tilt, after having used both, I would definitely choose the Fuze.
I loved my Tilt. It was one of the "Top 25 most innovative electronic devices in 2008". Got my Fuze the day it came out, and gave my Tilt to my GF almost immediately. lol
Does everything my Tilt did (except tilt of course) but WAY better. GPS lock is a little slower, and the battery doesn't last as long, but you will not be disappointed.
I own the Fuze
Pros:
BEAUTIFUL VGA screen
VGA screen = better web browsing
Good enough battery life to last a full day comfortably and charging at night
LED Flashlight + hTorthc = powerful flashlight (BIG PRO to me)
Much more stylish and attraticve
Cons:
No Control Key
No Control Key
No Control Key (Did i mention that already)
No TAB key (Who the hell needs a caps lock button???)
No scroll wheel like the tilt (uses capacitve touch that doesn't work with all programs by default)
lack of hardware buttons (new leaked AT&T rom allows you to change the PTT buton)
No 2nd camera
All in All, very pleased with the phone, The battery life is really satisfactory for me - i get a full day of above average use out of the phone, never feel like the battery is too weak for the phone.
I LOVE the accelerometer, gives the phone a Lot more functionality (programs and games)
But AT&T REALLY pissed me off about the keyboard. Instead of control+v or control+c etc shortcuts, they give you an "ok" button! Seriously, and what about the tab key, they replace it with a "caps" key.
Those flaws are enough to make me consider buying a damn unlocked Touch Pro and enjoying it.
I love this phone though, I have to say, this is the first phone that has everything i need and more. I plan on using this phone for years and simply updating the OS every once in a while. (though right now stilling with AT&T firmware until i get everything ironed out like preferred applications and such
The phone has its issues, but most of them are related to windows mobile ha ha.
The biggest asset of this phone over other phones is the VGA scree. This is a blessing and a curse because of the compatibility with older programs. But in reality, the graphics are simply stunning and crystal clear.
If you do buy the phone, make sure to update to the latest leaked rom from AT&T - it will fix some performance issues, and GPS issues. I also noticed the camera speed is quite improved
Cassetti said:
Pros:
BEAUTIFUL VGA screen
VGA screen = better web browsing
Good enough battery life to last a full day comfortably and charging at night
LED Flashlight + hTorthc = powerful flashlight (BIG PRO to me)
Much more stylish and attraticve
Cons:
No Control Key
No Control Key
No Control Key (Did i mention that already)
No TAB key (Who the hell needs a caps lock button???)
No scroll wheel like the tilt (uses capacitve touch that doesn't work with all programs by default)
lack of hardware buttons (new leaked AT&T rom allows you to change the PTT buton)
No 2nd camera
All in All, very pleased with the phone, The battery life is really satisfactory for me - i get a full day of above average use out of the phone, never feel like the battery is too weak for the phone.
I LOVE the accelerometer, gives the phone a Lot more functionality (programs and games)
But AT&T REALLY pissed me off about the keyboard. Instead of control+v or control+c etc shortcuts, they give you an "ok" button! Seriously, and what about the tab key, they replace it with a "caps" key.
Those flaws are enough to make me consider buying a damn unlocked Touch Pro and enjoying it.
I love this phone though, I have to say, this is the first phone that has everything i need and more. I plan on using this phone for years and simply updating the OS every once in a while. (though right now stilling with AT&T firmware until i get everything ironed out like preferred applications and such
The phone has its issues, but most of them are related to windows mobile ha ha.
The biggest asset of this phone over other phones is the VGA scree. This is a blessing and a curse because of the compatibility with older programs. But in reality, the graphics are simply stunning and crystal clear.
If you do buy the phone, make sure to update to the latest leaked rom from AT&T - it will fix some performance issues, and GPS issues. I also noticed the camera speed is quite improved
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I agree with a lot of this post... Had a tilt for a little over 2 years, and loved it, had a 8125 and an 8525 before those... Missing the hardware keys took some getting used to, but since then, I'm doing great. Bought an international touch pro, and ended up swapping it for a fuze to get the HSDPA speed back... I plan on swapping the keyboard to get rid of the annoying one that AT&T replaced it with, but other then that I think most Tilt users would enjoy the upgrade...
GreenLantern said:
I agree with a lot of this post... Had a tilt for a little over 2 years, and loved it, had a 8125 and an 8525 before those... Missing the hardware keys took some getting used to, but since then, I'm doing great. Bought an international touch pro, and ended up swapping it for a fuze to get the HSDPA speed back... I plan on swapping the keyboard to get rid of the annoying one that AT&T replaced it with, but other then that I think most Tilt users would enjoy the upgrade...
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how hard was it swapping out the keyboard?
Have to agree on the Fuze keyboard: someone was smoking a LOT of crack that day. The lack of a proper D-pad is annoying, and stuffing VGA into the same 2.8" of screen space keeps that resolution from being nearly as useful as it might have been, but the picture is outstanding. Battery life will be a surprise for you as a tilt user and as much as you think you won't miss the tilting screen, you will. Also, the keys on the Fuze keyboard are smaller than the Tilt, so that takes some adjustment.
I have both a Fuze and a Tilt: the Fuze is the better overall device, but the Tilt is the best "bang for your buck" that can be had.
Reefermattness said:
I loved my Tilt. It was one of the "Top 25 most innovative electronic devices in 2008". Got my Fuze the day it came out, and gave my Tilt to my GF almost immediately. lol
Does everything my Tilt did (except tilt of course) but WAY better. GPS lock is a little slower, and the battery doesn't last as long, but you will not be disappointed.
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lol...ditto!
got my fuze in feb., with the tilt i flashed almost as soon as i got it. Im still holding out with the fuze. I like it that much. The slight lag, also found on the tilt is remedied for me by one soft reset a day. I also geocache with both phones (wifey now has the tilt), and gps is a little slower on fuze to appear (10sec) but after that it works great. I think ive missed the tilt feature exactly once with sunlight in the car shining on the screen. But the flat flush screen is SO MUCH better youll look at your tilt like a dinosaur one week after you get your fuze.
gl
Thanks for your replies guys. Very much appreciated. Seems like I might end up buying this device afterall.
Yeah you should. I find it to be superior to the Tilt in almost every way, minus the lack of a few buttons and the slight GPS lag. It has a great screen and let me make this very clear...much better than the Tilt. I had a Tilt and upgraded to the Fuze...I actually went "Wow..." when I saw the screen. The flat surface makes it infinitely easier to work the touch screen with your fingers instead of having to use buttons. I'd pick one up.