I have seen on various sites diffrent listings for the gsm. some sites say its quad band and list 850 and some say tri-band. I just wanted to know if anyone has any conformation on if it has 850 mhz or not
Really difficult to go to the HTC website and check the specs ... is it?
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49524
like i said in the first post other sites have it listed as not quad band
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like i said in the first post other sites have it listed as not quad band
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Originally HTC listed it as tri-band, but bow they are saying quad-band. That's why some sites say one thing and others another.
sounds good to me. So i should be able to get this as soon as its released overseas next month and have it working on the US at&t for data and voice.
edit: nm i just noticed there is no 1900 umts. think this can be activated with a rom?
Hmmmmm....
On the htc official dutch site is says triband......
http://www.htc.com/nl/product.aspx?id=54146
WTF????
look at cellhut
http://www.cellhut.com/HTC-Touch-Pro-Unlocked-8373.html?u=2&ppc=26438&name=HTC-Touch-Pro-(Unlocked)
"BandGSM 1800/GSM 1900/GSM 850/HSDPA 850/HSDPA 1900 "
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On the htc official dutch site is says triband......
http://www.htc.com/nl/product.aspx?id=54146
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The official German site of HTC does as well:
http://www.htc.com/de/product.aspx?id=54454
(It sais that the actual capability of frequencies depends on the telephone provider, but it does not mention 8560 MHz ...)
Either there is a European/Asian version AND an US-amerik. version or the limitation is based on software (different radio firmware?). There is a Raphael 100 and a Raphael 110 - may this be the difference?
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The official German site of HTC does as well:
http://www.htc.com/de/product.aspx?id=54454
(It sais that the actual capability of frequencies depends on the telephone provider, but it does not mention 8560 MHz ...)
Either there is a European/Asian version AND an US-amerik. version or the limitation is based on software (different radio firmware?). There is a Raphael 100 and a Raphael 800 - may this be the difference?
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Read a bit closer dude, the Raph800 is the CDMA version (according to the sources I stated in the thread here). The AT&T ROM was signed for a RAPH110 whereas the HTC ROM was signed for a RAPH100. Im predicting the radio stack will be the desiding factor on the bands available rather than different hardware, would be quite logistically stupid if HTC had several slightly different models on the go just to satisfy the carriers band needs. Sure the cosmetics might be different outside but the core hardware really should be the same.
what is the processor speed of Raphael?
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what is the processor speed of Raphael?
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524 hz.... you can find it in all specs available.....
Mods please close this tread...after reading the first page I just got a headache from all the dumb questions that could have all been answered by visiting HTC's website.
850MHz HSDPA on US AT&T
So,the end result is that a Touch Pro MAY, at some time, work on the AT&T system in the US. However, at this point no one has it functional with any of the ROMs / Radio that are avaiable at this time.
Possibly one might be able to access the higher speed HSDPA, once the ROMs and Radios have been distributed here in the good ol' USA.
If anyone does have a solution to get the TP functional here, I would love to try it.
-Craigster
At least what i can tell, my O2 Touch Pro is a quad band phone.
850MHz HSDPA on US AT&T
The key is that it has HSDPA under 850MHz. This is what will allow the higher speeds on the US AT&T network.
What radio version is your phone using?
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Actually all Touch Pro's are 528mhz processor. 528 MHz MSM7201a to be exact.
check this thread about the 850 band please
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420865&page=31
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so can anyone tell me if I am right? Here in north america we are just starting to get UMTS in some areas. And I have been waiting for the universal wanting to get one. but our north american umts network is on the 1900 mhz band mode and the rest of the world uses the 2100 mhz band mode for umts. that meens that the universal will have its umts radio on 2100. So does that meen it wont work here as a umts device and I will be stuck with just gprs?? if so I just cant buy it
Hi,
AFAIK, all UMTS phones, so the Universal, are GPS phones as well. So, form a technical point of view you can use the phone whereever there is reception. At least here in germany,the GPS service provider are the same as the UMTS service provider. So, if you leave a UMTS zone the phone automatically logs into the GPS zone. I would expect that it is the same in the US.
rgds
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EDIT: Now I have read your message completely and see, that I provided an answer that does not match your question 2nd try: I would expect that if you get your UMTS device via an US provider that it matches its UMTS band. But, without coverage you are stuck with GPRS/GPS, thats right
ARGH, that sucks. because Im sure that by the time they make a north american universal it will be outdated anyway :roll:
I tend to agree. I thought that with UMTS whis crazy frequency problem would disappear finally....
I just checked on the german t-mobile page, which has the Universal, T-Mobile MDA Pro as they call it, on their page.
Unfortunately there is no UMTS frequency mentioned. Maybe there is one generic UMTS setting which allows different frequencies to be used, and all UMTS devices support all the frequencies?
OK, that might be a bit optimistic, I agree ...
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I got interested and checked for the UMTS frequency situation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS
So, even with the special US situation, the UMTS frequencies are not connected to contries but comminucation methods (FDD, TDD). So, as long as the UMTS implementation in the US does not differ from the ITU standards, you should be able to use the Universal in the US. But even the above mentioned wiki page is not clear on the situation, so probably you will have to wait and see ...
Oh well I guess I will just have to wait for the wizard or maybee even (Forgive me) a non htc device???
if the wizard has a slower prosesor than my magician I just cant buy it either. and I have my magician tweaked up to 520mhz
I know this is off-topic
I have my magician tweaked up to 520mhz
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what program are you using for that...??
I tried PHM and it hang :evil:
then I tried XCPUScalar.. and it worked, I could overclock it to 520 MHz, but when I tried Beta-Player to benchmark the device.... it said 416 MHz..
and when I used lower speeds.. Beta-player and the XCPUScalar gave the same result
so I could only under-clock my device, but I couldn't overclock it...
are you sure that your device is running at 520 MHz?? and if so, is it stable??and any noticeable improvement in performance??
thanks in advance
Heres the deal my friends in the US.
And btw....its really not good news at all....
http://pocketpcdubai.com/index2.htm
Guys, I'm really interested on buying the Touch Cruise. I read everywhere that this phone connects to 3G networks worldwide.
However, according to the specs of GSM Arena, this phone is connects to HSDPA 2100 and HSDPA 850 / 1900 - US version.
THIS IS WHAT INTRIGUED ME! "US VERSION"!
Are there two versions of this phone?
I live in Brazil where carriers connect to 3G networks in different frequencies. Some on 850 MHz, and most on 2100 MHz.
I thought this phone had only one version!
Thanks!
No, there are not 2 versions. They just denoted 850/1900 as US to make it simpler for US customers to know that their bands are supported. All Touch Cruise's have all 3G bands.
Thank you very much! This is exactly what I wanted to hear! I'm going to NY in august, and I plan to buy the phone there.
I saw this store: MobileCity. The price there for the Polaris is $749.
Maybe it'll be cheaper in August!
ah... what the heck - maybe I'll change my mind in August and buy another!
One more thing: In your opinion, Polaris or Kaiser?
I think if you do a search on the forum you will find a thread where the differences are discussed. In summary, Kaiser has a keyboard if you are more comfortable using that (if you anticipate using it a lot). The Kaiser is bulkier/heavier than the TC. The TC has a built-in FM radio, don't think the Kaiser has that. They are very similar functionally. Do a search and check out that thread for more details.
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I think if you do a search on the forum you will find a thread where the differences are discussed. In summary, Kaiser has a keyboard if you are more comfortable using that (if you anticipate using it a lot). The Kaiser is bulkier/heavier than the TC. The TC has a built-in FM radio, don't think the Kaiser has that. They are very similar functionally. Do a search and check out that thread for more details.
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My answer: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=349751
The site Popular Electronics (I have no personal connection of any kind) advertises for sale a 850 MHz Touch pro
http://www.popularelect.com/product...id=CNPmmfGZhJUCFQRJFQod5VhbrQ&tab=2&osCsid=10
and it specifies that it has an 850 MHz capability:
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz (Band frequency and data speed are operator dependent)
Is this for real? All sites I have checked so far specify that the 850MHz version is not available as yet.
If the information of this site is for real, would it work for AT&T?
what a thousand dollar phone
these chinese pricks are getting ridiculous !!!(HTC)
In relation to my question: Is the 850 MHz part for real?
The actual store, btw, is in Chicago.
Correct if I'm wrong, but AFAIK all Pros are quad band GSM.
Yes, all of them have 850mhz available. And it's not Chinese, smart guy.
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it specifies that it has an 850 MHz capability:
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz (Band frequency and data speed are operator dependent)
Is this for real? All sites I have checked so far specify that the 850MHz version is not available as yet.
If the information of this site is for real, would it work for AT&T?
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It is for real. Check out the specifications on the main htc website it says exactly the same thing. The Europe/Asia version will work on Verizon, but you won't be able to get WCDMA speeds. The US version has 850/1900 WCDMA, whereas the Europe/Asia version as mentioned on the HTC site has 900/2100. Would be nice if they could make one with all 4 WCDMA's
I have definitely seen some sites that claim the Touch Pro is only Tri-Band, but the HTC site would be the one to go by seeing as they made it an all
WCDMA (3G) is where it differs. All Touch Pro's do NOT have 850mhz WCDMA. You can get service everywhere, but only 3G in areas with 900/2100mhz 3G... AT&T uses 850/1900 for 3G.
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WCDMA (3G) is where it differs. All Touch Pro's do NOT have 850mhz WCDMA. You can get service everywhere, but only 3G in areas with 900/2100mhz 3G... AT&T uses 850/1900 for 3G.
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lol I just saw your last post in the release date thread and edited my response, but I was too slow
Many thanks to all, this was very helpful.
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Yes, all of them have 850mhz available. And it's not Chinese, smart guy.
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No they do not all have it activated, smart guy ....look here at the official Dutch HTC site specs:
http://www.htc.com/nl/product.aspx?id=54146
No 850mhz band... not even for gsm (voice) function. Its a triband not quadband....
And after browsing this forum for weeks now its still not clear to me if the 850mhz band can be activated with just a rom/radio update..... a lot of different opinions in here....
Somebody knows the 'truth'?
t-mobile usa is rolling out with 3g for bands 1700 to 2100
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No they do not all have it activated, smart guy ....look here at the official Dutch HTC site specs:
http://www.htc.com/nl/product.aspx?id=54146
No 850mhz band... not even for gsm (voice) function. Its a triband not quadband....
And after browsing this forum for weeks now its still not clear to me if the 850mhz band can be activated with just a rom/radio update..... a lot of different opinions in here....
Somebody knows the 'truth'?
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First of all, it is a ROM flash, second, their specs page for english used to say triband too but they changed it to quad band...
I have a friend who works for ATT and just tested the new HTC Touch Pro (Raphael) and said that ATT is planning on releasing them in November, code named "ATT Fusion."
Of course, they claim it's real...
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The site Popular Electronics (I have no personal connection of any kind) advertises for sale a 850 MHz Touch pro...
If the information of this site is for real, would it work for AT&T?
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These guys say (of course) they got a few in stock and they sold quickly. These are actually the EUROPE/ASIA version but the rep claims they are Quadband and that 3G works on both AT&T and T-Mobile (US). They are getting more in next week.
http://www.popularelect.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_58&products_id=1026
Hmmmm....who to believe?????
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I have a friend who works for ATT and just tested the new HTC Touch Pro (Raphael) and said that ATT is planning on releasing them in November, code named "ATT Fusion."
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That's interesting. Did he get to take any pictures by any slight chance?
The more I read the more I get confused.....are the phones (if as advertised) in the site mentioned on post 14 likely to be working with ATT 3G?
UMTS/HSDPA for 850/900/1900/2100 on Touch Pro
I also keep on hearing this regarding bands on the Touch Pro. Can the UMTS/HSDPA band be activated for 850/900/1900/2100 by just flashing a custom ROM or changing the Radio Version? Please someone answer this....
This is something i want to know as well. I've been doing quite a bit of searching with no answer as of yet.
I live 40 minutes from Chicago and have asked this company about AT&T, Quad Band, and actual prodoct availability.
If they have them in stock, I will drive to their store, insert my AT&T SIM card and see if it will actually work.
But first, let's see if they respond to my questions.
Good deal...
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I live 40 minutes from Chicago and have asked this company about AT&T, Quad Band, and actual prodoct availability.
If they have them in stock, I will drive to their store, insert my AT&T SIM card and see if it will actually work.
But first, let's see if they respond to my questions.
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Yea...I'm close to these guys too. Actually there are about 5 electronics storefront stores all next door to each other over there on W. Devon in Chicago. I bought my last 4 unlocked GSM phones from that area. Oddly enough, Popular Electronics have NEVER been the first to have any of the phones I wanted. For the past 2 years their usual answer has been "It will be here MONDAY." But "MONDAY" takes months to come!
The guys next door at Overseas Electronics (http://www.welectronics.com/) have always gotten the phones FIRST in that area--including the TyTN II. Even the other store next door to them (http://bargainoffers.com/catalog/default.php) get the hottest GSM phones before Pop Elect. This time though, Overseas say about 3-4 weeks out for the Touch Pro...so I'm really interested to know if Pop Elect actually gets them FOR REAL "by MONDAY" this time.
Please keep us informed. Thanks!!
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Is the HTC Touch Pro able to work on U.S 3G band , if not is there a radio patch that will activate the U.S band on the device. Please help.
This is a very hot topic on this forum but so far from what i've been able to see none of the radios have enabled 3G. This is not to say that 3G isn't supported by the hardware although its looking pretty grim. It appears that the ELITE team is working on this since they just released Hardspl
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This is a very hot topic on this forum but so far from what i've been able to see none of the radios have enabled 3G. This is not to say that 3G isn't supported by the hardware although its looking pretty grim. It appears that the ELITE team is working on this since they just released Hardspl
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We shall see what happens, although the bands are available in the "band" settings tab so it MAY be a radio issue.
Bit early to know yet, as there is only one user here so far who has hold of an AT&T Fuze (RAPH11000) we dont have a huge ammount of detail yet.
Both the newer 1.02.25.31 and 1.02.25.19 radios seem to have similar protocols (same QCT_BOOT and HTC_BOOT), it would be good if any user could flash the (apparently) older 1.02.25.11 radio and see if it does anything?
I really wish i could help out on this 3G front but no 3G in my area...
I can help...
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...Both the newer 1.02.25.31 and 1.02.25.19 radios seem to have similar protocols (same QCT_BOOT and HTC_BOOT), it would be good if any user could flash the (apparently) older 1.02.25.11 radio and see if it does anything?
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I have the 1.02.25.19 radio here in Chicago. I know I have good 3G coverage from my TyTN II that I had previously. But why would you think the OLDER radio (1.02.25.11) would have U.S. 3G? ...jus curious.
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I've installed the radio 1.02.25.11 and no luck with 3G in US ATT. only edge support.
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I tried all the radios listed on the wiki too. None of them worked with 3G.
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I have the 1.02.25.19 radio here in Chicago. I know I have good 3G coverage from my TyTN II that I had previously. But why would you think the OLDER radio (1.02.25.11) would have U.S. 3G? ...jus curious.
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Its bundled with the AT&T ROM which is currently on the AT&T Fuze devices people are testing.
Higher radio version number doesnt necessarily mean a better one, as veterans of the Hermes will verify
The overseas Touch Pro cannot get 3G in the US. Just like the Diamond, the Touch Pro from overseas (RAPH100) does not have a WCDMA 850 radio.
Flash all the radios you guys want... it's not going to get you 3G on the 850 band. You'll have to wait for the US version/ATT Fuze if you're in the US and want 3G data.
Anyone know when AT&T sould release US version/ATT Fuze?
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The overseas Touch Pro cannot get 3G in the US. Just like the Diamond, the Touch Pro from overseas (RAPH100) does not have a WCDMA 850 radio.
Flash all the radios you guys want... it's not going to get you 3G on the 850 band. You'll have to wait for the US version/ATT Fuze if you're in the US and want 3G data.
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Until we have tested newer ROMs and radios that statement is pure speculation. MANY devices have had missing bands and etc...but have had them unlocked in ROM and Radio updates so it is too early to be writing off 3G support yet.
I have a TouchPro coming tomorrow. I called HTC today and (although I have about as much confidence in this as the paper I wrote this on) I was told by a lower level tech (I think he knew what I was talking about) that a "software" upgrade would allow for the European 3G enabled device to work in the US for 3G
... I sure hope so since I forked out the cash today
The Treo 750 didn't even start out 3G capable at all and was made 3G able with a ROM upgrade
Hoping
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Maybe a very stupid question, but what about openning up an eu version to see if the quad radio hardware is there? I would assume the radio chipset would be labeled and numbered so that we would know once and for all.
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I have a TouchPro coming tomorrow. I called HTC today and (although I have about as much confidence in this as the paper I wrote this on) I was told by a lower level tech (I think he knew what I was talking about) that a "software" upgrade would allow for the European 3G enabled device to work in the US for 3G
... I sure hope so since I forked out the cash today
The Treo 750 didn't even start out 3G capable at all and was made 3G able with a ROM upgrade
Hoping
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I sure hope that the HTC tech guy knew what he was talking about! Im want to know before 9/17 so i can either pre order the HTC dream with t-mo (current provider) or switch over to AT&T so i can (hopefully) use 3G with my touch pro
Don't take this the wrong way...
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I tried all the radios listed on the wiki too. None of them worked with 3G.
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...but can we ASSUME you DO in fact KNOW you have 3G coverage in the U.S. area(s) you tested these ROMs?
Not trying to upset or belittle your efforts...just had to ask.
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Maybe a very stupid question, but what about openning up an eu version to see if the quad radio hardware is there? I would assume the radio chipset would be labeled and numbered so that we would know once and for all.
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I thought about this but cracking open a 900 dollar device and completely voiding the warranty really isn't worth it. If someone can get schematic from HTC which i doubt we could see if the hardware is installed.
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The overseas Touch Pro cannot get 3G in the US. Just like the Diamond, the Touch Pro from overseas (RAPH100) does not have a WCDMA 850 radio.
Flash all the radios you guys want... it's not going to get you 3G on the 850 band. You'll have to wait for the US version/ATT Fuze if you're in the US and want 3G data.
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I believe there is an asian hardware version, this is what the HTC techs keep mentioning that might have the 850 3G radio.
I have a case into HTC support asking them to answer the question for me around if the radio is hardware capable of 3G in the US and explained what bands I was talking about and that it was in the software to enable those. I Posed the question as if I was unhappy that I was selecting these bands and it wasnt working to try to get an answer out of them will report back when I am answered one way or another.
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I have a case into HTC support asking them to answer the question for me around if the radio is hardware capable of 3G in the US and explained what bands I was talking about and that it was in the software to enable those. I Posed the question as if I was unhappy that I was selecting these bands and it wasnt working to try to get an answer out of them will report back when I am answered one way or another.
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Just so you know - I sent a similar email to them regarding the 850 band on the Diamond and I was sent a very nice response informing me that the phone I purchased was not intended for the US and did not have the hardware capability to be used on ATT in the US. Low and behold the xda developers made the 850 band work. Now HTC offers a rom upgrade opening the 850 band they said was not in phone. Unfortunately the response you get will not be the definitive answer.
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Until we have tested newer ROMs and radios that statement is pure speculation. MANY devices have had missing bands and etc...but have had them unlocked in ROM and Radio updates so it is too early to be writing off 3G support yet.
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I understand yours and others' reasons for not believing me or assuming it's speculation. All I can say is there will be a lot of effort put forth for no reason, just like with the DIAM100, only to confim that the hardware everyone is trying to unlock isn't even there. If the efforts put forth do nothing more than prove the above to be true, then at the very least people can rest more easily with full confirmation.
As reported by Engadget, it seems almost inevitable that the Raphael will come to AT&T as the Fuze. What made me curious was this part:
The multi faceted HTC FUZE™ is a 3G tri-band HSDPA Windows Mobile smartphone brought to you by AT&T...
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Say what now? Is the description wrong? Because I swore that the Touch Pro only came in dual-band 3G. (In fact, that's a major reason I settled for the iPAQ 614c instead.)
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As reported by Engadget, it seems almost inevitable that the Raphael will come to AT&T as the Fuze. What made me curious was this part:
Say what now? Is the description wrong? Because I swore that the Touch Pro only came in dual-band 3G. (In fact, that's a major reason I settled for the iPAQ 614c instead.)
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that news was first mentioned here buddy
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=417844&page=9
gotta give respect where its due and i think dual band is for the Euro versions. US gets tri-band. don't quote me on that though
Is their source really xda-devs? That's sort of embarassing...
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Is their source really xda-devs? That's sort of embarassing...
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Lol. Yeah. I thought the same thing. A fancy site like engadget. lol
That At&t blub also mention blackberry connect. Is that officially available for Touch Pro yet?
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That At&t blub also mention blackberry connect. Is that officially available for Touch Pro yet?
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i doubt it's available now. i think you may have to wait for the official release
Wow, a follow-up, and just a day later! (Yes, I know, I read too much engadget...)
... the HTC model with code "NM8RPLT" reveals that it's a Raphael, and it sports HSUPA 850 / 1900 ...
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Looks like it's dual-band after all.
no, it just means that the FCC has tested the HTC Touch Pro ONLY on the two 3G bands that were required for ATT and North America.
It is tri-band 3G and will work in Europe, like the Tilt did (at least I'm betting on it.)
Now, if you're looking for the 1700 band used by T-Mobile, then, well...
Hey TreoFred,
How do you know for certain that the Fuze is tri-band hsdpa?
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no, it just means that the FCC has tested the HTC Touch Pro ONLY on the two 3G bands that were required for ATT and North America.
It is tri-band 3G and will work in Europe, like the Tilt did (at least I'm betting on it.)
Now, if you're looking for the 1700 band used by T-Mobile, then, well...
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I took a closer look at the FCC report, and he may be right; they only tested it on the US bands. For example, they only tested GSM bands 850 and 1900, even though we know that that Raph is GSM quad-band.
Would this be a hardware thing or a software thing?
EDIT: Nevermind, guess we don't know yet till someone can get their hands on the ROM or device.