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The next big thing in Mobile Devices

What's it going to be? We've had bluetooth, video calling, mass storage, wifi, gps (and maybe some more my feeble mind can't think of!).
So what is the next 'big' thing? Hi-res TV-out? Cable TV? I'm only guessing random stuff here, i'm nowhere near a guru on such techie things.
It may already be out there, but I just haven't caught on yet?

badaas said:
It may already be out there, but I just haven't caught on yet?
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Thats generally a good assumption. As William Gibson said "The future is here. It's just not evenly distributed yet."
So we can look at things like payment using your mobile phone (very common in Japan), RFID readers in your phone, more cloud-based computing, super-high speed networks (LTE was just demonstated at 170 mb/sec while driving!)
Another up and coming technology are pico-projectors, meaning you can use any vertical surface as a large display.
The most interesting development I have seen recently is data that used to be expensive becoming available for free e.g mapping data now free via google maps and live maps, and of course directory assistance, with every phone number now available via google. This information will be even better organized in the future, with the semantic web, meaning speech recognition will finally have a chance of being able to answer usefully. This can be seen in Live Search, which seems to work pretty well using speech recognition.
Surur

An HTC phone with the proper drivers installed....

badaas said:
What's it going to be? We've had bluetooth, video calling, mass storage, wifi, gps (and maybe some more my feeble mind can't think of!).
So what is the next 'big' thing? Hi-res TV-out? Cable TV? I'm only guessing random stuff here, i'm nowhere near a guru on such techie things.
It may already be out there, but I just haven't caught on yet?
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Nanotechnology mate, that´s the next step
Check this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX-gTobCJHs and http://www.intomobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/google-phone-concept.jpg
and let´s comment about it!
Cheers,

orb3000 said:
Nanotechnology mate, that´s the next step
Check this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX-gTobCJHs and http://www.intomobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/google-phone-concept.jpg
and let´s comment about it!
Cheers,
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Interesting video and amazing concept. Can't see it happening in my lifetime though. It's funny though how mobile phones are being developed at a blistering speed to cater for so much fancy gadgetry, from business applications to media entertainment to incredible touch sensitive screens and ipod type menus, that the reason mobile phones exist, ie, to make phone calls, has almost become the least important bit.

surur said:
Another up and coming technology are pico-projectors, meaning you can use any vertical surface as a large display.
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you know, i saw that on something the other month and totally forgot about it! i do think this should be the next gizmo/addon for sure.
and [email protected]!!! Amen.

orb3000 said:
Nanotechnology mate, that´s the next step
Check this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX-gTobCJHs and http://www.intomobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/google-phone-concept.jpg
and let´s comment about it!
Cheers,
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nano, still not here, remember seeing some pc boffin using his blanket as a pc, then re-arranging it etc. to soemthing else. weren't Apple looking at nano keyboard for iph0n3, where the screen raises up and becomes tactile?

badaas said:
nano, still not here, remember seeing some pc boffin using his blanket as a pc, then re-arranging it etc. to soemthing else. weren't Apple looking at nano keyboard for iph0n3, where the screen raises up and becomes tactile?
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A great quote form surur "The future is here. It's just not evenly distributed yet."
I think is here somewhere at the labs but not to the consumers yet.
But I´m sure that is comming soon...
Multitouch surfaces computers are the begining of it
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T-Mobile G1 IS Capable of Multi-Touch, Demo Video

Question about Multi Touch
First off I dont have a G1 (mostly due to the I get no coverage in my office in NYC)
To my knowledge the G1/Dream can use multitouch but is not used due to legal reasons (iPhone)
So heres question since the google has released the source code, can a programmer make multitouch and apply it over programs like Compas over google maps?
Google releasing source code:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/google-opens-the-floodgates-open-sources-android/

that would be really cool... but I don't think it will be that easy... I might be wrong though.

Further more, it seems nearly impossible for Apple to stand any ground in court, as both the gestures and the hardware were available before Apple crammed it into a device (thinking Jeff Han, Microsoft Surface, Microsoft Research's Multitouchpad (which is not actually a multitouch display, but more a multitouchpad, much like the ones in Apple Macbooks), and probably more). I do however think it would be a smart move for Google to perfect the Android base operating system, release it, having people drool over it, and then finish the multitouch interface and just provide it as a casual update, having people drool just that tad more that you would think to need to actually overwhelm the remaining iPhone users (apart from the Apple-believers who will never 'surrender').

aad4321 said:
As far as i know the type of screen on the g1, it is not possible for multi-touch
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The screen type is the same as the IPhone.

syrusfrost said:
The screen type is the same as the IPhone.
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It is the same touch screen ...but. y do. Some people want multitouch ???? I don't get it I thought that using ur device with one hand or even better one finger was the goal

dan0zone said:
It is the same touch screen ...but. y do. Some people want multitouch ???? I don't get it I thought that using ur device with one hand or even better one finger was the goal
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Personally I like single touch, I was just pointing out an erroneous statement. The hardware is there, it is an IP issue.

syrusfrost said:
Personally I like single touch, I was just pointing out an erroneous statement. The hardware is there, it is an IP issue.
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But if someone makes an api/cab/arm/whatever releases it as freeware on the internet who can Apple go after? isohunt/rapidshare/hundreds of hundreds of web hosting sites on the net?
BTW multi touch on a touchpad on a laptop is possible on the EEE pc same manufacturer as Macs so its not apple's IP. Multitouch is also possible on winmo there is a program that uses it for the kaiser but it has no use at all.

OmniMoAK said:
But if someone makes an api/cab/arm/whatever releases it as freeware on the internet who can Apple go after? isohunt/rapidshare/hundreds of hundreds of web hosting sites on the net?
BTW multi touch on a touchpad on a laptop is possible on the EEE pc same manufacturer as Macs so its not apple's IP. Multitouch is also possible on winmo there is a program that uses it for the kaiser but it has no use at all.
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what progam is that

OmniMoAK said:
But if someone makes an api/cab/arm/whatever releases it as freeware on the internet who can Apple go after? isohunt/rapidshare/hundreds of hundreds of web hosting sites on the net?
BTW multi touch on a touchpad on a laptop is possible on the EEE pc same manufacturer as Macs so its not apple's IP. Multitouch is also possible on winmo there is a program that uses it for the kaiser but it has no use at all.
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Shoot if you write one send it to me, I'll spam it anonymously and spread it so hard and fast Apple wont be able to get it taken down till it's all over the android scene. I can get it out without revealing myself
U stolz my multi-touch!? O noes!

Multitouch
I Googled around a bit and came across a couple of sites that reported that the G1 hardware does in fact support multitouch but as mentioned the software does not include the feature because it would result in legal action by Apple. There were Youtube videos with demonstrations that proved the hardware was capable of it. sorry, can't remember the address of the site.
Lets hope somebody adds this feature as a plug-in very soon!

Byte_76 said:
I Googled around a bit and came across a couple of sites that reported that the G1 hardware does in fact support multitouch but as mentioned the software does not include the feature because it would result in legal action by Apple. There were Youtube videos with demonstrations that proved the hardware was capable of it. sorry, can't remember the address of the site.
Lets hope somebody adds this feature as a plug-in very soon!
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Actually the in the touch diamond and pro although the screen is not capacitive the wheel area is.. on the g1 the whole screen is capacitive like the iphone so the technology is there.
hopefully the technology is utilized some time soon, i dont know the specifics on the iphone patent, but i doubt if any one developer would be interested in the legal ramifications. open it up and see what others can do.
check out a multitouch vid here!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3Owgcos_KY

haroonie said:
Actually the in the touch diamond and pro although the screen is not capacitive the wheel area is.. on the g1 the whole screen is capacitive like the iphone so the technology is there.
hopefully the technology is utilized some time soon, i dont know the specifics on the iphone patent, but i doubt if any one developer would be interested in the legal ramifications. open it up and see what others can do.
check out a multitouch vid here!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3Owgcos_KY
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That would be sweet. The apple patent is (I believe) just an application at this point. Besides even if they get one it would be BS and I'd have no problem violating it. Actually I wouldn't care if it was legit, I'd still violate it if I could.
Now we just have to wait for someone, smarter than me for sure, to figure out if it can be done and make a driver for it.

but apple didnt invent multi touch, its like saying only the first manufacturer to use a touchscreen could use it, if anyone else did they would get sued

More confirmation of the G1 hardware capability of multitouch!
http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f7/some-good-videos-on-engaget-of-g1-multi-touch-confirmed-708/

rorydaredkign said:
but apple didnt invent multi touch, its like saying only the first manufacturer to use a touchscreen could use it, if anyone else did they would get sued
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agreed. i believe apple is only filing for an application patent on the 'pinch' feature to zoom in on the iphone.
forget that, i want the g1 app to let me make up my own multi touch gesture to zoom in! imagine "swirling" your finger on the screen to zoom in and out at different %'s, that'd be crazy

I want to be able to point twice (double click type gesture) to zoom in.
Those zoom buttons are bugging the hell out of me. Multi touch would also be nice.

you have my vote on the multitouch... is it part of the source? can we just recompile android with multitouch? or would it be a kernel level thing?

Apple patented the GESTURES "pinch" and "spread" on a handheld device, there isn't any reason you can't have multitouch hardware or multitouch in the OS, you just can't use pinch and spread.
At least that's how it was explained to me.

so its just he gestures??
ok this is going to be hard to explain, but here goes:
then how about one finger stays static (bottom left or right) and the other go out wards (think bow and arrow movement for resizing)
But again if multi touch could get written into the OS/apps I really doubt anyone of would care about Apple patents, just be sure to spam the world with download sites so word gets out.

OmniMoAK said:
so its just he gestures??
ok this is going to be hard to explain, but here goes:
then how about one finger stays static (bottom left or right) and the other go out wards (think bow and arrow movement for resizing)
But again if multi touch could get written into the OS/apps I really doubt anyone of would care about Apple patents, just be sure to spam the world with download sites so word gets out.
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One problem. Killswitch.
Google mentioned they have the ability to remove apps, and will do so at their discretion. This is mostly in place to protect us from malicious software. If a multitouch app is released, and Apple finds out, and Apple is able to successfully get an injunction... they could force Google to use the killswitch to remove it.

Star Walk App

Hi
I have seen the Star Walk iphone app and it looks amazing i went to the site and they have an older version thats it out for our phone but it keeps crashing i think it is to do with wm6.1 and the app is for 6.1, Is there any other software that does the same thing out there i have looked but could not find oat

jsmith_00 said:
Hi
I have seen the Star Walk iphone app and it looks amazing i went to the site and they have an older version thats it out for our phone but it keeps crashing i think it is to do with wm6.1 and the app is for 6.1, Is there any other software that does the same thing out there i have looked but could not find oat
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if you want someone to help you, then please state what the app "star walk" actually does

its an app for looking at the stars, it using gps and then tells u wot starts are above u

Sorry buddies,
it's the same old problem of any applications written for multi-type devices , starwalk for Iphone has one only hw configuration , so the developer can write code for a specific target (eg. the compass , fundamental for that use more than gps).
The version for windows mobile is old and not scalable for WVGA resolution , it freezes when you try to set your location ... the only work around is to set the VGA res. of the HD2 with a tool , but the graphic becomes orrible.
We have to wait for the next release to have this bug fixed , but anybody really thinks that Vito Tech. will spend time and money to fix an app for a dead OS like WM 6.5 , they will wait for WM7 , this's my opinion.
HD2 is the best at the moment ... but the apps written for this device are less than 20 , WM7 will give us the chance to have an increment of the apps for devices like HD2 , thanks to the elevation of the hw specifics required.
Bye

there's this one:
http://iwindowsmobile.com/astronavigator.html

shutdown said:
there's this one:
http://iwindowsmobile.com/astronavigator.html
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thanks the one i have, and have probs with

Yeah it works fine until you activate the GPS then it crashes... Quite a shame seeing as it used to work perfectly on the Diamond.

Stella Theater Pocket
I'm using Stella Theatre Pocket ver 1.30 and it works great on my Leo. Graphics is good, relatively finger friendly although the menu options are a bit small. Still easy to use with a lot of features.

pippopluto1970 said:
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HD2 is the best at the moment ... but the apps written for this device are less than 20 , WM7 will give us the chance to have an increment of the apps for devices like HD2 , thanks to the elevation of the hw specifics required.
Bye
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and that's written here...
in marketplace there's perhaps 20 apps... but there are 1000s of applications for 6.5 / hd2 (serious applications ) in the www and especially here at xda-devs...
And let's see if wm7 with all the restrictions will ever have a convenient marketplace. for wm6.5 you will find enough apps, if you only search for.And much are free,too.
So I don't see,that 6.5 is dead.and ms will still further develop it.
if you want to pay for the convenience not to search here or in google, then hope for wm7...or buy iPhone If you want an individual device with much apps but without a useful marketplace - then 6.5-device (btw: ever looked for "openmarket" ? )
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MichelDiamond said:
and that's written here...
in marketplace there's perhaps 20 apps... but there are 1000s of applications for 6.5 / hd2 (serious applications ) in the www and especially here at xda-devs...
And let's see if wm7 with all the restrictions will ever have a convenient marketplace. for wm6.5 you will find enough apps, if you only search for.And much are free,too.
So I don't see,that 6.5 is dead.and ms will still further develop it.
if you want to pay for the convenience not to search here or in google, then hope for wm7...or buy iPhone If you want an individual device with much apps but without a useful marketplace - then 6.5-device (btw: ever looked for "openmarket" ? )
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Microsoft marketplace is nothing respect Apple Store , everybody knows it ; but it doesn't matter , it has a lot of margins of improvement ...
About the 1000 serious apps for hd2 I don't see them , how many apps are really touch-oriented ???? Still pocket star 6.1 is a serious app but is not written for our device ...
How many geotagging apps for wm 6.5 are touch-oriented + use the compass and are for WVGA resolution ???
I'm sorry to say it , but microsoft is loosing a lot of piece of market either of devices than of software developers that are not encouraged to develope new apps for this os ...
Increasing the hw requirement to reach the ones into the HD2 is the only way to standardize the software and to improve it , device builder will expand the resolution of the new models , will use all the capacitivity tech for the screens that means touch-oriented ... and so on ; that's why I hope in new WM7 , just for that ... I don't believe it will change completely how to use a mobile device , but it will make something that sounds as standard , at the moment the Tytn II is still the most wm smartphone sold in Europe in hystorical selling , very distant from the HD2 , ehh ???

@pippopluto1970:
I agree with you, that Apple Store has a lot of margins of improvement, first.
E.G. they could relax the restrictions...
Second, there is one small difference, between the Apple and MS, and this is the principle:
IF, and only IF all of the smartphones will have SAME specification, you can think about the standard.
If you want to buy Apple phone, your choice will be: iPhone or IPhone. Of course, you can have third option: iPhone, but this is exclusive, for the chosen customers only. Very Wide range of models, indeed.
So, sorry, mate, but when I'll be bored by my HD2, I'd like to have some options, other than another HD2, maybe some new Samsung? Acer? Or whatever will be DIFFERENT.
Standardization was very good in the age of Ford-T, but later was not so effective.

spamtrash said:
Standardization was very good in the age of Ford-T, but later was not so effective.
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That's a rather silly generalization...
Would you like a pile of VHS and Betamax tapes? HD-DVDs and Blu-Rays? Of course not!
Standardization isn't always a good thing but it can be.

What a treasure this forum is !
I was desperately looking for an astronomy app (and I know HOW to google) and thanks ! You gave me the hint for Stella Theatre 1.3
Still would like to know if astronavigator definitely crashes on the HD2. Can u use download as trial and if it works THEN pay or do You have to pay before 1st launch ? (interface looks nice, would be willing to pay if it works flawless)

NeoGreendawg said:
That's a rather silly generalization...
Would you like a pile of VHS and Betamax tapes? HD-DVDs and Blu-Rays? Of course not!
Standardization isn't always a good thing but it can be.
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Of course, I'd like. I like to have DVD's copied into net HD, which I can play on any TV set in home, because watching BR on 20inches TV in the kitchen is pointless, while if I want to see the additional features, or if I want to see HD movie in living room, I'm using the BR disc.
Emmm... going to the PC, which I think is closer: I'm still preferring the PC with plenty of configurations and possibilities over the configurations and "wide" choice of dedicated features given by Apple iPad. Let's say: I'd like to expant or replace the HD, battery or graphic card.
Similarly, I prefer plenty of the mp3 players over the iPod choice (let's say: I don't want to instal few hundreds MB application, connected to the web, to upload one single mp3 to my device).
Going to the phones and your example:
What is the discussion about? If you'll like the standard, and don't want to have choice between options... well, first: Apple iPhone is the best for you.
Second: XDA principle, to CUSTOMIZE, and to develop new, breaking standards apps and features, is definitely not for you.
Why to choose between the plenty of calendars, if you already have one, standard, supplied with the phone?
Why to digg after the non-standard, modified, Today screen?
Why to look after additional, non-standard software?
All of the above, you have supplied in the beloved by you standard version, with the phone.
I hope, that above is detailed enough for you.

@spamtrash
You obviously can't read very well because I never said that I wanted everything to be standardized, I simply said that in some cases it was a good thing. You completely ignored my point about competing formats where one of the two eventually died out leaving early adopters with an expensive but worthless pile of junk.
Even your example about calendars is completely idiotic if you think about it in a larger sense... How would you go about your day to day business if it's Saturday, May 29th for you and Beetlebum, Camel the the oighteenth for someone else?
You're just another rebel without a cause who can't appreciate that some things are better off standardized.

@NeoGreendawg:
Sorry, but your approach that EVERYBODY needs the day to day business doing, particularly on the phone, is completely idiotic.
More idiotic is pointing that this is good that HD DVD died, leaving the monopoly of BD, without any competition, having the "only one proper" standard. The consequence is visible in the shops, that the BD discs are slightly more expensive now (when the standard is matured, but without the competitor) then it was previously, when HD DVD was on the next shelf.
And, finally, I'm not a rebel. I have grown in the country, where in the shops it was only one washing machine type, two or three car types (you can google and compare the differences between the Zaporozhetz, Lada 1300, Fiat 125p to have closer look on the choice in the late 70's and early 80's), two or three TV sets etc. I just have enough experience with the communism, when the Sun of Carpathia, Father of the Nation, or another idiot got an idea that everybody wants to have standardised thing.
Sadly for you, it was the Solidarnosc in Poland, Berlin Wall is crushed, and Ceaucescu has left his palace, not mentioning the there is no USRR anymore.
You must be sad ...

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Sorry, but your approach that EVERYBODY needs the day to day business doing, particularly on the phone, is completely idiotic.
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Yet again, learn how to read, I was extrapolating and not even speaking about the phone in what you are referring to... Secondly, without some standards (say working from 9 to 5) people wouldn't be able to get along with one another so easily and nobody would be as productive.
I also never said that HD-DVD or Betamax deserved to die out, but they did and it's not some disgruntled person from an ex-Soviet state who's looking for a utopia which simply doesn't exist like yourself who's going to bring them back (for better or worse)...
And third and finally, no, I'm not sad, I'm just angry that you're incapability to read and understand English has lead you to repeatedly misunderstand what I've been saying.
Anyway, we're way OT... Sorry about that. PM me if you want to continue this...

Sorry, but I don't communicate properly with the communists.
Secondary, I'd like to avoid the discussion to with the brain disabilities as advanced as yours, that they are thinking that the communism was only in the Soviet Union.
I don't know, maybe this is an education lack of geography in the Primary School, taken by the Greenpeace...
And: finally, sorry for my english, I live in UK since last 6mths only, invited by the silly company who want to break the standards and asked me to correct the way of thinking some of the company poorly educated staff... After all, if the RR personnel understands what I mean, there is still possibility, that you will as well, but start from the geography first. Then, maths maybe.

Thank you spam,
you made me laugh a lot so this is quite a good start in the day. Incredibly, you are turning a conversation about astronomy programs in an anticommunist-hate-race that would make old McCarthy smile - and by the way - yes saying that standardization CAN bring benefits sure is a true and real proof that Neo is one of these damned Commies ..... Gotta get your rifle, do you????

getting back on stream . . .
I like Pocket Stars:
http://nomadelectronics.com/PocketPC/PocketStars/default.aspx

Interesting article on Missing Apps for Honeycomb

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9218075/Mystery_of_the_missing_Honeycomb_apps
Really good, looks like they did their homework...not that I feel much better about hoping more apps come along shortly after reading this-lol
Question: Tegra Zone is mentioned as a place to, also, get apps. Is anyone familiar with them as in do I have to be rooted, etc....I've never heard of them.

sunsetbay said:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9218075/Mystery_of_the_missing_Honeycomb_apps
Really good, looks like they did their homework...not that I feel much better about hoping more apps come along after reading this-lol
Question: Tegra Zone is mentioned as a place to, also, get apps. Is anyone familiar with them as in do I have to be rooted, etc....I've never heard of them.
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They sure did, and as you say...there won't be a rush for more apps on the market.
For the tegra zone:
You do not need to have your TF rooted. It's listed at googlemarket
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.nvidia.tegrazone&feature=search_result

sparven89 said:
They sure did, and as you say...there won't be a rush for more apps on the market.
For the tegra zone:
You do not need to have your TF rooted. It's listed at googlemarket
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.nvidia.tegrazone&feature=search_result
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Thanks for the reply, sparven89
I think I will give this app a try and I see they have a couple of games I might want to try.
Thanks!

I enjoy crapshooting and refunding apps. I bought over 500 apps, refunded over 300. It is a fun process

frosty5689 said:
I enjoy crapshooting and refunding apps. I bought over 500 apps, refunded over 300. It is a fun process
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+1, if only Google gave you a bit more than 15 minutes before you could refund the app you don't want .

Yup it's odd how Google are known for their great search engine, yet have the worst search function ever in the android market. I don't buy that bit in the article about there not being enough demand for developers to want to create apps for HC though. There's loads of demand for apps in just about every section (other than for twitter, enough already!).

Everyone,
I found another new article about Android apps vs HP Touchpad having 400 at release on July 1st - (Android around 200+):
"Does the HP TouchPad Have More Tablet Apps Than Android?" (Apparently it may have and how they did it...yet I wonder if this is true)
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2387999,00.asp
I do like this part in the article "Google, as I've said before, wouldn't comment. But I've heard through the grapevine that they're working on improvements for the Android Market—it's just nothing they'll confirm. It's an obvious move, though."
On the personal side, I love my TF and number of apps isn't an issue for me-I have plenty(s). But, I am following the posts of others and some apps they want, so I find the whole subject interesting.
Google has so much riding on this...changes have to coming shortly that helps the developers and what they're waiting for. Well, just my 2 cents(s) and interesting to follow.

frosty5689 said:
I enjoy crapshooting and refunding apps. I bought over 500 apps, refunded over 300. It is a fun process
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jonitfcfan said:
+1, if only Google gave you a bit more than 15 minutes before you could refund the app you don't want .
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Seems more behind the scenes on this front happening, at least in Taiwan:
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2011/07/01/2003507141
Apple is complying with Taiwan's 7 day refund policy on their stores and Google
has pulled their paid apps, so far, rather than comply...well!?? Google has to July 14th, certainly hope they don't handle it like this.
I agree with you both 100% that 15 minutes is not enough time. I've already
been caught on an app Moon+Reader Pro $4.99 causing my screen to flash repeatedly when I used the Text to Speech, so I immediately deleted it.
Since it took me almost an hour to get to this point, I wrote the developer for a refund...very polite & I'd be willing to try again if it was fixed. I waited 3 days and no response, then I left a 1 star review in the marketplace, again polite & details.
My review days later never showed up either. Call me skeptic, but I have wondered if I was censored by the 1 star rating & possibly because I said the developer hadn't responded to refund request...ah, guess that's a clue-lol.
So what are you going to do, just being honest & following the rules Google set in place, didn't work for me.
Shame because other's experience is what I reply on when purchasing an app.
Actually, this has been my one and only problem. But, it was a biggie the way it fell through the cracks when I actually asked for a refund.

sunsetbay said:
Seems more behind the scenes on this front happening, at least in Taiwan:
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2011/07/01/2003507141
Apple is complying with Taiwan's 7 day refund policy on their stores and Google
has pulled their paid apps, so far, rather than comply...well!?? Google has to July 14th, certainly hope they don't handle it like this.
I agree with you both 100% that 15 minutes is not enough time. I've already
been caught on an app Moon+Reader Pro $4.99 causing my screen to flash repeatedly when I used the Text to Speech, so I immediately deleted it.
Since it took me almost an hour to get to this point, I wrote the developer for a refund...very polite & I'd be willing to try again if it was fixed. I waited 3 days and no response, then I left a 1 star review in the marketplace, again polite & details.
My review days later never showed up either. Call me skeptic, but I have wondered if I was censored by the 1 star rating & possibly because I said the developer hadn't responded to refund request...ah, guess that's a clue-lol.
So what are you going to do, just being honest & following the rules Google set in place, didn't work for me.
Shame because other's experience is what I reply on when purchasing an app.
Actually, this has been my one and only problem. But, it was a biggie the way it fell through the cracks when I actually asked for a refund.
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am i being daft ? ive got no 'optimised for tablet' section in my market app ????

wilbur-force said:
am i being daft ? ive got no 'optimised for tablet' section in my market app ????
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I'm not aware of anything like this either. Is there supposed to be one ?

I think the tablet section is only for the USA.

Damn those Yanks, getting everything first...well, almost .

Misleading
There are several things mentioned in the article (like every other article decrying the state of HC apps) that are false or misleading:
The number of Honeycomb-optimized apps remains in the low hundreds. By comparison, there are over 100,000 apps optimized for the iPad.
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Of course the iPad has been out for a full year longer, that number was much lower three months after its release (which is approximately how long its been since the Xoom was released). It looks like it was about 10,000 based on a quick googling. That's quite a big difference from 100,000 (like, an order of magnitude).
There is also the question of how they are counting these "Honeycomb-optimized apps". There is no provision in the market, or in the metadata that describes an app to determine if it is "optimized" or not. Unless a developer explicitly denies the app for a certain screen size, a certain device, or requires a feature that the device doesn't have, then it will most likely run. If its just a question of "will it run?" then we have tens (maybe hundreds) of thousands of Honeycomb apps. Beyond that, where can you draw the line to say that an app is "optimized"? This is a subjective question that can't be used as the basis for such an empirical evaluation.
I can offer my own apps (linked in sig) as an anecdotal example. Both worked on day one on Honeycomb, with no changes needed. All the text and graphics were crisp, clean and appropriately sized. They did not look ugly, just not as efficiently designed as they could have. Shortly after HC dropped, I updated them with a minor change to make use of the native Action Bar in HC for menu items. The rest of the UI (mostly list views), while great for a small phone screen, wastes a lot of space on a tablet screen that is several times larger. I'm currently working on refactoring the UI components into fragments, to improve the HC experience. At this point, all the fragments are in, and working, but I have not yet implemented a new activity/layout for HC devices which will make use of the extra screen space to place multiple fragments on the screen at once. At what point is my app then "optimized"? Day one (when it worked)? Once it made use of the action bar (more consistent UI)? When it was refactored into fragments (easier to detect this automatically)? Or when I add separate layouts that make use of a larger screen's real estate (most of us would say this is "optimized", but the point is we don't have any way to tell besides looking at it and making a judgement).
All Android 2.x apps will run on Android 3.x, but oftentimes the text just looks awkwardly small and clunky; this is because the Android SDK does not automatically scale fonts, so developers must create their own code to get their fonts to scale up or down within their apps, which can be extremely tricky.
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As long as fonts are specified in "sp" (scale independent pixels) units, this happens automatically.
When graphics are involved, you must use higher-resolution graphics and program them to be scalable, so that when they are on a larger screen they won't become pixilated. However, this requires the size of your app to be larger, and it may put more of a strain on the device's processor.
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Nope. Having different resources for different screen densities or sizes is well documented and as easy as putting them in specially named folders. This was already done to make apps look good on LDPI, MDPI, and HDPI devices. It does increase the size of the app, but it will have virtually no performance penalty.
Many pundits have speculated that perhaps the holdup is in anticipation of Ice Cream Sandwich, which will theoretically merge Android's phone and tablet platforms, helping to end fragmentation, and which is due to arrive this fall.
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Even if this were true, its not the release of ICS developers are waiting on, but the point where adoption is widespread enough that they can safely drop support for previous versions (this wont happen for quite a while, as we've seen from the last several releases of Android).
To the author's credit, they acknowledge this and state that none of the developers they talked to felt this was a roadblock, but I have seen other articles promoting this idea.
This article was one of the more fair and balanced looks at the subject I have seen, but still upholds some myths about Android app development. The fact is, most any app that was built following the Android UI guidelines worked and looked fine without any changes for Honeycomb. Their UI may just not have been the most efficient for a tablet sized screen. In comparison, iPhone apps, using the 2x scaling on the iPad, look pretty terrible. This, combined with faster hardware adoption by consumers, is what prompted developers to port more apps to the iPad quicker than we are seeing for Honeycomb. The fact that my apps looked "good enough" on HC is why I didn't feel like there was much of a rush to put in the work to "optimize" them. Google made the right call by making Android as resolution/density agnostic as possible, as opposed to iOS's initial assumption of a single screen size and resolution. While iOS developers had to scramble to get iPad optimized versions of their apps out quickly, Android developers are able to take their time and (hopefully) do it right. There will be more HC "optimized" apps, as more tablets are sold, and more developers decide its worth their time to invest in it.

maxpower47, Thank you as a developer jumping in and adding clarification. I've reread your post several times and now I'm clearer on understanding the article and difference between optimized and 'working apps' as the article seemed to implied to be very low in number.
"Even if this were true, its not the release of ICS developers are waiting on, but the point where adoption is widespread enough that they can safely drop support for previous versions (this wont happen for quite a while, as we've seen from the last several releases of Android).
To the author's credit, they acknowledge this and state that none of the developers they talked to felt this was a roadblock, but I have seen other articles promoting this idea."
Interesting!
"This article was one of the more fair and balanced looks at the subject I have seen, but still upholds some myths about Android app development. The fact is, most any app that was built following the Android UI guidelines worked and looked fine without any changes for Honeycomb."
This sure is a myth that I was holding, so again I appreciate your contribution to understanding this better...much appreciated!

sunsetbay said:
Everyone,
I found another new article about Android apps vs HP Touchpad having 400 at release on July 1st - (Android around 200+):
"Does the HP TouchPad Have More Tablet Apps Than Android?" (Apparently it may have and how they did it...yet I wonder if this is true)
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2387999,00.asp
I do like this part in the article "Google, as I've said before, wouldn't comment. But I've heard through the grapevine that they're working on improvements for the Android Market—it's just nothing they'll confirm. It's an obvious move, though."
On the personal side, I love my TF and number of apps isn't an issue for me-I have plenty(s). But, I am following the posts of others and some apps they want, so I find the whole subject interesting.
Google has so much riding on this...changes have to coming shortly that helps the developers and what they're waiting for. Well, just my 2 cents(s) and interesting to follow.
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Android SDK sucks balls.
WebOS SDK does not.
Result = More WebOS apps.

JCopernicus said:
Android SDK sucks balls.
WebOS SDK does not.
Result = More WebOS apps.
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Um, er... what? More webOS apps than Android apps? In which universe?
I'll tell you, I stuck with webOS for 18 months before giving up because the app situation over there is such a mess. I think there's still only about 6,000 official (non-homebrew) apps for webOS, and many (most?) of those don't run on the TouchPad outside of a silly little emulation window. And there's as much junk in the webOS App Catalog as there are good apps. I think the only category with good apps is Twitter clients, which is why you'll find most webOS entusiasts constantly talking about the latest Twitter app.
I'm also astounded that there are only 300 or so TouchPad-optimized apps, given that HP is the world's largest tech company and has a huge vested interest in seeing webOS succeed. Couldn't they do SOMETHING to get more apps written before launching the TouchPad?
My golly, but saying that the webOS SDK being good (which is hugely debatable, given all of the SDK's limitations since webOS was announced) resulting in more webOS apps is just laughable. I have thousands of apps available for my TF, across every major category. If I were to swap my TF for a TouchPad, I'd be giving up a wide variety of useful apps and would essentially give up most of the value of owning a tablet.
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk

I meant in terms of "tablet" apps.
(which I know just means XL v11 support).

maxpower47 said:
Or when I add separate layouts that make use of a larger screen's real estate (most of us would say this is "optimized", but the point is we don't have any way to tell besides looking at it and making a judgement).
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This is definitely "Optimized" to me. As much as function is important, I think it's equally as important for an app to utilize screen real-estate properly.
The fact is, most any app that was built following the Android UI guidelines worked and looked fine without any changes for Honeycomb. Their UI may just not have been the most efficient for a tablet sized screen. In comparison, iPhone apps, using the 2x scaling on the iPad, look pretty terrible. This, combined with faster hardware adoption by consumers, is what prompted developers to port more apps to the iPad quicker than we are seeing for Honeycomb. The fact that my apps looked "good enough" on HC is why I didn't feel like there was much of a rush to put in the work to "optimize" them. Google made the right call by making Android as resolution/density agnostic as possible, as opposed to iOS's initial assumption of a single screen size and resolution. While iOS developers had to scramble to get iPad optimized versions of their apps out quickly, Android developers are able to take their time and (hopefully) do it right. There will be more HC "optimized" apps, as more tablets are sold, and more developers decide its worth their time to invest in it.
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This all makes a lot of sense.
What doesn't make sense, as a consumer, though... there is no way for us to search for apps that *are* optimized for tablets. Even with "optimized" being hard to define, there needs to be a way for a user to head into the market and search for apps that work nicely on their tablet. It kills me that I have to depend on forums to find apps that fit my screen well.

HA!!!
I just find what I like from my phone and use that.
Or I think of other things to be done with my amazement machine I: study, download, try, and if I like it buy! If your not an informed consumer then you dont belong on android anyways. Sorry if that sounds crass, but if you want someone to tell you what to by then by all means have fun following the heard.

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HA!!!
I just find what I like from my phone and use that.
Or I think of other things to be done with my amazement machine I: study, download, try, and if I like it buy! If your not an informed consumer then you dont belong on android anyways. Sorry if that sounds crass, but if you want someone to tell you what to by then by all means have fun following the heard.
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*I* am obviously fine, as I'm here and other places researching apps.
But from a general user population point of view, it's extremely consumer unfriendly to not have a way to find "native" (using that term loosely) apps for your new "hot" products.
Also, there is no reason to be rude about it, imo. It's simply an opinion on customer service, which I think Google has a poor track record of, unfortunately.
Honeycomb is absolutely great, some of the tablets released also great (I love my TF).... but the Android Market needs some serious work, imo, especially in terms of the search engine (ironic hah).

First Time Post

Hello all. First time post. Let me start off by thanking you for accepting me into this fine community.
I had to chuckle while reading some excellent posts on the good and bad points when it came to some of the performance and features of the Infinity.
The reason for the chuckle was because I had this forum opened in one tab of my browser, and Amazon opened in another. I had actually been looking over the contents on my shopping cart. In it was one(1) ASUS Infinity tablet. I placed the item there a few days ago, but for some reason I couldn't get myself to hit the "Submit Order" button. Something just didn't feel right about the purchase. The decision over which tablet to choose is becoming more and more confusing. With talk about what may or may not be available in the not too distant future re: New iPad, Windows 8, etc etc really has me hesitating at this juncture.
My two daughters each purchased the new iPad so at least I have an opportunity to get a feel of what that product has to offer. Unfortunately, detaching them from their new toy has been a struggle all its own. One of the main reasons for my looking at products other than Apple is that their products seems SO proprietary.
In any case, I think that I will keep visiting this forum for a while longer before I make a final decision as to which tablet to choose. My apologies for the long-winded post. Peter

Hi Peter,
Deciding what Tablet you want for yourself is a very personal decision. If you really don't care about the environment (iOS vs Android) and are just a casual user - I do have a recommendation. At the risk of being flamed, I would say to get an iPad.
It comes down to this: Apps make the ecosystem. While android is gaining in applications and games, and just put out a huge checklist for Tablet developers, apple has a better application and gaming experience for the average user. You are absolutely subject to the proprietary OS, but most people don't care. It's good enough.
I love android (and I suspect that many others do as well) for a few reasons. It's mine. It's fully customizable and I can but really cool community built OS's Recovieries, etc on it. I've learned a lot about how devices work and the things most people don't see. That said, I've had my share of problems too. Many users don't know enough and brick their devices trying to do something that sounds cool but they don't fully understand. If you're a casual user there is no need to get caught up in it. Apple does in fact set the standard for hardware and Android will briefly surpass it, but it's always a tight race. Also, there are a lot more accessories for the iPad then any tablet device. I also love it because I enjoy pushing the envelope and making things better. Finally I love the community around android. It's awesome that I see the same usernames popping up across our little section of XDA helping each other out, supporting each other, joking around, and disagreeing even. It's fun.
Also, for the casual user you can go to a nearby apple store and get your issues fixed if you mess something up.
The first decision you make should be an ecosystem/environmental one. Also, if you don't have itunes there is a bit of a learning curve. I don't think that Apple products have that "intuitive feel" everyone claims. Android just seems harder because there is more customization that can take place.
Before I get flamed - I'm not advocating for Apple or the iPad, but I am advocating for really thinking about what kind of device you want and what you want to get out of it before you make your decision.
Good luck and if you have you have more questions, we're happy to help!

Osteele said:
Hello all. First time post. Let me start off by thanking you for accepting me into this fine community.
I had to chuckle while reading some excellent posts on the good and bad points when it came to some of the performance and features of the Infinity.
The reason for the chuckle was because I had this forum opened in one tab of my browser, and Amazon opened in another. I had actually been looking over the contents on my shopping cart. In it was one(1) ASUS Infinity tablet. I placed the item there a few days ago, but for some reason I couldn't get myself to hit the "Submit Order" button. Something just didn't feel right about the purchase. The decision over which tablet to choose is becoming more and more confusing. With talk about what may or may not be available in the not too distant future re: New iPad, Windows 8, etc etc really has me hesitating at this juncture.
My two daughters each purchased the new iPad so at least I have an opportunity to get a feel of what that product has to offer. Unfortunately, detaching them from their new toy has been a struggle all its own. One of the main reasons for my looking at products other than Apple is that their products seems SO proprietary.
In any case, I think that I will keep visiting this forum for a while longer before I make a final decision as to which tablet to choose. My apologies for the long-winded post. Peter
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You are welcome here, whatever you decide, but if you go with another tablet or OS, please don't come and tease us about how much better/faster/cooler yours is than ours. that really gets on my nerves, lol!
But I'm sure you would never do that.
I would advocate that if you are interested in customising your tablet, the Infinity is a good one. First of all, it has a beautiful screen, will continue to receive firmware/OS updates and is finally starting to be well supported by some of the best developers in the Android ecosystem. Personally, I don't care about iOS on any level. It's far to closed a system for me, too limited. My Infinity , running CleanROM v1.3 with TWRP 2.3.0.0. recovery absolutely flies. It is super fluid and very powerful. I keep it connected to its keyboard dock and I take it off the charger at 5:30 a.m. and never have to charge again though 17 hour day of almost constant use. Much of that use is internet browsing and with the CleanROM tweaks, the stock browser performs incredibly well. I also have a flawless tablet and dock. Never any problems. I also take care of it, but nothing out of the ordinary...just keep it in its case...don't drop it or spill on it.
I've been using it instead of a laptop, and it just about replaces my desktop. Browsing is actually faster on the Infinity, and watching videos is a lot nicer. I haven't used the HDMI port, so I can't comment on it, but having the micro sd, the fullsize sd and full size USB ports means I never have to worry about not having enough storage...my 750GB WD Passport works perfectly in the USB port. That's a lot of movies.
Well, I know some people are worried about unlocking and voiding their asus warranty in order to flash custom software, but I found that a 2 year square deal warranty with accidental damage coverage works better for me anyway. It cost me $99, but I found out later that with a coupon I could have saved $30. Oh well.
Anyway, good luck with your decision!

wolfman87 said:
Hi Peter,
Deciding what Tablet you want for yourself is a very personal decision. If you really don't care about the environment (iOS vs Android) and are just a casual user - I do have a recommendation. At the risk of being flamed, I would say to get an iPad.
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Thank you so much for the quick response wolfman87. I wish that I could say that you've helped me move closer my ultimate decision. But of course you are absolutely right about that decision being a very personal one.
I suppose that there are so many factors that one may have to consider. It's so bizarre because I have been in IT for quite a while now and whenever a client asks for a quote on a new piece of hardware for example, the first question that I ask is: What exactly do you plan on doing with this new piece of hardware?
A liitle bit about myself:
Spend most of my time in a Windows client / server environment. (For better or worse my clients have dictated my skill-level)
Which is probably the reason that I am always looking to learn new things. Lately that has been:
Ubuntu desktop and server.
Virtual PBX (freePBX and Asterisk and PIAF)
Video Tutorials. Everything from Linux, jQuery, ASP .NET, Visual Studio, javascript.
Some of the things that I would like for a tablet to be able to do for me:
Receive and send email. Multiple Microsoft Exchange accounts required.
Connect remotely to client machines.
Browse the internet (many sites still require Flash)
Read all of the epub and pdf material that I now have sitting on my HP laptop
Would like to use a SIP client in order to dial thru my home based PBX with a secure VPN tunnel.
I enjoy recording music on my SSL Soundscape DAW.
Things that I found interesting about the Infinity:
Connectivity eg. HDMI - External storage - Dock
So far, I do not think that the iPad can offer any of these things. Unless I am wrong of course !!!
Once again, let me apologize for this long-winded response as well.
I thank you so much for your time and input. It is greatly appreciated.
Peter

okantomi said:
You are welcome here, whatever you decide, but if you go with another tablet or OS, please don't come and tease us about how much better/faster/cooler yours is than ours. that really gets on my nerves, lol!
But I'm sure you would never do that.
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You are absolutely right okantomi, I would never come back to do such a thing. By the way, thank you for the great response. I suppose that some of the negative stuff that I read in certain sections of this forum got me a little nervous. I should know better. We don't live in a perfect world, and no ONE item is going to please everyone. This phenomema is what brings about change and improvement.
I will give it another day or two, discuss the purchase with my better half, then see what we come up with.
Have a great weekend. Peter

Here's my two cents... Above, someone mentioned apps... Basically, an iPad is just that - an interface to run apps. On the other hand, Android does so much more. Besides running apps, the OS itself is actually useful and a great productivity tool. The widgets that run on your desktop are simply awesome. Just by looking at my home screen, I can see my upcoming appointments, the time, the date, the weather, my Gmail account and my work email account (exchange). I can do all of that simply by turning the device on! When you turn on an Ipad you see icons - that's about it.
Add to that the features of the Transformer series, such as a keyboard dock with an extra battery, a trackpad, memory card readers, HDMI-out and a USB port and I think you can see just how powerful a Transformer running Android can be. I actually started out with an iPad 1 (as it was basically the first tablet available) - it was a great device - until I stumbled upon Android and the Transformer line! You really can do so much more with a Transformer than you can with an iPad. Hell - even this post - just try typing this on an iPad - it would take forever with the on-screen keyboard!
Like had already been stated - it all depends on what you want the device to do. For me, the iPad is just way too limiting. It may have more apps (for now - although that's beginning to change), but that is literally all that you can do with it - runs apps. There are no widgets. There is no way to expand upon the hardware (I.E. extra ports). It's very "basic".
Anyway, good luck deciding - I have a feeling that we'll be seeing you around these parts soon enough though!
By the way, don't let the "complainers" in this forum scare you off - it's mainly just so same few posters complaining over and over again. Or, it's folks that don't even own the TF700! It is deceiving - there are *many* happy TF700 users out there!
Sorry for the long post - it's just so easy to get long winded when you have a real keyboard to type with!
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 2

Osteele said:
Thank you so much for the quick response wolfman87. I wish that I could say that you've helped me move closer my ultimate decision. But of course you are absolutely right about that decision being a very personal one.
I suppose that there are so many factors that one may have to consider. It's so bizarre because I have been in IT for quite a while now and whenever a client asks for a quote on a new piece of hardware for example, the first question that I ask is: What exactly do you plan on doing with this new piece of hardware?
A liitle bit about myself:
Spend most of my time in a Windows client / server environment. (For better or worse my clients have dictated my skill-level)
Which is probably the reason that I am always looking to learn new things. Lately that has been:
Ubuntu desktop and server.
Virtual PBX (freePBX and Asterisk and PIAF)
Video Tutorials. Everything from Linux, jQuery, ASP .NET, Visual Studio, javascript.
Some of the things that I would like for a tablet to be able to do for me:
Receive and send email. Multiple Microsoft Exchange accounts required.
Connect remotely to client machines.
Browse the internet (many sites still require Flash)
Read all of the epub and pdf material that I now have sitting on my HP laptop
Would like to use a SIP client in order to dial thru my home based PBX with a secure VPN tunnel.
I enjoy recording music on my SSL Soundscape DAW.
Things that I found interesting about the Infinity:
Connectivity eg. HDMI - External storage - Dock
So far, I do not think that the iPad can offer any of these things. Unless I am wrong of course !!!
Once again, let me apologize for this long-winded response as well.
I thank you so much for your time and input. It is greatly appreciated.
Peter
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This might be a jumble of thoughts - sorry in advance:
That's really good information actually. From the first post it sounded much more casual. Since the needs that you have are more technical I would lean towards the Android side of things (I think that there are more IT based applications for Android). You can definitely set up exchange accounts (not sure how many, but I know you can). You can also remote into other machines (VPN, I think RDP, etc.). Of course web browsing comes standard, even on the base model
If you are going to be doing a lot of emails the dock absolutely is worth it. for ~$100 (if you get the 201) you get basically a netbook KB and the extra battery life. I have a friend who uses a bluetooth KB for his iPad and it lasts a while itself, but doesn't increase the tablet uptime.
Also a few people are working on getting a distro of linux up on this. It's harder since the bootloader isn't the same as the older models, but I don't think that it's something you can do on the iPad.
If you aren't running any iDevices right now it makes sense to stick with Android/Windows as an ecosystem. My other advice is go to play.google.com and look around at the apps, specifically for what you want to do: (for example: https://play.google.com/store/search?q=SIP&c=apps). This will help you get a feel for what is out there and what you can do.
For hooking up to HDMI - I actually may have blown the port on mine recently - I still haven't tested it again. But I got the Square Trade warranty through amazon (2 years plus accidental damage) for about $75. They're a solid provider and while I hope I don't have to use them, they don't care if you voided your ASUS warranty with unlocking, etc.
If you you and your better half will be using the tablet, I would say to stick to the infinity since the screen is super crisp (I assume that for emails, PDF's, remote PBXing, you aren't worried too much about the resolution) and it gets bright in the outdoors (IPS+). I have an iPad 2 for work and it really is much better than even that screen. Not as good as the iPads, but the best on the market for android.
If you really don't care about the screen, there are other good models out there. The Infinity rocks in terms of horsepower and as I mentioned the screen. Those are probably the two BEST things about it. I figure (for me) it will last at least 2 maybe 3 years. (hopefully more)
Oh, as a note - try before you buy. The headset jack is a bit weird and if you do a lot of audio it takes a bit to get used to holding it closer to the top.
Oh, and no need to apologize for being long winded

To all you great folks who have taken the time to respond to my lenghty posts, my heartfelt thanks. I have to be very honest, and I hope that this doesn't come off sounding strange, I am not a huge APPS kinda guy. Maybe I am not up to speed with that whole apps thing, but I just can't see why some folks put so much emphasis on the procurement of apps. Let's face it, how many are you really going to need / use. Once you find the ones that do exactly what you need for them to do that should pretty much do it.
Well, that's just me talking of course. Perhaps it has a lot to do with the fact that most of the time I am using my machines for work and not so much for play.
Have yourselves a safe and enjoyable weekend!
Thank you
Peter

Osteele said:
I wish that I could say that you've helped me move closer my ultimate decision.
[...]
It's so bizarre because I have been in IT for quite a while now and whenever a client asks for a quote on a new piece of hardware for example, the first question that I ask is: What exactly do you plan on doing with this new piece of hardware?
[...]
Ubuntu desktop and server.
Virtual PBX (freePBX and Asterisk and PIAF)
Video Tutorials. Everything from Linux, jQuery, ASP .NET, Visual Studio, javascript.
Some of the things that I would like for a tablet to be able to do for me:
Receive and send email. Multiple Microsoft Exchange accounts required.
Connect remotely to client machines.
Browse the internet (many sites still require Flash)
Read all of the epub and pdf material that I now have sitting on my HP laptop
Would like to use a SIP client in order to dial thru my home based PBX with a secure VPN tunnel.
I enjoy recording music on my SSL Soundscape DAW.
Things that I found interesting about the Infinity:
Connectivity eg. HDMI - External storage - Dock
So far, I do not think that the iPad can offer any of these things. Unless I am wrong of course !!!
Once again, let me apologize for this long-winded response as well.
I thank you so much for your time and input. It is greatly appreciated.
Peter
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If web browsing is a must -- and for most of us, it is -- then pretty much any Android machine wins over any iDevice because of Flash support (even with the support detracted on JB devices, you can still sideload the apk and it will still work).
Shell connection has several (free) apps available. I do that from home, mostly, so I do not have really extensive experience with them.
EPub and PDF -- Mantano all the way (I use it for both technical reading (medical and biochemical literature, mostly) and leisure reading (although that is non-fiction as well, mainly (astro)physics, quantum dynamics, archeology -- the high resolution screen REALLY helps in that corner, for it renders formulae, graphs, tables, and such just beautifully!).
To me, given both private and work use, TF700 hands-down, but as has been said oftentimes on this thread already, it's your choice. And indeed you are welcome in here anyway.
Osteele said:
[...]I am not a huge APPS kinda guy. Maybe I am not up to speed with that whole apps thing, but I just can't see why some folks put so much emphasis on the procurement of apps. Let's face it, how many are you really going to need / use. Once you find the ones that do exactly what you need for them to do that should pretty much do it.
Well, that's just me talking of course. Perhaps it has a lot to do with the fact that most of the time I am using my machines for work and not so much for play.
Have yourselves a safe and enjoyable weekend!
Thank you
Peter
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It does make a major difference whether you use the 700 for work alone or also for leisure activity. I have two kids, aged 4 and 2, and they love tablet -- and they're ever handier than me. :S The app thingy is an ongoing search for the best-performing launcher, the best-performing office application, etc. -- and a lot of it is hoarding (I have enough games purchased-but-not-played-yet to last me for the next decade-and-a-half, hahaha!).
(Oh, and sometimes, an app is really good for all things it does, but it doesn't incorporate a feature you need. You then find another app that does, but that one either has a clunky interface (preventing everyday use) or misses some feature the other app did provide... and so on, and so on. )
Jtrosky already tackled this, but I wanted to emphasize it a bit: currently, only a small minority has devices that display major faults. Don't let the few posts about them detract you from trusting the TF700.
I was one of the many that noticed low I/O performance, which is the one issue that is faithfully reproducible, I guess -- and although not eliminated entirely, it has been greatly improved upon by recent updates. I was one of the instigators of the "I/O pressure" -- I unashamedly admit -- and I think we did the right thing in being so vocal. I love my 700, though, and I am easily standing up against the many friends carrying iDevices around (with regards to both screen quality, battery life, physical keyboard, and connection options (main USB, (micro)SD cards)...
Have a good and merry weekend yourself as well!

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If web browsing is a must -- and for most of us, it is -- then pretty much any Android machine wins over any iDevice because of Flash support (even with the support detracted on JB devices, you can still sideload the apk and it will still work).
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Good morning Marty, and thank you for your valuable input. Undoubtedly, you seem to be getting the most out of your trusty tablet. I am happy to hear that.
I am going to take in all I can about tablets in general this weekend. I know that can probably set me a back a while. I am currently delving into a little .NET programming. So, there is always WIndows 8 tablets.
Came across this article last nite:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2010050/leaked-windows-8-tablet-pricing-suggests-asus-is-targeting-big-spenders.html
Will most likely add to my confusion though. No one is holding a gun to my head, right?
Have a wonderful day wherever you may be!
Peter

Osteele said:
Good morning Marty, and thank you for your valuable input. Undoubtedly, you seem to be getting the most out of your trusty tablet. I am happy to hear that.
I am going to take in all I can about tablets in general this weekend. I know that can probably set me a back a while. I am currently delving into a little .NET programming. So, there is always WIndows 8 tablets.
Came across this article last nite:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2010050/leaked-windows-8-tablet-pricing-suggests-asus-is-targeting-big-spenders.html
Will most likely add to my confusion though. No one is holding a gun to my head, right?
Have a wonderful day wherever you may be!
Peter
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Oh, no, you're only in as much hurry as you put yourself in -- that Intel-based ASUS tablet is priced outrageously high -- 1399 dollars for a tablet? Meh. The people that would pay that )to include the dock accessory) would rather pay 1100 dollars for a really good laptop instead. I'd that swell, and I'd gain Windows gaming in the process (Borderlands 2 on the train commute ftw, hahaha! ) and a crapload of ecosystem apps that have been refined over many years instead of the 2 years we have had Android tablet apps and 0, nada, zilch for Windows 8 tablet apps.
If they price it lower, though, it might even be very tempting (especially when they do not break compatibility with Windows 7 applications -- I haven't been paying much attention to Windows 8. I guess I have some catching up to do...
And as far as your catching up goes: yes, I'd expect you to be busy reading for a week or two, at least. As we say in Holland: it will, at the very least, keep you off the streets.

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Oh, no, you're only in as much hurry as you put yourself in -- that Intel-based ASUS tablet is priced outrageously high -- 1399 dollars for a tablet? Meh.
If they price it lower, though, it might even be very tempting (especially when they do not break compatibility with Windows 7 applications -- I haven't been paying much attention to Windows 8. I guess I have some catching up to do...
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Hello again Marty. I was under the impression that the pricing was somewhere in the vicinity of:
Pricing for Asus' Vivo Tab RT will start at $599
As was mentioned here as well:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/12/3495334/asus-vivo-tab-rt-pre-sales-begin-first-windows-rt-tablet-starts-at
IT's going to take more than a tablet to keep me off the streets. :laugh: :laugh:
Have a wonderful day. Peter

Osteele said:
Hello again Marty. I was under the impression that the pricing was somewhere in the vicinity of:
Pricing for Asus' Vivo Tab RT will start at $599
As was mentioned here as well:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/12/3495334/asus-vivo-tab-rt-pre-sales-begin-first-windows-rt-tablet-starts-at
IT's going to take more than a tablet to keep me off the streets. :laugh: :laugh:
Have a wonderful day. Peter
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Hi Peter!
Yes, it did say that in the article, but the RT versions of Windows 8 are the versions that carry ONLY the Metro interface, and are able to run ONLY apps that have been specifically programmed to run on that particular version (although I might have understood all that totally wrong, in which case somebody will undoubtedly be so friendly as to point me to my errors. The more usable versions will cost you significantly more, and the dock will set you back even more...

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Hi Peter!
Yes, it did say that in the article, but the RT versions of Windows 8 are the versions that carry ONLY the Metro interface, and are able to run ONLY apps that have been specifically programmed to run on that particular version (although I might have understood all that totally wrong, in which case somebody will undoubtedly be so friendly as to point me to my errors. The more usable versions will cost you significantly more, and the dock will set you back even more...
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Aha !!! Gotcha. Thanks to you, I will be going to bed a little smarter this evening. Thank you. Peter

Update
Well folks, I just wanted to stop by to let you know that I took the plung today at approx 18:00. After spending a considerable amount of time scouring the internet and reading reviews ad nauseam, I finally decided upon the Infinity. Should arrive in a few days and I must say that I am excited. Nice to feel like a kid again.
There is a good possibility that I may have a few questions once I have spent a little time with the unit. Hope you all don't mind if I post those questions here on this forum.
Thank you all again for being so helpful. I hope that I have made the right decision.
Peter

Osteele said:
Well folks, I just wanted to stop by to let you know that I took the plung today at approx 18:00. After spending a considerable amount of time scouring the internet and reading reviews ad nauseam, I finally decided upon the Infinity. Should arrive in a few days and I must say that I am excited. Nice to feel like a kid again.
There is a good possibility that I may have a few questions once I have spent a little time with the unit. Hope you all don't mind if I post those questions here on this forum.
Thank you all again for being so helpful. I hope that I have made the right decision.
Peter
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Bring it on bro.....We are waiting!!!

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Bring it on bro.....We are waiting!!!
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Thank you Sir. I really appreciate that.

Congrats! Welcome to the club
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda app-developers app

Welcome to the Infinity family.
As a .NET Developer myself, I find this device comes in handy sometimes with the supernote it saves alot of papers and keep them all in one place. I use Supernote for writing pseudo code, brainstorming, UML diagram etc. Maybe you will find this method useful or maybe not. Anyhow, I hope you enjoy the infinity!
Cheers

Osteele said:
Well folks, I just wanted to stop by to let you know that I took the plung today at approx 18:00. After spending a considerable amount of time scouring the internet and reading reviews ad nauseam, I finally decided upon the Infinity. Should arrive in a few days and I must say that I am excited. Nice to feel like a kid again.
There is a good possibility that I may have a few questions once I have spent a little time with the unit. Hope you all don't mind if I post those questions here on this forum.
Thank you all again for being so helpful. I hope that I have made the right decision.
Peter
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I hope so, too, Peter -- you'll find out soon enough, I guess. ; ) It does come pretty sudden, so after your initial resolve to wait it out and inform and inform and inform. I know the feeling of waiting, however, mostly gets the best of me -- I guess us gadgeteers are not the most resilient to marketing and spec sheets. Hahaha!
Welcome to the club, and don't fret about posting your questions. It's not your type of user we get fed up with, and to be honest, I think you'll be fine with the guides that have sprung up -- at least as far as unlocking woes, Nvflash, custom recoveries and custom ROMs, etc. go. It's going to take a fair bit of Play Store scavenging to find apps that suit your needs and style optimally, but we'll get there. Relish the kid feeling, and don't lose the fun in finding your way.
By the way: I assume you ordered it with the dock?