My new HTC Touch Pro appears to have far worse phone reception compared to my HTC TyTN II for the Tmobile UK network.
Touch Pro Radio: 1.02.25.19
TyTN II Radio: 1.27.12.11
I've set my phone band to GSM to save battery.
Ot has been tweaked in no other way yet.
a) At home, I nearly always got a usable signal on the TyTN II with some drop outs. With the Touch Pro - its the other way round - mostly searching with occasional usable signal.
b) Travvelling from Leeds to Harrogate. The TyTN II would mostly hold a good signal with only a few drop outs. The Touch Pro was "Searching" most of the way.
c) Central Leeds, both phones have good signal.
d) Sat at my desk in Harrogate. The TyTN II has a usable signal where the Touch Pro only occassionally has a usable signal.
I love the device, but am very dissappointed with the phone signal performance. So much so, I am considering returning the device. I hope there's an new Radio ROM very soon.
I would be interested to hear other TMobileUK users experiences.
Thanks
Mike
Soory, this has already been discussed in several topics:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=417335
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=417163
Does seem to be a common TmobileUK problem!
There do seem to be a lot of comments about poor signal strength.
Personally my signal is the same as ever, but I think I may pinch my wife's T-Mobile SIM sometime over the weekend, just out of curiosity... Her MDA Touch has terrible signal in our house, so I'll have to see if the Raphael is any better or worse.
I am also tempted to buy the touch pro, and am with t-mobile due to their unrivalled web'n'walk data packages. I don't want to wait till t-mobile get their act together with the vario IV (they might include a updated version of the radio which works better with their network).
Is there anyone who is getting good coverage on t-mobile with this phone and if so where are you located in th u.k?
I'm in the Middlesex area, not very far at all from Heathrow airport.
Signal strength at home for me is pretty good, it varies between 2 and 5 bars depending on where I am in the house but I nearly always have a H at the top rather than a G! (anyone else other than me think that the Touch Pro's G icon is ugly? lol)
When I'm out and about away from home I've noticed much weaker signals though, never lost the network completely yet mind you. Thankfully I'm on a "Solo" sim only contract with T-mobile and my 30 day contract is already passed so I can now change it. Other people's comments about the network on here have scared me, so I've already got a porting authorisation code from them (I even told the T-Mobile customer service person I spoke to about everyone's comments on this forum, he seemed quite surprised to say the least) and I will be moving to Vodafone in a couple of days!
Vodafone Sim only deals are very similar to T-Mobile's prices (even better at the £20 level thanks to a limited time offer from Vodafone that's currently running) and although mobile internet use with Vodafone is more expensive than T-Mobile on a daily basis, they both do the £7.50/month for unlimited internet so I'll definitely be adding that!
Also has anyone tried these signal boosting sticky pads to improve reception? (I don't have any experience with these so don't know whether these things have any merit or are just a con)
tbh I wouldnt worry about it at the moment, the stock shipped radio version in my Hermes (1.06.00.10, or something like) was crap for me but remember people we get radio updates quite often even now for older devices so lets see , when the vario IV ROM emerges, how good the updated radios are?
Its all part of the game.
Perhaps once the issues for flashing diamond radios have been sorted then we could see if a daimond radio might remedy the issues?
Just out of interest has anyone here got a Touch Pro and is using it on Orange UK?? Since they both operate on GSM1800 and UMTS2100 any problems with the device should really occur for them also?
O2-UK and Vodafone UK (GSM900) stats would also be helpfull?
mrvanx said:
tbh I wouldnt worry about it at the moment, the stock shipped radio version in my Hermes (1.06.00.10, or something like) was crap for me but remember people we get radio updates quite often even now for older devices so lets see , when the vario IV ROM emerges, how good the updated radios are?
Its all part of the game.
Perhaps once the issues for flashing diamond radios have been sorted then we could see if a daimond radio might remedy the issues?
Just out of interest has anyone here got a Touch Pro and is using it on Orange UK?? Since they both operate on GSM1800 and UMTS2100 any problems with the device should really occur for them also?
O2-UK and Vodafone UK (GSM900) stats would also be helpfull?
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I am not sure I understand the "game" appeal of a £500 purchase on which people seem to be experiencing poor reception on.
IBORGUK said:
I am not sure I understand the "game" appeal of a £500 purchase on which people seem to be experiencing poor reception on.
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No different to any other area of technology, the fact is that if you live on the cutting edge and get the newest of the new and the best of the best, there will be issues, and rough edges to iron out. At least with HTC phones 95% of the problems will be resolved in a few months with ROM/radio updates and the wonders pulled off by the chefs here.
For those wanting a safe stable and mature platform from day one with yesterday's-but-still-ok tech, there's the Kaiser or Hermes. Or just wait a few months before getting a Touch Pro.
Best of the best for a phone which has poorer reception on my network than the previous iteration (TYTN II) ? I don't think the logic in that statement stands up somehow.
i've got same issue with t-mobile sim and pro. same spot kaiser has full 3g reception pro none
So mine's gone back due to lousy reception on T-Mobile UK in my house (my Hermes and my other half's Kaiser have no such problem).
Gutted, 'cos compared to my current Vario II it was a Rolls Royce.
So what do I do now? Risk trying another or wait till a version with new radio is out?
finisterre said:
So mine's gone back due to lousy reception on T-Mobile UK in my house (my Hermes and my other half's Kaiser have no such problem).
Gutted, 'cos compared to my current Vario II it was a Rolls Royce.
So what do I do now? Risk trying another or wait till a version with new radio is out?
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I'd say go again when TMobile release theirs, at least then it's all their problem if you want to send it back (again!).
finisterre said:
So mine's gone back due to lousy reception on T-Mobile UK in my house (my Hermes and my other half's Kaiser have no such problem).
Gutted, 'cos compared to my current Vario II it was a Rolls Royce.
So what do I do now? Risk trying another or wait till a version with new radio is out?
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Or maybe wait for the SE Xperia X1. I'll skip the Touch Pro because of the reception issue. As the Diamond has the same problem since the beginning, I don't believe in a software fix for this problem.
Newbie question, sorry . I havent even fully worked out what the "radio" is! Is it the same as a new ROM?
My Touch Pro will arrive today or tomorrow. How likely is it that the signal performance of this phone will improve if a new Radio can be developed? I will have 10 days to return the phone if necessary, and change to another provider/contract, which is a shame as TMobile have arguably the best (data) contracts.
Stick or twist?
If you have this problem, make sure you report it to HTC like I did.
The more who do - the more chance of a fix.
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Newbie question, sorry . I havent even fully worked out what the "radio" is! Is it the same as a new ROM?
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A new ROM can contain various components. Official HTC or Carrier ROM's generally contain the OS (~100Mb), the Radio (~20Mb), the Splash Screens (~1Mb?), and the Bootloader (also small, but I can't remember how small). So they're fully loaded. Sometimes official Radio-Only updates are released, but from what I remember they're not that common.
Cooked ROMs around here are generally just the OS (and sometimes a compatible Radio if the OS actually relies on a specific Radio). The OS is all that you'd really notice much of a difference in, for day to day purposes, as it's the bit that contains "Windows Mobile".
It is possible to flash any one of the components seperately. For the purposes of solving signal issues, it should only be necessary to update the Radio component. If you do this, then all your settings, programs, etc would be untouched, 'cause it's just the bit of code that controls the "Phone" part of your device, rather than the "Windows Mobile" part.
If you get a Touch Pro now, and it's got bad T-Mobile 3G reception, you can either put up with 2G signals until a Radio update is released (officially or otherwise), or send it back. Personally, I'd do the former, as I can't see it taking more than a couple of weeks for the T-Mobile ROM to show it's face, and that'll have the T-Mobile optimised radio in it, which you'll be able to upgrade to...
Thanks for your reply sub69. Very helpful and much appreciated .
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If you get a Touch Pro now, and it's got bad T-Mobile 3G reception, you can either put up with 2G signals until a Radio update is released (officially or otherwise), or send it back.
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With mine, it wasn't that it was dropping from 3G to 2G. It was losing the signal totally. So I would have been missing voice calls too.
Perhaps I wasnt as clear as i intended in my last post here but, as a member has already said the reception issues are most likely down to the radio stack rather than a poor device, this was an issue with the Hermes when it was first released (August 2006) and it was remedied about a month later with a radio update, im surprised people are sending thiers back so hastily!?!?
The thing i would HIGHLY recommend is (once we have HardSPL and etc...) to flash the radio stack which accompanies the Vario IV ROM once it is released /leaked. This radio version (if different) would have the TmobileUK tweaks in it if they still do such a thing?!
Im yet to see if anyone on orange UK has the same issues?? (same bands as tmobile).
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My kaiser has a very bad signal compare with samsungi600, Nokia n73.
I flash all the radio already, however it only helps slightly.
so I wanna know is there any way to improve the signal of kaiser?
thanks
try using one of those "cell phone antenna boosters" lol
"cell phone antenna boosters"?
never heared before is it software ?
could you give me a link to the related webpage
thanks lots
http://evdo-coverage.com/cell-phone-antenna-booster.html
it is too big for carry...
are there any way to improve signal by software?
kob001 said:
http://evdo-coverage.com/cell-phone-antenna-booster.html
it is too big for carry...
are there any way to improve signal by software?
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try different radios. click below and pick one. if that doesn't help, pick another one. keep going till you get what you want. best I can tell you.
http://www.antennabooster.net/
I saw some internal antenna boosters, is it realy working?
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http://www.antennabooster.net/
I saw some internal antenna boosters, is it realy working?
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dont waste ur money
May I suggest flashing new radios.
My T-Mobile carrier in North Atlanta Georgia must've have did something to the local towers. For awhile I was using a radio that had full signal, untill two weeks ago, it only had two bars. After flashing a new radio, I had full bars. I flashed the old radio agian to make sure because it was the radio with the battery life, but it went down to two bars.
Make sure you have a correct radio, ie. radio for 6.0 or 6.1.
Just do a search, plenty of information, and this questions have a lot of answers.
By the way, those stick on antenna boosters don't work.
my rom versionis 3.03.405.0wwe
radio is 1.64.06.04
and also I tried 1.64.08.21
but It did not working well.
maybe I have to wait until HTC publish new radios, or all the HTC phones have pretty wake signals compare with nokia even with samsung.
thanks all your helps!
kob001 said:
my rom versionis 3.03.405.0wwe
radio is 1.64.06.04
and also I tried 1.64.08.21
but I did not working well.
maybe I have to wait until HTC publish new radios, or all the HTC phones have pretty wake signals compare with nokia even with samsung.
thanks all your helps!
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I'm in Atlanta, Georgia, US.
Radio 1.64.08.21 with 3.08.161.0 full bars.
Has the signal always been weak? On Monday, a T-Mobile tower was off for maintenance that whole day.
I am in Sydney, and useing the Three network (this company use Wcdma and GSM combination solution).
my phone is T-mobile version MDA.
maybe the version kaiser not working very well in my network.
lol, i was kidding about the cell phone booster thing, they dont work at all. just one question.......how is it that u are so sure that the kaiser has a weaker signal compared to your nokia or samsung?
because now I have three phones with me one for nokia N73, the other for samsung i600, last one is HTC kaiser. in the same place, almost sametime(I have to change the simcard) they shows different signal sutuation. for instance, kaiser only got one signal, samsung got 4 out of 5, Nokia got full.
when I use kaiser to make a phone call, in my room, sometimes it has been cut down because of low signal problem, it didnot happen for samsung and nokia.
therefore, I indicate kaiser has poor signal compare with samsung and Nokia.
and I wanna fix it as well. becasue kaiser is such a cool phone include all kind of functions.
the radio needs to change thats all test the radios till you find urs thats it.
hopefully, I can find one
I already tested
1.27.12.17
1.27.12.32
1.64.06.04
1.64.08.21
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hopefully, I can find one
I already tested
1.27.12.17
1.27.12.32
1.64.06.04
1.64.08.21
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You saying you tested both 6.0 and 6.1 roms. Since its a dual mode, go to Phone -> Band -> under Network Type, make sure its automatic. If not, I suggest just get a new phone.
I think the htc devices do have weaker reception than some other phones. I have had xv6600, 6700, and now tilt - all have worse reception than the phones my wife (moto rzr) and kids (lg venus, enV) have. Also my colleague at work gets a data signal on EDGE with his iPhone and I get no data at all at that location (4 bars for voice, rssi ~ 25-27).
Changing radios hasn't made any difference for me rssi values and #/dB of cells in fieldtest are always the same. I haven't studied the fieldtest program in depth, but that might be a way to objectively compare things.
nothing like that no diffrent than the others i have had quite a few my self i see drop signals after i flash but when i find the correct one its all good.
in your experiances, which radio has the best reception?
I have tried so many different radios with Dutty's latest 6.1 rom, and all of them continually drop calls. IS there a a Rom & radio combo that works efficiently in the uK?? I mean, dropping calls is a deal killer no matter how fun these roms are??
I have never upgraded to the 1.65 terror radio yet, and plan not too. Just looking for advice as thread searching has not worked out so well. Right now I am on 1.58.16.27, the last 1.58 had no GPS, but both drop calls within minutes.
Any advice appreciated
Have you tried the 1.64.08.21?
trying it now
will report back tonight!
phone rings, data & gps too: NO SOUND
Another disastrous radio. What is wrong? Could it be this rom?
same here, sometimes, only me could hear the voice from the other end, but they couldn't hear me, it happens after several minutes talk. some times, it disconnect from beginning, hell of it. 1.64.08.21
dropped calls are usually due to the phone service. How many bars are you picking up in your area? If you have 1-2 bars, I guarantee you will get a lot of dropped calls. If you try a stock T-mobile Vario III rom, do you get better possibilities? If this is the case, you might have to play around with the operator settings. I always get dropped calls in my house because of the low reception. I live in an area sorrounded by a lot of hills, so it's difficult to pick up certain coverages. When I go to work on the other hand, I never get a drop call. Hopefully this info can help you find a better solution to your problem.
had the wrong radio
I was using 1.65.14.06=disaster, let's see what 1.64.08.21 does. will report back
My mistake, please delete.
No Problems with UK T-Mobile here
I am have only recently upgraded my trusty Hermes (Vario II) to this Kaiser (Vario II) and here in the Swindon area and during journeys in the car have had no problems at all. In fact this Kaiser phone is far clearer that the Hermes ever was - I have tried 3 radio ROMs and all are great. I get a useable GPS lock within 30 secs without running GPS test too.
So I cannot agree with your comments about T-Mobile and the radios - could it be some other software that you are using? Is the radio poor as soon as you have the new OS ROM and new Radio ROM?
I use T-Mobile UK and I don't have these issues either. I have tried lots of ROM's in the last few weeks and all have been fine. I get the occasional "I answer the call but can't hear them" but I get that on my Imate 8150 also, so I think its a reception issue.
I'm currently using Laurentius26 V4 ROM http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=389915 and radio 1.64.08.21 included in that ROM. The ROM is very good indeed, fast and stable, and the radio is as good as any I have used. Perhaps you had a dodgy ROM flash mate?
So far 1.64 08 21 : Data, GPS, & Voice work
Just need to wait a and try a bunch of calls to see if they stick or drop.
I am glad that radio works so far for you. Hopefully that one won't give you any problems, it seems to be one of the most stable radio's out there.
Hey up there, I have been using NoThrills Rom W6.1 with 1.65.14.06 radio, had no problems at all, good GPS and good battery life. The rom is quick too, and I'm from the UK
No probs here.
im on t-mobile uk.using 1.64.08.21-no problems,good gps,good signal... i had before 1.65.XXXX and i had problems with droped calls...
I bought a fuze to replace my 8525. I had no phone reception issues with my 8525 in my work place, it always stayed locked on 3g, even though it might be a bar or two signal strength.
I recently upgraded to the newest official rom from HTC with the new radio in hopes it would solve the call problems I have. Often times my Fuze will switch between Edge and 3g at work. Calls will have horrible sounding audio, dropping out or no audio at all. The newest radio v1.14 didn't help this.
I've recently loaded the standard Energy rom using TF3D 2 and decided to use the v1.12 radio. The jury is out yet on if this helps, but it seems better.
Anyway, my question is that I didn't write down the orginal version of the radio that came with my Fuze so I can avoid trying that again. I'm going to be trying out different radios to see which one works best.
Does anyone have any suggestions and/or can let me know what that original version was?
Thanks.
Find yourself an answer(s) here http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Raphael_WM6.1_ROMs
Goodluck.
1.02.25.32
Thanks, I knew it was something like that.
Hey guys,
I recently got a Telstra TP2 on a new contract, but I can't stand what they've done to the ROM. For those who don't know, Telstra have added 4 extra tabs on TF3D (downloads, telstra applications, tv, news and sport) which can't be removed or turned off, and they've put 12 locked (unremovable) program shortcuts on the start menu.
As I'm in a rural area, I need the 850 band the Telstra version of the phone supplies, and I'm worried that flashing a new cooked rom will lose this functionality (I'm very new to this). As it is, the shipped version of the Telstra rom isn't found on this site through the wiki (version 1.19.841.3 (51489) wwe), so I'm scared that I'll lose it forever and won't be able to put it back on if something goes squirly.
Is there anyway I can get around this besides flashing a cooked rom, and possibly losing the shipped rom forever?
Also, have any other telstra users been able to use HDWall on the phone to replace the crappy blue telstra background throughout the device?
Many thanks,
Tim
Welcome to forums
Have a look on Rhodium ROM development and choose another ROM!
Good luck,
Thanks for the welcome
I've had a look around, making some heads and tails of it, but I really need to know if I'm going to lose my 850 band with Telstra if I flash another cooked rom without all this Telstra garbage on it.
No you wont
850 is a hardware stuff related and you cant change it with any ROM, so you can install
Just have a deep read on the how to section in rhodium rom development
Enjoy,
Hi there, me again.
I was at the Windows 7/Windows Phone pre-launch in Melbourne on Tuesday, and picked the brains of the Microsoft employees manning the Windows Phone booth showing off Winmo 6.5 on the TP2 and D2. One of the first things I was asked during the conversation was if I had already flashed 6.5 on my phone, which I was surprised about. I mentioned my reservations about losing the 850mhz band with Telstra NextG, and the employee told me that the support for the band is built into Telstra's crappy ROM, and would be lost if flashed with anything else.
Are they yanking my chain or what?
I would like to know this too.
I`ve changed my ROM twice, saved my original one.. and I`ve finally encountered a connectivity issue...
Perhaps it`s my using a Telstra, Unlocked HTC Touch Pro 2 with an Athine ROM (though it really doesn`t make any difference what ROM I use... Maybe) on my Rogers BlackBerry Internet plan.
But I`ve used the Sony Ericsson Xperia on it and a few weeks prior to this date, have had no problem surfing the internet.
It MAY be the fact that Rogers is having problems with their network in downtown Toronto, so I`m hoping it`s not my TP2...
In any case, I`m using HDWalls on my phone.. but I`m just (un)installing the individual walls as I go along.
There`s something wrong with my computer that I have to fix because I cannot install the items necessary to use HDsWalls on the phone, and on the computer.
But so far, it`s been the best.
Although, I just have to say.. if you don`t have anything like "background for all" sort of cab files on the phone, I believe;
1) The phone runs faster
2) The background quality is crisper/better
Took me 2 weeks for me to get my Telstra Touch Pro 2 from Australia to Canada, and it was worth it.
I BELIEVE just changing the ROM will do nothing to the radio.
Moving into radio talk, I was wondering if I updated my Telstra phone with the latest AT&T radio build, because the hardware is for 850mhz and so is the build...
Will it enhance my connectivity?
Does anyone have any expertise on this and help shed some light?
Which radio version do you find gives you the best coverage. I am currently using 1.71.09.01 and I am finding that unless I am near a decent sized population centre or a motorway I lose signal.
I have just switched from Orange to Vodafone and don't remember losing signal completely as much as I am now so I am assuming that maybe Vodafone works better with another radio version. Yes I could spend a while testing different radios but the areas that I lose signal completely I do not go to daily and it would take a few months to properly test all 1.65 and 1.7x radios, so I thought I would ask the community because I figure I can't be the only UK Vodafone customer using a WM6.5 ROM...
I am primarily interested in network coverage, then battery life and lastly GPS locktime (as I use a Bluetooth GPS unit instead of the onboard)
Any feedback would be appreciated.
Check the The Ultimate Radio Thread for other users on network, or look @ peoples sigs on same network, the easiest way is to flash and find the best as so many variables involved.
On that note not ROM Development thread closed.