I personally think Slingplayer is one of the best applications ever for a ppc, that is if it works properly. (Personally have found this to be elusive on HTC devices and I have owned 3 of them, see signature. I Believe this is due to their poor performance when it comes to direct draw)
On my MDA Vario III for example I get between 8-12 fps on HSDPA (watchable but hardly a pleasurable experience). On the nokia n95 however it is very smooth but the symbian version does not have a "show statistics" option hence can't tell you the frame rate. The best performance I have seen on a WM device is with a DELL axim X51, the QVGA version connected via bluetooth with a nokia n70 3G (around 30 fps).
So how does it perform on the latest/greatest entry from HTC, especially at the highest resolution, say with the following settings:
Enable slingstream optimization
High action
video resolution : 320 by 240
audio : mono low
What effect does "use GDI rendering" setting have (found in the advance section). Does it improve matters?
If you have used sling player on this device then could you please post the frames per second that you are getting at the highest resolution possible i.e. 320 by 240, both on wifi and on a 3G/HSDPA connection if possible.
Also, is the performance in full screen (landscape) just as good as in portrait mode?
Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.
Please try to state the fps you are consistantly getting and not subjective descriptions like "works well" or "fine" or even "superb".
Or even better post a video!
You might also have a look in this thread. steveoidm will do some testing tomorrow with slingplayer.
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You might also have a look in this thread. steveoidm will do some testing tomorrow with slingplayer.
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I have seen that one and asked him to post his findings in this dedicated thread.
The Mobile Device Is The Cause Of Poor Video Resolution Quality, When Slinging, NEVER
billu said:
I personally think Slingplayer is one of the best applications ever for a ppc, that is if it works properly. (Personally have found this to be elusive on HTC devices and I have owned 3 of them, see signature. I Believe this is due to their poor performance when it comes to direct draw)
On my MDA Vario III for example I get between 8-12 fps on HSDPA (watchable but hardly a pleasurable experience). On the nokia n95 however it is very smooth but the symbian version does not have a "show statistics" option hence can't tell you the frame rate. The best performance I have seen on a WM device is with a DELL axim X51, the QVGA version connected via bluetooth with a nokia n70 3G (around 30 fps).
So how does it perform on the latest/greatest entry from HTC, especially at the highest resolution, say with the following settings:
Enable slingstream optimization
High action
video resolution : 320 by 240
audio : mono low
What effect does "use GDI rendering" setting have (found in the advance section). Does it improve matters?
If you have used sling player on this device then could you please post the frames per second that you are getting at the highest resolution possible i.e. 320 by 240, both on wifi and on a 3G/HSDPA connection if possible.
Also, is the performance in full screen (landscape) just as good as in portrait mode?
Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.
Please try to state the fps you are consistantly getting and not subjective descriptions like "works well" or "fine" or even "superb".
Or even better post a video!
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You mobile device will never be the total cause of you getting very low Kbps, although we like to put it on the mobile device. Even if you have the best 3g and wfi signal in the world, you can still have very low Kbps.
If you want to find out why I'm getting very high Kbps on my T-Mobile Dash using a Edge signal and you have a Raphael with all the power on 3g signal and still you are getting 25 Kbps.
Now do you want to know, where the problem is and the cause of the snow like video resolution quality on your expensive device?
1. Start at your house where you got your SlingBox at, next check out the kind of router you got and your service provider.
1.Get all Splitters out of the line of connection to your SlingBox, use Ethernet cables Only, RULE OF THUMB!
2. Routers, Only use a router with Quality of Service {Qos} or a product call "THe Broadband Booster" with the Slingbox. Never use a cheap Wal-Mart router with your SlingBox, you are just asking for trouble.
3. YOUR SERVICE PROVIDER WILL BE THE NUMBER ONE CAUSE OF POOR {Kbps} on the mobile device end. I dont care how expensive your device is, if you don't have at least between a 1MB and 2MB UPLOAD SPEEDS with a strong Edge, 3g or wifi signal on your device, if you don't have this, then all you can ever expect is very low {Kbps} and very poor video resolution quality. These are the things, that make you think the mobile device is the cause of poor {Kbps}. Tonight of all nights, I'm having problems uploading photos to show you my SlingPlayer Mobile {Kbps} using a Edge Connection on a T-Mobile dash, With a Upload Speeds 2MB, { Before I had only 700Kbps upload speed}! Now I have 2MB Upload speeds from my service provider with a inline Quality of Service {QoS} router, the DLink 4300 gaming router with 2 original SlingBoxes inline, plus 2 other computers. Now before I discovered all of these things, I had the same problems you are having low {Kbps}............!
Slinging On Edge, Let The Weak Say, I'm Strong
The below SlingPlayer mobile {Kbps and fps} speeds are on a EDGE network not a 3g network! This is to demonstrate how you must first have your home network set up correct, before slinging anywhere else on the planet. Again don't blame your poor {Kbps or fps} speeds on the mobile devices. The speeds you see below are on a cheap T-Mobile Dash using EDGE...............!
Hi,
Ok. I can tell you I definitely haven't got my home network setup correctly then! But I imagine many other people wont either.
I dont think I have the best 3g signal in my office, and I am in central london so the network is probably quite busy, but I am getting between 10 and 20 fps with the above recommended settings.
Not sure if that is bad or good, only had my slingbox a few weeks. But I enjoy watching a bit of olympics in the morning so its good enough for me.
Steve
Hi Steve. I am in Central London too. Just wondering whether you bought the phone sim free or on contract? If on contract did you get a deal and who with? I am considering buying via Expansys with a TMob contract
Thanks
Didnt know about the sling links. Might get some of those, at the moment it is plugged into a standard wireless repeater, which connects to a non qos router. That can't be good.
Can you recommend a good router? What would be the latest version of yours?
I too am a big Sling fan and plan to get the Raphael if/when it comes out on Sprint. I am particularly interested in combining Sling with the tv-out cable. Has anyone picked up this cable and tested it while playing a video? I think Expansys has it for about $30.
Here ya go. Stock in a few days apparently.
http://www.expansys.com/zoompic.aspx?type=item&i=170917
My SlingPlayer Mobile Speeds Via WiFi
I know some of you guys are saying if he get those kinds of speeds using a Edge network, then what are his speeds like using WiFi, well check out the photos below.
Routers: Always purchase a gaming router for your home SlingBox set up, example if it adds super speed to the Xbox 360, that's a Quality of Service {QoS} router, it takes away the lag out of your network connection and prioritize the data on your home network giving game fuel priority to the Slingbox. This means the SlingBox data leaves your network before any other data. *There will be a set up in your router for prioritizing data packets. Plus if you have upload speeds between 1MB and 2MB speeds, now you have added true reflex game fuel to your SlingBox with power burst surge speeds......!
Another way to do this is by adding the Hawkings Broadband Booster to your home network in line. This product truly works like a charm and is one of the best kept secrets concerning the SlingBox, go to Cnet and check out the reviews on the Hawking Broadband booster. You can get the Hawkings broadband booster here http://www.hawkingtech.com/ ............!
Remember the SlingPlayer mobile speeds below are via Wifi, see post # 5 for speeds using a Edge network........!
Thanks technology for the input, but slingplayer reports 300kbs consistantly on the vario III, but the fps struggles to get above 12. Surely if bandwidth is there then fps not being high enough is due to the device not being able to decode the stream/refresh the screen quickly enough etc, or am I missing something? My upload speed is 768 kbs at home and get above 1000 kbs download to the device (HSDPA t-mobile).
And steveiodm, could you please post the performance of your slingplayer on wi-fi if possible.
Do The Math! 256Kbps Is The Minimum Requirement For Slinging
billu said:
Thanks technology for the input, but slingplayer reports 300kbs consistantly on the vario III, but the fps struggles to get above 12. Surely if bandwidth is there then fps not being high enough is due to the device not being able to decode the stream/refresh the screen quickly enough etc, or am I missing something? My upload speed is 768 kbs at home and get above 1000 kbs download to the device (HSDPA t-mobile).
And steveiodm, could you please post the performance of your slingplayer on wi-fi if possible.
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Guy do the math, your upload speed is 768Kbps, the minimum requirement for slinging is 256Kbps. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see where the bottle neck is in your home network. Read my post here in your thread again and follow my instructions and you will see the difference...............!
Will try out wifi this evening. Used it again on the train this morning. Got a consistent 12 fps.
sling link
I have two Sling link setups that I bought to avoid running cables all over my house, but they do not work well at all in my house.
I was having awful problems with Sling Mobile on my Verizon XV6800 when using sling link setup. I was constantly losing the sling connection & when it did work it was very sketchy quality at times.
I finally, just to test things, ran a 100' Cat 5 Ethernet cable from my Linksys wirelessG router through the house to the Sling Pro setup I'm using & it's worked just fine ever since.
My son still has his X-Box 360 hooked to the Sling Link, but that doesn't work real well either & it worked great when it was hard wired.
~John
Technology said:
Guy do the math, your upload speed is 768Kbps, the minimum requirement for slinging is 256Kbps. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see where the bottle neck is in your home network. Read my post here in your thread again and follow my instructions and you will see the difference...............!
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I understand the theory about QoS but I wouldn't call 3 times over the minimum limit as a bottleneck. Here in the UK, upload speeds aren't that great, I would say 768 Kbps is pretty good going.
The changes you are suggesting will probably improve matters, but why then does the nokia n95 and the Dell Axim x51 perform so much better with the same setup?
Which SlingPlayer should be installed. Is it the PocketPC1.6 or the Smartphone1.6? Confused!
768Kbps Is Poor Slinging Upload Speed
billu said:
I understand the theory about QoS but I wouldn't call 3 times over the minimum limit as a bottleneck. Here in the UK, upload speeds aren't that great, I would say 768 Kbps is pretty good going.
The changes you are suggesting will probably improve matters, but why then does the nokia n95 and the Dell Axim x51 perform so much better with the same setup?
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Post your speeds and I will keep my 2MB upload speeds, but one of the keys in the home SlingBox set up is upload speeds, even SlingMedia will tell you that, the HIGHER the upload speed the better the video resolution quality, but I guess the creator of the Slingbox is wrong and {QoS} is not a theory, it's a fact..........!
On Raphael it will be the pocketpc version.
I know that quality of the slingplayer stream in only as good as the minimum of your upload from slingbox and download to the device. Whether you have 700 kbs upload and 300 kbs download or 300 kbs upload and 700kbs down it will be the same quality but.........
and I will put it simply:
On my set up i.e 768 kbs upload, the Dell was getting 30 frames per second (super smooth) at around 300 kbs reported by slingplayer but all of these HTC devices seems to be around 10 frames per second (jerky) at the same 300 kbs. WHY?
I would point the finger at the device in this case.
Not True!
billu said:
On Raphael it will be the pocketpc version.
I know that quality of the slingplayer stream in only as good as the minimum of your upload from slingbox and download to the device. Whether you have 700 kbs upload and 300 kbs download or 300 kbs upload and 700kbs down it will be the same quality but.........
and I will put it simply:
On my set up i.e 768 kbs upload, the Dell was getting 30 frames per second (super smooth) at around 300 kbs reported by slingplayer but all of these HTC devices seems to be around 10 frames per second (jerky) at the same 300 kbs. WHY?
I would point the finger at the device in this case.
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Your info is not true, look at the photos in post # 5 you will see a HTC made T-Mobile Dash with 29 fps and My Dell Axim X51v was made by HTC. 700Kbps and 300Kbps upload speeds will never give you the same video resolution quality. I don't believe you guys understand what makes the SlingBox works smooth or on the device end.............!
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okay guys, been reading up for the past few weeks on the lastest PDA phones. i need to get a new phone, preferably windows mobile, and preferably wm6. here are my requirements:
1. 400mhz cpu or faster
2. 2 mp camera or higher
3. GPS - MUST have
4. tri-band GSM, wifi, video capture
5. small phone
okay those are absolutes. my preferences:
6. keyboard or numeric keypad
7. large screen
8. windows mobile 6
9. long battery life
10. 262k screen, 2nd camera for conferencing
more or less, the N95 kind of meets most of the requirements--except that the cpu is kinda slow and its not windows mobile. though the good thing about it is that its got video-out, where i can put a presentation on the phone and plug the cable onto the projector.
now, im trying to debate between:
a) the g-smart i300 (no keypad)
b) m700 (65k colors, side keypad)
c) P3600 (65k colors, no keyboard)
d) asus p535 (65k colors, no keypad)
e) X800 (65k colors, no keyboard)
f) asus p526 (65k colors, 200mhz cpu)
g) JAQ4 (65k colors, 200mhz cpu)
h) XDA orbit (65k colors, 200mhz cpu, no keypad)
i) hp 6915 (1.3mp, 65k colors, BIG phone, no upgrade to WM6)
as it stands, the N95 kind of trumps everyone with a 5mp camera, 30fps video capture, keypad, 256k colors, video-out, and relatively small form-factor.
the wife has the nokia, so i dont want another nokia and im partial to windows mobile (has to sync with outlook, nokia has issues). ive also used the N95 and it can be slow at times and can hang. otherwise, its a dream phone except that it doesnt run windows mobile.
the comparisons above make it look like the ETEN is going to win. ive owned an M500 before, and didnt like the overall experience (though the phone was kinda okay) due the the bugs, signal reception, and cheap chassis. so im kinda wary about taking an M700, though it looks like the only real and closest option to my requirements. other than the M700, i would have gone for the HP except that they announced there will be no wm6 upgrade (the M700 has the upgrade).
what do you guys think? any other options or other ideas i may have missed? any reviews of the abovementioned phones to dissuade or persuade me?
btw, the E90 is kinda too big for me, though i like it. its also not wm.
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia-phones-1.php
Nice first post ....
Ok sarcasm mode off.
I am sure you will get lots of recommendations on which phone to go for, but in my experience the only person who can decide this is you. You have a very demanding list of requirements and sound as if you just needed to write down your thoughts to help you decide.
Personally I have an MDA Vario II (Hermes) with a TOMTOM bluetooth GPS unit and this works well for me.
If you need the *best* built-in GPS, the P3600 isn't the way to go either. Also, it's pretty useless for A2DP, should you ever need it.
So maybe the upcoming Kaiser for AD2P since its native WM6? Same gps module as the P3600 though (not that it's that the gps is that bad, just not the BEST ie. SIRF III). It is supposed to be available in late June, or July.
there is only one good phone on the market today, but impossible to buy.. The benq p51 ..good cpu, enough ram/rom, gps, wifi, bt, big enough screen (320*240)..but most important a full qwerty keyboard and hotpluggable sdcard. 1.3 megapixel camera is enough cause 2.0 megapixel doesn't make that big a differents. And no i don't want a 240*240 screen. It's bollocks when you have to see a streaming movie.
umts and other high speed connections is not done cause not payable in europe. Waaaay to expensive. Just for a few business users.
-my first pda was dell axim x5 ..still a great pda..use it for streaming movies and occasionally surfing in my bed. still in great shape.
-now i have a htc p3300 ..very small..bad cpu for streaming, bad camera, screen is to small for confort.the only advantage is build in gps.
- now i want the benq p51 and i don't have any problem with it if it's the last one on earth it has everything i need.
all the others pda phone from htc and other brands are missing something from my wishlist
the benq p51 is one of it's kind but like i said..impossible to find and buy
greetz
Why it is not payable in Europe for umts?
At least T-Mobile NL, we pay fixed monthly for HSDPA access:
https://www.t-mobile.nl/persoonlijk...internet_email/wat_heb_je_nodig/tarieven.aspx
9.95 euro for 64 Kbps
19.95 euro for 192 Kbps
...
Unlimited access !
And without subscription is 0.24 euro per 100 KB ... or 2.4 euro per MB which is quite cheap.
kasperke said:
there is only one good phone on the market today, but impossible to buy.. The benq p51 ..good cpu, enough ram/rom, gps, wifi, bt, big enough screen (320*240)..but most important a full qwerty keyboard and hotpluggable sdcard. 1.3 megapixel camera is enough cause 2.0 megapixel doesn't make that big a differents. And no i don't want a 240*240 screen. It's bollocks when you have to see a streaming movie.
umts and other high speed connections is not done cause not payable in europe. Waaaay to expensive. Just for a few business users.
-my first pda was dell axim x5 ..still a great pda..use it for streaming movies and occasionally surfing in my bed. still in great shape.
-now i have a htc p3300 ..very small..bad cpu for streaming, bad camera, screen is to small for confort.the only advantage is build in gps.
- now i want the benq p51 and i don't have any problem with it if it's the last one on earth it has everything i need.
all the others pda phone from htc and other brands are missing something from my wishlist
the benq p51 is one of it's kind but like i said..impossible to find and buy
greetz
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Thanks everyone for your thoughts.
I'll probably narrow it down to:
a) the g-smart i300 (no keypad)
b) m700 (65k colors, side keypad)
so which one do you think would be a better trade-off? higher screen color or side-keypad?
I need the keypad so when im driving i can punch numbers; a touchscreen works like hell when you do that. I need the color screen for playing videos and camera work. I guess the more important one is the keypad. Any bad reviews for the M700 from our current users? how about the gigabyte?
Forget those 2 ... and take a look into HTC Kaiser ..
htc trinity?
"high speed connections is not done cause not payable in europe. Waaaay to expensive. Just for a few business users."
not here
and i believe prices varies alot! in europe
here it's 1euro pr MB if you dont go flatrate
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Forget those 2 ... and take a look into HTC Kaiser ..
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3MP camera, 2nd camera, I like it. slide-out keyboard, not too fond of that but I'll work. nice ROM but CPU not that great. That puts it a little above the M700. how is the NMEA 0183 GPS compared to the SiRF Star III of the M700?
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htc trinity?
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yeah, as laid out the P3600 has 65k screen and no keyboard. id like one with keyboard/keypad.
Kaiser
is nice
though i think it's a bit ugly
and thick
and seem to be in the universal replacement
as in being closer to Advantage then a real pda phone
but apart from those issues it's everything i want in a phone
im not really one that cares for looks as long as all the functionality is there. the kaiser lacks screen resolution, otherwise its pretty good.
im now thinking about the HTC Nike, comparing whether its better to have a keypad than keyboard. i absolutely NEED the keypad, as in punching numbers while driving; but id also like a keyboard for when im doing wifi outdoors.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=736
yeah nike is sweet but i just know that one day what ever stop the slider thing from going all the way and sending the top part flying and hitting a busdriver in the eye so he run his bus into a full school of handicap'd kids will brake
Its funny I have the same dilema I was thinking of the two I like the i300 because its smaller but no keypad but the m700 is bigger and slower. So I am pushing more to the i300 which one did you pic? Also I like that the i300 has internal message and windows 6 update. But the m700 has a bigger screen and I can watch more movies....
1. this thing is HUGE and when I mean HUGE, I mean REALLY HUGE.
Just forget anything you ever new about a Pocket PC, the P6500 Sedna beats it all
in size, with the exception of the HTC X7xxx/Advantage series. Kind of a Pocket PC on steroids. I have small hands and I hardly(actually I can't at all) use this thing with one hand only, simply because my thumb isn't long enough.
2. the P6500 Sedna build quality is impeccable, this thing is really made of nice materials. The casing is black(not brownish as some pictures may indicate), it is a dull black, "stealth" like, not glittery at all and it feels well in your hand, kind of semi-soft material. This makes sure that this thing doesn't slide out of your hand accidentally.
3. the HUGE display which by the way only HTC and maybe god know why it is QVGA low resolution, is a bit dull and colors look washed out. Not really the display you want to use for video playback or viewing pictures. On the other hand, the display can be used outdoors, even in bright sunlight. Not as good as the display on my Blackberry Curve regarding direct sunlight but still very good. Also worth mentioning: you can easily use this display with your fingers only, simply because it is HUGE and because, surprise surprise, your fingerprints don't seem to stick to it. I used the P6500 for a couple of minutes with my fingers only and I wasn't able to see one single fingerprint on the display, very impressive.
4. can't say much about video playback capability, I didn't try it yet(my bad). The device feels responsive and fast though, not as fast as a homecooked WM 6 edition but still not bad at all.
5. the speaker is pretty loud, very nice. Ringtones and the speakerphone deliver a very good loudness, I like that. Not so nice: the speaker on the P6500 sounds a bit metal can like, not as pleasant as on other high quality phones.
6. reception is very good, I get a HSDPA connection most of the time and it is at par with the Nokia E90 I'd say. Very impressive seems to be the GPS reception quality, I got a FIRST fix(using Tom Tom 6) in about 15(!) seconds and even more impressive: I got this first fix under a covered(!) and closed roof windows...8(!) satellites. I was still able to receive the signal of 4(!) satellites around one meter away from the windows. WOW!
7. it is a pitty that HTC didn't supply some sort of belt holster for the P6500. The little cheap looking pouch supplied with the unit is pretty much useless. It will be difficult to find a fitting holster for this "little" giant.
8. the HTC P6500 comes pretty much naked, no navigation software installed, nothing special either. Just the fingerprint scanner software is supplied, nothing more.
9. the fingerprint scanner works flawlessly and it is very fast, it is fun to use, definetely.
I don't know how safe this baby is but it works so far very well.
10. the built-in 3MP camera delivers decent pictures but it annoys the user with a countdown from 3 to 1, seriously, no kidding. It is almost impossible to take fast moving pictures at the highest quality setting...well, maybe you could take a picture of a snail moving. HTC definetely needs to take some lessons in the camera department because so far, most of their cameras on their devices STINK.
11. the built-in 1GB NAND memory is a nice feature but with two SD(IO) slots, I wonder if this really was necessary. I don't understand why HTC didn't offer 256 MB RAM and 1GB Flash instead but anyway...1GB NAND is not bad at all, it is fast and you can't loose it.
What HTC could improve:
1. VGA instead of QVGA resolution
2. less "dull" and more colorful display
3. built-in phone speaker should sound more natural
4. camera without the annoying countdown
5. reduction of length by aprox. 1 cm, reduction of width by aprox. 0.5 cm and reduction of depth by aprox. 0.5 cm. This would improve the handling of the P6500 with one hand only
6. touch flow or similar would be actually perfect for the P6500, don't have a clue why it isn't even optional
Seriously, I got almost a shock when I saw the P6500 for the first time. It is SOOOOO HUGE. Still: the size has some sort of coolness factor, can't describe it with words.
Some retailers in Germany advertise the HTC P6500 as the perfect tool for the police, security forces, emergency services, etc. I'm not sure if this has to do with the built-in fingerprint scanner or if the unit is more rigid than other HTC units(no info here) but I still wonder what this giant could do more or better than other WM6 units. Yes, the P6500 has two SD(IO) slots, they come very handy and you may be able to install various tools like scanners, laser taggers or whatever. HTC eventually needs to launch a completely new accessory line for the P6500.
Is it worth buying it? Well...I don't know. Most dealers over here in Germany are asking around 750-799 EUR(incl. VAT) for the P6500, the dealer I played with it at asked 699 EUR for it, not bad compared to the others but still a lot of money. I own the Samsung i780 which is a VERY FAST Pocket PC with a gorgeous display and a great video playback capability, GPS, etc. etc. etc. I paid 450 EUR for this little thing, I just don't see the advantage of the additional 249 EUR for the P6500, especially since there don't seem to be homecooked ROMs available yet.
One things seems to be sure though: you won't see the P6500 Sedna in many hands, making it a pretty exotic Pocket PC in my opinion.
As soon as I have some testing results regarding video playback, etc., I'll post them here.
Sorry, no ROM dump since this isn't my property.
The unit I tested has ROM version 1.10.407.3 dated 01/23/08.
Radio ROM was 1.58.21.23.
The CPU is a Qualcomm 7200 at 400 MHz speed.
Little update regarding video playback: I played a 800MB sized video(Divx) file from a 4GB SDHC memory card using the TCPMP player. No stuttering at all, definetely MUCH better than HTC TyTN II video playback(heavy stuttering of video file).
So it seems to be true...the P6500 does have the necessary extra video drivers for the chipset.
Hi,
THX for the short review, could you please post (if possible) the OS mobile version, may be you can get post the video drivers too...!!
not the drivers, if you could dump the rom itself that would be great, if you go to htcclassaction.org, they are asking for rom dumps form the sedna, so maybe you can help them
Rory
rorydaredkign said:
not the drivers, if you could dump the rom itself that would be great, if you go to htcclassaction.org, they are asking for rom dumps form the sedna, so maybe you can help them
Rory
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I'dont think he'll do kind of extraction like that without the respective Hard SPL programm..!!!
qtek_metanol said:
Hi,
THX for the short review, could you please post (if possible) the OS mobile version, may be you can get post the video drivers too...!!
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Sorry but I already answered this:
1. this isn't my property, so I can't extract the ROM
2. I already provided the ROM/Radio version but
if you need to know details, here there are:
Windows Mobile 6 Professional 5.2.1622 (Build 18128.0.4.4)
Right now, I consider the P6500 to be some sort of special usage Pocket PC with no real value for the regular WM user and/or HTC gadget lover.
Yes, it looks weird and huge and the fingerprint scanner works great but this can't be all. The outdoor display is worth mentioning too but on the other hand, it seems to be "dull" and the colors look washed-out, not really a display for video playback and/or picture viewing. I hate to say this but stay away from this thing, it won't make you happy.
isnt there already a rom dump in the kaiser thread..
edit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=381254
Sorry if this is completly out of place here but I just have to ask!
I am getting tired of all the problems with HTC devices, and I am considering buying another device just to be able to do what I want!
Let´s face it, I have had many different HTC devices, and there is always a problem somewhere! Either it´s the video driver or gps lag or whatever...
Now, I am not ready to give up on my TP just yet, and that is mainly becouse of this great forum. So I am keeping my TP to see if things get better in the future!
But I still want to be able to use my GPS software properly, and would also like to be able to watch movies without having to bring another set of devices with me where ever I go!
I was looking at the new Touch HD, but it seems that it has video issues as well!
So now I was thinking about the Samsung Omnia!
All the reviews I read so far seems promising, the device is very fast and is even DivX certified!
My question is, have you used or do you own a Samsung Omnia?
If yes, then what is your opinion about it? Is it really as good as I think it is or is it just another HTC like device with many buggs?
Will I be able to watch my videos smoothly or not?
Will I be able to use the gps without lag?
How does it compare to TP when it comes to other programs and games?
How is the screen compared to TP, does it feal much bigger or not?
Or maybe you can suggest another device that meets my demands, I am open for sugestion!
I know these are alot of questions, but I hope that some of you can help me out here! I am really frustrated that I have to bring several different devices with me to be able to do everything that my expencive TP was supposed to be able to do!
Thanks to all of you in advance!
my 2 cents...
list out ur priorities in what you want and then choose from there...
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video = get iphone
GSP = get nokia
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for what u have stated, i'd personally get the HD over the Omina as its more sexy but its a bit bigger which is a turn off. If ur choices are limited to HD or Omina then I'd choose HD as I would think the battery would be better and lets face it... all phone are crap if the battery sucks...
venom037 said:
my 2 cents...
list out ur priorities in what you want and then choose from there...
ie
video = get iphone
GSP = get nokia
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for what u have stated, i'd personally get the HD over the Omina as its more sexy but its a bit bigger which is a turn off. If ur choices are limited to HD or Omina then I'd choose HD as I would think the battery would be better and lets face it... all phone are crap if the battery sucks...
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The fact the HD is bigger then Omnia is no issue for me, and I also think that HD is the better looking device!
However I read in the HD forum that HD still has problems with video playback, now if that is true it´s a complete turn off for me!
A negative, Omnia won't have world 3G (850/1900 + 2100).
NuShrike said:
A negative, Omnia won't have world 3G (850/1900 + 2100).
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I live in Sweden, does that apply even here or just for US?
branko.savic said:
The fact the HD is bigger then Omnia is no issue for me, and I also think that HD is the better looking device!
However I read in the HD forum that HD still has problems with video playback, now if that is true it´s a complete turn off for me!
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the default playback is not important to me as I only use CorePlayer... unless i'm mistaken and ur talking abt the phone hardware itself.... that i'm not technical enough to comment on.
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the default playback is not important to me as I only use CorePlayer... unless i'm mistaken and ur talking abt the phone hardware itself.... that i'm not technical enough to comment on.
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I think it is problem with hardware becouse they say that there is no smooth playback even with CP without converting!
Maybe another device is better then Omnia?
If Omnia is not as good, maybe you all can suggest me another device that will fit my needs?
Thanks!
I am responsible for the mobile devices in our company. I have a T-Mobile Vario IV (HTC Touch Pro) and a T-Mobile Vario III (HTC Kaiser) for my own use. I have ordered and configured 2 Samsung Omnia, 3 Vario IV, 3 Compact IV (HTC Diamond) and the best after all is the Vario IV.
The Omnia software feels not very well. The TF3D ist much more comfortable als feels really smooth.
If you can live without the g-sensor, get the Xperia X1 and put HD manilla on it.
Kraize said:
If you can live without the g-sensor, get the Xperia X1 and put HD manilla on it.
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I tought the X1 had a much smaller screen, and less RAM?
Bigger, higher res screen than touch pro, better battery too. And 3.5mm headphones. If only it had been available in Australia a month ago (still isn't). That said, I like my touch pro. The GPS isn't so bad it's not useful and it's a big improvement on my old Hermes...
I was trying to decide between the Omnia and the Pro myself. I ended up keeping my Touch Pro - largely because of the cost difference between identical plans with Sprint and Verizon.
Video will definitely run smoothly on the Omnia because it has a faster processor, and is not running a VGA screen. The screen is much lower resolution and nonstandard though it's bigger. That said, quality TV Out will be limited to files it's native player can output. Otherwise, you're only getting the resolution of the screen, 400 x 240 I think.
On the Touch Pro, I've gotten good performance with the files I normally play using either Coreplayer or Divx Player. I've heard bad reviews about unconverted files using TV Out - but am waiting for a cable to try myself.
When you're comparing screens - the Touch Pro is higher resolution but the Omnia is bigger. I can see positives and negatives to both in viewing webpages or images. But for video play and output the Omnia should be faster.
By the way, I should add that though the Touch HD has a bigger, 800 x 480 screen - video play should be slower/choppier than the Touch pro because it has the same processor. The same processor would have to move even more pixels, which is already causing slow performance with the Raphael's VGA screen.
The only possibility for better performance with a VGA (or higher) screen, is a faster processor or better integrated video drivers.
If I were you, I wouldn't sink a lot of money into a samsung phone. IMO they are generally not very good. That being said, the Omnia is obviously not a standard samsung.
pros
-it has innovative interface
-bigger screen
-good with media
cons
-lower res screen (is it wqvga? i think it is)
-NO STYLUS SLOT (huge turnoff)
no qwerty (we are comparing to touch pro here)
this being said, I feel that there is little the omnia can do that the pro can't. with coreplayer, video playback is flawless for me, even when i am viewing a 700mb divx encoded movie
I purchased omnia!
Okey, so I decided to buy the Omnia even if most of you voted against it!
Boy am I glad I did that!
I have spent almost this whole day testing the device, the first thing I tested was to copy a 1.2 gb Xvid movie to it, it played out of the box with it´s built in touch player so I did not even have to install CorePlayer! And do I even have to mention that it did not lag/stutter even once watching the whole movie, with alot of action scenes!
Then I installed TomTom 7 and BeeLine GPS and went out for a walk!
Testing BeelineGPS while walking was a whole different experience then with my Touch Pro, the compas view rotated and adjusted it´s position with every step I took! (With Touch Pro it only updated every 10 to 20 meters!) What a difference!
TomTom performed just as well, it followed my car exactly even in high speed!
And it is alot snappier then my Touch Pro even tho it has less ram! Rotating screen is an instant and overall performance is way better then the TP!
Bare in mind that I have installed custom speedy rom in my TP, and the Omnia is all original! Now imagine what this device can do with a custom rom!
I dont know about you, but I can just say that I dont believe I made a misstake with this device, but I have to keep testing it a bit more, just had it one day so far!
venom037 said:
my 2 cents...
list out ur priorities in what you want and then choose from there...
ie
video = get iphone
GSP = get nokia
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for what u have stated, i'd personally get the HD over the Omina as its more sexy but its a bit bigger which is a turn off. If ur choices are limited to HD or Omina then I'd choose HD as I would think the battery would be better and lets face it... all phone are crap if the battery sucks...
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As I said, I bought the omnia yesterday, and today after two days of pretty heavy use, I still have 40% battery left!
So the batter is in fact better then in my tp which did not even last for one full day!
What network has the Omnia? I want one! This fuze has done nothing but frustrate me! What carrier are you with?
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What network has the Omnia? I want one! This fuze has done nothing but frustrate me! What carrier are you with?
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I live in Sweden so I am not familiar with the networks in us, but this is what I see in my Omnia settings: Automatic, GSM 900/1800, GSM 850/1900 and WCDMA!
I should point out that this is a 3G device and it works great here in sweden, it also has HSDPA (Hight speed internet!)
Hope this helps!
I love my Omnia, but especially with this ROM: http://www.modaco.com/content/i900-...illa2d-with-flashlite-3-1-and-uc-dthj9-m2d03/
But I can get a great deal on a Fuze through work and I'm tempted to pick one up as well... this last month or so that I've had the Omnia is the first time since the Blue Angel came out that I haven't had an HTC device
If you know my H.264 bible (link to original HERE; note that it has the charts messed up. The latter, without problems, can be found HERE or in any other mirrors I've listed at the end of the original article; see the paragraph starting with "Cross-posted to"), you may be aware of that, so far, no Windows Mobile device was able to play back “high”- resolution H.264 videos.
I refer to videos 640 (or more) pixels wide; this, practically, also means it’s fully impossible to play back 720p (that is, 1280-wide) H.264 videos if you don’t disable bilinear filtering or CABAC at encoding time and deblocking at runtime. (Or, you don’t use the simple profile to create a video that is comparatively easy to decode and not includes any goodies like CABAC or bilinear filtering.) If you do all the available techniques to increase video quality, not any of the current Windows Mobile devices will deliver a stuttering-free video playback.
The new Toshiba TG01 with it brand new 1 GHz Snapdragon CPU seems to have changed this all. At the Toshiba booth of MWC, I had the chance to play with the forthcoming TG01. Incidentally, interestingly, at Microsoft’s booth, along with the HTC Diamond II (which I had the chance to play at HTC’s booth and, frankly, found it to be pretty mediocre), the device was behind glass and couldn’t be tested; no such restrictions existed at Toshiba’s booth.
I’ve tested the video playback and H.264 decoding performance with the 464 kbps H.264 video HERE (feel free to conduct the benchmark yourself to make sure I have the right figures). The benchmark, as can be seen in the following screenshot, resulted in a very impressive decoding efficiency: 148%! Again, this is around 100% on contemporary Windows Mobile PDA’s – that is, the speed difference is about 50%. It seems switching to the new platform indeed does deliver some substantive speed increase – unlike the case with the 206 MHz StrongARM -> 400 MHz Intel Xscale PXA-250 switch back in 2002, under Pocket PC 2002.
Gaming and 3D performance was equally good. The device has (enabled) 3D acceleration. I’ve made and posted to YouTube three different videos. THIS one shows a simple tech demo; THIS shows Prince of Persia in action (yes, I know it’s upside down; tomorrow, I take my tripod with me and make a far better video) and, finally, THIS shows a 3D sphere-alike GUI. Note that all these videos are 640*480; as soon as the Panasonic G1 HD or the Canon 500D (hopefully the latter with HD video) comes out, I upgrade to it. Until then, I can only make videos at 15 fps at 1024*768; this is why I've gone for the smaller, but two times faster VGA ones so that you can have a real picture of the speed.
All these three demos / games use the full WVGA screen estate (that is, 800*480) to render their content. Everything is crystal clear.
Note that there are some games that don’t seem to be hardware accelerated. Gameloft’s Asphalt4 is, unfortunately, one of them. I had the chance of playing it on the Samsung Omnia at MWC, on Gameloft’s booth and was really disappointed. It has low resolution and very bad, stuttering graphics – far-far inferior to the hardware accelerated, absolutely perfect iPhone version. Unfortunately, the situation is the same on the TG01 as can also be seen in THIS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRgu9CEcTAM&feature=related test video.
Now, I only wish the TG01
- Had a D-Pad on the front (there is a LOT of unused space on the face of the device – much more than on, say, the iPhone) to allow for playing games. This device would be an excellent gaming / emulation device – but the lack of a D-pad severely hampers this usage. Read: very few games that require a D-pad for control will be playable.
- Supported call recording (the Toshi folks I’ve asked stated the TG01, unfortunately, won’t allow for recording calls).
- Had a better camera – like that of the (better) Nokia N-series phones or the Samsung Omnia HD.
- Had stereo speakers – again, like some Nokia N-series handsets or the brand new Samsung Omnia HD.
Other, various Toshi shots (click the thumbnails for much larger shots)
(Note that I’ll try to post more tomorrow; for example, direct size comparisons with the iPhone etc.)
As always great report!!
Thanks a lot for bringing this!
Here is another nice game demo in the 2nd half of the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUQD6XLw4ck
nice specs, lets see how the retailpart turns out, 1ghz with just 1000mAh + 800x480 4.1" screen sounds very much like the diamond -> battery dead after one day (if its used).
was the screen capacitive?
Any news on when it might be released?
sdlopez83 said:
was the screen capacitive?
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nope, unfortunately. I'll try to install Opera Mobile on it to find out more about the responsiveness of the screen compared to the iPhone.
Looks awesome. They say if they will make a US 3G version? If so (and maybe even if not) I will have to get one!
New video posted to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=484266 ; soon, I post some size comparisons with the iPhone 3G.
billu said:
Any news on when it might be released?
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What I've read: 20th week (don't kno where, hopefully here in Europe, so it's on time for my birthday)
This just might be my next device! (or Touch HD because of the community, but hey, who knows how large the TG1 community will become)
Nice report, thanks
To my surprise, the battery is stated 1000 mAH, which is less than HTC Kaiser (1350 mAH) ... and they still say 11 days standby, 5 hours talk time. If that's true then it is amazing. Even though I am very skeptical.
And how about possibility to upgrade to WinMo 6.5? I know that WinMo 6.5 requires a hardware button, but I saw a button that in front It is not funny if it cannot be upgraded to 6.5.
Nope, you will not be able to upgrade the TG01 to 6.5 officially. You'll have to use a cooked rom.
Regards,
Carl.
Hello!
So I have been enjoying my new X2 for the most part. While benchmarks are mostly not as good as my Xperia Z Ultra (other my other tablets for that matter), the overall smoothness of it specially switching windows etc is much better than my Xperia Z Ultra.
The main issue I am having is BAD Wifi performance. I was noticing issues with Youtube streaming and didnt realize why until I did a Speed Test today. In the exact spot that my Xperia Z Ultra gets around 90Mb downloads my X2 is barely making 29Mb!
This is out of any case just to make sure it was not blocked. In fact, I brought it right next to the Router and still won't just made it to 40Mb.
Anyone else experiencing this? This could be a deal breaker for me :/
Yeah the Wifi on the X2 always seemed slower than most of my phones. I'm not sure what causes it but I've gotten used to it. Honestly I think Huawei should have used a better processor in the X2 but for the price of it it's hard to complain. i just ran a speedtest on my X2 and my new Mi Max and got the same results on both. I have FIOS Quantum 100/100 here. I'm getting only around 40/50 on both phones. You have me sitting here now comparing the wifi performance of both phones and they both seem to be similar although my Mi Max is slightly faster but not much. Which rom are you on now? Have a look at this:
http://phandroid.com/2015/05/13/comcast-wireless-gateway-lollipop-bug/
Try forgetting your wireless network and add it manually and set a static IP address. I use OpenDNS for my FIOS connection here because if I don't Youtube videos always buffer and video playback sucks.