Partly because I have damaged my Magician case slightly, and partly because I find the SPV M500 a lot more visually appealing, I'm curious whether they are actually the very same device with different casing, and if it would be possible to buy the M500 casing somewhere and pop my Jam into it.
Anyone else interested in doing this? Anyone know if it is possible?
For you who haven't seen the M500, msmobiles has a review of it.
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The design certainly is a matter of personal taste. I find the standard Jam/S100 design unfinished and also prefer the Orange version, so I am keeping an eye on this thread...
Placed side by side the orange version is slightly larger than the jam, so it may not work.
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Unfinished is definitely the right way to express it. It looks like an engineering sample to me.
I remember reading that somebody was able to order a new casing for the Jam. If that person may please step forward and explain how this was done, it might be a way to get hold of the M500 casing.
Or maybe somebody with an orange contract can contact them in the matter?
Firstly, however, somebody would need to disassemble their M500 so that we can compare its innards with the Jam. There are guides how to disassemble these devices in this forum.
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Hi LeSkip,
I also like this new look, but my problem is the accessories, have have several leather, silicone cases, and they are all made for Qtek,Imate,O2 mini, xda mini...
If you get to know where these hard cases come from, i'm sure you can ask them for a case...
I have no doubts that it is technically possible to switch the cover. We just need to replace the switches, styli and buttons too. Along with cases and such, of course, as has already been mentioned here. Not a big problem to me, but I see a few other issues, though:
1. Where to buy the M500 cover?
2. The price! It appears to me that no HTC cover has ever been cheap!
3. Once the Magician has been opened, all traces of your warranty is gone!
I think you can get the casings from your local HTC Service centres
rgds
Jim
According to the last post in this HowardForums thread they are the exakt same size.
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=624198
So far so good.
Skip
Everyone in the office just got new phones, most people chose D810 - Trinity. From the rate of broken styluses so far it seems we're going to need to order some soon. What's the best? Overall quality is more important than having a ballpoint. Search didn't turn up any obvious favorites. Links to sellers very much appreciated.
(Do NOT twist your original stylus. I wish I could say they snap like twigs but your average twig is considerably stronger!)
How the .... can you break them? they are really robust.
i need a white replacement also, i would like a original one if possible.
I lost one, and i want a spare stylus just in case.
could someone give some help on this, i just seem to find black one (and besides the color i dont know if they fit well..)
thanks
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Twist... as if you are trying to unscrew the top of the stylus. Not hard to do unintentionally if you are getting it out one handed.
I have these ones that have a ball point pen built in as well. They seem solid (they actually feel more solid that the original), the tip is not overly hard and it means you have a pen handy as well for the times you need on.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Stylus-Pen-f...192971QQihZ019QQcategoryZ133244QQcmdZViewItem
However I don't know if he has then in white, best to check with the seller.
When I bought them they took about 4 days to get to me in Sydney.
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I thought this as well when i originally looked at this thread. But yesterday I dropped my stylus, it landed on rocks from a height of around 4 foot and broke.
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We brought around 12 unit of Dopod D810, 11 unit black color and 1 white color.
Almost all black color D810 user broke their stylus.
Local Dopod service center allowed the stylus to be exchange within the warrenty period, but I believed Dopod won't re-engineer and redesign their stylus and will give us the same 'hightech' same quality stylus as replacement.
A simple drop from anywhere 1 feet above ground will break the stylus into two ..Arh! Is so frustrating .. Goash!
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I did a list of downsides for each (only in relation to each other).
Downsides of Kaiser:
- relatively Big and heavy.
Downsides of Touch Cruise: (from more worse to less worse)
- No cheap version (like AT&T's TILT - $500 USD).
- Insensitive touch screen.
- Bad reception on Bluetooth.
- Mediocre build quality (loose volume control, etc.)
- No hardware keyboard (becomes a bigger problem if the touch screen is insensitive).
- Smaller xda community (might change in the future).
It seems like the choice should be easy, but I just don't know how easy it will be for me to live with a 200 gram brick in my pocket...
As a former kaiser and now a polaris owner, I can say:
The Polaris is cheaper than the kaiser
the touch screen works just fine (same as with the tilt)
community for polaris & kaiser is almost the same
the polaris has more & newer functionality (applies to original rom)
As a former kaiser and now a polaris owner, I can say:
The Polaris is cheaper than the kaiser
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As I said, for the Kaiser there is the cheaper option of going with the AT&T TILT, which can be had NEW (with warranty) for $450-500 USD on ebay. The lowest price on ebay for which the Polaris can be bought is around $700 USD. That's a HUGE price difference, for two products which basically have similar functions and hardware.
the touch screen works just fine (same as with the tilt)
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I've read just too many posts from people with the Polaris saying the touch screen is insensitive. Are you saying it's a non issue and both the touch screen sensitivity of the Polaris is not worse than the Kaiser ? (it's important for me to hear it from someone who came from the Kaiser).
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I did a list of downsides for each (only in relation to each other).
Downsides of Kaiser:
- relatively Big and heavy.
Downsides of Touch Cruise: (from more worse to less worse)
- No cheap version (like AT&T's TILT - $500 USD).
- Insensitive touch screen.
- Bad reception on Bluetooth.
- Mediocre build quality (loose volume control, etc.)
- No hardware keyboard (becomes a bigger problem if the touch screen is insensitive).
- Smaller xda community (might change in the future).
It seems like the choice should be easy, but I just don't know how easy it will be for me to live with a 200 gram brick in my pocket...
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I had a kaiser for 1 month or 2 also then sold it because I realized I didn't use the hardware keyboard as much as I thought I did.
When I took the cruise out of the box I thought it was a fake phone because it is lighter then the kaiser (obviously) and my s730, hell, even lighter then my Motorola v60 I think! lol
Here was my mini list
Kaiser:
More mechanical components mean greater chances of something physically breaking/wearing down. I drop kaiser on the city bus, I am screwed!
jog wheel works fine, but it's a little loose sometimes too, like the cruise volume slider (this thing is almost useless at the moment unless I can "work it in")
The hard keys on the front are great, but on a lot of kaisers, they are loose. I had two kaisers, and both hard key face plates were loose. had to send the first one back because depending on how much the plate had slid, i couldn't go up or down with the d pad.
I really liked the touch keypad that i installed on the kaiser, but the buttons were harder to press with thumb in corners or a long the side cuz of the groove where the screen meets the casing.
Kaiser is around the same size, but just a lot thicker obviously.
Thoughts on the cruise so far;
Volume slider sucks ass, have to use my nail to move it. Luckily whatever i am listening to i can either use that REALLY cool dial pad/jog wheel thing. I set hat more than I used the kaiser jog wheel. Or I use my headset.
The screen is flush with the sides and tops of the casing, so hitting buttons on the corners or sides are no problem, but if you have a case then it's the same as having a kaiser.
About the insensitive screen. I have to agree with you on that somewhat. With the kaiser, it looks like what's there is just the screen. But with the cruise, it looks like the screen is underneath another layer of something. This is how we have the flush face with the cruise, there is something else over the screen that the kaiser does not(i don't think at last) have. sometimes if you press hard enough (which you shouldn't have to do ) you can feel your thumb hit the "second screen" (the actual lcd), not the thing that we actually touch on top). It's hard to explain clearly
I have sensitives on very high using kaisertweak and playing with reg keys. I've got it pretty close to sensitivity of kaiser now. I do notice with cube i have to press a little hard to OPEN it, but not left or right or close it. kind of weird.
It's true about the communities, it is a little small right now, but also I think tytn i had abig following so it's natural tytn II would now also. but again, cruise and tytn ii are pretty much the same inside.
I bought my cruise for 699 Canadian, new.
The radio is really cool too (amazing, for such a high tech modern device, something as old school as an FM radio is what really impresses me.. lol)
Another gripe so far about cruise is that i dont know if its the rom i am using, or if its all roms, or if it's the extra layer over the screen, is that when I am typing out a message, with ANY keyboard, but ONLY in the messaging application, i get no feedback from the keys. Nothing highlights if i press it quickly. The letter appears, which is great, but i don't see any of the keys being highlighted unless i hold onto it longer. This could be the rom id downloaded, but i tried on 2 roms I think, and it might have even been like this on the original rom too, I can't remember. I am still trying to figure it out. But visual key feedback is very important to me. I didn't have that problem with the touch keyboard installed on the kaiser. I think I'll do some more testing on that tonight actually.
A few other things.. haha, on a roll.
With the Kaiser.. I noticed that the way I hold it with one had, my pointing finger woudl ALWAYS land on the damn camera lens because the lens is on the top half of the casing the back. Pretty annoying to obsessively clean that lens. With the cruise, the main camera is in the middle, and my finger does not touch it
I do admit the Kaiser is nicer to actually hold because of the rounder corners and it's thickness. If fits in the hand better.
The cruise has more of a rectangular/pointy shape. It takes a little getting use to but I didn't really notice the difference until today. Also, depends on how you hold it i guess.
Kaiser (i've never owned one, although I have a Hermes)too thick....looks dated (very shallow statement..I know)
Polaris..I've never had a problem with the touch screen...barring ofcourse when you try to select a different SIP from the taskbar.
The PocketCM keyboard is one the best touch software around...very intellegent...I was never a texter..but with this keyboard I very rarely have to backtrack my typing...and in general touch software is only going to get better.
besides IMVPO I dont like thick pullout keypads....
Just my 2 pence worth...
briggs81,
Thank you for your words.
From what you say I think I'll go with the TILT. I simply can't justify paying $200 USD more for the cruise. If they were both at the same price, I would have taken the cruise with its faults, but the price difference is the last straw.
In the following year I'm sure lots of great devices wil come out, including probably HTC devices with proper video drivers. We should always be ready to upgrade, and I don't feel the cruise is such a good investment at this time (if you're on a budget, that is).
Screen insensitive??? Lol, with the right tweak the screen is to sensitive haha...mine is quick and very alert for touches.
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Screen insensitive??? Lol, with the right tweak the screen is to sensitive haha...mine is quick and very alert for touches.
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Maybe on your device, and in your opinion. No point in laughing.
Don't know about everyone else, but my screen is extremely sensitive, it has never missed a tap EVER. FYI, I roll w/o a screen protector (they ruin the look too much imo but I always keep the phone in its suede case when not in use). BTW, Kaiser is really a brick compared to the Polaris, and the polaris is pretty much a one handed phone for me whereas the Kaiser is definitely not, furthermore as far as looks there is really no competition. However, if you need the keyboard Kaiser is clearly the only choice. I emphasize need, bc you will most likely find that you get along just fine with the onscreen touch keyboard.
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Maybe on your device, and in your opinion. No point in laughing.
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No... this is true. There is not any touch-sensitivity problems with Polaris as it can easily (very easily) can be improved with some registry tweaks.
I own one of the first Touch Cruises (first one reported here in the Forum) and I also have a Kaiser for conducting an end-user custom ROM review. I am free to put my sim card in either device, but it always ends up in the Cruise. I have to force myself to keep the Kaiser active for any time over a few hours.
With the Kaiser custom ROM, I have all of the TouchFlo interface features as the Cruise. I have never perceived a problem with the screen sensitivity on the Cruise. To the contrary, I have more struggles with the Kaiser and most often, I find the landscape/portrait getting out of sync due to accidentally nudging the screen slider on then back off before the swap has time to apply. If you're bothered by the pointy corners on the Cruise, get the Orbit II but this is really only cosmetics. For me I have no issues with the volume slider on the Crusie. The scroll wheel is kind of free and easy, but for the limited number of times I've ever needed to use it, it works fine. I think you can tell which device I prefer. For me, even if it were $200-$250 less for the AT&T Tilt, I don't like it sitting side by side with the Cruise.
Indeed you can edit the registry setting for the sensitivity of the screen, although it is not needed (atleast for me).
I find it strange that you have to pay 200 dollars more for a cruise then a kaiser.
A kaiser here costs around 670 euro, the cruise costs about 500 euro
Also the pictures I am taking have far more better quality then on the kaiser.
Maybe my lense on the kaiser wasnt clean enough, i don't know.
But as said before here, the position of the camera is way better then on the kaiser. No more fears for dirty fingers on the lense
I switched from kaiser to touch cruise and until now i hadnt have one moment of regret
Damn it guys, you are making this decision harder for me
Regarding the screen of the touch cruise, how can you protect it if it's on the same plane with the sides of the device, I mean, how will the screen protector stay in one place and not move ?
I find it strange that you have to pay 200 dollars more for a cruise then a kaiser.
A kaiser here costs around 670 euro, the cruise costs about 500 euro
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That's because you don't have the AT&T TILT version of the Kaiser in europe.
Regarding the screen of the touch cruise, how can you protect it if it's on the same plane with the sides of the device, I mean, how will the screen protector stay in one place and not move ?
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The TC comes with a screen protector which sticks to the screen via adhesive (I haven't put it on though as I'm careful with the phone and keep it in its oem suede/microfiber case when I'm not on the phone).
BTW, I was actually in a position to get the ATT Tilt for just $100 after rebates and discounts...I still chose the Touch Cruise as its ridiculously better looking and a lot more usable for me as the flush screen paired w/Touch Flo allows for one handed usage (one-handed usage is key for me, esp as I'm a former Smartphone user).
FYI: I did pick up another smartphone from ATT to sell on eBay so that I could in a way subsidize the cost of the Polaris.
on tuch cruise screen sensitivity for finger, not for stylus. so its easy for finger & hard for stylus.
The TC comes with a screen protector which sticks to the screen via adhesive (I haven't put it on though as I'm careful with the phone and keep it in its oem suede/microfiber case when I'm not on the phone).
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But can't it still catch a scratch from the stylus ?, is the screen of the touch cruise less prone to scratches ? (like the Iphone)
Also, using adhesive will destroy the look of the phone, no ?, and how will you take it off if you want without leaving residue ?
on tuch cruise screen sensitivity is for finger, not for stylus. so its easy for finger & hard for stylus.
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Really, it will be easier using a stylus with the Kaiser than with the Cuise ?, a lot of software is still for stylus only...
I have never found a need for using a screen protector on any of my devices. As they have been passed down through my teenage sons, they too have learned proper care and use of the screens. With the Cruise, I definitely don't like to prospect of having a 'sticker' on the face if it. Just learn how to properly care for and use your screen and it will last.
I have never found a need for using a screen protector on any of my devices. As they have been passed down through my teenage sons, they too have learned proper care and use of the screens. With the Cruise, I definitely don't like to prospect of having a 'sticker' on the face if it. Just learn how to properly care for and use your screen and it will last.
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I intend to put the phone in my jean's pocket (without anything else) with the screen toward the leg.
Could this thing cause a problem ?
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on tuch cruise screen sensitivity for finger, not for stylus. so its easy for finger & hard for stylus.
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I don't have this issue, its easy for me to use my finger just as it is easy to use the stylus. Both require very little pressure. I did use a Kaiser in a shop once, and it actually required a lot of pressure (prob due screen protector they had installed on it).
I intend to put the phone in my jean's pocket (without anything else) with the screen toward the leg.
Could this thing cause a problem ?
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I wouldn't think so.... but I would still use the oem suede/microfiber sheath, as its extremely thin and doesn't add to the bulk of the device, but protects it from lint, and any inadverdent scratches just in case something happens to already be in your pocket.
But can't it still catch a scratch from the stylus ?, is the screen of the touch cruise less prone to scratches ? (like the Iphone)
Also, using adhesive will destroy the look of the phone, no ?, and how will you take it off if you want without leaving residue ?
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The screen seems very resistant to scratches from the stylus and the stylus glides across the screen without any resistance. In fact, you got me curious and I applied a moderate amount of strength to the stylus just to see and its still smooth as silk without any scratching.
As far as the adhesive from the screen protector, my guess is that this is a non-issue. I don't use screen protectors as they tend to look kind of cheap, but I'd imagine if it did leave any residue behind, it could be cleaned up fairly easily.
I was looking at the Wiki that's been setup for the Raphael, and I noticed there are two "editions" of the Raphael. One of them has the diamondesque battery cover with all the angles, and the other seems to have a rounder, smoother panel.
Here's the link (The first post is has the pictures, Front and Back)
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Raphael
Now, I REALLY like the Raphael. My brother's got one and I'll be getting one in a couple of weeks or so. BUT, I hate the back panel that I've seen on all the Raphaels todate, which is the Angular one.
This rounded cover appeals to me, but I haven't seen it anywhere else? Is this still an HTC Touch Pro? Is it an OEM version? Is it possible to buy that cover individually so I can replace a standard angular one?
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That looks like one of the rebrand back covers for the Diamond. I think the wiki author got it mixed up or something.
Its clearly a Diamond back cover because it has no place for a flash light.
Im guessing its a Tmobile styled rebrand because of the rounder top bottom and side.
But i do agree i prefer this smooth style of back plate over the diamondesc backplate.
Its a good bet that custom back panels will be developed at some point by a third party.
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Its clearly a Diamond back cover because it has no place for a flash light.
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Damn good observation. I hadn't noticed that. So I can take solace in the fact that there's probably no lucky guy out there with a Touch Pro with that back panel, unless he exchanged it with a Diamond (I wonder if it would fit...).
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Most probably too late to be of any real use, since the typically pouch life of a phone these days is 9 to 12 months max.
Eh yeah. It is a diamond panel.
Raphael says 3.2 megapixel
The other cover says 3.1
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Most probably too late to be of any real use, since the typically pouch life of a phone these days is 9 to 12 months max.
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Speak for yourself im looking at a 18-24 month contract
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Speak for yourself im looking at a 18-24 month contract
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You'll be drooling over other phones in half that time
O2's Raphael in Germany (O2 Xda diamond pro) has a smooth back panel.. http://www.theunwired.net/index.php?item=photoview-hands-on-with-the-o2-xda-diamond-pro-windows-mobile-smartphone
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O2's Raphael in Germany (O2 Xda diamond pro) has a smooth back panel.. http://www.theunwired.net/index.php?item=photoview-hands-on-with-the-o2-xda-diamond-pro-windows-mobile-smartphone
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Looks like the O2 Branded Raphael is going to have the smooth back panel, but it doesn't look as nice as the Diamond one.
Does anyone know the specs of the phone, are they the same? Does it come in white? Is there anything extra about the phone but being unlocked? Does it still have a camera? From the pics I have seen it looks like the camera area is covered up. thanks
looks like it has a camera to me. I can't see any reason why they'd make the specs anything other than identical to the G1
its the same phone, same hardware, has the engineering SPL obviously and has that cool looking design on the back cover. That's pretty much it.
So in essence someone hopefully will come out with are hardware unlock for the phone. and it will be the same thing. I think I will just get a white one off ebay. I can get it for under 400 and no tax. I think I will have to do that. I do like that back cover, but I think the white looks more slick.
dev G1 back cover
Everybody seems to love that cover, id bet they wish they had used that graphic on the stock G1s, I like it also...
If somebody who has the power to do so is listening, those backs would sell like hot cakes, or somebody in china or HK can knock off a quality unit id by 1 however or whomever, I just wanna look like a cool G1 dude. Even tho the last thing I coded had a last line sumthin like "15 goto 1"
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