I am by no means an expert nor do I even know what i'm really talking about, the following information is what i pieced together from what i have read on these forums. If a more knowledgeable member finds something incorrect PLEASE feel free to let me know!
I have the kaiser and happen to be on the t-mobile us network and I also happen to be in the N.Y. area which has 3G rolled out already, so 1700mhz on the kaiser should equal 3g. Therefore I am interested in this subject.
I had found information on this forum about the kaiser for Emobile Emonster and had found the download to it's radio and was disappointed to find that there was NO added 1700 band :-(
Then I did a little more research and found that Emonster has 2 version of its kaiser, The Kaiser 120 (w/o 1700) http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1269 and the soon to be released kaiser 140 (w/1700) http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1387 !!!
So the question now becomes, is it a hardware change or a radio rom upgrade.
All the specs (aside from the 1700) including the cpu appear to be the same I am not sure about the radio chipsets.
Hopefully someone out there who can get there hands on the NEW kaiser 140 from emonster (due to be released in october) can get us a dumped rom so we can try it out!!!!
Thank you!
I work for t-mbile and use a tilt as well. The phone does have 2100 and the RF tech told me that we will launch 2100 as well.
but if anyone knows if 1700/2100 its just a software switch or hardware based we would greatly appreciate the info
THanks
This has been discussed to death... The 1700MHz band requires hardware modification.
The HTC Diamond suffers the same fate for the moment as it does not support the frequencies that AT&T uses for 3G/HSDPA. The FCC recently received a new model of it that does support US frequencies, but who knows if it will see a release.
Redundant thread.
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Guys, I'm really interested on buying the Touch Cruise. I read everywhere that this phone connects to 3G networks worldwide.
However, according to the specs of GSM Arena, this phone is connects to HSDPA 2100 and HSDPA 850 / 1900 - US version.
THIS IS WHAT INTRIGUED ME! "US VERSION"!
Are there two versions of this phone?
I live in Brazil where carriers connect to 3G networks in different frequencies. Some on 850 MHz, and most on 2100 MHz.
I thought this phone had only one version!
Thanks!
No, there are not 2 versions. They just denoted 850/1900 as US to make it simpler for US customers to know that their bands are supported. All Touch Cruise's have all 3G bands.
Thank you very much! This is exactly what I wanted to hear! I'm going to NY in august, and I plan to buy the phone there.
I saw this store: MobileCity. The price there for the Polaris is $749.
Maybe it'll be cheaper in August!
ah... what the heck - maybe I'll change my mind in August and buy another!
One more thing: In your opinion, Polaris or Kaiser?
I think if you do a search on the forum you will find a thread where the differences are discussed. In summary, Kaiser has a keyboard if you are more comfortable using that (if you anticipate using it a lot). The Kaiser is bulkier/heavier than the TC. The TC has a built-in FM radio, don't think the Kaiser has that. They are very similar functionally. Do a search and check out that thread for more details.
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I think if you do a search on the forum you will find a thread where the differences are discussed. In summary, Kaiser has a keyboard if you are more comfortable using that (if you anticipate using it a lot). The Kaiser is bulkier/heavier than the TC. The TC has a built-in FM radio, don't think the Kaiser has that. They are very similar functionally. Do a search and check out that thread for more details.
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My answer: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=349751
I have seen on various sites diffrent listings for the gsm. some sites say its quad band and list 850 and some say tri-band. I just wanted to know if anyone has any conformation on if it has 850 mhz or not
Really difficult to go to the HTC website and check the specs ... is it?
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49524
like i said in the first post other sites have it listed as not quad band
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like i said in the first post other sites have it listed as not quad band
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Originally HTC listed it as tri-band, but bow they are saying quad-band. That's why some sites say one thing and others another.
sounds good to me. So i should be able to get this as soon as its released overseas next month and have it working on the US at&t for data and voice.
edit: nm i just noticed there is no 1900 umts. think this can be activated with a rom?
Hmmmmm....
On the htc official dutch site is says triband......
http://www.htc.com/nl/product.aspx?id=54146
WTF????
look at cellhut
http://www.cellhut.com/HTC-Touch-Pro-Unlocked-8373.html?u=2&ppc=26438&name=HTC-Touch-Pro-(Unlocked)
"BandGSM 1800/GSM 1900/GSM 850/HSDPA 850/HSDPA 1900 "
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On the htc official dutch site is says triband......
http://www.htc.com/nl/product.aspx?id=54146
WTF????
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The official German site of HTC does as well:
http://www.htc.com/de/product.aspx?id=54454
(It sais that the actual capability of frequencies depends on the telephone provider, but it does not mention 8560 MHz ...)
Either there is a European/Asian version AND an US-amerik. version or the limitation is based on software (different radio firmware?). There is a Raphael 100 and a Raphael 110 - may this be the difference?
Cheers,
Eriol
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The official German site of HTC does as well:
http://www.htc.com/de/product.aspx?id=54454
(It sais that the actual capability of frequencies depends on the telephone provider, but it does not mention 8560 MHz ...)
Either there is a European/Asian version AND an US-amerik. version or the limitation is based on software (different radio firmware?). There is a Raphael 100 and a Raphael 800 - may this be the difference?
Cheers,
Eriol
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Read a bit closer dude, the Raph800 is the CDMA version (according to the sources I stated in the thread here). The AT&T ROM was signed for a RAPH110 whereas the HTC ROM was signed for a RAPH100. Im predicting the radio stack will be the desiding factor on the bands available rather than different hardware, would be quite logistically stupid if HTC had several slightly different models on the go just to satisfy the carriers band needs. Sure the cosmetics might be different outside but the core hardware really should be the same.
what is the processor speed of Raphael?
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what is the processor speed of Raphael?
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524 hz.... you can find it in all specs available.....
Mods please close this tread...after reading the first page I just got a headache from all the dumb questions that could have all been answered by visiting HTC's website.
850MHz HSDPA on US AT&T
So,the end result is that a Touch Pro MAY, at some time, work on the AT&T system in the US. However, at this point no one has it functional with any of the ROMs / Radio that are avaiable at this time.
Possibly one might be able to access the higher speed HSDPA, once the ROMs and Radios have been distributed here in the good ol' USA.
If anyone does have a solution to get the TP functional here, I would love to try it.
-Craigster
At least what i can tell, my O2 Touch Pro is a quad band phone.
850MHz HSDPA on US AT&T
The key is that it has HSDPA under 850MHz. This is what will allow the higher speeds on the US AT&T network.
What radio version is your phone using?
-Craigster
Actually all Touch Pro's are 528mhz processor. 528 MHz MSM7201a to be exact.
check this thread about the 850 band please
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420865&page=31
Hey folks, I've had the TYTN II connected to ROGERS (in Canada) via 3G for about a year now without any difficulties. I've swapped the SIM card into my new Touch Pro and it's only registering as EDGE. I've tried setting up a 3G connection in properties and everything, but it STILL only recognizes edge for the most-part. I've seen a couple of occasions when it said "G" in the top bar, but mostly E (99% of the time)
Any ideas on if there is a configuration problem? Or what I should do next?
A software update should hopefully fix this problem; just awaiting the final release of hardspl
well i know you cant get 3g in america because of band frequencies being different but what is rogers on? the touch pro can only do 2100mhz band for UMTS
I thought the UMTS frequencies were the same fro all of North America. I could be thinking about gprs. I know that hardspl is soon to be released from what i've been reading so we will know soon enough :-D
UMTS 850 and 1900 are available in the band selection screen HOWEVER the current stock radio and ROM combination doesnt work with it.
There IS a radio update around which has a minor update to the version number and protocol so im gonna guess it MAY help with this. The radio was bundled along with the cingular test update posted earlier this month.
Not recommended to update it yet though...wait til HardSPL is out so nothing dies
thanks
Thanks guys -- Do you think I should wait before I sell this Raphael to make sure its NOT compatible with the North American network?
I find it hard to believe that it would not be globally compatible with 3G networks around the world. Hopefully it just needs a ROM update (either radio/OS) to make it start working in 3g in North America
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Thanks guys -- Do you think I should wait before I sell this Raphael to make sure its NOT compatible with the North American network?
I find it hard to believe that it would not be globally compatible with 3G networks around the world. Hopefully it just needs a ROM update (either radio/OS) to make it start working in 3g in North America
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Wait, dont jump ship so quickly
Considering there are already TWO RUUs out ther for AT&T/Cingular its a pretty good bet an update will solve it
Wouldn't the world be a better place if there weren't so many different 3G frequencies?
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Wouldn't the world be a better place if there weren't so many different 3G frequencies?
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Yes it definitely would! When is HardSPL due out for this phone?
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Yes it definitely would! When is HardSPL due out for this phone?
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Check the forum section under "Raphael ROM Development", there's a thread.
Is the HTC Touch Pro able to work on U.S 3G band , if not is there a radio patch that will activate the U.S band on the device. Please help.
This is a very hot topic on this forum but so far from what i've been able to see none of the radios have enabled 3G. This is not to say that 3G isn't supported by the hardware although its looking pretty grim. It appears that the ELITE team is working on this since they just released Hardspl
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This is a very hot topic on this forum but so far from what i've been able to see none of the radios have enabled 3G. This is not to say that 3G isn't supported by the hardware although its looking pretty grim. It appears that the ELITE team is working on this since they just released Hardspl
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We shall see what happens, although the bands are available in the "band" settings tab so it MAY be a radio issue.
Bit early to know yet, as there is only one user here so far who has hold of an AT&T Fuze (RAPH11000) we dont have a huge ammount of detail yet.
Both the newer 1.02.25.31 and 1.02.25.19 radios seem to have similar protocols (same QCT_BOOT and HTC_BOOT), it would be good if any user could flash the (apparently) older 1.02.25.11 radio and see if it does anything?
I really wish i could help out on this 3G front but no 3G in my area...
I can help...
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...Both the newer 1.02.25.31 and 1.02.25.19 radios seem to have similar protocols (same QCT_BOOT and HTC_BOOT), it would be good if any user could flash the (apparently) older 1.02.25.11 radio and see if it does anything?
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I have the 1.02.25.19 radio here in Chicago. I know I have good 3G coverage from my TyTN II that I had previously. But why would you think the OLDER radio (1.02.25.11) would have U.S. 3G? ...jus curious.
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I've installed the radio 1.02.25.11 and no luck with 3G in US ATT. only edge support.
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I tried all the radios listed on the wiki too. None of them worked with 3G.
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I have the 1.02.25.19 radio here in Chicago. I know I have good 3G coverage from my TyTN II that I had previously. But why would you think the OLDER radio (1.02.25.11) would have U.S. 3G? ...jus curious.
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Its bundled with the AT&T ROM which is currently on the AT&T Fuze devices people are testing.
Higher radio version number doesnt necessarily mean a better one, as veterans of the Hermes will verify
The overseas Touch Pro cannot get 3G in the US. Just like the Diamond, the Touch Pro from overseas (RAPH100) does not have a WCDMA 850 radio.
Flash all the radios you guys want... it's not going to get you 3G on the 850 band. You'll have to wait for the US version/ATT Fuze if you're in the US and want 3G data.
Anyone know when AT&T sould release US version/ATT Fuze?
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The overseas Touch Pro cannot get 3G in the US. Just like the Diamond, the Touch Pro from overseas (RAPH100) does not have a WCDMA 850 radio.
Flash all the radios you guys want... it's not going to get you 3G on the 850 band. You'll have to wait for the US version/ATT Fuze if you're in the US and want 3G data.
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Until we have tested newer ROMs and radios that statement is pure speculation. MANY devices have had missing bands and etc...but have had them unlocked in ROM and Radio updates so it is too early to be writing off 3G support yet.
I have a TouchPro coming tomorrow. I called HTC today and (although I have about as much confidence in this as the paper I wrote this on) I was told by a lower level tech (I think he knew what I was talking about) that a "software" upgrade would allow for the European 3G enabled device to work in the US for 3G
... I sure hope so since I forked out the cash today
The Treo 750 didn't even start out 3G capable at all and was made 3G able with a ROM upgrade
Hoping
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Maybe a very stupid question, but what about openning up an eu version to see if the quad radio hardware is there? I would assume the radio chipset would be labeled and numbered so that we would know once and for all.
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I have a TouchPro coming tomorrow. I called HTC today and (although I have about as much confidence in this as the paper I wrote this on) I was told by a lower level tech (I think he knew what I was talking about) that a "software" upgrade would allow for the European 3G enabled device to work in the US for 3G
... I sure hope so since I forked out the cash today
The Treo 750 didn't even start out 3G capable at all and was made 3G able with a ROM upgrade
Hoping
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I sure hope that the HTC tech guy knew what he was talking about! Im want to know before 9/17 so i can either pre order the HTC dream with t-mo (current provider) or switch over to AT&T so i can (hopefully) use 3G with my touch pro
Don't take this the wrong way...
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I tried all the radios listed on the wiki too. None of them worked with 3G.
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...but can we ASSUME you DO in fact KNOW you have 3G coverage in the U.S. area(s) you tested these ROMs?
Not trying to upset or belittle your efforts...just had to ask.
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Maybe a very stupid question, but what about openning up an eu version to see if the quad radio hardware is there? I would assume the radio chipset would be labeled and numbered so that we would know once and for all.
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I thought about this but cracking open a 900 dollar device and completely voiding the warranty really isn't worth it. If someone can get schematic from HTC which i doubt we could see if the hardware is installed.
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The overseas Touch Pro cannot get 3G in the US. Just like the Diamond, the Touch Pro from overseas (RAPH100) does not have a WCDMA 850 radio.
Flash all the radios you guys want... it's not going to get you 3G on the 850 band. You'll have to wait for the US version/ATT Fuze if you're in the US and want 3G data.
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I believe there is an asian hardware version, this is what the HTC techs keep mentioning that might have the 850 3G radio.
I have a case into HTC support asking them to answer the question for me around if the radio is hardware capable of 3G in the US and explained what bands I was talking about and that it was in the software to enable those. I Posed the question as if I was unhappy that I was selecting these bands and it wasnt working to try to get an answer out of them will report back when I am answered one way or another.
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I have a case into HTC support asking them to answer the question for me around if the radio is hardware capable of 3G in the US and explained what bands I was talking about and that it was in the software to enable those. I Posed the question as if I was unhappy that I was selecting these bands and it wasnt working to try to get an answer out of them will report back when I am answered one way or another.
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Just so you know - I sent a similar email to them regarding the 850 band on the Diamond and I was sent a very nice response informing me that the phone I purchased was not intended for the US and did not have the hardware capability to be used on ATT in the US. Low and behold the xda developers made the 850 band work. Now HTC offers a rom upgrade opening the 850 band they said was not in phone. Unfortunately the response you get will not be the definitive answer.
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Until we have tested newer ROMs and radios that statement is pure speculation. MANY devices have had missing bands and etc...but have had them unlocked in ROM and Radio updates so it is too early to be writing off 3G support yet.
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I understand yours and others' reasons for not believing me or assuming it's speculation. All I can say is there will be a lot of effort put forth for no reason, just like with the DIAM100, only to confim that the hardware everyone is trying to unlock isn't even there. If the efforts put forth do nothing more than prove the above to be true, then at the very least people can rest more easily with full confirmation.
No one has done this yet? Are we still waiting for the clever ones to write a security unlocker to do this? Telstra Australia has a 850 3G Diamond, why cant I have my TP 850 3G.......
WHAT! No-One on Next G yet...? Or a AT&T radio on a Euro TP?
Check in the ROM/radio section.
Please read through the forum, this topic has been discussed at length already.