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New toshiba g900 successors!!

http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/16/toshibas-portege-g910-g920-go-fcc-followup-to-the-g900-super/
What do you guys think?!
Cheers,
San

This just shows how advanced HTC is compared to the rest of the crowd.
I think that the HTC Universal was a much better offering and imagine it is already over 2 years old. Don't see this Toshiba giving anything more than what the universal did except for a GPS.
The small LCD on the outside cover is good as you many not be needing to open the flip to see the caller ID, something we missed on the universal. However I do not see any call accept / reject buttons on the outside. Would this mean that one will have to open the lid to accept or reject a call. If this is so then this would be a great usability issue.

srmz said:
This just shows how advanced HTC is compared to the rest of the crowd.
I think that the HTC Universal was a much better offering and imagine it is already over 2 years old. Don't see this Toshiba giving anything more than what the universal did except for a GPS.
The small LCD on the outside cover is good as you many not be needing to open the flip to see the caller ID, something we missed on the universal. However I do not see any call accept / reject buttons on the outside. Would this mean that one will have to open the lid to accept or reject a call. If this is so then this would be a great usability issue.
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Yes, Universal was great - and still is. There isn't anything real from HTC that would be significantly better than the Universal. (The x7500 is a brick and uses outdated technology - PXA-270...; the Kaiser isn't even VGA and is pretty heavy)
All in all, I REALLY hope the new Toshi models will be SIGNIFICANTLY better than the G900.

Looks like it doesnt have a "flip & twist" option! So has to be used always in clamshell mode? Not too bad because i hardly switch my uni to portrait mode...but it sure is nice to have....
:-/
Argh, looks like the universal is sooo perfect, its hard to find another device like this until HTC decide to make a successor for it
Stupid HTC is busy with Google, and all the other commercial successes like the Touch....they hardly care about all us fanboys out here....they're going for the $$$ and tossing our loyalty down the crap hole :-/
San

My b Toshiba hear this and makes it perfect

dreamtheater39 said:
Looks like it doesnt have a "flip & twist" option! So has to be used always in clamshell mode? Not too bad because i hardly switch my uni to portrait mode...but it sure is nice to have....
:-/
Argh, looks like the universal is sooo perfect, its hard to find another device like this until HTC decide to make a successor for it
Stupid HTC is busy with Google, and all the other commercial successes like the Touch....they hardly care about all us fanboys out here....they're going for the $$$ and tossing our loyalty down the crap hole :-/
San
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Exactly my sentinents. HTC seems to slow down with innovation. No matter - I'll play with my Nokia N95 - it's way better than any WinMo device out there, multimedia & gaming-wise. (Not taking the Dell Axim x51v into account, as far as gaming and 3D is concerned.)

dreamtheater39 said:
Looks like it doesnt have a "flip & twist" option! So has to be used always in clamshell mode? Not too bad because i hardly switch my uni to portrait mode...but it sure is nice to have....
:-/
Argh, looks like the universal is sooo perfect, its hard to find another device like this until HTC decide to make a successor for it
Stupid HTC is busy with Google, and all the other commercial successes like the Touch....they hardly care about all us fanboys out here....they're going for the $$$ and tossing our loyalty down the crap hole :-/
San
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i hear ya about a worthy successor to our Uni's.
i'be been on the lookout for an upgrade for years nows (has it reallyonly been 2 years?), and i'm considering this toshi IF i can't get my hands on something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdMww-LFPik

p3ngwin said:
i hear ya about a worthy successor to our Uni's.
i'be been on the lookout for an upgrade for years nows (has it reallyonly been 2 years?), and i'm considering this toshi IF i can't get my hands on something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdMww-LFPik
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BTW, IMHO, today is the best Universal successor is a HP iPAQ 214 + Nokia N82 / N95 combo

Actually, it does have end/send buttons.
http://www.theunwired.net/media/news/toshiba_portege_g910_half_open2.jpg

Menneisyys said:
BTW, IMHO, today is the best Universal successor is a HP iPAQ 214 + Nokia N82 / N95 combo
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lol well there are plenty of "bits" of devices that would make up a nice successor. i would rather focus on devices that are ACTUALLY going to be released.]that's why the Toshiba, and Qualcomm's "snapdragon" platforms interest me.
it seams the "OMNI" is vapourware and we'd be waiting years for it to be real, although i invite HTC to suprise us all with a suprise release of the fabled device.
i want:
1)a large screen ,preferably make whole front the screen like iphone and "snapdragon prototype", minimum 3.5" size
2)with MINIMUM VGA res
3)full keyboard, that means WITH numbers, what's this no numbers bull****?
oh, and stop with useless key shortcuts like "OK"-"windows key"-"video call"-"I.E."...etc. they are a waste of keyboard space for apps hat can have ON SCREEN SHORTCUTS! no need for hardware buttons.
since when are these apps more important than numbers?
(can you imagine if your desktop PC keyboard had precious little space on the keyboard and the maker decided to omit numbers and make shortcut keys for these kind of apps instead?)
4)GPS
5) 128megs ram, minimum.
6)between 3 and 5 megapixel camera:
(anything else is wasted and doesn't get better picture quality unless the optics are equally good.so make it 3-5 MP and then invest the rest into the optics and CMOS sensor quality)
7)a decent chip/chipset driving the device.
so that it is responsive in desktop apps like today screen, tom tom, web browsing, also acceleration for java, jpeg, camera, etc...all the things HTC promised with Qualcomm msm7X00 chipset.
the O2 XDA Flame has Nvidia GoForce5500 chip and doesn't use it either except for camera stills, not even the video recording/playing uses it let alone accelerating the rest of the device in any way.
my friend has the Flame and my Uni records/plays better movies!
that's it because

Touch Diamond

Oh my, that makes me want to do a sex wee!
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=46296

I hope we can find something useful in it for our devices.... i realy don't want to buy a new device...

Yes, on the face of it, it seems quite soon after the TC was launched but then I suppose this might take a good few months to turn up in the shops. I presume the VGA screen will mean a lot of the UI widgets won't be usable on the TC, sadly.
Lots more info/video here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/HTC

Unless someone makes them work, but I seriously doubt that HTC will stick to the VGA line...

Yeah I don't want to have to buy another device either. It does suck that it's so soon after the Cruise was released. No microSD memory slot right? I haven't see it mentioned anywhere. 4GB internal memory might be faster but is way too limited.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=389935
here they say microSD but then they also say EGPS where the htc site only say AGPS
so who is to know for sure yet...
being that it's vga it could also mean that if it have a working driver it's hardcoded to the vga res :S

Rudegar said:
being that it's vga it could also mean that if it have a working driver it's hardcoded to the vga res :S
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We'll see about that... but until this community gets it's hands on the ROM, we'll see what has Android to offer

Watch this video and submit your comments as to the fluidity of the OS.
Typical of HTC, init?
http://techdigest.tv/2008/05/shiny_video_rev_169.html

When she was actually demoing it, there seemed to be a certain lag when she scrolled whith her finger... Could it be that the diamond also suffers from the "TouchScreen Bug"?

According to Engaget it seems that Diamond has Video acceleration. If it's already implemented by that device, surely it will be available for Touch Cruise soon

chipset is not the same!
ovidiaconescu said:
According to Engaget it seems that Diamond has Video acceleration. If it's already implemented by that device, surely it will be available for Touch Cruise soon
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While I do admire their efforts on the Diamond, I feel that the HTC product development process is just way to rushed. In the end they end up coming out with half assed devices. It seems like they make a new model every 2 months these days e.g. Touch, Touch Dual, Touch Cruise, P3470, Sedena, etc. So its no wonder they can't get any one model right.
They really need to take some notes of what Apple has been doing with the iPhone. New products have had more storage space, and they've been focusing on software updates for their current users. This way prospective buyers are happy and current owners are kept happy. HTC on the other hand delivers maybe one update to a device full of bugs its entire product lifetime in the form of an AKU. That's quite pathetic customer service esp. for devices that are nowhere near perfect from the get go.
I would buy a Diamond, or a WM7 phone, but HTC needs to start doing a better job respecting its current customers - seriously, the Kaiser ppl have been waiting practically a year now for some sort of update, and we Polaris ppl have been waiting nearly 6months. Until HTC does something about product support, my Touch Cruise and my HTC loyalty will hold me over just until the next generation iPhone comes along and the Apple SDK/Apple store has apps coming along.

I agree, they are releasing devices way too fast. They really should invest time in releasing a device that has quality design with well thought out hardware, something that can last for awhile and then release software updates to it. The iPhone comparisons though are not very accurate, since apple designed the hardware and the software and ATT has nothing to do with it (mostly). (as opposed to att needing to come out with their own ROMs for the tilt). But I see your point, where is the official WM6.1 release for example for HTC branded devices? End of March promised for some fix, it's now May and nothing, only an announcement for a new phone. Shame...

I really hate to admit it, but Apple does a good job whith their device/update probram, hell even M$ comes out with updates on a regular basis for its OS...
HTC should learn something from them... the sleek design, and user friendly interface may win the looks prize, but nothing else if it's unuseable and the support sucks...
Some people have more qualifications for PDAs then most of the personel at HTC from simple tech support, to development... and this is an open community (maybe that's why HTC tech support sucks, because we're here to sort out their mess)

Diamond pro:
WM 6.1
VGA
Diamond con:
battery capacity
no memory card slot
discutable GPS (real GPS or AGPS)
Just my opinnion, of course...

Diamond announced at O2 Germany
as I have just found out, O2 has already announced the HTC Diamond at their Online shop. At another site I found the rumor, that it will be available in June... we'll see.
http://shop2.o2online.de/nw/produkt...lesChannel=SHOP&articleId=617&categoryId=1120

Bodisson said:
Diamond pro:
WM 6.1
VGA
Diamond con:
battery capacity
no memory card slot
discutable GPS (real GPS or AGPS)
Just my opinnion, of course...
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An the biggest con only 528 Mhz for VGA.
This thing will be slow as hell.
Just look at the E-Ten GloFiish Series with a 500 Mhz cpu.
TDO

TDO said:
An the biggest con only 528 Mhz for VGA.
This thing will be slow as hell.
Just look at the E-Ten GloFiish Series with a 500 Mhz cpu.
TDO
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Ah but it makes full use of the graphics chip to handle that kind of thing.

RE
actually i think this device is pretty cool. since my tytnII ended up in the washmachine i really doubting of buying this device or another tytnII from the insuarrance money...
pros tytn:
-keyboard
-i have 2 accus by then, 2 chargers etc etc...
-memory card slot (though i got 4 gb and it seems enough)
pros diamond:
-size!!! what a beatifull size at all, lighter and thinner then a n95, iphone etc.
-vga screen
-improved chipset and 192mb ram
I just wait till the first real reviews come out and then i decide!

andyturner said:
Ah but it makes full use of the graphics chip to handle that kind of thing.
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It has drivers which use the videocontroller.
But this driver can only accelerate the "drawing" of the graphics and there only specific functions.
The main-cpu has still to handle 4 times the data in comparison to a qvga device.
TDO

*NEW PHONES* HTC Diamond 2 & Touch Pro 2 **PICTURES**

WOW BREAKING NEWS
Touch Pro 2 News From engadget.com (http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/htc-touch-pro2-is-awesome-in-ways-the-touch-pro-never-could-be/)
So, how do you make HTC's Touch Pro -- already near the top of the WInMo heap -- an even beefier device? For starters, you can throw out that nasty VGA screen of yesteryear and up it with a 3.6-inch 800 x 400 replacement. Next, add a dedicated touch-sensitive zoom slider that works overtime to take maximum advantage of said screen, then throw in a few key carryovers: 512MB of ROM, 288MB of RAM, microSD expansion, and a 3.2 megapixel cam. Meet the Touch Pro2, the official follow-up to HTC's popular series of QWERTY sliders that introduces so-called "Straight Talk" technology for "seamlessly" transitioning conversations between email, single-line calls, and party calls. It'll also automatically switch to the crazy high-performance, full-duplex speakerphone simply by flipping the phone over, so it's clear that this bad boy was meant for business. It'll launch early in the second quarter in parts of Asia and Europe with other "major global markets" following in early Summer.
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DETAILED INFORMATION HERE: http://www.htc.com/www/press.aspx?id=83956

I just wish it had tv-out or I'd get it (or the diamond2) I guess I'm the one who uses that feature a lot on my omnia.
Edit: My bad... It DOES have tv-out))

awesome..
now i know why peoples selling their phones
Support HTC

The TouchPro 2 seems more like the Tytn II replacement to me,
I LIKE.​

The touch pro is more business oriented. . . so it probably wont have alot of media features were hoping it has .

A dump promise
Hopefully, someone will soon get their hands on these units to dump the ROMs and port them to Touch Diamond and Touch Diamond Pro.

1-very nice but the lack of d-pad and other buttons is annoying as hell.
2-lets hope the fix the very very poor performance of the diamond this time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZHYimU-VHM&feature=related
3-also software,themes,apps development forums will be too segmented. diamond ,diamont2,tpro,tpro2, blackstone,x1 are all very similar phones(internally). is there a clean and logical way to combine them.
4-whats the code names of these two devices

very nice. Shame they wont work for more than about 3 minutes before something falls off/a random onboard chip of some random nature starts to malfunction.
HTC, design phones then get someone decent to manufacture them.... you cant manufature for toffe.

"...something falls off". Please explain. I've had the Diamond for 2/3 of a year now and nothing has "fallen off"....
In my opinion, the build quality of HTC products is impeccable.
Monty Burns said:
very nice. Shame they wont work for more than about 3 minutes before something falls off/a random onboard chip of some random nature starts to malfunction.
HTC, design phones then get someone decent to manufacture them.... you cant manufature for toffe.
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My experience of HTC hardware is far from good. BlueAngel (dead speaker), two TyTN's, one TyTN II and now a TD - all and i mean ALL of them have had at least one warranty repair or replacement. Actually , thats a lie: TD was sent back for a full refund under UK consumer law as "Not Fit For Purpose" as at the time there was no way to play music without the famous skipping/pause issue.
Just fire up google and use terms like "HTC" "hardware" "fault" "Issue" and so on .... you'll soon see what a timebomb of a device you have.
My Toshiba G900 and now Omnia have restored my faith in Smartphones and there reliability.

thats odd....my TyTNII(Kaiser, from USA) has been nothing short of amazing, and it has taken its share of nasty falls!
anyone know what carrier in the U.S will be providing the TP2??
im praying its AT&T, Its almost time for an upgrade, and I think im in love

Perhaps you got some Gremlins
My HTC phones all work like they did on their first day. I didnt have any hardware Problems and the software problems where solved by this nice Community.
Ok, i hve to admit that HTC really doesnt care that much software-wise... I bet they wont release proper drivers for these devices either...
Thats no problem for me though, as i wont buy another arm or qualcom based Smartphone anyway. Im up for atom-powered voice capable MIDs now.

Hmmm. Quite fancy the Pro 2. Shame it doesn't have a slightly beefier processor though. I'm sure these will be replaced by Snapdragon or Tegra devices shortly after I buy one!

i opened a similar thread but it's closed cause i was to slow
now my question again
what's that "zoom bar" supposed to do

but if HTC devices are built so horribly, why use them over and over?

operative1 said:
i opened a similar thread but it's closed cause i was to slow
now my question again
what's that "zoom bar" supposed to do
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my guess its just the touchwheel from diamond and tpro. not that usuful if you ask me since they could have added more usfel buttons with dpad or remove it for the sake of bigger screen or just remove it to make the phone smaller.

Copy from Raphael Thread
My thoughts:
1. First thing I thought was: I wonder if there will be some way to buy this from AT&T without breaking my contract? I mean, what do they do for people who got a 2-year contract with the original iPhone, and then a year later they want the new iPhone?
2. Longer battery life and a bigger screen are very welcome.
3. I hope that keyboard is a mock-up. Also, I can't imagine using a non-Fuze keyboard, let alone one of those 3-row keyboards most phones have, but it's just way too convenient to have all those punctuation marks available top row.
4. I wonder when this phone will reach stateside.
5. I wonder why the phone's specs aren't improved?
6. I wonder why it's not all-black. It better just be a mockup.
7. Almost Touch HD-sized screen, and the TYTTN II tilt *drools*
But really, it took an entire year for the Touch Pro to come out in the states, so who is really banking on this thing coming out by Summer? And what will AT&T do when I'm willing to give them 300 more dollars for the Touch Pro II, and I still have a contract?
Sure, it's not the improvement we'd all have made. Not more RAM, not a better processor, or drivers... but it's still an improvement over the Touch Pro (unless that isn't a mockup keyboard, in which case I may cry over the colour scheme and the fact that there are LESS KEYS on that phone than the existing Touch Pro) and I'll take it. Plus, the front-facing D-Pad is a pain to use anyway that I just open it up and use my Keyboard D-Pad.

Good point...
drama2747 said:
but if HTC devices are built so horribly, why use them over and over?
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When will we see some dedicated forums for these devices...? moderators...?

HANDS ON VIDEOS
I'm fallin' in love... no kiddin

good to see the phone in action...all though i was tempted to mute the sound lol

HTC & Snapdragon

Does anyone know when HTC will be releasing a snapdragon powered device? My upgrade is due soon and I would love to stick with HTC, but the Toshiba TGO1 has been picked up by Orange in the UK and the specs just look mouthwatering, so right now I am drooling over that. I found a few rumours of HTC releasing snapdragon devices later this year but possibly android powered.

Mmm...
I´m sure I have saw something about this before:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=495830&highlight=snapdragon
or
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=517826&highlight=snapdragon
No specific date is mentioned but if you see the Tosh and HTC roadmaps beginings of next year probably we will see something about it...

Thanks for the interesting links.

Not soon enough...htc needs to get off there big duff!

If you do need Snapdragon (I would - I've tested the TG01 back in February and LOVED the speed), currrently, the Toshi TG01 is the only way to go.
I don't think HTC will release a phone with it in the near future (that is, before next year).

was just looking up new phones, also trying to stick to htc, mainly because of this site
found this:
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1783&c=htc_firestone_100
htc Firestone... apparently sporting a snapdragon QSD8250, though clocked at 600MHz...

Menneisyys said:
If you do need Snapdragon (I would - I've tested the TG01 back in February and LOVED the speed), currrently, the Toshi TG01 is the only way to go.
I don't think HTC will release a phone with it in the near future (that is, before next year).
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How was it for size and build quality? You get to play with all the nice toys! Oh and what did you think of the screen? I know it is huge but the hype claims that it incorpoates all tosh's TV manufactuing skills and that it sets a new standard.
All the up comming snapdragon devices look like a big step for win mo, I hope it pans out well with all the proper drivers and an OS worthy of the device spec.
One worry about the TGO1 is will cooked roms be available? Stock roms are just so unsatisfying!

Have a look into one of the great thread/reports from meneysys, there is one regarding his experience on TG0.
Well as TG0 is not an HTC build I can hardly to see cooked ROM´s here...
I really hope next year HTC will launch somethin for 2010!

Sorry double post please delete

id love to know the reason behind the BUT POSSIBLY ANDROID POWERED, android is going to take over the mobile market with 18 different devices coming out this year alone

uniqueboy said:
How was it for size and build quality? You get to play with all the nice toys! Oh and what did you think of the screen? I know it is huge but the hype claims that it incorpoates all tosh's TV manufactuing skills and that it sets a new standard.
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It was HUGE. I,personally, wouldn't buy it as it's still resistive. TG02 (to be released later this year), on the other hand, is stated to have a capacitive screen - THAT may become my best WinMo friend and may be able to even beat my iPhone when it comes to Web browsing.

Menneisyys said:
It was HUGE. I,personally, wouldn't buy it as it's still resistive. TG02 (to be released later this year), on the other hand, is stated to have a capacitive screen - THAT may become my best WinMo friend and may be able to even beat my iPhone when it comes to Web browsing.
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Will TGO2 recognise a stylus though? I suppose it just won't need one but so many win mo apps still need a stylus for some things.
Any way now to go and read through some of Menneisyys's articles.

uniqueboy said:
Will TGO2 recognise a stylus though?
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I don't think so. Nevertheless, on even my 3.6" iPhone the capacitive touchscreen is, in general, VERY exact. On the considerably larger (IIRC) 4.1" screen of the TG02, I don't think you'll ever need it. Or, hopefully, the Toshi engineers come up with some kind of e.g. 2x or 4x (hardware) magnification for more exact tapping.

I am wondering if it would be possible to combine the two technologies on the same screen. I think that a special electrically charged stylus could be made which would work on a capacitive screen.
Looks like there will be a few other new processors in the pipeline for mobile devices in the not too distant future, the NVidea chip looks promising, but not too sure about atom in a phone. It seems odd that the ARM processor is still going so strong after so long. Wasn't it the power behind such things as the BBC micro and the Acorn Electron in the 80s?

" I think that a special electrically charged stylus could be made which would work on a capacitive screen."
there already are such stylus which work on iphones
but of cause the iphone don't have writing req software as it is now

Rudegar said:
there already are such stylus which work on iphones
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There is, but it sucks and is pretty much useless. The only way of implementing this without sacrifying screen quality (that is, without adding a resistive layer) would be adding a radio sensor layer under the screen, just like the one in most Tablet PC's. This, however, may result in huge stili.

HTC late on new hardware
Don't forget that HTC is selling it's services to Toshiba, Sony and so on for developing and manufacturing devices.
And those want exclusive features garantied for a certain amount of time.
If you take a look at the pro 2 it is quite simular to the X1 on the hardware side.
Therefore HTC will probably never will be the first to bring out new hardware - even so they developed the combination. It is sold to the other PDA makers and then followed up by their own device with about the same features - just delayed a couple of month (and with better software .

WM6.5 when?
I'm still pondering the TGO1, but wm6.1 I can live without. I see that orange will but providing an upgrade to wm6.5, but I don't see when. I was wondering if anyone has any insider knowledge or any inkling at all as to when this upgrade might be available? Or just when will MS finally release it? (when xda devs have made it work properly for them for free I expect)

There's a snapdragon-based Xperia rumored to come out later this year in Android flavor, the X3. I'd believe that Xperias are made by HTC, are they not (though branded by Sony Ericsson)?

no, the Xperia was made by HTC, but not the successors.

HTC Hero or BB Storm 2 ?? I'm stuck

I've never owned a BB.
I want a reliable phone that will last me at least 2 years.
note: I take good care of my phones
Storm 2 + for me:
Blackberry messenger, since everyone seems to have it
CAMERA FLASH!!
Battery Life?
BBs are supposed to be reliable right?
Big screen
comes with a big memory card
Android + for me:
the Android OS is fast!
Customizable home screen
5mp camera ( no flash... basically cant take pictures at night)
The size of it
Huge app market, growing
Concerns :
how reliable the surepress of the Storm2 is. Will it crap out on me in a year?
HTC reliablility. I currently own a HTC Touch Diamond and it hasnt been too reliable. But I might fault that to windows mobile and mainly the resistive screen. The screen seems to have problems. But then again, the Hero and S2 both have capacitive screens so thats huge in terms of reliability for me (not sure about surepress though).
ps. I dont like hardware keyboards, they arent comfortable for me to type on.
I'm not a heavy e-mailer.
I want a fun and reliable phone.
Suggestions? Thanks!

Stick with the best: HTC & Android!

galaxys said:
Stick with the best: HTC & Android!
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HTC hasnt really proven to me that they are the best, lol

Go for Hero!!
Just thinking to use blackberry OS make me sick...
HTC as any other company has it's bad times but they deliver great quality products.
Also XDA great support to HTC devices is a plus to consider
Just my opinion

Get Nexus One

raven2000 said:
Get Nexus One
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Not an option.

Wond3r said:
I've never owned a BB.
I want a reliable phone that will last me at least 2 years.
note: I take good care of my phones
Storm 2 + for me:
Blackberry messenger, since everyone seems to have it
CAMERA FLASH!!
Battery Life?
BBs are supposed to be reliable right?
Big screen
comes with a big memory card
Android + for me:
the Android OS is fast!
Customizable home screen
5mp camera ( no flash... basically cant take pictures at night)
The size of it
Huge app market, growing
Concerns :
how reliable the surepress of the Storm2 is. Will it crap out on me in a year?
HTC reliablility. I currently own a HTC Touch Diamond and it hasnt been too reliable. But I might fault that to windows mobile and mainly the resistive screen. The screen seems to have problems. But then again, the Hero and S2 both have capacitive screens so thats huge in terms of reliability for me (not sure about surepress though).
ps. I dont like hardware keyboards, they arent comfortable for me to type on.
I'm not a heavy e-mailer.
I want a fun and reliable phone.
Suggestions? Thanks!
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Blackberry non-touch phones are reliable. Don't know about the Storm series.
HTC Hero, unlike HTC Diamond has better virtual keybaord, better touch screen, better speed performance.
Now comparing HTC to BBS2: The memory card should not be a PRO because you are better comparing the performance of the phone, and not the external goodies that your seller provides. (TIE)
Android does have more programs (I think). Black Berry messenger, depends who where you are and depends on your friends. (Honestly different friends equates to different messengers). My friends in Michigan all used Windows Messenger on the PC. My friends in California use yahoo messenger on the PC. The messenger app, is your choice. Besides you might even find a blackberry messenger program that could work on the HTC Hero. (HTC Wins)
Camera: 5 Megapixels w/o flash vs 3 Megapizels w/ flash (TIE)
Screen Size: Don't be a fool, both screens are approximately the same size. Look at the specs, there is only a .5 inch difference. Not a deal breaker. Can't believe that you said it had a "BIG" screen when you compare it to a phone with a screen almost just as big. (TIE)
Reliability: Storm 2 online support, good but not super technical. HTC Hero online support, very awesome and full of techie people. Storm 2 OS out of the box is reliable I guess. And so is the HTC Hero. But remember that a phone that works with 3rd party software (HTC Hero) becomes very buggy. (HTC Hero Wins).
HTC Hero Size: WTF? You buy a phone just because it's small? Dude, buy a phone because it works. Also, I can fit an HD2 in my pocket it had a 4.5 inch screen, stop acting like it can't fit in your pocket. Why are people complaining that it doesn't fit when it literally fits, and my pants have small pockets!!!! (NO POINTS)
HTC Hero OS and Homescreen: I don't like android, it's still a todler. (NO POINTS)
As you can see, the Blackberry failed to win in any of the categories you mentioned. It only managed to sort of tie with the HTC Hero. But this is my opinion.
Also, both phones suck, and HTC Hero generated too much hype.
I am looking forward to these phones: Blackberry Bold 9700, HTC Nexus, HTC HD2.

Now comparing HTC to BBS2: The memory card should not be a PRO because you are better comparing the performance of the phone, and not the external goodies that your seller provides. (TIE)
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I'm also comparing the deal I get for the money paid to my cell phone provider.
Android does have more programs (I think). Black Berry messenger, depends who where you are and depends on your friends. (Honestly different friends equates to different messengers). My friends in Michigan all used Windows Messenger on the PC. My friends in California use yahoo messenger on the PC. The messenger app, is your choice. Besides you might even find a blackberry messenger program that could work on the HTC Hero. (HTC Wins)
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I think there are more BB apps, since android is still a "toddler" . And do you know what BBM is? It has nothing to do with Windows live or yahoo. With BBM, its almost a text message but its sent through RIM's network directly to another BB device with no delay, and I can also see if the person has read the message or not. It was a variant to text messaging, HTC does not and will not have anything like that. There is also no limit to the number of characters you can type. You dont need to have BBM "running" as it is not an app, it is part of a blackberry device.
Camera: 5 Megapixels w/o flash vs 3 Megapizels w/ flash (TIE)
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You cant see anything with a 5mp camera at night time if it has no flash. It can be 100mp. 3.2 still provides good quality and it can be used at any time of day/night with no problems.
Screen Size: Don't be a fool, both screens are approximately the same size. Look at the specs, there is only a .5 inch difference. Not a deal breaker. Can't believe that you said it had a "BIG" screen when you compare it to a phone with a screen almost just as big. (TIE)
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Um the pluses for each of these phones arent compared to each other, I am simply stating the pluses of each phone individually. The screen IS bigger, and bigger than my Diamond as well. Since the screen IS bigger and they are both capacitive and both display the same number of colours, BB wins. If we're comparing the SIZE of a screen, and one is bigger, how can it be a tie?
Reliability: Storm 2 online support, good but not super technical. HTC Hero online support, very awesome and full of techie people. Storm 2 OS out of the box is reliable I guess. And so is the HTC Hero. But remember that a phone that works with 3rd party software (HTC Hero) becomes very buggy. (HTC Hero Wins).
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Im talking about the reliablity of the HARDWARE. BB has been known to have VERY reliable phones. HTC... not so much, and I own an HTC so I know. But the Hero may be different since its new.
HTC Hero Size: WTF? You buy a phone just because it's small? Dude, buy a phone because it works. Also, I can fit an HD2 in my pocket it had a 4.5 inch screen, stop acting like it can't fit in your pocket. Why are people complaining that it doesn't fit when it literally fits, and my pants have small pockets!!!! (NO POINTS)
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"DUDE" I dont believe I ever mentioned that the phone "cant fit" in my pocket. I said the size is a PLUS because it is thin ...
(lol at HTC HD2 ... forget windows mobile 6.5. We can talk when they release WM7 with capacitive screens and multitouch)

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I'm also comparing the deal I get for the money paid to my cell phone provider.
I think there are more BB apps, since android is still a "toddler" . And do you know what BBM is? It has nothing to do with Windows live or yahoo. With BBM, its almost a text message but its sent through RIM's network directly to another BB device with no delay, and I can also see if the person has read the message or not. It was a variant to text messaging, HTC does not and will not have anything like that. There is also no limit to the number of characters you can type. You dont need to have BBM "running" as it is not an app, it is part of a blackberry device.
You cant see anything with a 5mp camera at night time if it has no flash. It can be 100mp. 3.2 still provides good quality and it can be used at any time of day/night with no problems.
Um the pluses for each of these phones arent compared to each other, I am simply stating the pluses of each phone individually. The screen IS bigger, and bigger than my Diamond as well. Since the screen IS bigger and they are both capacitive and both display the same number of colours, BB wins. If we're comparing the SIZE of a screen, and one is bigger, how can it be a tie?
Im talking about the reliablity of the HARDWARE. BB has been known to have VERY reliable phones. HTC... not so much, and I own an HTC so I know. But the Hero may be different since its new.
"DUDE" I dont believe I ever mentioned that the phone "cant fit" in my pocket. I said the size is a PLUS because it is thin ...
(lol at HTC HD2 ... forget windows mobile 6.5. We can talk when they release WM7 with capacitive screens and multitouch)
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lol my last comment about the HD2 was done out of spite to the people who hate huge phones.

If I were you, I would definitely go with the Hero, or maybe even wait for the Hero's successor, the Legend (supposedly released March 2010, look at the sticky called "HTC Portfolio 2010" at the top of this subforum for more info). Android is very fast, fun, and customizable OS. In addition, there's a huge community supporting the device here at XDA-Developers, if you're interested in hacking it to the fullest. I haven't heard horrible things about the Storm/Storm II, but I've never heard good things about them either. If it were me in this situation, I would go for the Hero without a doubt.

I looked up the specs of the Legend. The current specs of it wont even work with my provider. I'm soo stuck. The flash on the BB is big for me so I can take pictures whenever. But the interface and function of Android seems more refined. I havent had a good experience with my HTC and I dont know if they have upped their quality. You cant really tell from the hero because it hasnt been out too long but BB is known for the reliable builds of their phones.
Its really tough. Its a big investment for me and I need to know I'll have whichever phone for a while.

I honestly don't own either phone, and have never ventured into Android land. However, I have tried both a Storm and a Storm II... and as for the Storm I felt it to be well... antiquated - when it came out mind you. The Storm II addressed many of the issues with the Storm, but it is a Blackberry that is touch screen. BB has not had a whole lot of experience with touch screens and it shows in their interface, it just felt... well poorly planned. I cannot comment on the Hero, but am eager to try one hah
I hope that kind of helped!

Hero definitely, the only thing that can even come close to an Android phone is the iPhone, and it falls short for me every time.

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Hero definitely, the only thing that can even come close to an Android phone is the iPhone, and it falls short for me every time.
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Come close in what sense though?
The Storm2 will be $100 more expensive for me. But I do get that 16gb sd card, camera flash, and BB reliabilty.
Hero, $100 cheaper, can surf the web away from wifi (will have a small data plan, would only have a social plan on the BB but I would use wifi when needed), ANDROID . .. but not sure on how much it would last me.

Before I bought my HD2, the Blackberry Storm has been my mobile phone for 13 month.
I don't know Android, besides some playing around, but my experience with the blackberry:
The first version (9500/9530) had many problems, mostly because of software flaws. After one year of developement it is now very usable. The built quality seems to be even better on the new device (Storm 2).
If you want to have a phone that simply works, take the Blackberry. There are no software problems, it always does what you expect. With BIS/BES Service for instant mails, the battery will last 3 days. But there is only a small amount of software available for Blackberrys. If you want a phone to play around with, try one with android.
Greetings from Germany and sorry for my bad english...
Sebastian

You're english is fine actually! And thank you for your input. I'm wondering if I could play around with a Storm 2 as well.

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I looked up the specs of the Legend. The current specs of it wont even work with my provider. I'm soo stuck. The flash on the BB is big for me so I can take pictures whenever. But the interface and function of Android seems more refined. I havent had a good experience with my HTC and I dont know if they have upped their quality. You cant really tell from the hero because it hasnt been out too long but BB is known for the reliable builds of their phones.
Its really tough. Its a big investment for me and I need to know I'll have whichever phone for a while.
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HTC Hero Build Quality is better than Diamond I think. But It's not based on my usage experience, thought I've used the Diamond before. I think, in the U.S. atleast, that the HTC Hero is for higher-end consumers, and the Diamond was a very introductory device that meant to showcase Touch FLO3D. It was the first phone that had that interface, I think.
Diamond is not on-par to HTC Hero. But I tell you this, the HTC Xperia X1 was a fiasco and the build quality is really terrible. I bought this phone for 900 U.S. dollars, and ended up selling it heavily used and scratched for 250.
Considering that at that time, a high end device produced a year or two later had a build quality as crappy as a Diamond and from the same manufacturer, you might think that the Hero is very flimsy.
But you must also consider that the Xperia X1 was also a Sony Ericsson phone. It was built by HTC, but most likely designed or supervised by Sony Ericsson. Now the Xperia X1 is literally an experiment by Sony Ericsson as well as the Diamond an experiment by HTC. To tell you the truth, Sony Ericsson, prior to the production of the Xperia X1, was very inexperienced in the smartphone industry. Sony Ericsson are used to designing and selling walkmans (low-end software phones) and very flashy but very useless phones. But the point is that Xperia X1 was their first phone on THIS CATEGORY (THE SMARTPHONE), and that since it was their first phone, they are likely to mess up on the first try.
Considering that the Diamond was an experimental and introductory Touch FLO3D Phone, it should have been crappy. Now you are right to think that the Diamond was not HTC's first smartphone. But put into context the other aspects. 1) The diamond-like design that HTC had never done before and 2) the Touch FLO3D might originally be reflected by the external, physical design.
HTC Hero has been out for awhile now. But personally I hate HTC Hero and Storm 2. If I were to get an HTC budget phone, it would be the Nexus (based on everyone saying it has a good price for it's value), or the BlackBerry Bold 9700 (because I'm a keyboard lover).
But as for the reliable build of BlackBerries, my sister's BlackBerry Curve is scratched everywhere and lost all of its silver plastic chrome finish. But as for software, I don't think you should worry about issues on these phones.
But as for real software (especially the ones you intend on paying 50 bucks for), get the HTC Hero.

If your friends are all using BBM then really, you need a Blackberry. BBM is one of the main reasons behind the constant increase in device sales for RIM.
The Storm 1 was poor when it came out but after a year of fixes it was okay. The Storm 2 was good from the day it launched. However you really need to try that keyboard again and again to decide if you are happy with the click feature.
Personally I don't think much of the Hero: Small screen, slowish CPU, decent RAM, stupid chin that makes it bigger than it should be. I'm not sure how the Hero compares to the Storm 2 in terms of battery life but the Storm 2 has the bigger battery and Blackberries generally have decent battery life.
I don't know which country you're in or which network you're on but you have to remember that you'll need to have a Blackberry service package as part of your contract. With some networks this will be instead of the normal Data Package and it will also include data and with others you will need it in addition to the normal Data Package if you want to browse the web, etc.
I'm considering the Storm 2 as an option if the HD2 doesn't pan out.

I just got back from the store and tested both phones out.
The Hero does seem like it is built very well (keep in mind, when holding in hand, so does my Diamond) but I found it hard to type on the small screen.
You might say that my Diamond has a smaller screen, which it does, but due to my resistive screen, I use my finernails basically and amd very quick and accurate ... you cant use your fingernails on a capacitive screen.
When I flipped to landscape, the typing was a bit better.
Storm2 .. the typing was muchhhh easier.
but the Anroid interface was very snappy, very nice.

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I just got back from the store and tested both phones out.
The Hero does seem like it is built very well (keep in mind, when holding in hand, so does my Diamond) but I found it hard to type on the small screen.
You might say that my Diamond has a smaller screen, which it does, but due to my resistive screen, I use my finernails basically and amd very quick and accurate ... you cant use your fingernails on a capacitive screen.
When I flipped to landscape, the typing was a bit better.
Storm2 .. the typing was muchhhh easier.
but the Anroid interface was very snappy, very nice.
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Oh yeah, about the typing. I'm not a fan of touch screen typing and the Storm 2 is better for typing. I don't think it's that the screen is small but that there is no tactile feedback (aside from phone vibrate). In fact buttons on screens are usually bigger then physical buttons.