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Noobie Hard spl question

NOt sure if this is in the right topic, but its slightly rom related.
Can someone please help a noob
I cid unlocked my phone following the topic
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375583.
all worked well, tried a couple of roms and settled on
L26 WM 6.1 Professional WWE V6a (MMS and JAVA updated) rom, seems to be working ok, certainly all my apps work.
However like a typical noob I missed out on some important reading about hard spl and how it can protect my phone from a bad flash.
Now that I've done all of the above, is it too late to go back and protect my phone with hard spl?
SPL -1.0. Olipof
thanks in advance

I think that's done automatically when you flash hard spl.
(someone correct me if i'm wrong please)

step one in that unlocker would have flashed hardspl on your device, if u skipped it then no, its not too late, you can still do it now

XtreMe_G said:
step one in that unlocker would have flashed hardspl on your device, if u skipped it then no, its not too late, you can still do it now
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No i didnt skip step one, so I guess I'm covered.
Guys thanks for the help, much appreciated!

Just go into bootloader mode (power button + camera button + reset). If the screen shows SPL-1.0.OliPof then you are ok. If not then just reflash hardSPL.

SPL-1.0.OliPof is there in bootloader.
thanks for the help guys.!

Hard SPL

i was thinking the other day and came to wonder about hard SPL. we always stress to the n00bs that it is very VERY VERY important, but then i noticed that the htc rom tool in the kaiser kitchen has a place to build an spl into the rom. can't we just put the spl from hard spl into the rom tool on all of our cooked roms and save everyone a step later? i wasn't sure who to ask and i don't have a kaiser without hard spl with which to test this so i am asking anyone who can answer sorry if i'm not seeing why this can't be done

I think you've forgotten something.
HardSPL is needed to be able to flash your device. So even if HardSPL is baked into a custom ROM, it wouldn't matter. HardSPL has to be installed first, no matter what. Not having HardSPL installed would prevent you from flashing a ROM.
Luckily installing HardSPL ins't really that hard.

meschle's Artemis ROM's have two batch files.
#1 for HardSPL
And
#2 for the CustomRRU.
So First time flashers can't really go wrong.
Ta
Dave

Yeah but hard SPL does not always work the same way. Some get white screen. I got 3 devieces. All 3 original TyTN II's. First one (my first deviece) flashed spl easly. But the other 2 deviece were getting white screen. Finaly I managed to Hard SPl it but in a other way.

xmoo said:
Yeah but hard SPL does not always work the same way. Some get white screen. I got 3 devieces. All 3 original TyTN II's. First one (my first deviece) flashed spl easly. But the other 2 deviece were getting white screen. Finaly I managed to Hard SPl it but in a other way.
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Good point, I forgot that.
Dave

Jocky HardSPL etc

OK please don't flame me as I am going round and round in circles jumping from one thread link to another trying to get to grips with this stuff!
OK...
The other day I tried to install the hardspl and got the white screen problem.
I followed the thread to sort that out and all appeard ok and the phone continued to work OK under HTC stock 6.1
Yesterday I flashed L26_Kaiser_Diamond_V8_light release and have been playing around with it trying to sort stuff out.
I then started reading the thread about ultimate radios and trying to work out what other radios work with this ROM and how I go about installing them and read I need to confirm the spl I am on and so did the hold camera button and reset to see the spl version.
It says the following:
KAIS130 MFG
SPL-1.0.0liPof
CPLD-8
Now from what I understand it should say SPL-3.2X or similar?
But it does not?
I thought that I needed the SPL-3.2X etc in order to flash cooked ROMS but it looks like I dont have that......so how was I able to flask L26_Kaiser_Diamond_V8_light release ?
Thanks

pachjo said:
OK please don't flame me as I am going round and round in circles jumping from one thread link to another trying to get to grips with this stuff!
OK...
The other day I tried to install the hardspl and got the white screen problem.
I followed the thread to sort that out and all appeard ok and the phone continued to work OK under HTC stock 6.1
Yesterday I flashed L26_Kaiser_Diamond_V8_light release and have been playing around with it trying to sort stuff out.
I then started reading the thread about ultimate radios and trying to work out what other radios work with this ROM and how I go about installing them and read I need to confirm the spl I am on and so did the hold camera button and reset to see the spl version.
It says the following:
KAIS130 MFG
SPL-1.0.0liPof
CPLD-8
Now from what I understand it should say SPL-3.2X or similar?
But it does not?
I thought that I needed the SPL-3.2X etc in order to flash cooked ROMS but it looks like I dont have that......so how was I able to flask L26_Kaiser_Diamond_V8_light release ?
Thanks
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Read the SQL Questions thread in the Wiki. It will explain a lot of this to you.
In short, any HardSPL will allow you to flash, it's just the 3.* ones are more compatable with the latest WM6.1 builds.
EDIT:
Normally I'd flame you for this, but Im already flaming another noob atm That doesn't mean someone else wont flame you later.
Ta
Dave

pachjo said:
OK please don't flame me as I am going round and round in circles jumping from one thread link to another trying to get to grips with this stuff!
OK...
The other day I tried to install the hardspl and got the white screen problem.
I followed the thread to sort that out and all appeard ok and the phone continued to work OK under HTC stock 6.1
Yesterday I flashed L26_Kaiser_Diamond_V8_light release and have been playing around with it trying to sort stuff out.
I then started reading the thread about ultimate radios and trying to work out what other radios work with this ROM and how I go about installing them and read I need to confirm the spl I am on and so did the hold camera button and reset to see the spl version.
It says the following:
KAIS130 MFG
SPL-1.0.0liPof
CPLD-8
Now from what I understand it should say SPL-3.2X or similar?
But it does not?
I thought that I needed the SPL-3.2X etc in order to flash cooked ROMS but it looks like I dont have that......so how was I able to flask L26_Kaiser_Diamond_V8_light release ?
Thanks
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If you are able to flash a ROM onto your device, then you must have an UNLOCKED phone. For simple instructions on upgrading to the new SPL I suggest you visit the following :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398565&highlight=step
Good luck.

Well I am sure I am gonna get flamed for this post, but here goes....
BTW "I AM NOT MOANING OR PICKING FOR AN ARGUMENT" I know this info here is given as is and appreciate the time people spend putting it all together
For the noob there is a trillion things to read here all of which lead to another trillion things which lead to ......
This phone flashing is all new to me and as I paid £434 for it I dont want to brick it, a term along with many I have never heard of before coming here.
I digress...
Anyway after reading and trying to understand it all I have flashed my phone and it works a treat and I am happy, just still in the dark about many things.
The thing is as a noob it is extremely daunting to start to read a thread, wiki etc to try to understand about a topic which diverts you to threads which divert, divert, divert so that after 3-4 diversions you foget what it was you were readiing about to start with!
And then you get to the point....I dont understand this...should I post lest I get flamed.......
So basically from a noobs point of view....everyone was a noob at some point, be gentle with us!
OK.....let the pachjo bash commence...........

Not a flame, just my way of working...
You raise some good points about the amount of info here. But like most here I managed to flash my device without posting a single new thread. If I had a problem with a step I posted there.
_Alex_ has consolodated most info into the single sticky. And there are step by step guides and FAQs on the Wiki.
I just took it one topic at a time:
*Found a ROM, said I needed HardSPL.
*Found HardSPL, installed it.
*Flashed ROM.
*No sound, found thread explaining about Radios. Flashed Radio.
*and so on.
I was (and still do) always reading thread that I found related to me learning as I go and helping where I can. I too like you knew nothing when I first joined and no one minds "noobs" asking questions in the relevant threads when they get stuck, but this is ROM development forum. All new threads should pertain to ROM "development".
Ta
Dave

you must use (aka JumpSPL )file before changing the SPL
this jumber must be in your device before flashing the new hard SPL
see hare and read carefuly :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396922
got it from here also
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354061
cheers

Thanks guys.....am reading away and will take onboard your comments

first off, you can flash any rom with the olipof hardspl 1.0. the problem is, you will get screen freezes every once in a while. Using jumpspl, you can go to another hardspl. Usually jumpspl is included in all the new hardspls, but maybe not. Get familiar with what jumpspl is and then switch to hardspl.

thomassster said:
first off, you can flash any rom with the olipof hardspl 1.0. the problem is, you will get screen freezes every once in a while. Using jumpspl, you can go to another hardspl. Usually jumpspl is included in all the new hardspls, but maybe not. Get familiar with what jumpspl is and then switch to hardspl.
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Yep... I shall do that!
I have gone flash crazy as I am now gonna whack on L26_KaiserDiamond_V9
I am amazed at how fast my apps are loading now I am no longer on the stock ROM!
The phone reception is better, the SRS WOW is fandabbydosey its all good for me, and I have fixed (well found the solution to at least one of my gliches also)

What are SSPL, HSPL and Radio?

I swear I have used the Search tool, but lots of topics have HSPL in their title, and I weren't able to find any FAQ topic talking about that.
Everybody here talks about SSPL, HSPL, how to use them and so on. The only think I understood is that to flash custom roms you need HSPL, and for official roms SSPL is "enough". Could anybody tell me something more and explain me why do we need this stuff to flash a rom and not just run a .exe on the device which could do everything automatically?
I also didn't understand what the Radio is. I thought a part of the rom which manages the GSM/3G antenna, but I think I am wrong.
Thank you in advance

Black Antitoon said:
I swear I have used the Search tool, but lots of topics have HSPL in their title, and I weren't able to find any FAQ topic talking about that.
Everybody here talks about SSPL, HSPL, how to use them and so on. The only think I understood is that to flash custom roms you need HSPL, and for official roms SSPL is "enough". Could anybody tell me something more and explain me why do we need this stuff to flash a rom and not just run a .exe on the device which could do everything automatically?
I also didn't understand what the Radio is. I thought a part of the rom which manages the GSM/3G antenna, but I think I am wrong.
Thank you in advance
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okay
spl = Secondary Program Loader. Think of this in the same sense as bios on a pc. (it sets where your system boots from, intialises sub system process etc)
sspl = soft spl (this allows you to flash another spl or hardspl).
hardspl = hard spl .. basically it allows flashing of any rom. It protects you from bricking your device. If you have a bad flash it just forces the phone to load into bootloader, from where you can flash another rom using pc or storage card to get your phone working again. Using a hardspl you can flash any carrier rom without cid unlocking your device first.
Radio = you are correct about your assumption as to what a radio does .
Now if you are flashing your carriers official rom than you don't need any of this stuff but different carriers set their cid in their roms so only phones that have their cid can flash those roms ... now if you like the wwe htc rom and want to flash it onto the tilt you will first need to hardspl your device or otherwise you won't be able to flash the rom ... it will time out with an error telling you invalid vendor id.

Many thanks! Now it is much clearer! Just one more question: why do people care so much for the radio and post their radio version to their signature? Is the radio revision so important? Why is it not just part of the rom?
Thanks again!

Black Antitoon said:
Many thanks! Now it is much clearer! Just one more question: why do people care so much for the radio and post their radio version to their signature? Is the radio revision so important? Why is it not just part of the rom?
Thanks again!
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well radio is definitely important ... i mean if you have a uncompatible radio you will loose sound, camera, connection etc on your phone. Reason people list the radio they are using is basically to let others know what radio is working for them on the rom they have. This way if someone else doesn't know which radio to use with the rom than can use the radio they have listed. Radios are location dependant. Some radios give better reception here in states while others give better reception somewhere else in the world.
Most of the time chefs will include a radio with their rom, but some leave it out so you can choose the one that works best for you. Just a keynote to keep in mind when selecting radios is that wm6.1 roms need wm6.1 radios and wm6 roms need wm6 radios. Also DO NOT flash a radio that is intended for another device i.e a rapheal radio onto a kaiser (this will brick your device). There are exceptions to this rule. Also you should get your phone security unlocked before proceeding with flashing various kinds of radios. This will save you from getting stuck with a radio that locks itself to the device (thus rendering itself unchangeable; no matter how many times you flash another radio you will be stuck with that radio) an example of this is "the radio from hell" which alot of people in the kaiser forum got stuck with and weren't able to get rid of it until "FrankenKaiser" came along.
Hope this helps.

Thank you, it does.
Another term I read is Jump SPL. What's that?

Some poeple encounter problems trying to flash hardspl, Jump spl "jump starts" the process.
(problems like the kaiser white screen issue here)

Ok, thank you all.
Now I only have to wait for the Blackstone Hard SPL.

Black Antitoon said:
Ok, thank you all.
Now I only have to wait for the Blackstone Hard SPL.
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aren't we all ... hold tight though they are close to getting it done.

How do you know that? In the placeholder topic there has been no update about the development status since a while.

WOW!!
Just wanted to say a HUGE thank you to thesire and joel2009 for being so extremely nice to a newbie!!! This is probably one of the first posts I have seen where a newbie doesn't get their head bitten off for asking a question. (I don't think I've ever asked a question for that very reason! LOL)
I was searching for the answer to 'what is SSPL' because I couldn't find it in the Wiki acronyms section. What a pleasant surprise! Sorry if this steers away from the topic but I just could NOT pass over this thread without saying THANKS!!!!!!!!

You wont get flamed for asking Questions in this Forum
as for the Acronyms, try here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=265
more here : http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=FAQ#techicalJargon
my friends, you need to master the art of searching

So I actually risked to find my skin burnt by the flame?
I didn't even know that there was a wiki/knowledge base here. Well, I actually felt somthing like that, but I completely forgot about that when searching. I searched carefully indeed, but only in the forum, and since lots of topics contain the words SPL, HSPL and so on, I was unable to find relevant results.
I'll look there next time, thank you all again.

missbizzylizzy said:
Just wanted to say a HUGE thank you to thesire and joel2009 for being so extremely nice to a newbie!!! This is probably one of the first posts I have seen where a newbie doesn't get their head bitten off for asking a question. (I don't think I've ever asked a question for that very reason! LOL)
I was searching for the answer to 'what is SSPL' because I couldn't find it in the Wiki acronyms section. What a pleasant surprise! Sorry if this steers away from the topic but I just could NOT pass over this thread without saying THANKS!!!!!!!!
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hahaha.... why do you think i finally posted my first post after joining for 2 years. I just didn't want to tick someone off
Now i finally understood the term "SSPL & HSPL"!

how to find original SPL FOR HD2
Does anyone know where to fin dthe original 2.10 spl for hd2 so i can return it ?

Unlocking/CID/SPL

Okay, im really confused after reading all these threads
i used to have a kaiser (but it turnt out to be faulty) and managed to flash hardspl, flash new roms (had wizard, hermes and raphael and flashed all those too) so i'm not a newbie to flashing however im a tad confused about all the new hardspl (jwocky) etc and jumpspl? can someone just give a quick summary about what to do and why it has changed from the ordinary hardspl? as i am looking at buying another kaiser
thank you ever so much

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kingsizeriz said:
Okay, im really confused after reading all these threads
i used to have a kaiser (but it turnt out to be faulty) and managed to flash hardspl, flash new roms (had wizard, hermes and raphael and flashed all those too) so i'm not a newbie to flashing however im a tad confused about all the new hardspl (jwocky) etc and jumpspl? can someone just give a quick summary about what to do and why it has changed from the ordinary hardspl? as i am looking at buying another kaiser
thank you ever so much
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I think most of the info, and donwload links that you're looking for are at the following link below. Hope that helps you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=498320

i did read that but still wasnt sure about it all, maybe im getting older (by 5 months haha).
what is jump spl used for? and why has it all changed from a few months ago!?

HardSPL
kingsizeriz said:
i did read that but still wasnt sure about it all, maybe im getting older (by 5 months haha).
what is jump spl used for? and why has it all changed from a few months ago!?
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I don't believe anything has changed in regards to installing a HardSPL to a phone. I've been following the same procedures for the last year or two. The Jump Spl files are used when changing / updating your HardSPL via ActiveSync (the only way I do it). Following the instructions on the thread below works like a charm, I've never had a problem. The instructions say HardSPL v3.29, but you can use any of the current HardSPL's just the same.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=433835

Fair enough, as im used to just hardspl'ing the device rather than jumpspl then hardspl.. will do it by the book though when i get my new one (if i manage to sell my poxy blackberry!!!)

All the SPL types are on the SPL Questions wiki page in detail, so I'll save myself repeating.
The reason for the 1.* and 3.* different SPL versions is for WM 6.0 and 6.1 respectivly.
See my Hard SPL sticky for another breif overview.
Dave