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Best Radio for Hong Kong

Can anyone tell me what is the best radio to use in Hong Kong. Trying 1.64.08.21 right now, but battery life not so good.

did you really need to start a whole new thread?

OK - just forget it - this is why I do not post to this forum! you guys are way too touchy! I did not see a 'what is the best radio' thread to post to. In the last 3 weeks I have flown Shanghai > KL > Mumbai > Delhi > Mumbai > KL > Singapore > KL > Shanghai > Shenzhen > Mumbai > Hong Kong (if your head is spinning reading this just imagine mine)! I have 2 days off here, and I upgraded a friends ROM while here - and as I leave for Seoul in the morning I want to make sure that I leave him with the best Radio for the area! I simply did not have the time to search this and try and find a better thread to post the question to!
Once again - sorry for the huge inconvenience that this thread has caused! Mods please close or delete the thread.

yea, we're touchy, cause you started a thread that is 1) redundant, 2) has nothing to do with ROM development.
if you or your friend dont have the time to read or search or try out the radios, then you shouldnt be flashing at all in the first place. your time is not any more precious than the time of any member here.

I dont need to be in hong kong to answer this question. This question is pretty obvious and from reading the radio threads, all radios work just as well. Some of them have very little difference. Easy answer...a working radio with the rom will be your answer. I've seen differences with GPS, but that will come with experimenting. Reception wise, they are all similar.

thomassster said:
I dont need to be in hong kong to answer this question. This question is pretty obvious and from reading the radio threads, all radios work just as well. Some of them have very little difference. Easy answer...a working radio with the rom will be your answer. I've seen differences with GPS, but that will come with experimenting. Reception wise, they are all similar.
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This is news to me - from what are you saying, it would seem your location does not matter, and that all radios will work the same in all areas? Why is it that in almost all radio related threads, people are mentioning their location and sp? And I can find numerous threads where senior members say that your location does matter;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2087221&postcount=2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2081389&postcount=3
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2063854&postcount=2
that is why I asked the question. I am not a noob, the reason that I have such a low post count is because I DO usually use search. I admit I should have taken a bit more time to search before I posted - sorry everyone for the redundant post. I do not want to get into a flame war here!
as I said before - MODS PLEASE delete or close this thread.
and - everyone have a nice day

bdbell said:
This is news to me - from what are you saying, it would seem your location does not matter, and that all radios will work the same in all areas? Why is it that in almost all radio related threads, people are mentioning their location and sp? And I can find numerous threads where senior members say that your location does matter;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2087221&postcount=2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2081389&postcount=3
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2063854&postcount=2
that is why I asked the question. I am not a noob, the reason that I have such a low post count is because I DO usually use search. I admit I should have taken a bit more time to search before I posted - sorry everyone for the redundant post. I do not want to get into a flame war here!
as I said before - MODS PLEASE delete or close this thread.
and - everyone have a nice day
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before mods lock this thread, maybe could say one last thing. Location does matter, but when it comes to moving within a couple miles, your radio reception can change drastically. You use one radio and it works well in one area, but suck in a building. Then you use another radio in one area and it sucks somewhere else. Most radios that I've tried, they work just about the same. Some have good reception, but kills battery, but has good GPS reception. Theres no telling what is considered best in a certain area. You could talk to different people from Hong Kong, and my guess would be, many of them would give you different answers on what is the best radio. There is a belief that some radios work well better than others, but my opinion, majority of the radios work just as well regardless of location. It's when you consider the trade offs such as battery life, that extra half strength of bar on reception, and GPS is what you gotta consider.

Questions for kernel devs working on 30fps issue

Guys,
I've been following the Epson and Novatek threads and it looks like good progress is being made on the fps cap. After playing with my friends Droid Incredible and seeing how silky smooth swiping and games are compared to my Evo, and with lack of 4G in my area, I am considering canceling and returning my Evo in 2 days while I am within the 30 day window. I'm sure other non-devs are in this boat and would really appreciate knowing what confidence level the devs have that they can break the 30fps cap AND keep the camera working once the appropriate drivers/source is out there. In other words, based on the latest information does it appear that the hardware is able, but the software isn't willing (yet)?
FWIW, I have a 003 w/Novatek and it has otherwise been pretty solid. But without 4G, and with this irritation, it is worth it to me to return the device and try Sprint again in 3-6 months if the alternative is to get "stuck" with a device with these limits. As an original G1 owner I know how crappy it can be to have a limitation that caps the capability of an otherwise very capable device (negligible onboard memory was a problem from day 1).
Thanks for helping me and others who may have the same question.

vettejock99 said:
Guys,
I've been following the Epson and Novatek threads and it looks like good progress is being made on the fps cap. After playing with my friends Droid Incredible and seeing how silky smooth swiping and games are compared to my Evo, and with lack of 4G in my area, I am considering canceling and returning my Evo in 2 days while I am within the 30 day window. I'm sure other non-devs are in this boat and would really appreciate knowing what confidence level the devs have that they can break the 30fps cap AND keep the camera working once the appropriate drivers/source is out there. In other words, based on the latest information does it appear that the hardware is able, but the software isn't willing (yet)?
FWIW, I have a 003 w/Novatek and it has otherwise been pretty solid. But without 4G, and with this irritation, it is worth it to me to return the device and try Sprint again in 3-6 months if the alternative is to get "stuck" with a device with these limits. As an original G1 owner I know how crappy it can be to have a limitation that caps the capability of an otherwise very capable device (negligible onboard memory was a problem from day 1).
Thanks for helping me and others who may have the same question.
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One has nothing to do with the other. The camera will be working once HTC releases the source, and it appears they have broken the cap and are probably gonna tweak it little by little.

People stop posting these threads!
Also, yes. It will be fixed and still have camera, but it won't be until we get the real HTC source. There is nothing devs here can do to make them release it faster. It's entirely up to them, but once we get it then we can have a fully working kernel along with fully working AOSP builds.

others may have the same question, but they:
1. read forum rules
2. have common sense
3. use the search button

Admin, move this thread to Q&A please.

Should be in the Q&A
The only reason the camera breaks is because we have to use a custom kernel to remove the FPS cap(and overclock). The custom kernel doesn't have the drivers for the camera because HTC is currently breaking the law and not releasing the source code, once that is released many amazing things will happen with this phone, including but not limited to the cap being removed with the camera and other things working.

HTC's track record on this source code release issue is starting to become fairly worrisome. That said. Yes this should be in the Q&A but at the same time I think you guys need to chill out a bit. He's not just posting another one of those threads, and this one is worded concisely enough that should someone choose to answer it, maaaaybe they could just sticky it over in the Q&A forum and be done with it.
Just saying, reserve the smackdowns for the obvious infractions of laziness.
Oh and as much as we all say use the search, I think it is worth noting that the forums search feature sucks and often still leaves you hooting through fifty pages of the same post just being quoted by someone else but still showing up as it's own result.
I cant help but feel like the fact that with SO many threads going way over the 300 post mark, eventually someone is going to need to write/use something better than off the shelf forum software, or we will forever be stuck tilting at windmills in regards to the "use the search" issue.

alcaron said:
HTC's track record on this source code release issue is starting to become fairly worrisome. That said. Yes this should be in the Q&A but at the same time I think you guys need to chill out a bit. He's not just posting another one of those threads, and this one is worded concisely enough that should someone choose to answer it, maaaaybe they could just sticky it over in the Q&A forum and be done with it.
Just saying, reserve the smackdowns for the obvious infractions of laziness.
Oh and as much as we all say use the search, I think it is worth noting that the forums search feature sucks and often still leaves you hooting through fifty pages of the same post just being quoted by someone else but still showing up as it's own result.
I cant help but feel like the fact that with SO many threads going way over the 300 post mark, eventually someone is going to need to write/use something better than off the shelf forum software, or we will forever be stuck tilting at windmills in regards to the "use the search" issue.
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Thanks for the consideration, Alcaron. I always love how the douches, most of whom have been here for about 3 years LESS than I have, scream "SEARCH" and "MOVE THIS TO Q&A" when, as you noted, the search here has its limitations and moving this to Q&A will GUARANTEE it won't get noticed and another person will follow right behind and ask the same question. Truth is, it is a legit question for devs and usually the crybabies aren't even qualified to answer dev questions anyway.
As you stated, HTC's delay in releasing the source is unacceptable and will probably cost them a RMA thanks to the censors who would rather squelch this discussion. Too bad, especially considering just how compelling the device would be if HTC would support the true wizards with this info.
Mods, move this, leave it, whatever you like, but I expect others want to understand what ffolkes and his peers think and it will be asked again.

The issue is posting this in the dev section, instead of the Q&A. That's what's inexcusable. Yes, the search function is subpar, but dammit at least re-post in the right section.
This keeps getting called "trivial" but the fact of the matter is when you see it 100 different times, the small annoyances add up to 1 big episode of rage! It's against the forum rules for a reason. Abide by them or leave.
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kluster1999 said:
The issue is posting this in the dev section, instead of the Q&A. That's what's inexcusable. Yes, the search function is subpar, but dammit at least re-post in the right section.
This keeps getting called "trivial" but the fact of the matter is when you see it 100 different times, the small annoyances add up to 1 big episode of rage! It's against the forum rules for a reason. Abide by them or leave.
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App
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... stfu please ... so is trolling and filling the forum with your spam dictating what the mods need to do ...
MODS = Forum Police ...
YOU = Forum Douche ...
Solution = Mods Police... You just ignore all posts unless you can help out...
P.S. remember these words next time before you click reply: "THE FORUM DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND YOU..."

wrx4memp said:
... stfu please ... so is trolling and filling the forum with your spam dictating what the mods need to do ...
MODS = Forum Police ...
YOU = Forum Douche ...
Solution = Mods Police... You just ignore all posts unless you can help out...
P.S. remember these words next time before you click reply: "THE FORUM DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND YOU..."
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then you stop acting like it revolves around you. aren't you technically being "policing" this forum by teling him to stfu? seriously, these topics are coming way too often.
just ask yourself these questions.
does this thread contribute to development for the evo?
no. it's a guy who is telling us "thanks for your work, but i'm returning it cause there's too many problems. though i know you guys'll get it right eventually". look, there's nothing wrong with the post, just please put it in the right section!

wrx4memp said:
... stfu please ... so is trolling and filling the forum with your spam dictating what the mods need to do ...
MODS = Forum Police ...
YOU = Forum Douche ...
Solution = Mods Police... You just ignore all posts unless you can help out...
P.S. remember these words next time before you click reply: "THE FORUM DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND YOU..."
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I just felt everyone should read this twice, my advice is wait it out.
The EVO even without 4G is superior to the Incredible in my opinion and we will have it fully unleashed very soon.

justinisyoung said:
then you stop acting like it revolves around you.
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learn to read... then to think... the to comprehend... then to respond based on the previous...

kluster1999 said:
The issue is posting this in the dev section, instead of the Q&A. That's what's inexcusable. Yes, the search function is subpar, but dammit at least re-post in the right section.
This keeps getting called "trivial" but the fact of the matter is when you see it 100 different times, the small annoyances add up to 1 big episode of rage! It's against the forum rules for a reason. Abide by them or leave.
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App
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ROTFLMAO. "Abide by them or leave." Whatever, dude. Maybe you should take a chill pill - or leave yourself.
Again, at the end of the day if you can't handle these types of questions you are in for a lifetime of pain. This isn't a "how do I root my phone" question. This is a question, that in my opinion at least (and guess what, that matters at least as much as yours) should be here for two reasons:
1. it may actually get looked at by devs (versus in general) and
2. it is a legit dev question
Most of the 30fps threads have, at the moment, coalesced around three topics:
1. Which VPA settings give you the most FPS
2. Do we think the MDDI buffer has some hardware cap that is being fooled by some sort of RGB to MDDI bridge which is now either a) working great or b) a placebo effect, depending upon who you believe
3. How the various patches are effecting various hardware rev/panel combinations
At this point, without the source and the possibility of it not being released for months (see Hero), and based upon the discussions, I think it will be at least 3 months until we see a working 50-60fps solution, camera, and HDMI port solution - but I was giving devs a chance to agree or even disagree amongst themselves and to explain their position.
This is the last post I'll waste any time addressing the douches, if someone wants to contribute to the answer feel free to do so, and if you want to complain about the post then no one but the mods can stop you, but i won't perpetuate it.

You should return the device and get something else.

Wow. That all took an unexpected turn.
It's true that dev was the wrong spot to post, but oh well, get over it, they'll never learn..
Id keep it. Well I am, unless news of the epic comes verrrry quick.
Even then. Hard decision.
If you're willing to wait for a truly rewarding phone experience then hold out.
Sent from my Evo 4G

mrono said:
Should be in the Q&A
The only reason the camera breaks is because we have to use a custom kernel to remove the FPS cap(and overclock). The custom kernel doesn't have the drivers for the camera because HTC is currently breaking the law and not releasing the source code, once that is released many amazing things will happen with this phone, including but not limited to the cap being removed with the camera and other things working.
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On the contrary, the custom kernel does have the drivers for the camera--both cameras actually. I spent about an hour working on the camera last night, and it appears the problem isn't really with the drivers, but we probably have the wrong GPIO tables for it, since we're using the same ones the Incredible uses. I'm not sure how we can get the right tables without the official source, but me and maejrep have been working on it.
We'll update the custom kernel thread if it gets fixed.

Cicatrize said:
On the contrary, the custom kernel does have the drivers for the camera--both cameras actually. I spent about an hour working on the camera last night, and it appears the problem isn't really with the drivers, but we probably have the wrong GPIO tables for it, since we're using the same ones the Incredible uses. I'm not sure how we can get the right tables without the official source, but me and maejrep have been working on it.
We'll update the custom kernel thread if it gets fixed.
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Awesome Cicatrize, this type of info is exactly what I was looking for.....best of luck to you.

Ugh, the "something about my evo makes me mad so I'm going to get an <other phone>," threads get so old. Do it already, we don't need to hear about it. I personally like my EVO, I like being on Sprint with upgrades every year and good coverage and inexpensive monthly fees ($10 premium data addon be damned,) and I sure as heck know I don't want to lack those things and get tied into a 2-year contract with a $375 termination fee on Verizon or AT&T at the same time that said companies have started to tier data usage.

[Q] Pretty big design flaw with the wifi

Anyone else notice this? When you hold the phone in landscape, the wifi straight drops out? (Most notably when covering the power button end of the phone with the left hand.) Seems to me that having the antennae built into the back panel/battery cover was a wrong design choice.
Edit: And let me add that reception doesn't drop, just the wifi.

we both made a post about this at the same time. I'm having issues also. I didn't notice that it happens in landscape specifically. it happens all the time to me

Your post is a joke right? Or is this your very first time on the internet and you happened to randomly land on xda for your very first post ever; all the while managing to avoid the hundred of posts regarding the exact same thing?
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA App

cirrob said:
Your post is a joke right? Or is this your very first time on the internet and you happened to randomly land on xda for your very first post ever; all the while managing to avoid the hundred of posts regarding the exact same thing?
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It could be possible, chances are probably as good as getting struck my lightning, winning the lottery and seeing pigs fly all at the same time, but still entirely possible...

Didn't know this forum was full of wanna be mods. If you came him in here with the intention of just ****ting on me, then shame on you. If anything you could of just pointed me in the right direction, like a REAL mod would do, then let this topic die.

mattm025 said:
Didn't know this forum was full of wanna be mods. If you came him in here with the intention of just ****ting on me, then shame on you. If anything you could of just pointed me in the right direction, like a REAL mod would do, then let this topic die.
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did the same in my thread. he's got a stick up his
We just gotta ignore this guy. Don't feed the trolls

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_sensati...grip_iphone_4_caught_snickering-news-2742.php

Not mines fella.. You have defect. Get it looked at..
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA Premium App

allholy1 said:
did the same in my thread. he's got a stick up his
We just gotta ignore this guy. Don't feed the trolls
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I'm am no such thing... I think perhaps you should first watch the Video titled:
'You are a NOOB on XDA-Developers'
before you post anything. This issue must have appeared 100s of times on this forum. It would be sensible to use the search feature in future to prevent the forum getting clogged up with the same old topics... I mean it is taking an age now to find anything which is new and worth reading on the sensation forums.
It is not my intention to cause harsh feelings towards other members. However, it's just sometimes easier to convey a point with a slight bit of sarcasm (a concept I know some folk find difficult to grasp) than doing what I am now and stating the obvious about the fact that you should search the forum before posting. IF your issue isn't already in the forum, or it is not particularly related, then you need to post a clear and decisive thread, detailing all of your issues. However I can assure you this has been posted many times in the past week or so and I'm getting sick and tired reading the same old thing!! I'm sorry if I upset you or dented your ego; you'll survive
I hope you continue to enjoy the forum, just as I intend to do myself
Thanks and again I'm sorry for portraying 'stick up my ' behaviour (perhaps a tad extreme response from yourself), just my way of communicating a message; which in future I'll bear in mind because I now know it can cause irrational responses from people, something which I personally do not aspire to cause.
Hope you enjoy the rest of your day.
Regards,
Hayden
p.s.
I have no intention of being a Mod - to much hassle. I would like to note that many Mods on this forum would have given a similar response that I just have - USE THE SEARCH, it's there for a reason!!

Well said hayden. he is right noobs. I think you should have read the forum rules first laid out by the mods. Read other threads. If your issuer isn't there then post and we will be more than happy to help
Swyped from my HTC Sensation Pyramid using my thumb and eyes

HaydenE said:
I'm am no such thing... I think perhaps you should first watch the Video titled:
'You are a NOOB on XDA-Developers'
before you post anything. This issue must have appeared 100s of times on this forum. It would be sensible to use the search feature in future to prevent the forum getting clogged up with the same old topics... I mean it is taking an age now to find anything which is new and worth reading on the sensation forums.
It is not my intention to cause harsh feelings towards other members. However, it's just sometimes easier to convey a point with a slight bit of sarcasm (a concept I know some folk find difficult to grasp) than doing what I am now and stating the obvious about the fact that you should search the forum before posting. IF your issue isn't already in the forum, or it is not particularly related, then you need to post a clear and decisive thread, detailing all of your issues. However I can assure you this has been posted many times in the past week or so and I'm getting sick and tired reading the same old thing!! I'm sorry if I upset you or dented your ego; you'll survive
I hope you continue to enjoy the forum, just as I intend to do myself
Thanks and again I'm sorry for portraying 'stick up my ' behaviour (perhaps a tad extreme response from yourself), just my way of communicating a message; which in future I'll bear in mind because I now know it can cause irrational responses from people, something which I personally do not aspire to cause.
Hope you enjoy the rest of your day.
Regards,
Hayden
p.s.
I have no intention of being a Mod - to much hassle. I would like to note that many Mods on this forum would have given a similar response that I just have - USE THE SEARCH, it's there for a reason!!
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Search wasn't working earlier. I looked through the first four pages with nothing similar to either of these posts on here.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App

search has been down but teh googler works nice

Back on track... I have the same issue as the op (putting my palm over the top of the phone with my fingers on the back causes my wifi signal to decrease) I noticied it before reading this thread because the wifi calling notification would randomly show up while connected to wifi
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Hmmm... this may call for a Recall by HTC... in return for Unlocked Bootloader Sensation Replacements.

Mine will be delivered tomorrow so I cannot do any testing right now but by any chance is there a way to change the power setting on wifi? If it is in power saver mode or something similar it could be more susceptible to interference.
Different phones but my HD2 had some weird quirks on Wifi till I forced it to full power on wifi.
Might not help but its something to look at perhaps.

No problems on wi-fi, so far so good, after unlock it will be perfect.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App

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10332007 said:
Mine will be delivered tomorrow so I cannot do any testing right now but by any chance is there a way to change the power setting on wifi? If it is in power saver mode or something similar it could be more susceptible to interference.
Different phones but my HD2 had some weird quirks on Wifi till I forced it to full power on wifi.
Might not help but its something to look at perhaps.
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Yea, 10332007 you nailed it... I went to settings > wifi settings > Menu > Advanced and turned on "Best wifi performance" and then it would only drop one bar. (previously dropped 3). battery sucker, but it does decrease the severity of the issue, besides I'd expect some drop in signal with my meaty paws in the way.

HaydenE said:
I'm am no such thing... I think perhaps you should first watch the Video titled:
'You are a NOOB on XDA-Developers'
before you post anything. This issue must have appeared 100s of times on this forum. It would be sensible to use the search feature in future to prevent the forum getting clogged up with the same old topics... I mean it is taking an age now to find anything which is new and worth reading on the sensation forums.
It is not my intention to cause harsh feelings towards other members. However, it's just sometimes easier to convey a point with a slight bit of sarcasm (a concept I know some folk find difficult to grasp) than doing what I am now and stating the obvious about the fact that you should search the forum before posting. IF your issue isn't already in the forum, or it is not particularly related, then you need to post a clear and decisive thread, detailing all of your issues. However I can assure you this has been posted many times in the past week or so and I'm getting sick and tired reading the same old thing!! I'm sorry if I upset you or dented your ego; you'll survive
I hope you continue to enjoy the forum, just as I intend to do myself
Thanks and again I'm sorry for portraying 'stick up my ' behaviour (perhaps a tad extreme response from yourself), just my way of communicating a message; which in future I'll bear in mind because I now know it can cause irrational responses from people, something which I personally do not aspire to cause.
Hope you enjoy the rest of your day.
Regards,
Hayden
p.s.
I have no intention of being a Mod - to much hassle. I would like to note that many Mods on this forum would have given a similar response that I just have - USE THE SEARCH, it's there for a reason!!
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No real criticism intended, but I would like to point out a slight flaw in your argument. I am not what I would consider a noob, and I am searching for the very same answer.
Had you actually been nice enough to help this person, you would also help others that are searching for this information too. We all have to wade through a ton of false leads when trying to hunt this type of info down. I find there is quite a bit to sort through sometimes, and it is people that are kind enough to answer these questions (noob or not) that also help so many others.
It seems that this is the spirit in which this community was built upon, I see so many angry and irritable people around this forum these days... it is such a shame.
In this situation, you would not only have helped a noob, but you would have saved time for all the other folks that are trying to locate this info and read the title of this post.

I think he gets it now, guys.
This was his first time posting, relax. Hopefully from now on he'll use the search feature, but for now the least you can do is just help the guy out AND advise him about the search feature. Let's not scare away a new forum member.
Wish I could help you, but I am only getting my Sensation next week.

I don't have this problem at all. Have tried and tried to replicate it, but can't. Glad I don't have this problem.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA Premium App

[attention] iron fist anouncement

You've probably read the new Operation Iron Fist going on here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=1159
As of now, I will no longer stand for the way some things are going here. If I see ANY trolling, flaming, or disrespectful behaviour, you will receive an infraction on the spot. No more warnings.
Also, offtopic chatter on the development forums is exceptionally high here. This will stop, since I will also infract upon it.
Just one more thing: if you encounter ANY of above mentioned offences, let me know ASAP, instead of foulmouthing about it on the public forum. If I see that, you WILL get an infraction too.
I am sorry for acting this way, but you guys are forcing me to do this.

Sounds good to me, unless "iron fist" translates in reality to Naziism.
There's a difference in insulting people, and trying to contribute and being attacked. I tried to contribute by pointing out that there were several bugs that were fairly severe. If a user doesn't point them out, what's the point of ever releasing anything beyond 1.0 and then closing the thread?
However, there's a small group of users in the community who have resorted to fanaticism, and when someone goes that direction it shouldn't be tolerated. When I get criticized for bringing up a bug, and told I'm a "habitual complainer" how is that supposed to encourage anyone to want to participate in the DEVELOPMENT of anything for any phone? For some reason the Infuse 4G participants who I'm referring to seem really on edge, and speak out (often personally) about anyone who says anything aside from praise.
We're not here to be reassured that the world is 100% good, and that everything everyone says is amazing, we're here to participate in an active development community, be it as a developer, or as a contributing end user. The moment you criticize your user base is the moment you go from being an open community of developers and end users to a system of dictatorship, and closed platformism (yeah, it's a word now because I said so), lol.
To the people who squash anyone who's new, or doesn't know something, or volunteers that they're having a problem and need help, STOP. There's no need to make someone feel bad for asking a question a second time in a 3000+ post thread and then criticizing them for not reading the answer in post 2106 on page 291. There's no need to tell someone they are full of crap when they say they're having internet speed issues, and that since it works for you to your satisfaction that they're obviously less intelligent. There's no reason to tell someone they're wrong just because you disagree with them.
To make this a "community" everyone has to be understanding that everyone has their opinions, and that we're all here to make the phone in whatever thread a better phone.
Without developers, this site wouldn't exist. Without end users wanting mods, this site wouldn't exist. If you continue to alienate anyone who's new and turn this into a fanboy forum, it's just going to send them back to Apple iOS forums and devices. If that's how you want to help turn the mobile community, fine, but personally, I don't.
Bella

True to some extent. But the main problem is this:
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Just one more thing: if you encounter ANY of above mentioned offences, let me know ASAP, instead of foulmouthing about it on the public forum. If I see that, you WILL get an infraction too.
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Most people here think they can say ANYTHING to ANYONE. That's not what this forum is about. It's aimed at development and not discussion. If you feel you should debate in any way, move to another forum.
And you can call my method anything you like, I used to warn everyone before acting, but that's over. You of all people should know that.

I'm not about to take any sides, but Bella, you're completely out of line. Being part of the community is different than creating your own community. This is a group working together towards a common goal. To reach that goal, we must provide detailed, factual and documented information to the dev(s) so that we can enable them to create the best possible releases. I've seen no images, logcat, etc. that was provided by you. Granted, there are several others in the forum not providing these details, but there are several who have provided very specific and detailed information. It took far too long for you to provide this kind of information and it only turned the conversation south. You are not alone, so know I am not singing you out; there were several others who contributed to a negative environment. The reason for my posting this is because you were the only one to come here and plead your case.
That said, this is a community filled with individuals. We all have different personalities and will act and react differently to different scenarios. Hopefully this can be the beginning of a constructive and collaborative effort by us all to truly bring our Infuse to the next level.
I will not retort nor reply, I am simply sharing my views and experiences in this forum so far. The Captivate started off rough, but never reached this level. It won't be easy resurrecting this one from the ashes, but it can be done.

Right, you say I was unable to provide any factual data, yet I responded each time with factual and accurate data that was requested by GTG. I think some people get frustrated because often issues that come up are issues they just don't know how to solve, and often that leads to accusations that the end user is crazy, unintelligent, or just uncooperative, when the case is the opposite.
Clearly in the end I identified a data connectivity issue first (review thread if you like) that's been significant enough for him now to pull the ROM until he can resolve the issue. Rather than fellow members responding with productive comments, they responded in an attacking manor. My point was valid (as vetted by GTG at this point), and for those who weren't having the issue, why pipe in and say there's no problem? Do you take your car to the mechanic and tell him everything is working fine?
Initially I was called a complainer for bringing it to the attention. Unfortunately as a developer you can't expect that an end user is always going to be able to provide the detail you need. If I had the experience and desire to build a ROM I'd do it myself. It's kinda like building a house then expecting to know where to find a pipe junction inside a wall that only you know where it is. There's only so much expectation you can have of the end users.
Additionally, this is not the Google Developers Forum. This is not a forum of official Android releases, this is a hobbyist community of people who want to tinker with their phone. If a developer wants to be in an environment of developing for Google, maybe they ought to apply for a position at google.com/jobs. The ROMs that come out of XDA are great, but we have to realize there is nothing official about anything that comes from these forums.
I think the comment should be changed from "development, not discussion" to development and on-topic discussion. Because if you discourage discussion, it's like discouraging shopping in a mall. Discussion is what makes a forum like this great.
I'll certainly commit to staying on topic in the future.

Have at it neo. Thanks
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Bella, you never provided the data requested. You just compared two modems - this was NOT what gtg asked for. He asked you to compare 2.0.1 to 2.0.2 performance. After looking through the thread, I'm fairly certain never provided this information, you just maintained that you had provided the requested data because of your modem comparison tests.
Perhaps you were under the mistaken impression that 2.0.1 to 2.0.2 was a modem firmware change - if you had opened the update zip to analyze the contents you would see that it was not. There's a reason gtg specifically asked you to compare 2.0.1 to 2.0.2 and not to compare UCKE3 vs UXKG3 modems, and the latter is what you did.
Also, the network connectivity issue was only one of the reasons gtg pulled the ROM. He was trying to be nice, but the poor attitude of many users in the thread was a MAJOR contribution to the ROM pull also. In addition to that, at least two developers have stated either in posts here or on IRC that they are extremely uneasy about releasing any ROM images on these forums because of the poor behavior on these threads. It is also why I currently have a "no support, don't PM me" policy for the kernel I released - it was the only solution to getting experienced users the build that many were asking for without subjecting myself to the painful experience gtg did.

PLEASE have at it! I haven't visited this forum in a few years (iPhone) and now that i'm back with an Infuse this place isn't anything like it use to be.
My 2cents.

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Bella, you never provided the data requested. You just compared two modems - this was NOT what gtg asked for. He asked you to compare 2.0.1 to 2.0.2 performance. After looking through the thread, I'm fairly certain never provided this information, you just maintained that you had provided the requested data because of your modem comparison tests.
Perhaps you were under the mistaken impression that 2.0.1 to 2.0.2 was a modem firmware change - if you had opened the update zip to analyze the contents you would see that it was not. There's a reason gtg specifically asked you to compare 2.0.1 to 2.0.2 and not to compare UCKE3 vs UXKG3 modems, and the latter is what you did.
Also, the network connectivity issue was only one of the reasons gtg pulled the ROM. He was trying to be nice, but the poor attitude of many users in the thread was a MAJOR contribution to the ROM pull also. In addition to that, at least two developers have stated either in posts here or on IRC that they are extremely uneasy about releasing any ROM images on these forums because of the poor behavior on these threads. It is also why I currently have a "no support, don't PM me" policy for the kernel I released - it was the only solution to getting experienced users the build that many were asking for without subjecting myself to the painful experience gtg did.
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Understood. I provided what he asked to the best of my ability at the time ... I'd reference my post but I'm not digging through a 3000 message thread, sorry. :-(

Matt-Helm said:
PLEASE have at it! I haven't visited this forum in a few years (iPhone) and now that i'm back with an Infuse this place isn't anything like it use to be.
My 2cents.
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The Inspire and Aria forums were much more friendly, it's not this site, it's just the Infuse forum in general. I had a very positive experience in the Inspire threads

I think it was not the fact that you raised an issue that bothered the developers, it was the manner in which it was raised.
Also, look at it from a developer's perspective - when the thread is filled with posts that clearly indicate that the poster didn't even read the first post of the thread in its entirety (not saying that you did this, but many others did), it gets massively frustrating.
I've never seen so many people completely fail to read/comprehend the first post of a thread as the Infused v2 thread. Even after it was put into the first post as a known issue, we still got reports of HDMI not working every 3-4 pages.
After what could be effectively described only as an all-weekend hack session two weekends ago, everyone's been a bit exhausted/burned out. But everyone keeps demanding MORE MORE MORE!

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Also, look at it from a developer's perspective - when the thread is filled with posts that clearly indicate that the poster didn't even read the first post of the thread in its entirety (not saying that you did this, but many others did), it gets massively frustrating.
I've never seen so many people completely fail to read/comprehend the first post of a thread as the Infused v2 thread. Even after it was put into the first post as a known issue, we still got reports of HDMI not working every 3-4 pages.
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I agree 100% ... the only thing I can say is that remember that many people come from iphone, aka the dev team blog, which is much different. On theirs you read from the bottom up. I don't think that's an excuse since XDA uses the globally accepted standard in forums. But yeah, last night there were about 25 people in an hour asking why the links didn't work, lol.

Not really sure if this is on topic or not.... I just looked up "Iron Fisting" and this was the first result http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=iron fisting
Holy cow! The mods/admins mean business!

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Not really sure if this is on topic or not.... I just looked up "Iron Fisting" and this was the first result http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=iron fisting
Holy cow! The mods/admins mean business!
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I know my mouth (and legs) will be shut going forward.

Bravo Neo. Bravoooooooooooooo.

Thank you!
Looking forward to seeing a cleaned up forum!
by the way? how do u become an admin?
i spend way to much time on here...even while im at work (because its my job relates highly to this)

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Not really sure if this is on topic or not.... I just looked up "Iron Fisting" and this was the first result http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=iron fisting
Holy cow! The mods/admins mean business!
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looking forward to clean and healthy forum.

I hope I'm not going to make any enemies by saying this, but I can't say I entirely agree with this being an iron fist. So far all that has been done is the Infused v2 ROM thread was locked. On any other forum I frequent they start with punishing the offenders individually, and only lock the thread as a last resort. I didn't see anybody get personally warned and I didn't see anybody get banned, and it really was only a handful that caused problems. I know there were a LOT of people that were posting the same questions over and over, but that can't be helped most of the time. The ones that were bickering and really ruining the thread are still posting happy as can be. I know it sounds like I'm questioning the mod(s) or being ungrateful, but I don't mean it that way. I just feel like we lost the ability to have an important and fun discussion before all the possible options were explored. Now if gtg asked for the thread to be locked then that is an entirely different matter, but I didn't get that impression from reading the last post.
I really do enjoy these forums and always have, and feel like this board is run very well. By this board, I mean the Infuse board. I just wanted to say that I don't know if I entirely agree with the way the infused thread was handled.
EDIT: I wanted to add that I know the mod(s) do this for free in their spare time, and I know that you can't police it 24/7. I really do appreciate your efforts at running this board, and the ONLY thing that I've seen that I take "issue" with is the handling of the Infused thread. Maybe there are things behind the scenes that I didn't see, and if that is the case then I apologize.

The Infused forum is only locked temporarily, as I asked the dev to contact me when his rom is finished.
Thanks for your support people. Just remember to report anything that's offensive/disrespectful/wrong/etc. and I'll take care of it.

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The Infused forum is only locked temporarily, as I asked the dev to contact me when his rom is finished.
Thanks for your support people. Just remember to report anything that's offensive/disrespectful/wrong/etc. and I'll take care of it.
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I did see where it was locked only temporarily. I just wanted to get that off my chest, so to speak. It wasn't REALLY bugging me, but I did get pretty frustrated with how people were acting. It was pretty ridiculous. Like I said before, I really do appreciate your efforts to keep our forums running smoothly. Thank you for your continued presence and work, and for not taking my post personally, (at least I don't think you did ).

Great Job.

i dont understand this here forum, (redneck voice)...
while ive been here, in the last 2-3 days ive encountered the following:
1) horrible attitudes and question answering. not that the questions weren't being answered, just the way they were being answered. if a noob asks a question, let him ask. but we all know how easy it is for us to look cooler by bashing them.
2) Inappropriate use of language and shameful and offensive harassment. now passive as it may, calling a ROM "Gay" for not having xxx feature is wrong.so is calling said members "******s" even better?
3) trolls trolls trolls. if we have nothing nice to say lets at least keep it civil.
although we could all go on all night over something, this i sno way to have a thread. ive been in many other forums, and i can honestly say none are as bad as this one. if this is the way the i727 forum will conduct its business consider me gone. although i am not much help to the communtiy, i do love the Dev work. but if its at the cost of seeing a horrible thread such as this i think im better off stock.
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it comes and it goes. hang in there and find a good way to contribute in the meantime

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i dont understand this here forum, (redneck voice)...
while ive been here, in the last 2-3 days ive encountered the following:
1) horrible attitudes and question answering. not that the questions weren't being answered, just the way they were being answered. if a noob asks a question, let him ask. but we all know how easy it is for us to look cooler by bashing them.
2) Inappropriate use of language and shameful and offensive harassment. now passive as it may, calling a ROM "Gay" for not having xxx feature is wrong.so is calling said members "******s" even better?
3) trolls trolls trolls. if we have nothing nice to say lets at least keep it civil.
although we could all go on all night over something, this i sno way to have a thread. ive been in many other forums, and i can honestly say none are as bad as this one. if this is the way the i727 forum will conduct its business consider me gone. although i am not much help to the communtiy, i do love the Dev work. but if its at the cost of seeing a horrible thread such as this i think im better off stock.
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5 Months and 14 posts???? This is by far the most deticated forum to the HELP and DEVELOPMENT for the largest selection of mobile devices and devices alike. I am not bashing you but after you have been around for awhile and contribute to this forum then your opinion with come with more value. There are many people on here that do help and are very generous but the are few and far between that are oh not so friendly (and I stress few and far between). If you are a noob then it would help to read the NOOB STICKIES to find out more about your device and learn your way around instead of just jumping in with no intelect or know how of how to use this forum properly. I have only been here for 4 years (actually 4 years ago today), I have tested hundrends of ROMs on lots of devices and have donated hundreds to the developers who help make this possible. Even though I have been through and done the forementioned I myself still read through the stickies to find out more information about the device at hand. You can never gain too much knowledge or know too much about what you are doing. There are weeks maybe even months woth of guides and stickes on this forum. If you need information about your device i'd say there is a 98% chance that someone has already gone through the same thing and has a solution to the problem. The best thing to do here is READ READ READ and try to find out on your own to solve your problem before just logging in and asking questions about something that has been answered because you are too lazy to look yourself. Hopefully you stick around and leanr more and see what this forum is all about. Don't let some asshats ruin it for you. They will be weeded out and generally the situation is solved pretty quickly. There are always someone somewhere that makes things difficult at some point.

If you have a problem with a post or thread hit the report button and let us (moderators) know whats going on. You also need to understand this forum is not a service center we are not here to make your phone cooler or get you out of your mess for not reading (that's 90% of the "HELP" threads or post) so if someone asks something that has been covered before most people will help you out not always as cheerful, but they do. Yes there are trolls, always will be but that's your job to report. We can't read every single post all day (2 moderators vs how many Skyrocket users?) so you guys have to help out. Will be locking this thread as its not really Skyrocket related (just your personal rant) about the community.
Cheers