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Hi guys
as you all know , samsung i780 is one of the most powerful pda with a slick design , it grabs your attention even if you hate samsung company, its really a special pda
so my suggestion is why we dont make a separate thread for this device, a thread that has sub threads like general , upgrading and roms hacking, accessories and FAQ, like the one for tytn II or touch curise
so what all of you think ?
thank and best regards,
AbdullahT said:
Hi guys
as you all know , samsung i780 is one of the most powerful pda with a slick design , it grabs your attention even if you hate samsung company, its really a special pda
so my suggestion is why we dont make a separate thread for this device, a thread that has sub threads like general , upgrading and roms hacking, accessories and FAQ, like the one for tytn II or touch curise
so what all of you think ?
thank and best regards,
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All for it!
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All for it!
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Thanks lembee
Seems that this phone is selling very well, at least in europe.
A dedicated room makes absolutely sense.
I would
also love that ! Just stopped using my Tytn II and is using my new i780 as my primary device - the Tytn II is in the drawer. But I love XDA so I would love to have a i780 section event though it aint an HTC phone
thank guys
lets hope we get separate section for samsung i780
would be cool but i gues all owner of this phone think so
I completely agree, finding infor on the i780 is pretty difficult and it would make things easier to make a special topic for it. I have been using the i780 for two weeks now.
Lugus von Thierfeld said:
I completely agree, finding infor on the i780 is pretty difficult and it would make things easier to make a special topic for it. I have been using the i780 for two weeks now.
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yes , you are quite right
it will save time , also the samsung i780 desrve to has separate thread coz its great device
lets hope the owners of this forum do it for all of us
It would be nice to have a section dedicated to the Samsung i780!!!
I hope.
Thanks
Agree with everyone !!! Since i780 is the first 320 X 320 device. New section will help everyone to discuss in future...........
I'm agree too
This phone is one of the best on WM...
Thank you all guys (dariog78, harrisoon and sebastientoussaint)
it seems there are alot of people who are interested on this device ,therefore a new section is really needed for this device.
I jst traded in my HTC Hermes for a new Samsung i780 and loving it. It would be nice to be able to share all the tips and tricks with other people.
Thanks!
seems like i780 is a very popular phone..
I agree, the I780 must have it's own home. I have a herald, but when I got my hands on this baby, wow nothing like it. We should start to encourage developers for this new kind of screen.
While I have no doubt that the Samsung i780 is a good phone I must say that it should NOT get its own section here.
On the Main Page you will see this....
www.xda-developers.com Main Page said:
Welcome to xda-developers.com
This site is about certain PDA-phones, made by a firm called HTC in Taiwan. Their makers named them 'Wallaby', 'Himalaya', 'Blue Angel', 'Wizard' and 'TyTN', but almost nobody knows them by those names. The mobile provider O2 sells them under the brand-name 'XDA', and that's what we had in our hands first. They're also known as Qtek, MDA, SX-56, Hermes and many, many other names.
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So Unless I missed something in my search, The Samsung device is not made by HTC. I'm all for there being a Developers Forum for a Samsung Device. If I had some web hosting space left I'd offer to host it. However this is an HTC site and I think it should be kept that way.
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While I have no doubt that the Samsung i780 is a good phone I must say that it should NOT get its own section here.
On the Main Page you will see this....
So Unless I missed something in my search, The Samsung device is not made by HTC. I'm all for there being a Developers Forum for a Samsung Device. If I had some web hosting space left I'd offer to host it. However this is an HTC site and I think it should be kept that way.
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but as you can see in the devices section, there are sections for HP ipaq and Palm Treo 750, and from my knowlege HP ipaq and palm treo 750 are not htc devices therefore we dont see any problem to have a section for samsung i780 since the hp ipaq and palm treo 750 had, also the samsung i780 is a special case because the resolution of its display is 320*320 which means it will has its own programs and games, thats why it is important to have a section specially for this device
@AbdullahT
HTC is the manufacturer of the Treo 750 and several HP iPaq smartphones. So it's normal that they have their place on the XDA-forum.
@JimmyMcGee
While I agree with you that this forum is all about developing for HTC manufactured devices I still think the i780 should have it's own place here on this forum. First of all, this site has been created in order to port Linux to the XDA. That aspect got somewhere sort of lost, since this forum talks more about porting the latest Windows Mobile versions to older devices and writing Windows Mobile software to enhance the experience with Windows Mobile devices then porting Linux to HTC devices. So this forum has evolved and I can't see why it couldn't evolve into a forum that also talks about other then HTC manufactured smartphones.
Personally I would welcome a dedicated i780 section. It would make finding information about tweaking the i780 a lot more easier. The main problem is, that there are other popular smartphones around, like the LG KS20 which also deserve their own section.
In my humble opinion I think the current structure of this forum doesn't allow anymore for adding more smartphones. So I think it would be a wise idea to rethink the current structure. I would think more in terms of activities then in terms of different devices.
go for it!
Seeing as the admins here are stubbornly refusing to create a dedicated sub forum for the x7510, I've set up a free forum which may be found here: http://htcathena.freeforums.org
Please note: I don't WANT to be running a seperate board and I'd prefer to have a sub forum here. However, for as long as the admins ignore our requests I'll keep that forum running.
Should a dedicated x7510 sub forum be created here I will close that forum down. Closing down may be deleting it, or if there were many useful posts simply preventing new posts, so that it dies a slower death over time.
This is NOT an attempt at blackmail, but rather me trying to avoid more devices being bricked.
PS: Please excuse the ads on that site - I've gone with the completely free option, so I'm saddled with the ads!
What's the big deal?
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Seeing as the admins here are stubbornly refusing to create a dedicated sub forum for the x7510, I've set up a free forum which may be found here: http://htcathena.freeforums.org
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What reason could the xda admins possibly have for not creating a sub-forum for the 7510? Or even an entirely new forum? Look at the Elf and the Vogue.
Anyone know the admins' reasoning on this?
Isn't in my mod powers to create a sub section... I am asking to the admins, again. I hope we will have some answers soon
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Isn't in my mod powers to create a sub section... I am asking to the admins, again. I hope we will have some answers soon
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Thank you, although I have to say at this stage I'm quite annoyed with the admins, especially seeing as they cannot even be bothered to respond to any request!
elf and vogue are totally different devices which happen to look the same
one is cdma and one is gsm and they work in totally different ways. the vogue has 400mhz prcessor and the elf 201mhz
also to be perfectly honest, how can people not tell the difference between x7510 and x7500/x7501
you bought a device that cost £700 (according to expansys) so surely you know its model name. and because of the cost, if you see x7500/x7501 unlocker you will be wary of using it, even if you think its a typing error
and on the subject of the elf, the elf has 2 variants elf (64 ram and 128 rom) and elfin (128 ram and 256 rom)
both are different and only the elf has hard spl
flashing one rom for one onto the other will brick it
so the same probs as here
but they deal with it and have stickies saying how to distinguish between them and where to go for hat, and seperate guides for flashing roms onto the elf and elfin etc etc
so maybe thats whats neded here
i think the admins are probably fed up of people requesting fora only to have them empty:gene, pharos, juno, sedna are all pretty empty forums that were massively requested and yet not much comes out of them
and now i just counted the votes in the "we want an x7510 section" thread nd there are 33 in 3 months
yes 33
not exactly a huge number is it
But you may all think im just raining on your parade, but im not, I completely understand why you want a new section, but im just trying to highlight why the admins probably dont want it, there are so many new devices which have massive appeal, compared to a £700 device which is essentially an 18 month old device in new casing.
And so in conclusion, I think a sticky explaining he differences between x7510 and stuff is whats needed. Plus, cmones seemed keen to make (or try and make) you guys a hard spl, so why doesnt someone whose a senior (or old) member contact HER and see what she can come up with. she will probably need rom dumps and stuff, but I'm sure she can do it. after all she and others got custom roms on the shift.
night guys, and I hope it works out for you all, and nobody else bricks their devices...
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And so in conclusion, I think a sticky explaining he differences between x7510 and stuff is whats needed. Plus, cmones seemed keen to make (or try and make) you guys a hard spl, so why doesnt someone whose a senior (or old) member contact HER and see what she can come up with. she will probably need rom dumps and stuff, but I'm sure she can do it. after all she and others got custom roms on the shift.
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Now THAT was helpful! Why didn't anybody else think about it!
But seriously, CMONEX confirmed she is working on a hard SPL/unlocker and happens to agree with the need for a seperate sub-forum, for a number of valid reasons.
The thing is that a sub-forum will not affect anybody else on XDA-Devs - it won't require more resources, nor more bandwidth. It takes a minute to set up and it may well save several devices.
So please tell me in great detail why there SHOULDN'T be a seperate sub-forum? Why SHOULDN'T things be better organised than the current "pile-everything-into-one-pot" mess? And how exactly will YOU be any worse off should a sub-forum be created?
You will be worse off, won't you? Why else would you be against it?
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Why SHOULDN'T things be better organised than the current "pile-everything-into-one-pot" mess?
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I agree with you on that, NanoRuler. E.g. without the latest Athena ROM link by sergiopi (thanks for it), I wasn't even able to compare all existing ROMs for the x7500 at a glance, there are too many threads spread over the entire forum.
Regarding the x7510, a new sub forum would possibly give a better overview. It hasn't been of major importance until now, but it will become necessary very fast, once the x7510 can be unlocked...we should get prepared for that moment. ;-)
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also to be perfectly honest, how can people not tell the difference between x7510 and x7500/x7501
you bought a device that cost £700 (according to expansys) so surely you know its model name. and because of the cost, if you see x7500/x7501 unlocker you will be wary of using it, even if you think its a typing error
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Yes, except there was no indication NOT to run various tools against the x7510.
rorydaredkign said:
but they deal with it and have stickies saying how to distinguish between them and where to go for hat, and seperate guides for flashing roms onto the elf and elfin etc etc
so maybe thats whats neded here
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My, what an excellent example of good organisation....NOT. Maybe what's required is a rethink in how the forums are structured, eh? And maybe having distinct sub forums for the different models of Athena will help a great deal.
rorydaredkign said:
and now i just counted the votes in the "we want an x7510 section" thread nd there are 33 in 3 months
yes 33
not exactly a huge number is it
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I suggest you go and count again, bearing in mind there are actually requests in different places (perhaps another fringe benefit of piss-poor organisation?)
rorydaredkign said:
I completely understand why you want a new section
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Sure, buddy. You have me COMPLETELY convinced that you have our best interests at heart.
rorydaredkign said:
And so in conclusion, I think a sticky explaining he differences between x7510 and stuff is whats needed.
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And that will sort out the mess how exactly?
rorydaredkign said:
night guys, and I hope it works out for you all, and nobody else bricks their devices...
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Let me re-phrase your sentiment: I don't want you guys to benefit from a seperate section (even though I'm not directly affected!) and I certainly don't want things to become more organised and anyway there's so few of you that your opinion doesn't matter, but hey, here's to no more bricked devices!
I'll be polite here and let you choose the 1st word, but the second word of my reply is certainly "OFF!"
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I agree with you on that, NanoRuler. E.g. without the latest Athena ROM link by sergiopi (thanks for it), I wasn't even able to compare all existing ROMs for the x7500 at a glance, there are too many threads spread over the entire forum.
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you think thee are lots of roms here, go look at damond rom development and then tell us there are loads of roms here...
I really dont mind or care if theres a seperate section, but I can see why you want one, and also why the admins havent made it
I think a seperate section would actually help dev for us, as we could use your roms and port between the two and stuff.. it would lead to a better dev community here
nano, don't take your anger out on rory. He's not a mod and undeserving of your "**** off".
How about you have a few drinks and relax?
techntrek said:
nano, don't take your anger out on rory. He's not a mod and undeserving of your "**** off".
How about you have a few drinks and relax?
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Yes, he's not a mod, but he also did not need to try and build a case against the wishes of quite a few members here using poorly thought out strategies.
He was dismissive without having any reason to be and essentially stated that our opinion doesn't matter (although he didn't quite put it in those words).
Finally, I specifically did NOT tell him to **** off, but gave him some choice in the phrase.
Either somebody's part of the solution...
fair play
hope it works out for you guys
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Further discussion here:
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Mike
Hello:
I now have a zest - courtest of my wife on my Birthday. I know it is made by ASUS, does anyone know the model? Data on it seems a bit sparse....
Is there likey to be a dedicated area for this PDA on the fornt page of XDA-dev's (like the ones for the wallaby, blue angel etc)? If not, is there any area in particular on the site, where post about this model can be found?
Thanks
I will like to know it also.
only htc made devices get their own forum rules of the site i'm afraid
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only htc made devices get their own forum rules of the site i'm afraid
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Out of interest: I know historically it has been HTC units that get threads, however, the site is called 'XDA-developers' (not 'HTC-developers') and the zest, even though made by ASUS, is being sold badged as an XDA.....
xda atom is currently the only non htc made device that have it's own forum
why it got it and other o2 devices called xda don't i can't tell you
i don't make the rules
but this forum get money from donations to get server power and space
and the more spec forums and hits from owners it gets the more of a problem
because donations is not really that big an income ask the common beggar
as it is the forum is already often struggling to keep up with the nr of users at rush hour as it is
mind you i say this as my take on it not anything official as i'm just a mod not really
mixed up in such things
flar say the atom got a forum got a because they made it before they realised they were non htc.
as for the zest if you can pm me with the full name (not ythe xda name then ill create a space for it on my forum in my sig
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Out of interest: I know historically it has been HTC units that get threads, however, the site is called 'XDA-developers' (not 'HTC-developers') and the zest, even though made by ASUS, is being sold badged as an XDA.....
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Historicly all XDAs where from HTC (their own line was called qtek back in the days).
This board was created back in '03 due to dismay from the lack of service HTC gave, there where lots of bugs in the ROMs (some things never change ) and some smart people found out how to get rid of some bugs, and even how to flash the phones.
(no kitchen tools, no packages, just perl scripts and a lot of time..)
XDA-developers grew (in devices and in members), and the XDA brand-name also got popular (due to T-mobile), nowadays a multitude of devices are called XDA, even non HTC produced devices, but that doesn't change the fact that we always have been an HTC only forum.
The one exception: the xda atom was sort of an mistake (initial misinformation), but it was never corrected.
However, look @ HTC which is releasing a massive ammount of devices. It's allmost impossible to also keep up with other devices (just take a look at the quantity of devices allready on this board).
Also check the current active users, and then imagine what that would be if we allow other brands to have their own forum.
The bandwidth would be enormous, and since nobody wants to pay or to donate to this board it would simply die: death by success..
Regards,
EquinoXe
Hi,
I've just got a XDA Zest too. Shame there isn't a section here...
Does anybody know if there is a site for the XDA zest ?
If there are any rom updates or cooked roms about?
Thanks
Gibbo
I personally would like to see a Pre forum on XDA.
Is anyone with me?
The reason there is not, nor will there ever be a Palm pre section, is because this site simply does not have the resources. It is an HTC only forum because this site cannot afford to support devices from other manufacturers, and every device on here, regardless of brand, was manufactured by HTC (Ericsson X1 and Palm Treo are examples).
There is a thread a couple down from this one, called "iphone-developers.com?" and the last few posts go more in-depth to what I'm saying here. However, if you google "Palm Pre Forum," you will find that there are many possible forums to choose from. Good luck to you,
Dave
Ghost114 said:
I personally would like to see a Pre forum on XDA.
Is anyone with me?
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first post and you are already unhappy with this forum? oh snap.
DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
The reason there is not, nor will there ever be a Palm pre section, is because this site simply does not have the resources. It is an HTC only forum because this site cannot afford to support devices from other manufacturers, and every device on here, regardless of brand, was manufactured by HTC (Ericsson X1 and Palm Treo are examples).
There is a thread a couple down from this one, called "iphone-developers.com?" and the last few posts go more in-depth to what I'm saying here. However, if you google "Palm Pre Forum," you will find that there are many possible forums to choose from. Good luck to you,
Dave
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A clear, concise and friendly answer - and I even learnt something from it - nicely done
Now why cant we all answer a civil question with a civil answer this way?
I'd suggest a HOWTO thread for xdeviquette but I suspect the "spoon-feeding" may be getting to "chewing-it-for-you" so I'll keep mum
With the posibility on the air of opening XDA for non HTC devices, what is your opinion?
Should this go ahead?
Or should we stay only with HTC?
This poll will help Admin & Owners to see what is members opinions, which are very important!
So please vote
See what´s happening here:
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=616206
I'm quite interested about this (of course there aren't too many votes yet, but we'll see)...what do people have against non-XDA phones? If we can maintain the same set of quality ROMs and information, what's the objective?
The XDA admins are beginning to experiment with some non-XDA sections (of course sticking with WinMo and Android), so I hope everything continues to move in that direction.
We should stay HTC. There are a ton of users as it is, and while more would be great, xda is slow now, think of it later. I would love to have other manufacturers, but it works about the same if they are all grouped into the general forum. Or everyone could just have HTC manufacture their device and be done with it.
I would like XDA-Devs to open to also non-HTC-devices. There are several non HTC-devices that are also very interesting, like for instance Xperia X2, Samsung, Toshiba, etc..
Why not? .. unless the traffic could be compromised, otherwise i dont see why not having other WinMo devices sections, like Samsung , Toshiba, and Other windows mobile devices
Besides my HTC phone, I also have a WM Samsung device, and it`s great I can find good info for it here too. So if you can handle the extra users, why not? There are many great smartphone devices from other manufacturers, let`s give them a chance. Competition makes the world evolve.
Of course , yes. I don't have anything against HTC, as 5 of my six WM phones have been HTC but I feel we are more a user community which does not need to be distinguished and divided based on manufacturers.
Also, I feel it will lead to better phones from HTC. Reason, simple - if other brands are allowed here, more people will buy those brands owing to better support leading to increased competition for HTC. Eventually, as users we will get more technology for less
no point of having this post or poll as xda is already a open forum for windows mobile all the while
the name 'xda' came from O2 Xda product line on touchscreen & powered by windows.
when xda atom came along from O2 asia, its already known that its not a htc product but its still listed here.
Not yet...
Not yet. To this date we are still an HTC devices forum, the discussion is open for including non HTC devices and this poll was created to help Owners and Admin to feel the pulse of the members, so it´s important to know what is members opinion
orb3000 said:
Not yet. To this date we are still an HTC devices forum, the discussion is open for including non HTC devices and this poll was created to help Owners and Admin to feel the pulse of the members, so it´s important to know what is members opinion
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its is only u who always bring this up
Tabbe said:
its is only u who always bring this up
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Somebody has to do it
If I´m doing something wrong take for sure Mods will let me know
Keep it to WM & Android. Maybe try one other than HTC device forum first before adding others. Then phase them in slowly. To make sure it doesn't get over crowded or unproductive!
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no point of having this post or poll as xda is already a open forum for windows mobile all the while
the name 'xda' came from O2 Xda product line on touchscreen & powered by windows.
when xda atom came along from O2 asia, its already known that its not a htc product but its still listed here.
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That was actually a mistake made by the admins, and they deemed it unfair to remove the forum after they realized their error. If you notice, other O2 XDA models not made by HTC don't have forums here.
I hope they do decide to go for it. Sure, there are other forums for other manufacturers devices, but NONE of them are even remotely as good as this one.
Take the Acer M900 device as an example. On the ETEN users forum, some ROMS came out for that device, one of which had been built blind, but the chef didn't tell anyone that little tidbit. Now, anyone that burned that ROM is hosed with burning official ROMS as you just get a "ROM Incompatible" error. The only way now is to edit the "magic byte" to burn a ROM, any ROM. Still no fix for it.
If that had happened here, a fix would have been around by now...
It shouldn't even be a question. Who cares which company made the device? If people need help and this forum can do that, then I fail to see why it shouldn't. While I personally prefer HTC devices, I'm open to other being helped in any way possible.
In my opinion, XDA's first non-HTC device should be the Droid.
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That was actually a mistake made by the admins, and they deemed it unfair to remove the forum after they realized their error. If you notice, other O2 XDA models not made by HTC don't have forums here.
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and thats my point, why restrict since by using "xda" and not 'htc'
I hope so
Cuz I am in the mood for a samsung B7620. Not because it is so beautiful, it is completely ugly and I hate Armani, but I realy like the specs on that device. The biggest problem however is the lak of a community like XDA. As HTC is not bringing out any high end devices with qwerty and winmo, TP2 was just a makeover, I feel forced into other directions.
I say stick with HTC. Because once this forum becomes something like Howard Forums, I'm going to leave it forever.
I believe now that forums should be specific to manufacturer, or else chaos and confusion will ensue.
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I say stick with HTC. Because once this forum becomes something like Howard Forums, I'm going to leave it forever.
I believe now that forums should be specific to manufacturer, or else chaos and confusion will ensue.
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by adding sub forum, what confusion & chaos will it cause to you to leave this forum?
anyway the poll result has the answer
I agree that this forum should include sections for non-HTC WM (and maybe android) devices.
I currently own a samsung jack and it, along with its predecessors - the blackjacks, are probably the most popular non-touchscreen WM phones. Yet they have no dedicated section.
Sever less popular phones on the other hand do have their own sections.
I see very little distinction between any WM phone manufacturers - the software is mostly what matters right?
And I would love it if my Jack had the kind of support my old Gene had around here.