I have had a Hermes / Vario 2 on Tmobile for a few years, and moved to a touch pro in the last month.
Prevously I used to see a G symbol and a 3G symbol about 60% and 40% of the time respectively. I had spoken to TM and my account was HSDPA enabled even back then.
Now I see a G or an H about 80%/20%. I am on W&W and have been assured that HSDPA is enabled. I never see 3G.
Incidentally, i get about 30 kbits/s on G and 380 on H.
Has 3G been completely superseeded by H even though the coverage seems not to be as good?
Yes. Simple answer.
HSDPA cooks 3G.
Clue:
Wikipidia: HSDPA or UMTS
T-Mobile UK's 3G network is now 100% HSDPA. so yeah, you shouldn't see the 3G symbol unless you are on a call, and every other time, it should be the H.
rhedgehog said:
T-Mobile UK's 3G network is now 100% HSDPA. so yeah, you shouldn't see the 3G symbol unless you are on a call, and every other time, it should be the H.
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With the raph if you have HSUPA (upstream) enabled then the network will always be in HSPA mode. It should switch back and forth between 3G and H only if you are only using HSDPA (downstream) since the raph would behave just as the hermes would when using the data connection.
Not entirely sure on that, cos i don't have HSUPA enabled and i only ever see the 3G icon when i am downloading and on a call, so that both can continue.
My Athena worked in exactly the same way. H all the time while in 3G coverage, but dropped down to 3G when downloading and on a call so that both could continue.
Of course, I'm no network engineer so i could be wrong with the technical bits, but this is certainly how i have experienced T-Mobile wherever i have been down here on the south coast.
And t-mobile certainly did say a while ago that they were updating their entire 3G network to HSDPA back in late 2006/early 2007!!
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I recently purchased an HTC Touch Cruise from phonesource-USA without doing my homework. (What can I say, I was overwhelmed by the coolness of the phone). Before this phone, I was using an Excalibur and a Titan from HTC. I think I already know the answer to this question, but wanted to ask the home experts out there.
I absolutely love this phone, but am I screwed on 3G when T-Mobile releases it this year?
P.S. I'm located in the U.S.
wagz said:
I recently purchased an HTC Touch Cruise from phonesource-USA without doing my homework. (What can I say, I was overwhelmed by the coolness of the phone). Before this phone, I was using an Excalibur and a Titan from HTC. I think I already know the answer to this question, but wanted to ask the home experts out there.
I absolutely love this phone, but am I screwed on 3G when T-Mobile releases it this year?
P.S. I'm located in the U.S.
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T-Mobile USA Will use 1700mHz band for 3G and according to some sources it will use 2100mHz to. Witch T-Mobile say it will not have full experience of there 3G. But it will work.
And i think it will be possible to use Radio from Sony X1 witch have same Chip sets and everything except screen.
AT&T 3G
I think I may be in the same boat. I did read up on the phone before I bought it to work on At&t's 3G network. Even thought the phone operates on 1900mghz I have not been able to get it working. It always is on the Edge network.
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I think I may be in the same boat. I did read up on the phone before I bought it to work on At&t's 3G network. Even thought the phone operates on 1900mghz I have not been able to get it working. It always is on the Edge network.
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are you saying you have not been able to get the phone to work on att's 3G network? i've read on howard forums where other owners are seeing the "H" and "3G", suggesting that others have been able to connect...
3G
That's exactly what I am saying. I have had it configured to the correct frequency for AT&T's 3G since I turned it on. The very first time I put it on 1900 MGHZ I did see a H and then a G, but I'm sure the G was for GSM.
sultanofsumar said:
That's exactly what I am saying. I have had it configured to the correct frequency for AT&T's 3G since I turned it on. The very first time I put it on 1900 MGHZ I did see a H and then a G, but I'm sure the G was for GSM.
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When you say "configured to the correct frequency for att's 3G", did you manually set the Band to 1900 mHz? or do you have it set to Automatic? for all my HTC devices that support 3G, i set the Band to Automatic and it will pick up and use the att 3G/H band automatically. i only see the "H" when i'm tethered to my laptop or downloading a 1 meg + file.
att 3g
I did it manually. I figured it wouldn't work on auto. I will try the auto detect and see what happens.
3g is up
Well it says G right now, but not 3G. I know I have crappy reception here so maybe it will change. Thanks though.
yep... having good HSDPA/UMTS coverage is a must to access the network. if it says "G", you're using GPRS, "E", you're using Edge, "3G", you're using UMTS, "H" you're using HSDPA. you might check att's website to see if you have high-speed coverage in your location. every HTC 3G capable device (e.g., supports Triband HSDPA) that i've purchased has always connected to att's network with the "Auto" Band setting...
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T-Mobile USA Will use 1700mHz band for 3G and according to some sources it will use 2100mHz to. Witch T-Mobile say it will not have full experience of there 3G. But it will work.
And i think it will be possible to use Radio from Sony X1 witch have same Chip sets and everything except screen.
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Ah this sucks. Why can't America just use the same frequencies as the rest of the world. I don't want to have to purchase another expensive phone right after purchasing this one. Looks like a Sony X1 will eventually be in my future
Thanks for the reply.
3G???
I had it on auto all day, but no little 3G icon. I know there is coverage, becuase my TYTN and even my blackjack picked it up right away. I guess I'll just keep looking..........
AT&T 3G
I am usually indicating 3G or H. I have it set to auto and it semms to be working fine for me.
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I am usually indicating 3G or H. I have it set to auto and it semms to be working fine for me.
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I too have found you need to leave the phone set to Auto. A soft reset after you change it from manual selection to auto gets me the 3G back immediately on boot up.
ATT 3G
I have ATT 3G & H in some areas when I travel but my home area does not have 3G coverage only EDGE at the moment. It depends on ATT's coverage whether you will get 3G or H. The phone is fully capable to work with ATT.
got my Orbit 2 today, and HSDPA & UMTS are working fine (in dallas)...
using a polaris with at&t in buffalo, ny. 3g and HSPDA work fine in most areas. sometimes if i go deep within a building it will swtich to edge which is normal.
3G!
cortezzi said:
When you say "configured to the correct frequency for att's 3G", did you manually set the Band to 1900 mHz? or do you have it set to Automatic? for all my HTC devices that support 3G, i set the Band to Automatic and it will pick up and use the att 3G/H band automatically. i only see the "H" when i'm tethered to my laptop or downloading a 1 meg + file.
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Well now that I put everything on auto and soft reset I am gettin 3G and H UMPTS all over the place. Thanks!
...and nobody at AT&T can tell me why. In fact, when I showed them the phone with the H and 3 bars at the Device Service Center, they claimed they'd never seen such a thing.
The backstory is this: I've had good service at my home for a dozen years. I've always gotten solid E reception. About a month ago, 3G reception started to creep into the picture, although at a very low signal strength. It bounced between E and 3G every few moments and I started getting lots of dropped calls, no dialing, missed calls, etc. where that never happened before. I did some research here at xda and decided to drop Airplane Mode from my settings and add a 3G on-off switch using Advanced Config. After some futzing around, that worked pretty good but now whenever I try to switch to 3G, I get HSDPA. Go figure? Not that I'm complaining, because it's pretty darn fast.
But what the heck...only one Device Service Center in a city this size (San Antonio) and they've never seen a phone showing HSDPA? None of this really means anything, I'm just looking for explanations/comments.
pretty simple man...
3G = HSDPA
kevindena said:
pretty simple man...
3G = HSDPA
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Then why do my bars read H, not 3G? Actually, based on some online research, HSDPA appears to be a superset of 3G...a.k.a. 3.5G. At any rate, the "tech wizards" at the DSC had never heard of it.
I've got a Touch Pro running on T-Mobile network. Their 3G seems to be a different
frequency than the TP can receive. If I turned on HSDPA and then wander into an AT&T 3G zone and my TP picks up their 3G network, will it overpower my T-Mobile Edge and put me into roaming?
The H is the same as 3G like the other guy had said. Plus if you went into Advance Config. to change the setting then that will replace the 3g with the H. Which is not a big deal. All the phones in Europe use the H symbol in the US we get that damn 3G. Personally I like the H ova the 3G. H=High speed
So really and truly you have nothing to worry about. Should be happy you have the H showing up than the 3G to me H is a lil faster on some phones!!!!!!
att hides their hspa icon under the 3g icon. so you never know the difference between hspa 3.5g or umts 3g. if you flashed a new rom, updated your phone canvas, changed some icons, enabled it, or who knows, chances are you are back to the standard way the rest of the world has it, with the h icon.
I flashed Axura RC 2.5 between Christmas and New Years. Everything seems to be good with the exception of me not being able to pick up 3g coverage in places where I normally would. I have had an H, 90% of the time and its nowhere near as fast as 3g. Should I try a different modem before finding a different ROM?
No h is faster. Can't remember what it stands for but its basically 3.5g more then likely your mind isjust making it seem slower bc you are paying more attention to the speeds. Most of the roms our there don't use 3g they use hsda our whatever it is called
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H = HSDPA
AT&T 3G = HSDPA.
It's not faster nor slower. The same thing. AT&T insist on only display 3G on all its phones when you run AT&T stock firmware.
And if you flashed a Euro ROM you may lose 850Mhz 3G support (ask the chief for confirmation of 850 support). AT&T now shifts a lot of 3G towers towards 850Mhz, instead of the old 1900Mhz.
Technically, 3G on GSM world could mean plain UMTS, HSDPA, HSPA+ etc. In the old days, AT&T has a mixture of UMTS and HSDPA depending on which city you were in. Hence the requirement from AT&T to display 3G for all 3G signal types. Nowadays, all its 3G towers has been updated to HSPA+ but Captivate hardware is limited to HSDPA only.
Doesn't ATT still have UMTS? My Perception 10 shows H = HSDPA and 3g = UMTS
yes?
UMTS is what HSDPA built on. AT&T no longer has plain old UMTS. According to its CES 2011 press release, AT&T has finished upgrade 100% of its 3G towers to HSPA+.
Now what about mobile ap, I can connect to my laptop but with limited or no connectivity with full H service? Would that be an issue with the rom? They closed the Axura thread so I cant get all my question answered.
You're right
H = HSPA (HSDPA + HSUPA)
3G = HSDPA
So I know all the issues with older 2g sims affecting speeds, I called tmobile, and they said that I was in fact registered with a 2g sim, so I had them activate the sim that came in the box, but I have no improvement in speed. I'm still getting nowhere above 2mbps, most of the time around 1. I know I have a 4g data plan, they added that when I got the phone for immediate activation, not next billing cycle. Even in areas where my old mytouch 3G slide got 4 mbps on the 3G HSPA network, I can't get much above 2 on the HSPA+ network. What gives? If the new 4g sim and data plan aren't working, what's the issue here? Anyone else having issues?
Are you sure that you're connected to HSPA+? And, even if you are connected with good reception to a HSPA+ tower, that doesn't mean that the tower has good bandwidth backhaul. If its a low traffic tower, T-Mobile might not want to pay for a large amount of bandwidth for it.
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I suppose I can't be positive, but the icon says 4G. Although I've never seen a 3G icon, only G, 2G, and 4G, meaning they probably just replaced the 3G icon with the 4G icon since the phone can't technically display a different icon for HSPA and HSPA+, can it? I've never seen a 3G icon so I might just be connected to 3G. But even in populous areas, like downtown, at night, I top out at 4, MAYBE 5 mbps. I've heard people getting 4 or 5 on a bad day, 7-8 average and 10-12 if they're lucky. I'm wondering where that's at, maybe it's a flaw in the stock rom and an AOSP or other custom rom would be better. I seem to remember having bad speeds on sense on my Slide too.
During data transfer, I went to the about phone>network menu, and mobile network type reads HSDPA and then reverts to UMTS after a period of inactivity. It does not specify HSDPA+ though, it just says HSDPA. I understand that the 3g and 4g networks on tmobile are technically one and the same, HSDPA+ is just an advancement of the 3G technology, but I'm wondering if something just isn't clicking and the phone isn't taking advantage of HSDPA+. I checked the coverage map, and the entire region I live in, minus a few rural areas, are supposed to be covered by 4G data.
I got a Jiayu G3 knowing it would be a gamble concerning whether or not it supported 3G on the AT&T network, which operates 3G on 850mhz and 1900mhz.
Naturally, I lost the gamble and was stuck with EDGE, or so I thought. I was driving around today, just 1-2 miles away from my home when I looked down at my phone and noticed the H over my cell signal. I ran a speed test and sure enough it confirmed HSPA due to the 4mb down and 1mb up speed. I even go to network provider search menu and it shows both AT&T 2G and 3G selections. Then as I went back home I noticed it was back to EDGE again. Now I have an old Samsung dumb phone that shows what band you are on in a developer menu, and I confirmed both 850mhz and 1900mhz bands have decent signals in my house, yet my Jiayu can't connect to it.
Can anyone help, this has really confused me.....
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I got a Jiayu G3 knowing it would be a gamble concerning whether or not it supported 3G on the AT&T network, which operates 3G on 850mhz and 1900mhz.
Naturally, I lost the gamble and was stuck with EDGE, or so I thought. I was driving around today, just 1-2 miles away from my home when I looked down at my phone and noticed the H over my cell signal. I ran a speed test and sure enough it confirmed HSPA due to the 4mb down and 1mb up speed. I even go to network provider search menu and it shows both AT&T 2G and 3G selections. Then as I went back home I noticed it was back to EDGE again. Now I have an old Samsung dumb phone that shows what band you are on in a developer menu, and I confirmed both 850mhz and 1900mhz bands have decent signals in my house, yet my Jiayu can't connect to it.
Can anyone help, this has really confused me.....
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it use 2100Mhz only for 3G.
typical for china mobile phone...
use google chrome
open this http://www.ejiayu.com/Product-8.html
haybat said:
it use 2100Mhz only for 3G.
typical for china mobile phone...
use google chrome
open this http://www.ejiayu.com/Product-8.html
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I think you missed the part that I actually get 3G in some areas, and it's definitely not on 2100MHz. It's 850 or 1900MHz.