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Considering Orbit 2...a few questions

I currently have a Blue Angel and I'm considering upgrading to an Orbit 2.
How would the performance compare between the 2? They're both 400MHz, but I just wondered how the Qualcomm is compared to the XScale?
Apart from the video driver issue, are there any other problems with it? I'd mainly be usig it for a phone, and running Tomtom.
Thanks!

Seriously... Don't bother!

LOL...it's that bad?
Can you explain why?

You will miss your qwerty. I don't know your Blue Angel, But my TC (i think all PocketPCs) has a delay when somebody calls you. Your phone will ring/vibrate after the one who calls you hears the first ring. So if somebody just gives you a call with one ring (bip) you won't hear it! Is it the same in your case, or mine is special? Maybe somebody else with TC can confirm/infirm this...

Yea, mine sort of have that sort of dealy.
I don't use my QWERTY keyboard anyway so that's not a problem.

the_scotsman said:
LOL...it's that bad?
Can you explain why?
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Just everything about it...
The build quality is terrible. Feels like a new hobbyist threw it together in 5 mins.
It seriously underperforms compared to my Old SE P990i and older XDA's
The modifications o2 have made to the software are rubbish.
I'm miffed I didn't hold out for the SE X1i

^ In your opinion, yes its not perfect, the screen is less than ideal but the build quality is great I think. Much better than my old SE P series phone which used to creak whenever squeezed etc and the flush screen is better than orbit 1
But I would hold out for the Diamond

I want the built in GPS, and the Diamond prices ae too much for what it is...
Any other decent HTCs with built in GPS?

the_scotsman said:
I currently have a Blue Angel and I'm considering upgrading to an Orbit 2.
How would the performance compare between the 2? They're both 400MHz, but I just wondered how the Qualcomm is compared to the XScale?
Apart from the video driver issue, are there any other problems with it? I'd mainly be usig it for a phone, and running Tomtom.
Thanks!
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I've just switched from a Hermes/Tytn to the Orbit2. HardSPL'd it and installed the WM6.1 that's been floating about here and installed TomTom.
Losing the keyboard is a bit annoying (on screen is usable, but nowhere near as good) - but I realized I very rarely typed anything and smaller sized massively outweighs it.
GPS works very well - especially as Quick GPS which really does work.
Downsides:
Lost keyboard.
Upsides:
GPS - now just not having to lug around and charge my BT GPS module, but now much faster and lets me do all manner of stuff (geo-tag photos with a reg tweak), GPS trackers allowing me to see where I've been in google maps blah blah.
Much better camera - not so much the 2M -> 3M change - but AUTOFOCUS.
SMALLER - now it's not a small phone, but it's not an f'in brick like the last one.
No real difference noticed between the processors. Latest 6.1 I put on my Hermes made it lovely and snappy - and performs exactly the same on the Polaris. Only reservation I've got with the polaris is the screen res (i.e. same old rubbish). Not entirely convinced Hi-res WM is much better though after playign with colleagues PDAs - I've got an ipod touch and THAT is what i'd want somehow wedged into my phone..
In summary, if you want a phone now, I'd definitely get the XDA. If you can wait maybe see how Diamond and 3G iPhone stack up.
#edit - and build quality on my XDA (at least) is perfect. Nice solid feeling thing, love the slightly rubberized case.

Thanks very much for your opinion...I think I might just go with the Orbit 2 after all...a VGA screen would be nice, but I'm happy enough to have the standard one...and it's a little smaller than my BLue Angel so that's always a benefit.

Seriously this is an outstanding device. Software is software and any issues can 99% of the time be sorted with it and normally are, especially when you browse around these forums. Also bare in mind that all these devices now use windows mobile so I don't understand why someone would fault the Orbit 2 over another windows mobile device because of the software it comes with.....anyway the hardware itself is exceptional, I've posted a mini review if you look through my post history and there's plenty of in-depth reviews out there.
Losing the keyboard is a good thing in my opinion. A keyboard isn't necessary, its just as easy (if not easier) to use the software input (my personal preference is a T9 style pad that learns words and is very quick to use with just one hand like a normal phone) and obviously you save on weight and bulk.
The Orbit 2 looks great, is extremely responsive and comfortable to use and in my opinion is the best windows mobile device availible at this time.
Quick edit! - regarding the SW, the rom that the O2 Orbit 2 comes with is actually fine anyway, i've never encountered any issues with it - it would be nice to have the threaded SMS that 6.1 has but aside from that its fine and works great. Cheers!

SOunds like you're pretty damn happy with it then
So the 200MHz processor isn't an issue? Still responds well? Thing like TOmtom run well?

The Orbit 2 has a 400MHz CPU, it was the original Orbit that had 200 -it also has twice the amount of memory. TomTom was perfectly useable on the original Orbit but it noticeably runs smoother on the Orbit 2 - The Orbit 2 is a lot better at managing multiple tasks at the same time.
I was in two minds before upgrading becasue I had the original Orbit and wasn't sure if I'd get my money's worth. I was going to send it back if I wasn't happy with it. I'm more than happy with it though as you can tell! its a great device. You've always got that 14 day cooling period with O2 anyway so you may as well give it a go for yourself.

doh...you're right...I was thinking of the original Orbit.
No 14 day cooling off for me..I'm in Australia so the only way to get at a decent price is eBay.
I think I've been convinced to get the Orbit 2...just a pity it doesn't have VGA...and the diamond will probably be a fair amount more than the Orbit 2

Actually a the Diamond will be cheaper then the Polaris/Orbit2... But my oppinion is that the VGA is too much on a 2.8" screen...

The Orbit 2 is a damn good toy... after tuning the cache and graphic settings..speed was even better than before..
also gps works great...a lot of stuff in a small little case...

I am also happy with my orbit 2, copilot in mo is better then tomtom i have both installed.
I like golive's interface and extra settings plus the website for tracking is a good feature.
The Software available is none stop from here and other sources, unlike the iphone i had that you could only load decentish software if you hacked it..
a couple of minor gripes, the screen is a little shiny for sunny day use and the camera could be alot better.
apart from that i am very happy with it, let hops the diamond touch flo 3d becomes available then that will make this device look great.
the hsdpa speed is great when in the right areas, 50k download speed from my laptop...
the gps seems acurate enough, fast on a warm start as well.
its performance could be a little better but overall its very good.
I would install opera mini as i have found this much better then ie and opera mobile for day to day use.
as for the missing keyboard, try touchpal or the diamond keyboards, also make sure you adjust the sensivity of the screen do a search on here, i think the keyboard is great been software as you can load loads of different types and type quicker with the stylus on some over a flip out keyboard.
the flip out keyboard types can be a little thicker as well you cannot replace or remap keys like a software keyboard so there are plus's and minus's to both concepts...
if you type alot then get a bluetooth keyboard, or a laptop.....
i don't think you will b unhappy with your purchase...

Actually imho any HTC device when just introduced will very rarely be upto my expectation and initially i am always dissapointed,for the first few days,its just a matter of customizing(a heart felt thanks to this forum for teaching us how too) to our personal choice and then i just can't seem to live without them.When i took the Cruise i returned it the next day,very dissapointed with the handset,nothing it could do(and in the factory state it could'nt domuch)was enough,I thought that my Kaiser was far better,then after going through the Cruise forum went and picked it up again,customized it and now wonder how did I ever think negatively abbout this handset,I just love it the feel of it in my hand and also the perfomance,ended up keeping both the Kaiser and Cruise without regrets.

Best WM device for its money?!

Hey there guys,
New to this great Comunity, still new to Windows Mobile.
I'm a tech geek alright, and I love having all the newest tech gadgets around. I've wanted to get a WM phone so many times throughout the last few years but they were always behind in lots of aspects compared to the Symbian ones. Then HTC released its TyTNII with its holy specs, great design and somewhat compact size. This was my phone! Yeah, right! Then I found out about this huge issue with the video performance and followed it for about three monts waiting for a solution either from HTC or XDA. And OK - HTC had some problems with Qualcomm support for its stolen from Broadcomm chipsets whatever. So they released Diamond (and announced Raphael) with a new chipset and "3D GPU" which "processor enhances the user interface". And then again it needs tweaks to make it - not better, but just usable. Then all the other bugs and flaws users say about in this forum.
Can't HTC build a quality device that just works out of the box?! Then leave it to us mostly to customize it and somehow improve its usability!? Man, everyday I read about newer and bigger bugs and flaws. May be most of them will be overcomed thanks to this comunity, but were is HTC with its support for its high-priced devices!?
And again I'm about to leave the idea of having WM phone.
I've looked around for any other brands and models but found none more appealing. What do you think? What's the best WM device I can get in the next few months?
Any opinions are much appreciated.

To be honest, I've grown quite tired of Windows Mobile. I used to like it more, but it seems like I spent way too much time getting things to work. Also, the interface is very user UN-friendly, which makes doing simple tasks like calling someone too time consuming. Then there is the random freeze ups like the one I had today, which caused me to miss 5 calls and no warning lights or anything.
I like the cusomizabilty, but sometimes, I just want something that works right out of the box. Also, performance wise, all of the HTC/WM phones I've used are sluggish. (My mogul, friend's 6700, another friend's Kaiser/TyTnII). The redraw time when you flip out the keyboard is rediculous, specially if you have a few plugins.
Overall, I may give one more WM phone a try, if I am impressed by it at the store. But I doubt it. I just don't see Microsoft doing any innovations since they hold the crown as far as market share goes in the U.S. Maybe when an Android phones comes out...

partyhardy said:
To be honest, I've grown quite tired of Windows Mobile. I used to like it more, but it seems like I spent way too much time getting things to work. Also, the interface is very user UN-friendly, which makes doing simple tasks like calling someone too time consuming. Then there is the random freeze ups like the one I had today, which caused me to miss 5 calls and no warning lights or anything.
I like the cusomizabilty, but sometimes, I just want something that works right out of the box. Also, performance wise, all of the HTC/WM phones I've used are sluggish. (My mogul, friend's 6700, another friend's Kaiser/TyTnII). The redraw time when you flip out the keyboard is rediculous, specially if you have a few plugins.
Overall, I may give one more WM phone a try, if I am impressed by it at the store. But I doubt it. I just don't see Microsoft doing any innovations since they hold the crown as far as market share goes in the U.S. Maybe when an Android phones comes out...
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Give blackberry a chance They've never failed me. Infact, I had my HTC Touch Dual for about a month before switching back. lol.

calling someone is too complicated?
1.) hit the green button
2.) start tapping away or choose speed dial
3.) hit the green button
its similar to what other phones want from you in order to know who you want to call. If thats too complicated, you may also try voice commander?
that beeing said, I am very happy with my new i-mate 9502, but I also considered the samsung i780 and it looks like people who bought it are very happy with it, especially with the form factor and performance.
edit: key for me with winMo devices are things like hardware keys, to reach functions quickly, using a good launcher/today setup like pocketplus +
phoneweaver + todayagenda, etc. and a nice hardware keyboard.

partyhardy said:
simple tasks like calling someone too time consuming. Then there is the random freeze ups like the one I had today, which caused me to miss 5 calls and no warning lights or anything.
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Calling is simple, one button... de ding "call simon mobile" etc.
The no error message and not getting calls though is an issue i dislike.
I want a "nippy" device we need better hardware to run the software and better software optimisation for the hardware.

i just bought htc touch enhanced couple of days ago, and for the price it's great. Now with the Diamond coming out, htc touch is getting cheaper, but it's great to use nontheless.
Installed some stuff on it, not enough to make it sluggish but enough to make it a pure pleasure to use and i would definitely recommend it.
Prekrasen telefon za tzenata si.

partyhardy said:
To be honest, I've grown quite tired of Windows Mobile. I used to like it more, but it seems like I spent way too much time getting things to work. Also, the interface is very user UN-friendly, which makes doing simple tasks like calling someone too time consuming. Then there is the random freeze ups like the one I had today, which caused me to miss 5 calls and no warning lights or anything.
I like the cusomizabilty, but sometimes, I just want something that works right out of the box. Also, performance wise, all of the HTC/WM phones I've used are sluggish. (My mogul, friend's 6700, another friend's Kaiser/TyTnII). The redraw time when you flip out the keyboard is rediculous, specially if you have a few plugins.
Overall, I may give one more WM phone a try, if I am impressed by it at the store. But I doubt it. I just don't see Microsoft doing any innovations since they hold the crown as far as market share goes in the U.S. Maybe when an Android phones comes out...
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But why cusomizabilty has to be at the expense of stability? Is it imposible to have a device that is performing great out of the box and has the potential to get improved usability by applications and custom tweaks? That would be the device for me. Don't get me wrong. I'm no mass user, I would consider myself as a techie business user and as such I need a device that I can rely on from the moment I buy it. I don't have the comfort to spend a small fortune and experiment weeks, even months with tweaking it just to make it work properly. I've always thought of WM as of business devices but I guess I was wrong.

demonizator said:
But why cusomizabilty has to be at the expense of stability? Is it imposible to have a device that is performing great out of the box and has the potential to get improved usability by applications and custom tweaks? That would be the device for me. Don't get me wrong. I'm no mass user, I would consider myself as a techie business user and as such I need a device that I can rely on from the moment I buy it. I don't have the comfort to spend a small fortune and experiment weeks, even months with tweaking it just to make it work properly. I've always thought of WM as of business devices but I guess I was wrong.
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Note that the people that use this site are not those that are going to say "my device is great" and then go away... The kind of people here are either those not satisfied, or those that want a little bit more from the hard ware and are not representative of all the device users.
The Diamond is an immensely powerfully device, and even with the UI stacked on top, it ticks away far more reliably than the iPhone (which for me just locked up a lot). If you don't like the UI, disable it and you'll have one of the most powerful WM devices there is...
WM devices don't need tweaking, but this site is devoted to tweaking them. I ran my Prophet perfectly happily on the stock WM5 ROM for over a year, before discovering this site to get it unlocked when the contract ended. I didn't need to tweak it or flash countless ROMs, but I wanted to...

I really hope you're right. I'm gonna wait a little bit more and get the Touch Pro version. It's just all these flaws I read about that stopped me from buying WM the past few years. But I guess I have to give up something to gain something more.

Maybe you want to take a look to the new Samsung. It seems as it's going to be a good device.
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1039

WM6 for the money?
I bought a Dash on ebay and upgraded it to WM6 for $150.00.
I have a Mogul now, but the Dash was way easier to use.

In terms of bang-for-the-buck I think the Samsung i780 takes the cake. It is the most specced out phone in that price category. And if you buy one today it will have the newer firmware so it shouldn't have any real issues.
Oh and calling people on a WiMo phone is far easier than any other phone. Voice Command baby. It's the reason I can't leave the WiMo platform even if there are other great choices like the iPhone, Blackberry or even the all-but-dead Palm Treos. And if you DON'T like using Voice Command come on it's very easy to call someone as mentioned. In fact, back when Nokia had crap for menus and directional pads to get to your contacts WiMo phones had touchscreens that made it really easy in comparison. Today the touchscreen is still easier to use than the various jog dials, joysticks or what not that conventional phones have.

+1 for the i780. It is by far the quickest and most responsive PPC I have ever used, and the form factor is perfect. No rotating screens to wait for, all the keyboard shortcuts you could want, terrific build quality, good battery life, bargain price, and none of the HTC Flo-bloat that turns their machines from reasonable PPCs into lagging, crash-happy iPhone wannabes.

I gotta add a +2 for the I780 as well.
I was holding out for a touch pro myself, in fact i cut out a picture of it and put it on my wall at the office. Iv'e owned quite a few HTC models over the last while as well as a I600, and i gotta say the I600 altho it had less functionality far outshined all but my tytn 2, altho the tytn 2 could not match the I600 im picture quality with the camera.
Last week i was in vodacom shop and saw the I780 demo model, picked it up and played with it for a while and i must say it has been a long time since a phone made me go "wow" , i was totaly amazed at the speed of the thing, the look and feel of it is great, samsung put alot of work into making the menu's just right for any user from beginner to power user. I made up my mind right there and then and bought one on my credit card, that was 7 days ago.
my experience so far :
Proprioty connector sux since i have a bunch of standard usb cables lying around, but still its not a train smash since you get usb cable, car charger, spare battery as well as a seperate portable battery charger as well with the phone.
Speed is AWSOME, 624mhz of power you will definitely notice, i have not found a single movie clip that has once lagged or was out of sinc with video/audio. this phone is really FAST, even when multi tasking it doesnt slow down. i have 2 friends who own tytn 2 and both commented on the speed, they both think i tweaked it to make it faster, they refuse to believe its the stock speed. ofcourse i did not tweak it.
Plenty of memory, i have 152mb free memory space on the phone and i have around 20 apps installed. the phone can also technicaly take up to 32gb cards i have read, altho most users use 1gb-8gb.
GPS is great, i had a bit of problem setting it up as i didnt bother reading the manual etc, but once i figured it out it worked like a charm, it pin pointed me in seconds. google maps work great as well. Garmin XT which comes with the phone is in my opinion far better than tomtom could ever be so i am very happy with samsung's choice of gps software.
Touch pad mouse was what put me off buying the phone in the first place, but after 6 days i find myself using it more than anything else, it was weird to use the first few days but it is second nature now and the phone just wouldnt be the same without it.
the keypad looks really tiny and i have biggish fingers. I dont know why, maybe its because they are beveled quite a bit or something, but i find it very easy and comfortable to use, do yourself a favour and try it on a demo model, you will see what i mean. the phone has a bunch of shortcut keys that sit in all the right spots, thumbs up to samsung for doing a good job there. one thing i would have liked was a jog dial for easy up and down scrolling in opera, I downloaded a app that changes volume up/down to scroll up/down and my problem was solved.
Screen is nice and bright, even in sunlight i dont have a problem. 320x320 at 128dpi is not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. 95% of software out there works flawless at this resolution, since the release of the phone software developers have all been upgrading to support it. its mainly only HTC home that is a problem, but spb mobile which has more funtions works perfect so i am not bothered. I have installed all 20 of my favorite apps and all work nicely so im happy. there are some games that might be an issue tho, but its mostly old titles, every new game being released supports this resolution.
3G. Wireless, HSDPA etc : with my tytn 2 i had 1 bar to my router from the living room, with this phone i have almost full signal, i was really surprised with that. in the bathroom i used to get gprs only with the tytn 2, with this phone i get 3G+. anyway, that is how i have compared it to my old phone and found this one to have far better signal quality.
overall i love the phone, i am convinced i made the right choice. i would have loved a flash to be included with the phone, but other than that i just cant find any flaws.
I cant really comment on battery life as i am still playing with everything alot and using more battery life than i would on avarage, but currently battery lasts me almost 2 full days and trust me, i put it under alot of stress plus you get a second battery with the phone for free. but i estimate 3 to 4 days if you dont put to much strain on it.
O also forgot to mention, video calling worked out of the box much to my surprise. phone came with the E1 rom installed.
Software currently on phone and working perfectly :
Skype
SmS Chat ( threaded sms app )
google maps
Opera
core player
real player
Esmertec Jbed
Advabced config Tools
Adobe reader
Fun contact
Keyswop
Pocket IRC
Pocket Rar
PqzII
Safemode 2
Garmin XT
SPB Mobile shell
WKTaskL
Samsung today plugin
Astraware Casino
Tetris
Machines of war
Flash player
Total commander
Call firewall.
And no i did not install realvga, i am using the default 128dpi resolution i got the phone with.
Anyway, hope this helps with your descision. what you really need to do it test the phone yourself, i warn you tho, once you pick it up you wont want to put it down
In my country the HTC Tytn 2 is selling for R8900, and its already an dated model.
the I780 is selling for R5200 which is ALOT cheaper and this phone blows smoke in the tytn 2's face. so in my opinion this is by far the best bang for buck out there.
Its kinda like buying a 9600gt when everyone else is buying the 8600gts .... just love seeying their faces when they realise they just pissed away a chunk of cash on the wrong thing
If all else fails read this : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411053

The best windows mobile device for it's money is undoubtely the HTC Shift, for a mere 1000 dollars you'll get a run-down WindowsMobile OS, but also Vista. So you'll have a hybrid for the price of just a good laptop.
Isn't is great ?

I think the HTC Touch PRO will blow the competition away, seriously!!!
I was a symbian freak for years untill I bought my current device, the HTC S710 "Vox". Before the Vox I went trough several Symbian S60 devices including Nokia 7610, 6630, N70 & N73.
At first I thougt wm was a complete mess... and the UI looked terrible imo... I was also a bit shocked that there was no copy/paste (at least in wm6 standard). In S60 there was a dedicated pencil key used for just copy/paste actions + other stuff..
Things have changed...
Now after using my Vox fox exactly one year there's no way I'd go back to only using symbian S60 again.
Even though I'm only using the non-touch version of wm I've noticed all the advantages of wm compared with symbian S60.
Let me list a few of them:
1. Messaging: Sending SMS & MMS with a S60 device is OK but nothing more, the whole messaging interface in a S60 3d edition device is inferior. It's hard to explain but it's just doesn't compare to what it feels like on a wm device. It's like using a 3310 with a color screen if you know what I mean. Oooold T9 (forget about xt9 with word prediction & etc), the whole interface looks like a joke, and the S60 MMS editor doesn't even have a 3'rd of every options you can find in a standard WM device these days.
2. Email: OMG, If you wanna check your mail on a S60 device you'll be seriously depressed. Reading emails on a S60 device is like reading a standard SMS. You can forget all about HTML email and everything looks incredibly boring. Yes there are some really good 3rd party apps like profimail but still they're no match for the built-in mobile outlook when it comes to displaying your emails.
3. Calendar: There's no comparision here, WM6 calendar thrumps the S60 one, nothing more to say!
4. Contacts: S60 is far far behind, there's so much easier and faster finding a contact in WM6, especially when you can search contacts quickly just by typing there first letters using xt9... And with Live messenger integrated (love it or hate it) with contacts it's a nice addition imo.
5. Office applications: OMG... This is overkill for S60!!! Even WM6 standard edition nowadays includes Office mobile which beatifully renders word, excell & powerpoint files. It's a shame it doesn't allow you to create new documents (on WM6 standard) but that can easily be fixed with a simple patch from modaco forums... S60 includes quickoffice, it's not a bad application at all but documents rendered in quickoffice doesn't even look nearly as good as they do in office mobile.
6. WIFI: No competition here at all... WM is superior in remembering hotspots and connectivity.
7. ActiveSync: Says it all doesn't it??? Nokia have PC Suite, it's a great app but it's no match if you're using outlook... It works ok but doesn't sync everything like activesync does so wm is the winner here as well....
8. Live Messenger: Probably not very important to a lot of people but for me it's very important. With WM6 I can use the native WM Live messenger client completely for free. There's no way to do that on Symbian because MS is charging for using it on other platforms
There's probably more I could add to the list but I must mention all my troubles with wm in the beginning have been solved, I'm using Vito Copy/Paste for the copy & paste issue & I've also added celetask to a hardware key so my phone actually works better in this apartment than I could ever wish four... Of course Symbian S60 also have advantages, like better cameras & video recording, more display colors & better gaming with the new N-gage platform etc... but in the end I think WM is a more advanced & better platform. I think WM is more appealing for geeks & techheads because you can tweak your device to infinity. And I'm still only talking about WM Standard, WM6 PRO is even more versatile.
S60 is fun for a while but in the end it gets boring as hell...

partyhardy said:
To be honest, I've grown quite tired of Windows Mobile. I used to like it more, but it seems like I spent way too much time getting things to work. Also, the interface is very user UN-friendly, which makes doing simple tasks like calling someone too time consuming. Then there is the random freeze ups like the one I had today, which caused me to miss 5 calls and no warning lights or anything.
I like the cusomizabilty, but sometimes, I just want something that works right out of the box. Also, performance wise, all of the HTC/WM phones I've used are sluggish. (My mogul, friend's 6700, another friend's Kaiser/TyTnII). The redraw time when you flip out the keyboard is rediculous, specially if you have a few plugins.
Overall, I may give one more WM phone a try, if I am impressed by it at the store. But I doubt it. I just don't see Microsoft doing any innovations since they hold the crown as far as market share goes in the U.S. Maybe when an Android phones comes out...
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Performance issue of WM are device specific. After being a HTC hardcore for many years, and after quite a number of frustating moments I decided to switch.....almost bought myself the new Nokia E71 and abandon WM altotgether BUT - I decided to give it one more try with WM and now it's with a Samsung. And that's how I ended with the i780.
With the i780 (DXHE1 Rom), it's like a rediscovery for me. After getting used to HTC sluggishness and sporadic freeze-ups, I was genuinely astounded by how nimble and steadfast this i780 is. I can recall until now I have not encountered any freeze-ups no matter how I abuse the programs running back to back. Yes some buggy program may screw up but the nice thing is it won't freeze the whole phone unlike HTC devices where a single program fails it will bring down the whole phone.
And for the price, the i780 is a steal. It has all the arsenal one could expect from HTC flagship models yet it cost way cheaper - that is a real deal to me.
If you are done with HTC, don't blame it on WM. Try different make, like i-Mate Arima build or Samsung or even Asus.

ETEN Glofiish X800 vs TyTNII?

Hello guys...
After some technical problems with my Kaiser (now in service), and after realizing that I don't really use the hardware keyboard all that much (a major criterion when I chose Kaiser), I was thinking of trading it for the ETEN Glofiish X800. I'm tempted by the 500MHz processor and the brilliant VGA screen, however are there any opinions on how well it fares in other issues? GPS, overall speed etc?
Thanks in advance,
t

if you don't want a keyboard anymore, you should maybe also consider the HTC Touch Diamond...very small and light, nice vga screen, gps, 4GB internal memory, etc.

Hmmm you could be right, I didn't think of that. Its processor is running @ 400MHz instead of 500, though, and a full €100/$160 more than the X800, so I'm not sure how it compares. One big plus is the wealth of custom ROMs lying around - haven't seen anything for the ETEN device...
Thanks for the advice

btw, don't forget to consider the iPhone 3G too...maybe not so interessting if you have a lot of windows mobile specific applications...but for normal use like mail, phone, calendar, etc it can be interessting.
anyway, before buying any new device, I can advice everyone to wait like a month or two, untill the iPhone 3G gets available everywhere. I hope the prices of many other windows mobile devices will drop after the 3G introduction.
the diamond and 3g are very comparable device, still the diamond costs 500euro and the 3g will be something like 300euro (without contract) in Belgium. so i expect htc will have to drop theire prices to concurrent with apple.

Ah no, not interested in iPhones! Not only do I need the Windows functionality indeed, but I have developed a certain anti-anti-establishment feeling against it, I just hate how 'hip' it has become
Still competition is good nonetheless. Now, I wonder, why on earth hasn't the TyTNII come down since its launch, at least in Greece? Still going for €800!

i too still prefer windows mobile because of some applications I couldn't live without...but after playing for a while with an iPhone I was really impressed with its responsiveness and stability. It couldn't nearly do as much as what I can do with my windows mobile device, but the things that the iPhone could do were working very well, very smooth. And that's something I can't say from my pocket pc. But anyway, I already got used to the many crashes and softreset that it now doesn't really bother me anymore

So have I, have used Windows for so long I'm all too used to it The firts major disadvantage of the iPhone would be the GPS functionality - what would I do without my iGo?
So, anyone with an idea about the ETEN vs HTC?

eten FTW! i just wished it had a BIGGER vga screen like the iphone! but the gps sirf III kills that iphone AGPS for sure! plus i hate mac stuff!
just wished our x800 had more internal RAM! 64 is not enuff!

I had an X800 before I got my Touch Cruise and I have to say, the only thing better than the TC is the VGA screen, other than that, it kept developing a Micro SD problem where the locking mechanism would break and the SD card wouldn't lock in place (I had one replacement unit, and an attempted repair, and it seems other people have had the same problem) It is also significantly slower than my TC (when you press a menu option in TomTom, you can see the menu layers change it is that slow!). Couple that with the recessed screen so it's almost impossible to press the x button without using the stylus, and I'm much happier with the touch cruise than the X800. I won't buy another E-Ten device as they seem to have very poor after sales service, and almost non-existent support for European users!

HTC TD2 vs TP2 vs Omina II vs Others (Long post)

I guess it's all a matter of preference. I've always been a WinMo guy, and while I think iPhone is a sexy device, it's had too many stupid limitations. The 3GS has resolved many of them, so I've been considering it... but I still find the openness of the WinMo platform a lot more appealing. And it seems that Exchange integration is still by far the best in WinMo.
Now to the meat. I've had a few HTC devices (Tytn II/Kaiser was the last), before going with Samsung Epix (SGH-i907). Now the new device jitters are here again. I want a new WinMo device that's functional in all respects -- good screen, enough so to easily read the news, solid onscreen keyboard so I can use it one-handed, finger-friendly UI, great battery life... in other words, I am dreaming
I remember seeing Touch HD on the net and how upset I was that there was no version with US UMTS bands... What a great device it was (is). But alas, not for the US. Now I've been waiting for the TD2 (Topaz) and TP2 (Rhodium) to come out on AT&T's network in the US with bated breath. But little things bug me about these devices. TP2 seems phenomenal, but it's bulk, a 3.2MP camera, no 3.5mm audio jack, and battery life not significantly better than past devices take the excitement away. The TD2... no bulk issue, but why 3.2" instead of 3.6"? It would make sense since the on-screen keyboard is more important, and a bigger screen would make it more functional. Oh, and a smaller battery again, and no proximity sensor. Why??? That said, both devices are very appealing, and one of the main reasons is that I can always come to xda-developers and customize the heck out of them.
What about the others? There is a Pharos unit that seems similar, but I wouldn't trust it. The Toshiba TG01 has stellar specs, but from a few reviews I read: 1) the UI is nowhere near TouchFlow or Samsung's TouchWiz, 2) the battery life is not great, 3) the 4.1 screen makes it too large to be pocketable. And here's the kicker: in one hands-on review, they show poor (2-3 sec) time to rotate screen between portrait and landscape. Huh? 1Ghz CPU and you still can't get this right? Shame, Toshiba.
And in the last few days I came across Samsung Omnia II/i8000. The specs are phenomenal. I think Samsung got it right -- better than HTC here. Bigger screen and much better battery life (probably thanks to AMOLED screen) are the key points. TouchWiz UI has deep hooks into WinMo. Jackpot, Samsung. Or is it? Hmm, the only carrier that expects this phone in the US is Verizon, so no unit for us GSM-minded folks that like our 3G. And if my experience with the Epix is any indication, don't count on cooked ROMs or much customization ability, and don't expect a WinMo 6.5 update from Samsung any time soon... they take their time.
So many choices, yet no perfect one. And of course none of these are available in the US yet (Omnia II, TD2, TP2, TG01). When they do come, I am going to play with all of them before deciding. The Firestone... too far away, and may not come to the US. Superstar? Vaporware at present. But as of now, Omnia II just seems to be the closest thing to perfect, seems really ahead of the TD2 -- I might just jump to Verizon's CDMA for it. Drum roll, please
Anyone's got thoughts on the topic? Any news on when these devices are coming to the US? Would love to hear them. Let's stick to WinMo though, or the discussion will get unwieldy. Oh, and admin, this is about HTC devices (sort of), so I'd appreciate you not killing this thread

meanvulcan said:
I guess it's all a matter of preference. I've always been a WinMo guy, and while I think iPhone is a sexy device, it's had too many stupid limitations. The 3GS has resolved many of them, so I've been considering it... but I still find the openness of the WinMo platform a lot more appealing. And it seems that Exchange integration is still by far the best in WinMo.
Now to the meat. I've had a few HTC devices (Tytn II/Kaiser was the last), before going with Samsung Epix (SGH-i907). Now the new device jitters are here again. I want a new WinMo device that's functional in all respects -- good screen, enough so to easily read the news, solid onscreen keyboard so I can use it one-handed, finger-friendly UI, great battery life... in other words, I am dreaming
I remember seeing Touch HD on the net and how upset I was that there was no version with US UMTS bands... What a great device it was (is). But alas, not for the US. Now I've been waiting for the TD2 (Topaz) and TP2 (Rhodium) to come out on AT&T's network in the US with bated breath. But little things bug me about these devices. TP2 seems phenomenal, but it's bulk, a 3.2MP camera, no 3.5mm audio jack, and battery life not significantly better than past devices take the excitement away. The TD2... no bulk issue, but why 3.2" instead of 3.6"? It would make sense since the on-screen keyboard is more important, and a bigger screen would make it more functional. Oh, and a smaller battery again, and no proximity sensor. Why??? That said, both devices are very appealing, and one of the main reasons is that I can always come to xda-developers and customize the heck out of them.
What about the others? There is a Pharos unit that seems similar, but I wouldn't trust it. The Toshiba TG01 has stellar specs, but from a few reviews I read: 1) the UI is nowhere near TouchFlow or Samsung's TouchWiz, 2) the battery life is not great, 3) the 4.1 screen makes it too large to be pocketable. And here's the kicker: in one hands-on review, they show poor (2-3 sec) time to rotate screen between portrait and landscape. Huh? 1Ghz CPU and you still can't get this right? Shame, Toshiba.
And in the last few days I came across Samsung Omnia II/i8000. The specs are phenomenal. I think Samsung got it right -- better than HTC here. Bigger screen and much better battery life (probably thanks to AMOLED screen) are the key points. TouchWiz UI has deep hooks into WinMo. Jackpot, Samsung. Or is it? Hmm, the only carrier that expects this phone in the US is Verizon, so no unit for us GSM-minded folks that like our 3G. And if my experience with the Epix is any indication, don't count on cooked ROMs or much customization ability, and don't expect a WinMo 6.5 update from Samsung any time soon... they take their time.
So many choices, yet no perfect one. And of course none of these are available in the US yet (Omnia II, TD2, TP2, TG01). When they do come, I am going to play with all of them before deciding. The Firestone... too far away, and may not come to the US. Superstar? Vaporware at present. But as of now, Omnia II just seems to be the closest thing to perfect, seems really ahead of the TD2 -- I might just jump to Verizon's CDMA for it. Drum roll, please
Anyone's got thoughts on the topic? Any news on when these devices are coming to the US? Would love to hear them. Let's stick to WinMo though, or the discussion will get unwieldy. Oh, and admin, this is about HTC devices (sort of), so I'd appreciate you not killing this thread
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Well my only thought is that if you can disable the rotation animation and disable the Toshiba home screen, then the device would run super fast.

meanvulcan,
I'm in the same situation as you. I live in China and I've been waiting for the "perfect" phone to replace this summer my rubbish iPhone 2G.
3GS ? no thanx, I'm done with Apple experience.
HTC ? nothing good coming before end of the year (and I'm sick of the same HTC 528Mhz qualcomm / 3.2Mpix camera hardware plaform)
finally only new Samsung i8000 meets my requirements:
>3.5" screen with 480x800 resolution. AMOLED is a big plus here
Fast CPU (800Mhz is a good step above)
256MB RAM
Great UI (TouchWiz 2 looks good)
High capacity battery (1500maH is the best we can get now)
3.5mm Jack
Good browser with Java support (Samsung Dolphin got rave reviews until now)
descent >5Mpix camera (Samsung features, quality and UI are much better than HTC for example)
Well supported OS (Android or WinMo were mandatory)
Ability to "cook"
when you look at everything, finally the choice is none because only one device meets all criteria and that device is the Omnia II.
So if everything goes well, next week i will get my i8000 from Singapore or Hong Kong

earth2172 said:
Well supported OS (Android or WinMo were mandatory)
Ability to "cook"
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Let me know how your Omnia II experience goes. I am not sure we are quite in the same boat... I don't have the option of buying from HK or Singapore if I want 3G, but that's life. Hardware vendors should really catch up. Now most GSM phones are quad band, so it doesn't matter where they come from, but almost none have 3 or quad band UMTS radios. Bastardos
When you say "ability to cook"... what do you mean? I've had a very different experience -- There is practically nothing out there to cook for Samsung SGH-i907, as I understand even i780 and i900 were a challenge to most.

meanvulcan said:
When you say "ability to cook"... what do you mean? I've had a very different experience -- There is practically nothing out there to cook for Samsung SGH-i907, as I understand even i780 and i900 were a challenge to most.
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in MoDaCo forum, there are roms available for Omnia (WinMo 6.5 with manila or spb3 and even Android !). So I expect custom i8000 roms available 3 to 6 months after official WinMo 6.5 update promised by Samsung

people are still stuck at this forum as there are still using htc devices only. but there are alot other forums are cooking for other branded pdas too just that alot ppl dont find it useful unless they have the device.
i must say, once a device model is popular, another forum will be setup for cooking the rom.
omnia 2 is has best spec so far compare with htc qualcomm-for-10-years spec.

How about an Android device? Quite a few of those coming out in 2009 from what I've heard. And you don't have to stick with HTC.

slick69 said:
How about an Android device? Quite a few of those coming out in 2009 from what I've heard. And you don't have to stick with HTC.
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Android is a nice and promising OS but actually it's far to be complete, especially on multimedia field (codecs, camera, video playing/recording) and hardware support (for example, you need to wait for 2.0 donut version to get 800x480 hi res panels support)
But I'm sure, when Android will mature and erase these lacks, it will be the best mobile OS

Omnia i8000, the best option
Hi.
I live in Spain. We have already the new Toshiba TG1. I think TG1 is too much big, and there are only a few aplications optimized for 4.1" screens. Actually, Winmo 6.1 icons are too small for TG1 screen. On the other hand, the TG1 battery life is very brief. I expect the new Omnia i800 available in a few weeks, to replace my old Kaiser.

carioco67 said:
Hi.
I live in Spain. We have already the new Toshiba TG1. I think TG1 is too much big, and there are only a few aplications optimized for 4.1" screens. Actually, Winmo 6.1 icons are too small for TG1 screen. On the other hand, the TG1 battery life is very brief. I expect the new Omnia i800 available in a few weeks, to replace my old Kaiser.
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Welcome to the xda forum! Let us know how you like the i800 after you get it...

Got the i8000 yesterday. Very disappointed with the UI. I am writing this based on my experience with HTC HD, Diamond 2.
1) Screen - Big bring screen which should be a plus, but turned out to be a big minus. I find it too bright even when set to the lowest level. Also, because of it's brightness, the pixels are too obvious hence makes the originally very smooth fonts look pixelated.
2) Speed - I've sent the CPU speed to High, however, the widget pages transition is still very slow, i.e. Unlike Touch flo on HD, you have to slide and wait till the next screen shows up on the i8000. Same for the screen to show up after unlocking (resuming from standby).
3) UI - Many many loopholes and bugs. To name a few:
---Can't read exchange emails while set to Black Theme. Problems with font colour and background I guess. Other themes are fine.
---Sometimes there's no response when pressing the buttons in the mail/message widget
---Can't manage email folders when the Samsung UI is selected
---Disabling the Samsung UI on the Today Screen and selecting Messaging to show, while you select message to open in INBOX, it will automatically exits back to the Today Screen.
Sorry that my observations are also so negatives.

Guys
dont get hungup on processor speed. You cannot compare them easily and definitly not across diferent CPU manufacturers.
As for you i8000 experience, sorry to hear its so crap The Omnia range has an excellent reputation and i was seriously impressed with my 16gig Omnia. I would like to hope that Samsung will be very aggressive with the firmware updates on the new Omnias as they were with the older Omnias. Maybe you should visit the VERY usefull omnia.modaco.com, the guys there may be able to help you. As I said, Samsung have released many firmware upgrades for the older model, so fingers crossed, you should be ok in a month or soo...
Btw, my omnia (although now sitting in a draw as I have an acer m900) is running 6.5 very well.

pamburger said:
Got the i8000 yesterday. Very disappointed with the UI. I am writing this based on my experience with HTC HD, Diamond 2.
Sorry that my observations are also so negatives.
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Better a negative, honest opinion than a positive, false opinion.
I'm beginning to become a huge fan of Samsung devices (always great specs and design) and I was actually serious looking at another Samsung device which is very similar to the i8000: The B7610. If the experience may turn out to be as bad as the i8000, then frankly, I would rather just get the Omnia HD.
By the way, you might want to head over to Modaco. They were pretty great with Omnia i900 ROMs and may come out with a new ROM for the i8000 in the future. Unfortunately, though, they aren't really as active as the HTC community.
Link: http://www.modaco.com/category/410/i8000-omnia-ii-http-i8000-modaco-com/

pamburger said:
Got the i8000 yesterday. Very disappointed with the UI. I am writing this based on my experience with HTC HD, Diamond 2.
1) Screen - Big bring screen which should be a plus, but turned out to be a big minus. I find it too bright even when set to the lowest level. Also, because of it's brightness, the pixels are too obvious hence makes the originally very smooth fonts look pixelated.
2) Speed - I've sent the CPU speed to High, however, the widget pages transition is still very slow, i.e. Unlike Touch flo on HD, you have to slide and wait till the next screen shows up on the i8000. Same for the screen to show up after unlocking (resuming from standby).
3) UI - Many many loopholes and bugs. To name a few:
---Can't read exchange emails while set to Black Theme. Problems with font colour and background I guess. Other themes are fine.
---Sometimes there's no response when pressing the buttons in the mail/message widget
---Can't manage email folders when the Samsung UI is selected
---Disabling the Samsung UI on the Today Screen and selecting Messaging to show, while you select message to open in INBOX, it will automatically exits back to the Today Screen.
Sorry that my observations are also so negatives.
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I can imagine your disappointment for the performance. As I can see from the reviews and videos Samsung has made huge UI change. Many Samsung made application covering aged WinMo platform. Therefore I thing in the beginning the UI and performance will have issues. However I do thing Samsung will continue working on those and release new updates. Latest when WinMo6.5 will be official then you will have better performance. Meanwhile have you consider to using SPB Shell?? That might give you better performance with that processor

hi all
I to am looking for a new device i currently have the kaiser which is an awsome peice of kit made even better by all the support here @ xda. thanx ya`ll.
My main requirements are simlar to the mean vulcan`s with aditional requirement being that i need a better camera, one with a flash. I have an old cyber shot for work use and the camera is great but have to use my own phone when accessing the internet and would prefer just one device to lug about. So ive been looking at the new xpeiras that are on the way and they look good and have a decent spec on them but with no release date i dont think i can wait that long. Sony Ericson have the Aino and Astio on the way out but are relatively new to touch screen phones so i am dubious as to there performance. I would prefer to stick with a htc device mainly because of the support for customization here is 1st rate but have seen nothing of a new release that meets my high standards i have set for my next phone. So im still confused about what to do....
the omina 2 does look good though

My 3rd day with i8000. Struggling to get rid of it and it's totally because of its stupid UI. I must say, there's nothing wrong with the hardware, it got everything I need, cam with flash, good cpu, gps, tv out, big screen, good size....BUT the UI is very very disappointing. It feels like I am back to the Touch Diamond time, great hardware but poor UI, the UI made it so slow that you will keep thinking why the hell you bought the phone.
Maybe someone can teach me how to get rid of the Samsung UI completely and go back to basic WM6.1. I tried SPB shell, however, the shortcuts or application launch just brings me to Samsung customised applications. (They have gone really deep to customise the essential apps, e.g. Contact, Calendar and Messaging). I am most frustrated about not being able to get it to sync with other folders other than INBOX and DELETED.
It's not how the UI looks but rather how well it works. If you are looking for a phone that you can rely on, then I think you'd better wait until there's an rom update.
Thank you all for your suggestions, I will head over to modaco to see what other say about it

pamburger, You have mentioned that you had the HTC HD before. Would you mind please to give a comparison (hardware and software, Quality of the device etc) between HD and SAMSUNG? Until now I have own only HTC devices and never had experience with Samsung. It Is not that I think HTC is good but I don’t know how bad is the others
Therefore I am struggling little bit to take the safety and go with HD or take unknown ground and take the Samsung

Samsung i8000 vs Touch HD
1. Size and controls: i8000 is narrower than the HD hence easier one hand operation. I prefer hardware button over touch sensitive button, therefore i8000 is better. i8000 also has the back button and camera button which HD lacks.
2. Screen: i8000 is definitely brighter than the HD (at least 30%). However, because of this, the pixels are very obvious. On the contrarary, I find HD's screen displaying images a lot finer.
3. UI: I am sorry that I hate the i8000 UI. It seems to me that customisation of the UI has not been done thoroughly, leaving some part heavily customised while some very dull. Having said that, I know it's unfair to say i8000's UI is poorly customisation since Touch Flo is on V3 now. Maybe the next Samsung UI will improve. I have yet to find out a way to disable the Samsung UI so to get the WM6.1 back. Whereas for HD, all you need to do is to disable TouchFlo, and you will get WM6.1 back. Also, i8000 UI is not as responsive then Touch Flo. Expect to slide your finger, and wait for the next screen. Finally, the widgets on i8000 is nice to have.
4. Battery: i8000's battery is very good. With CPU power set to high, constant websurfing, checking emails, sms, and 40mins 3G talk time, the batt last almost 2days. HD's battery life as good only after flashing custom rom.
5. Camera and TV-out: i8000's camera is very efficient compared to the out of the box version of the HD. I love the LED flash which HD doesn't have. I've also heard people complaining that the HD doesn't have TV-out, but since I don't use it, I am not so sure about its significance.
6. Software that doesn't work with my i8000: CE-star (chinese software which you might not need), Advance Config.
7. Very personal: The price of HD should be very reasonable by now. If I were to choose between HD and i8000 now (assuming that I haven't used the HD before), I will definitely go for HD.
Reason 1: Cheaper
Reason 2: Better customer support
Reason 3: More roms to flash and a very helpful XDA-Developers community
Reason 4: Stableness

HTC TD2 vs TP2 vs Omina II vs Others
On my opinion from the competitors I would choose TP2 definetly and will add Toshiba TG01 for sure!
TP2
I like: General design, one the best keyboards on new devices and it´s great screen.
Dislike: No improvements on processor and no 3.5mm Jack
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I like: Greater screen, very powerfull processor, slimer
Dislike: NO KEYBOARD, no 3.5mm jack (As far as I have heard)
Just my 2 pesos...

I got the Toshiba TG01, and damn, thats a very fast one!
No 3.5mm jack, I REALLY don`t care about that. I just use the headset!
On that screen rotation slowness: There are still people that have automatic screen rotation enabled? I hate it when my phone changes rotation all the time, so I applied it to a button!

Are There Any Good Front Facing Qwerty Devices?

My Samsung BlackJack II aka i617 has kicked the bucket and I'm using my old Moto Razr until I find a replacement. I'm not inquiring you to search google for me, I just would like to know if you know any that are decent. I want another Front-Facing QWERTY device, but I can't think of many that are 'Smartphones' and of that form factor except for these few I have below:
Samsung OmniaPro B7330--------------------------Palm Treo Pro
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I'd prefer it to have a Touch-screen (not a requirement though) and must have fairly modern specs. Also are there any Android phones that meet this requirement? I willing to take recommendations for all OS's as long as it's fairly customizable.

Unfortunately, touchscreen devices with a frontal qwerty keyboard are terrible.
The Samsung Epix is a decent touch screen device. It has a stylus and optical navigation pad that can be used just like a laptop mouse pad (meaning their is a mouse cursor). However, the keyboard is ridiculously terrible and unintuitive.
There is also the Palm Pixi which has a keyboard and touchscreen right in front of you. However, the keyboard is very, very minimalist and small. The keyboard is also very bad.
There really are no good devices with a frontal keyboard and touchscreen interface. At least, not yet.
Luckily, their is a new Sony Ericsson phone coming out real soon. It's called the Sony Ericsson Aspen. It will not by amazing in terms of technical aspects because the processor is presumed to be around 500 megahertz, which is slow for a Windows Mobile device. But from my experiences with qwerty keyboards on phones like these, the Sony Ericsson Aspen will have a pretty good keyboard.
If you really need the quick access and efficiency of a smart phone keyboard, I highly suggest you to purchase a Nokia E-series device or a BlackBerry device. These phones lack the touchscreen, but they excel in this form factor. Windows Mobile and Touch Screen phones do not excel in this form factor.
I suggest the Nokia E72, it is fast and efficient with a great keyboard. However, the BlackBerry 9000 or the BlackBerry 9700 have an even better keyboard.
So here is a quick summary:
According to the form factor that you're looking for, Touch Screen devices have terrible keyboards and are inefficient. However, Nokia E-series devices or BlackBerry Bold Series devices tend to have the better keyboards and are designed to work really well with their operating system.
Just know this if you decide to listen to me: Nokia E-series devices have a good non-touch screen operating system. BlackBerry devices are designed for email and messaging and have the best of the best keyboards with this form factor, but I think that the operating system is a bit boring and lack software development.

Thanks for the reply poetryrocksalot. I was considering the Pixi Plus, but the only models available so far are CDMA and i need a unlocked phone.
When I said fairly modern specs, I meant a phone that didn't have hardware from 2006. I just neeed something that was faster than my previous phone, the Samsung i617. Also what I meant was that I would like something with a touch-screen but it's not biggy if it doesn't.

krjcook said:
Thanks for the reply poetryrocksalot. I was considering the Pixi Plus, but the only models available so far are CDMA and i need a unlocked phone.
When I said fairly modern specs, I meant a phone that didn't have hardware from 2006. I just neeed something that was faster than my previous phone, the Samsung i617. Also what I meant was that I would like something with a touch-screen but it's not biggy if it doesn't.
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The Nokia E72 has a ARM 11 600 MHz processor, 5 Megapixel camera, Modern Look, Decent RAM considering the average RAM size for Symbian devices, LED Flash, 3.5 mm headphone jack, active noise cancellation microphone technology, up-to-date S60 Series 3rd Edition OS (considering the fact that it came out fairly recently), a microsd card slot, accelerometer, optical trackpad, FM Radio receiver, Digital Compass built in, flashlight integration.
BTW, of all of these devices, the Nokia E72 has the best camera (except for the Sony Ericsson Aspen).
The Palm Pixi Plus has a 2 Megapixel Camera, no FM Radio, no flashlight integration (you need someone to develop software and it isn't out yet), no microsd card and only 8 gb of memory for now, no digital compass built in, no active noise cancellation, and the OS is in it's infant stages
The only thing that makes the Pixi modern over the E72 is that the Pixi is a touch screen device. Furthermore, it's 2010 and the Sony Ericsson Aspen hasn't even came out yet, but it is a disappointment to see that it has 3 megapixel camera.
I am really against purchasing a Palm Pixi plus. By purchasing this, I think that you are basically saying: "I don't really care about the front facing keyboard, I just care that it has a capacitive touch screen and a fun interface". If this is your priority than I really hope you purchase a WebOS device with atleast a 3.5 inch diagonally long screen.
By the way, the Nokia E72 has been praised for being one of the fastest Nokia device out there right now. Symbian devices do not need as much CPU as windows mobile devices, so the processors are usually ARM processors around 400 megahertz. Even the Nokia N97 has a 400 megahertz CPU. The E72 is an exception.

HTC Trophy.... But it aint out yet.

adamdon89 said:
HTC Trophy.... But it aint out yet.
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Wow, I can not believe I totally forgot about this device. I should have mentioned it.
However, there are some things to mention. This image is fake rendition by an unofficial artist
Here is the link and some proof: http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/recent-htc-trophy-image-looks-good-but-fake-artist-render
Here is the actual image that was leaked: http://www.techdigest.tv/HTC Trophy.jpg
I am looking forward for HTC to implement the artist rendition!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't forget the Maple, I love it's keyboard, although the HTC inner circle which is heavily hyped on it isn't that great, but it has no touch screen

cmstackar said:
Don't forget the Maple, I love it's keyboard, although the HTC inner circle which is heavily hyped on it isn't that great, but it has no touch screen
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Right!
HTC Maple
It´s one of the best options for bar smartphones
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1782&c=htc_snap_s521__captain_htc_maple_100

Please don't get the HTC Maple. It's very low end.
I suggest waiting for the HTC Trophy to be officially announced or for the Sony Ericsson Aspen. Or get the successor to the E72 if it comes out.

Completely disagree
Have you had one?
or you just talking light
It´s one of the best actual options
Trophy looks nice but it´s not here today for sale
Here the low end specs:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1826&id2=1782

Thanks for the reply. I've decided that I'm going with a windows standard device, because their cheap and simple then I'll upgrade to Windows Phone 7 or Android later this year. But the problem is that now I'm stuck choosing between the HTC Snap and Samsung OmniaPro B7330. They have similar specs, except that the OmniaPro has a Bigger Screen, More Ram & Rom, a higher res camera, and It's cheaper everywhere i look. Here's a link to the comparison: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1826&id2=2032
Is HTC's software good enough to waiver the samsung better spec and lower price tag.

Hopefully this will be the successor of Samsung i780/Epix.
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=15101

krjcook said:
Thanks for the reply. I've decided that I'm going with a windows standard device, because their cheap and simple then I'll upgrade to Windows Phone 7 or Android later this year. But the problem is that now I'm stuck choosing between the HTC Snap and Samsung OmniaPro B7330. They have similar specs, except that the OmniaPro has a Bigger Screen, More Ram & Rom, a higher res camera, and It's cheaper everywhere i look. Here's a link to the comparison: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1826&id2=2032
Is HTC's software good enough to waiver the samsung better spec and lower price tag.
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I wouldn't say that the software is much better, but the keyboard is phenomenal on the snap, 2nd favorite keyboard on any mobile device. And if the keyboard is anything like Samsung's other models, it will be decent, but not great

I'm really optimistic about the Samsung Pivot. If the device we're seeing now is the actual release model, than I would definitely get it. It reminds me of the Nokia E61 (terrific keyboard!).
This is the Samsung Pivot:
This is the Nokia E61:

Horrible designs indeed...

poetryrocksalot said:
Unfortunately, touchscreen devices with a frontal qwerty keyboard are terrible.
The Samsung Epix is a decent touch screen device. It has a stylus and optical navigation pad that can be used just like a laptop mouse pad (meaning their is a mouse cursor). However, the keyboard is ridiculously terrible and unintuitive.
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Have you owned the Epix? I have, and it is a very good device. I had it for 2 years, never had a problem like everyone else says. I had mobile shell on it for a bit running fine, then switched to manilla 2D with real vga. The keyboard was great, much better than flat keyboards. I typed faster than anyone I knew could on other phones, I even used to type up notes in class.
However it has been discontinued, so the chances of getting a new one are very slim. It just didn't have the appeal and didn't sell, but with windows 6.1, maybe a possible official 6.5 upgrade(doubtful since it was discontinued, however ms website says april 2010), and everything an htc device has except for a g sensor and a perfect touch flo. I liked it, too bad mine decided to stay in my pocket when I went for a swim. HTC Touch Diamond 2 in 3 days wooohoo

brunodemelo said:
Have you owned the Epix? I have, and it is a very good device. I had it for 2 years, never had a problem like everyone else says. I had mobile shell on it for a bit running fine, then switched to manilla 2D with real vga. The keyboard was great, much better than flat keyboards. I typed faster than anyone I knew could on other phones, I even used to type up notes in class.
However it has been discontinued, so the chances of getting a new one are very slim. It just didn't have the appeal and didn't sell, but with windows 6.1, maybe a possible official 6.5 upgrade(doubtful since it was discontinued, however ms website says april 2010), and everything an htc device has except for a g sensor and a perfect touch flo. I liked it, too bad mine decided to stay in my pocket when I went for a swim. HTC Touch Diamond 2 in 3 days wooohoo
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I do not own the device but I have handled the device and typed on it every time I have the chance when I see one. The keyboard is terrible.
The BlackBerry on the other hand is very, very good.
I bet you really like Windows Mobile...well if the Samsung Epix had the keyboard shape and form of a BlackBerry, than I am pretty sure that you are would like your Epix even more.
Anyways, sources say that the Samsung Pivot will be like the successor to the Epix. Fortunately the keyboard is like old E61 keyboard which is a keyboard that is actually better than the new E72 keyboard.
I understand that the Epix keyboard have a more honest feedback (meaning that you are certain that you clicked a button), however, the keys are very firm. You really need to press a little on the keys for the input. Firm keys prevent typing fast. Productivity takes a bit more time on these keyboards. The E72 and the BlackBerry have less firm keys meaning that speed typing is permissible.
Also, the best way to test keyboard is to do a speed run typing on the Epix and the BlackBerry 9700. That is what I did. The results are that I am less likely to make a typographical error on the BlackBerry 9700 than the Epix when I typed the same sentence at full speed.

poetryrocksalot said:
I do not own the device but I have handled the device and typed on it every time I have the chance when I see one. The keyboard is terrible.
The BlackBerry on the other hand is very, very good.
I bet you really like Windows Mobile...well if the Samsung Epix had the keyboard shape and form of a BlackBerry, than I am pretty sure that you are would like your Epix even more.
Anyways, sources say that the Samsung Pivot will be like the successor to the Epix. Fortunately the keyboard is like old E61 keyboard which is a keyboard that is actually better than the new E72 keyboard.
I understand that the Epix keyboard have a more honest feedback (meaning that you are certain that you clicked a button), however, the keys are very firm. You really need to press a little on the keys for the input. Firm keys prevent typing fast. Productivity takes a bit more time on these keyboards. The E72 and the BlackBerry have less firm keys meaning that speed typing is permissible.
Also, the best way to test keyboard is to do a speed run typing on the Epix and the BlackBerry 9700. That is what I did. The results are that I am less likely to make a typographical error on the BlackBerry 9700 than the Epix when I typed the same sentence at full speed.
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I guess that is the case for you. It is different for everyone, and each and every person gets used to their phone's keyboard in a few days. I can't just pick up a blackberry and hope to do a fair speed test as I am used to the Epix. Only way to find out would be someone who has never typed on either phone.
About the pivot, that thing is quite ugly. It might have a better keyboard but thats pretty much it over the Epix, and some more memory.

Chinese Blackberry clone with WM 6.1 Pro
http://www.nowsupplier.com/new-w088...one-quad-band-single-card-gps-wifi-p-378.html
This device has a keyboard and WM professional, I dont think it has a touch screen, but it looks to be a good cheap device, although it lacks 3G. Quad-band GSM and GPRS, with WiFi and TV antenna.
Just my two bits.

adamdon89 said:
HTC Trophy.... But it aint out yet.
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I agree and it's coming soon! You can pre-order it here:
http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wir...c&utm_term=HTCTROPHYBKEU&utm_campaign=froogle